15 Jan 2018 19:33:57
ML: JVR, Kapanen, Sosh,2rd pick2018

Car: Faulk

1.) 15 Jan 2018
15 Jan 2018 21:16:54
JVR = UFA so he has next to no value other than perhaps the traditional trade deadline 2nd round pick for his rental services.
If he had some term on his contract left, the deal would stand a better chance of being considered.

2.) 15 Jan 2018
15 Jan 2018 21:27:30
Too much maybe jvr and Sosh would be enough.

3.) 15 Jan 2018
15 Jan 2018 22:18:35
You're joking AO99, right? Please say you're joking.

4.) 15 Jan 2018
15 Jan 2018 22:50:55
Lolllll no they arent.

5.) 15 Jan 2018
15 Jan 2018 22:53:05
Unless JVR will sign in Carolina I don’t know if they’d ask for him if they are trading Faulk. going to want a forward (preferably centerman) to be locked up and have atleast some term.

6.) 16 Jan 2018
15 Jan 2018 23:54:09
Too much from T.O.

7.) 16 Jan 2018
16 Jan 2018 00:16:47
Not saying that this is a good trade for either team but saying JVR has next to no value because he’s a UFA is dead wrong. Maybe like mcjesus said, he’s not the right fit for this trade, but a guy that’s a consistent 28-30 goal scoring winger, with size and playoff experience (and on pace for his highest goal total of his career) will get a 2nd round pick as a deadline rental? Lol wake up. Roman Polak got 2 2nds as a bottom pair rental, Daniel winnik got a good prospect (Connor carrick and a 2nd) as a 4th line rental. If they want to move him, he’s worth a prospect and a 1st round pick like Evander Kane will fetch and what patches would fetch this time next year if he’s still a hab.

8.) 16 Jan 2018
16 Jan 2018 00:32:58
I mean let’s just say jvr signs for 6x6 Carolina is getting a 30 goal 30 assist man and that would be very good for them.

9.) 16 Jan 2018
16 Jan 2018 02:05:36
AO99 let's just say Carolina just simply signs him to that in the off season and not just give away Faulk.
How about E. Kane, Jake McCabe for Morgan Reilly. Leafs sign Kane. See how stupid that sounds now?

10.) 16 Jan 2018
16 Jan 2018 02:06:13
Them signing JVR would be good for them.
Them trading Faulk for him would be absolutely retarded.

11.) 16 Jan 2018
16 Jan 2018 14:07:10
@yup, I wouldn’t say it’s ‘absolutely retarded’ they aren’t trading Faulk for JVR straight up. It’s known they’re going after offense, if they’re going to try to sign a guy like him in the offseason anyway and are stacked with young D on long contracts, they can afford to lose Faulk. They’re not trading him 1 for 1, they’re also getting a real good prospect in kapanen, a depth forward with some upside in soshnikov and a second round pick. They’re 4 pts out of a divisional playoff spot and 2 pts out of a wildcard spot and have a new owner that took over just a week ago. He would love to make a run and have early success i'm sure. If you deal from your deepest position to add what you really need and get a few futures with it, I don’t see how it’s retarded, but we don’t see eye to eye on a lot apparently.

12.) 16 Jan 2018
16 Jan 2018 14:14:38
Not to mention how many multi year UFA signings are regretted by their team within months of deal (see David Clarkson, Milan Lucic, Dave Bolland, Kris Russel, Karl Alzner), the opportunity to ‘test drive’ a guy like JVR to see his fit with your team, coaches and system before committing 6-7 years and 40 mill should be worth something on its own.

13.) 16 Jan 2018
16 Jan 2018 16:33:45
Lol. You did well in dressing that one up hey.
This deal would be absolutely retarded by Carolina.

14.) 16 Jan 2018
16 Jan 2018 17:30:05
Okay lol a really good D with term (from a team loaded with D) for a really good winger as a rental with a chance to resign, a good prospect, pick and another cheap player is awful. I never said it’s a great deal either way, but there has been thousands of proposals from lots of people here that make far less sense for one or both teams.

15.) 16 Jan 2018
16 Jan 2018 17:33:42
I can't tell you the Oilers did not regret the Lucic and Russell signing within months of singing it. Not sure why you brought that up.
Maybe years down the road but not months.
Why do you keep bringing up Lucic when Eriksson, Ladd, Backes were basically the same UFA signings, same time. This three one year older. And Lucic is putting up the best points. But hey, you're just a hater, I understand. Why would you bring up camparables that make his deal look good! Lol
Russel is a good #4 D man who leads the league in block shots. Those guys make $4M a year. Some #4 D men make more!

They were sure hoping for more from Alzner that's for sure. He should have been same deal as Russell.

But hey, trading Faulk for a UFA you're arguing has value cause they would resign him and some other prospect wingers. Is just hilarious. Why don't they just not give you Faulk. And go after JVR in the summer for free! Way smarter. Don't dress it up man. It's retarded.

16.) 16 Jan 2018
16 Jan 2018 18:26:15
Those were just signings that came to mind. You’re exactly right that Eriksson, ladd and Backes are in the same boat. Sorry for not mentioning them. I wasn’t picking on your precious oilers, also had a hab player in there, a panther and one of my own leafs lol.

17.) 16 Jan 2018
16 Jan 2018 18:38:28
And I’m not an oilers hater at all. I have defended oilers in many bad proposals. I have praised RNH when guys put him down on here or lowballed on him. I like a lot of the oilers players. But calling the Lucic signing bad is picking on the oilers? No, it’s common sense. I've seen lots of bad signings over the years on the leafs and have no problem saying it. luckily we haven’t had them with the newest management, oilers have. Deal with it.

18.) 16 Jan 2018
16 Jan 2018 18:45:17
Backes has 1 less goal, 11 less points in 21 less games coming back from colon and intestinal surgery than lucic does this season. I’d say he’s pretty equal, if not doing better. And helping his team make the playoffs. But I’m sure that’s mean to say too.

19.) 16 Jan 2018
16 Jan 2018 19:21:42
And obviously teams would rather sign a UFA, getvthe player they want and not give up assets in a lot of cases, but sometimes they want the player for that year too. There’s a number of reasons they do it, that you don’t seem to understand.

It gives them a player they need this year

It gives them exclusive rights for the next 5 months to talk

It gives them the option of having a lower AAV by offering the player an 8th year

It gives them a player who is worth 6.5 mill for 4.25 mill prorated for this season.

I’m sure if a team trades for Tavares this year, gets to add a player like him for 5.5 mill cap, which is very easy to do at the deadline, that’s ‘retarded too’ they should have just not tried this year, and battled with 20 teams in July.

20.) 16 Jan 2018
16 Jan 2018 19:28:03
So if Lucic is a bad signing so is Backes.
And I don't think either them are.
I've always always said Lucic is worth $6M but not that term he got. That's where the over paid a little. But to say they regretted that signing months after is so so so far off its funny. Maybe years down the road. But he's putting up solid numbers, nothing crazy and def nothing terrible and playing a great role on the team with his style of play. Backes is doing good as well now that Boston is performing so well. 16 of the last 17 points or something. They are the hottest team in the league and could make a splash at deadline too.

21.) 16 Jan 2018
16 Jan 2018 20:53:33
I agree, I already said Backes is in the same boat as lucic. Teams get so hyped up for one day and want a player so bad for right now that they give this massive term just because someone else would have. All those contracts you and I both named are very similar because it’s not the dollar amount, it’s the term. You look back and say, we are going to be paying (insert Backes, lucic, Ladd etc here) for 3+ ineffective years because we wanted him so bad for now. When in reality these guys are 45-50 pt players now and you could have found guys that do what they do, put up numbers close to that and would have signed for a year or maybe 2. So 2-3 months into the first season there, when lucic wasn’t able to play with mcdavid and they replaced him with a guy making less than half as much with 3 or 4 years less on his deal, you can’t tell me they didn’t look at that as a mistake. When he signed, they hoped he was Mcdavids winger for the bulk of that contract. Not be 11th or 12th In ice time on the team, 5th among forwards. No one gives guys 7 year commitments for that.

22.) 16 Jan 2018
16 Jan 2018 22:52:02
Maroon is similar size, similar playing style, same position, has very similar numbers in the 2 seasons since lucic got there, 3 years at 2mill instead of 7 years at 6 million with front loaded signing bonuses and NMC, and a buyout hit till 2028. Yeah it’s not a bad contract, silly me just picking on your friend PC.