07 Aug 2018 02:48:57
What do you think. Leafs 1st rounder going to be low IMO.

Most low firsts similar to high 2nds.

Gardiner+1st 2019

Faulk

Toronto gains an extra year of conteol on faulk that they wouldn't have on Gardiner. after this season Gardiner is going to be asking for 6years around 6milper. Which Toronto Cannot do. Carolina can. that immediately saves toronto around 1.2 mil off the top on next years cap where mattews . marners . and nylanders contracts are all active.

They can then Pair Faulk with Reilly on the. top pairing finally take Hainey get him qith carrick lr zaitsev on the 2nd or 3rd pair.

thoughts?

1.) 07 Aug 2018
07 Aug 2018 05:16:54
All depends how leafs view Dermotts readiness for a bigger role. Right now Rielly and Gards on the left and only zaitsev as a natural RHD in the top 4. So this shifts that problem form R to L. If dermott steps up to take Gardiners spot which is possible, then it helps. But to be honest, Faulk isn’t the guy we need. He’s an upgrade on the RS, but I’d rather a really solid 2 way or just defensive guy to be Riellys long time partner. I think Rielly is good enough and smart enough that they could reign him into be the more stable guy beside Faulk as the rusher, but I think it’s better to leave Rielly doing what he’s become comfortable with and find him that Marc Methot type guy.

2.) 07 Aug 2018
07 Aug 2018 05:23:48
Also I don’t think the pick needs to be a 1st to make up the difference but all depends how much they value the year of control. Gardiner might not interest Carolina withe their D already good enough to make Faulk expendable and if I were trading a top 4 d with a great cap hit plus a first, I’d want more than a top 4 D with a slightly higher cap hit back.

3.) 07 Aug 2018
07 Aug 2018 10:36:54
Have you looked at Gardiners career stats compared to Faulks? Gardiners stats are much bwtter. No way they give extra.

4.) 07 Aug 2018
07 Aug 2018 13:22:56
I think that's slightly misleading. Gardiner didn't turn a corner to score a round Faulks career average in points until about 2 years ago when the leafa forward corps really took off. And his points are assost driven. Faulk on the other hand is a goal scorer who had a down year this year, which was only 6 points lower than his career norm and would have tied Gardiner career high pre Mathews and Marner. Gardiner doesn't have better career numbers, Gardiner has better numbers since he got to work with Mathews Marner Nylander and Marleau and Faulks top forward was Skinner? And no real other offensive threat to help compliment him. Gardiner likely better on D, although ill be honest i'm not sure by how much or how to quantify it reliably. Faulk has extra year of control, right handed, and probably puts up better numbers than Gardiner if playing with the same level of offensive talent around him. that's why i personally would give Faulk more value than Gardiner, not sure how much more though. Regardless Carolina will he looking for forwards in a Faulk deal.

5.) 07 Aug 2018
07 Aug 2018 14:10:50
Or is it because he is a leaf jbs? I could argue that throughout there careers Faulk has played on a better all round team. The leafs even though being good offensively are still wrak defensively. Gardiner is minus 10 in his career. Faulk is minus 109.

6.) 07 Aug 2018
07 Aug 2018 14:42:37
@jbs. Fair enough. I didn’t say Gardiner is better. Said Faulk isn’t the right fit. Also o don’t believe the difference between them either way (whoever you feel is better) is a 1st rounder. That’s all.

7.) 07 Aug 2018
07 Aug 2018 16:40:42
Faulk to Toronto just isn’t a good idea no Matter how you spin it. We need the exact opposite type of player.

8.) 08 Aug 2018
08 Aug 2018 00:45:53
Look Cherry, I take offense to your comment. I am not a Leaf hater, I am just looking at facts. I have stated before how I think the Leafs D is better than people give credit, and I gthink a big part of that is people discounting Gardiner. Carolina has not been a better offensive team than Toronto since Gardiner came into the league. They were above Toronto in goals scored once, and it was by 4 goals. Faulk, however, has been above Gardiner in goals and points every year until the Leafs hit it big with Mathews and Marner, two players the likes of which Faulk has never been able to play with. +/ - is a team stat, when your team can't score you will look bad. When your goalie puts up 7 straight below average save % seasons, your +/ - will look bad no matter what you do defensively. I am not saying Faulk is a great defensive player, but his minus numbers are similar to Gardiners before Mathews Marner and Freddie came along as well. I don't disagree with people saying Leafs need a more defensive minded D, but Faulk isn't some scrub who can't hold Gardiners jock strap, and saying an extra cheap season, of a more offensively talented, RHD is more valuable really is not some big crazy hot take. I look stuff up before I post comparing players, I like to speak from an informed opinion, and try to look at more than just what's on paper as well. But I do not discredit a player based on the jersey they wear.

9.) 08 Aug 2018
08 Aug 2018 20:40:29
My apologies jbs, just used to people overrating and underating other players strictly based on the jersey they wear. I do still disagree with you rating Faulk higher but I guess that is personal opinion. If you look at Pesce and Slavins stats they are plus players while Faulk is far into the negative so I think that negates the argument of the Carolina goalie being bad. I guess we have to agree to disagree. don't get me wrong though, neither will win any defensive awards.

Sorry if I offended you.

10.) 08 Aug 2018
08 Aug 2018 23:26:21
I agree with you though doncherry. The only way that a guy with the same team around him should have that far worse +/ - is when he has to play against the top lines all the time and it’s obviously a lot tougher. But at home Bill Peters puts Slavin/ pesce out against top lines whenever he can because he has last change. Most of the time that Faulk faces top lines would be on the road and it’s because the home teams coach has identified he wants his top line against Faulk instead of Slavin/ pesce. I don’t dislike Faulk, he’s good at what he does and would be a great add to quite a few teams. But Toronto isn’t one of them.

11.) 09 Aug 2018
09 Aug 2018 03:56:03
I overreacted so i apologize for that i just try hard to look at things from an unbiased stand point and have a ton of respect for how the Leafs have turned things around so quick. I won't argue Faulk is a better player than Gardiner because i don't think that's true, its just the other factors i stated above that i believe give him more trade value. I don't think anyone would argue slavin and pesce are top pair players and they were only +1 last year, which i feel proves my point on +/ -. Faulk isn't a great D player just likely not as abysmal as given credit.