19 Nov 2018 06:07:21
Tor : Nylander (rights as is unsigned), a 3rd

Ott : ceci, ( who's having a good year so far), chlapic, a 2nd

Nylander won't sign in Toronto anyway meaning his value is actually a lot lower than this offer gives him credit for at the moment

Ceci is slowly becoming irrelevant in Ottawa with guys like Lajoie, Chabot, and jaros taking over and guys like wolanin, Bernard-docker, and Norris set to be the next wave or influx of new defenders in Ottawa but could definitely outrank the majority of Toronto's blue line outside Reilly of course, on top of that chlapic is ready now for NHL and could be the cheap fix they need to replace Nylander in Toronto, as well as upgrading a 3rd to a 2nd, all for a guy who won't sign anyway.

Ottawa would have the money to sign him with the space they have plus the free space from Ceci contract making their offence even more formidable and arguably their defense too lol as even though he's having a good year they play better as a team without Ceci in lineup.

Boadker Duchene Batherson
Tkechuck teirney stone
Nylander white Ryan
Dzingle Smith pyatt
Pajarvii pageau Gaborik Formenton brown


Yes I put Nylander on 3rd line to start as he hasn't played in a while, it's a new team, those top 2 lines already have tons of chemistry with each other, without Matthews feeding him it's unknown whether he'll be a fit in top 6 or not, and a 3rd line like that shows unreal depth.

With that being said however Boucher does like to rock the boat with line combos so he likely would find his way up the order eventually.

1.) 19 Nov 2018
19 Nov 2018 06:39:48
ceci sucks dude. huge no.

2.) 19 Nov 2018
19 Nov 2018 11:37:58
looool, he's come outta hiding.

3.) 19 Nov 2018
19 Nov 2018 11:40:35
Wouldn’t take Ceci for free. Would rather Polak.

4.) 19 Nov 2018
19 Nov 2018 13:08:38
Hahahah. Comes out of hiding with a classic Rambo bang!
So what are your thoughts on the Karlsson trade?

5.) 19 Nov 2018
19 Nov 2018 15:24:53
The leafs will
Not trade nylander unless it’s a sign and trade. They will just keep him as opposed to trading him for garbage. Come on.

6.) 19 Nov 2018
19 Nov 2018 15:53:00
Mclary27 if the Leafs keep him they will lose him for nothing anyway either to an eventual NHL team or to Europe, the kid clearly don't want to be their or he'd be signed by now at least to a bridge deal.

And ceci might not be the greatest but he's still top 4 defense and better than most defense Toronto currently has and is having a pretty good year so far, and chlapic is capable of filling the Nylander void in Toronto. Add the pick upgrade on top of that and you have a far better return than Ottawa got for Hoffman who's a very comparable player to Nylander on a much better contract situation.

7.) 19 Nov 2018
19 Nov 2018 16:12:53
Yupp truth is I can't at this point give an oppinion on the karlsson trade yet as it has yet to be fully realized with all the crazy conditions to everything.

I hated it at first untill I saw those conditions. The players involved are growing on me a bit but it all depends on those draft picks.

If they make playoffs this year that 1st goes to Buffalo and sens get their next year's 1st, but if they don't make playoffs then sens get that 1st with neither scenerio being lottery protected.

On top of that if EK gets signed by them this year sens get an additional 1st either next year or the year after as well as if he's traded east this year.

If he's not signed or traded before July 1st he could wind up coming back to Ottawa anyway at a discount after a bad year and after seeing what the kids can do.

Any of those scenarios would be great for Ottawa.

So as much as I hated it at first I actually don't mind it now as it's far better than Hoffman garbage deal.

And seeing how close standings are currently who's to say jack Hughes isn't still within reach for Ottawa thanks to this deal? Lol.

8.) 19 Nov 2018
19 Nov 2018 16:56:00
No Rambo, the leafs will not “lose him for nothing eventually anyway”. If he sits this year they still own his rights with the same amount of RFA years left. As usual, your posts are short on facts and high on incorrect opinions (which should not be surprising as your history of being comically wrong on this site is well documented) .

Will San Jose now flip Karlsson for Point, Sergachev and 2 1sts (his true NBR value that we were all wrong about)? Asking for a friend.

9.) 19 Nov 2018
19 Nov 2018 17:30:32
He is owned by the leafs for 5 years. They don’t lose him for nothing to another NHL team lol. Where do you get this stuff?

10.) 19 Nov 2018
19 Nov 2018 21:34:11
"Who’s to say jack Hughes isn’t still in reach?" we’ll considering Colorado has their 1st I’d say he’s not but okay.

11.) 20 Nov 2018
19 Nov 2018 22:49:12
@VBb he’s implying San Jose could win the lottery which Sens would getvthat pick.

12.) 20 Nov 2018
19 Nov 2018 23:41:53
Unsportsmanlike and Jim, do you guys even know how the league or contracts work?

Leafs don't sign him one of 2 things will happen. Either the trade him for next to nothing hense lose him to NHL team or he signs in Europe as not signing him doesn't prevent him from going to Europe.

And vbbvbb, their 1st means nothing and if you read my full post you'd know I was talking about one of the conditional picks they got in karlsson deal with San Jose.
Sharks are just 8 points out of 2nd last as we talk right now and if they finish in lottery sens get that pick.

13.) 20 Nov 2018
20 Nov 2018 14:08:30
They would lose him to Europe for the season, yes. But that’s what he’s alrewdy doing. He’s skating in Europe. But they don’t LOSE him. He can never return to the NHL until he gives the leafs 5 years or we trade him. He has next to no leverage unless he wants to go be a star in the SEL where top players make $2-3 mill.

14.) 20 Nov 2018
20 Nov 2018 14:33:55
Yes, I DO know how the league and contracts work.

I also knew that Karlsson would not get anything close to the outlandish packages you said he would (Point, Sergachev, and 2 firsts, for example), and that Hoffman would not get anything near the return you said he would (newsflash: he didn't! ) .

Nylander wants more money. He's not getting that in Europe. He can sit out this year and play in the KHL for a fraction of what he could make playing for the Leafs this season. Even if he does the Leafs still own his rights and he is no closer to becoming a UFA than he was prior to the start of the season. If he wants the big money he has to come back to the NHL.

15.) 21 Nov 2018
21 Nov 2018 04:35:00
Pretty sure they make more than that in Europe leagues. Khl can and has matched NHL contracts before with the likes of Kovalchuk Yashin jagr and radulov.

Also if the 5 year with Toronto thing was even close to true then explain how Kovalchuk bypassed that stipulation this season when he returned to NHL seeing as how his rights should have remained with new Jersey after his false retirement?

16.) 21 Nov 2018
21 Nov 2018 18:20:33
I could care less about you being "pretty sure" -- especially considering you are wrong all the time.

Star players in the KHL make $1-$5 mln a year. Radulov was the highest paid player in KHL history and was making $5.75 mln. Kovalchuk was making $4.4 mln a year. KHL GM's have since reigned in spending. Nylander would be lucky to get $4 mln, well below what the Leafs are offering him.

Kovalchuk was able to come off the NHL's voluntary retirement list when he turned 35 (which he did this past spring) . Before that, he would have needed approval from New Jersey to sign with another team prior to that.

But hey as usual don't let the facts get in the way of your delusions.

17.) 22 Nov 2018
22 Nov 2018 16:10:58
You want to talk about being wrong? Dude you're wrong a lot more than I am and that is a fact!

The Karlsson deal could still work out in Ottawa's favour with all the conditions attached to it, and even still even the biggest hockey insiders like Pierre Lebrun and Bob Mackenzie were saying that Ottawa got shafted on both deals because of an incompetent general manager.

A competent gm for sure could have landed not only the deal I said with Tampa for Karlsson by simply adding a c or d prospect and a 4th or 5th pick to seal the deal but also could have easily held out till he got at least a mid to late 1st for Hoffman despite situation.

Real life situations happen all the time in hockey, the only difference between a real gm and dorion is that dorion let said situation affect the quality of his trades where a real gm like Brian Murray would never do.

Now don't mistake me for saying I completely hate the deals at this point because the players involved are all growing on me slowly but surely but the picks involved could have been better and possibly still can be in Karlsson deal thanks to conditions on them, just wish it was a guarantee and not a condition pick on at least 2 of the possible 3 1sts only one is guaranteed while other 2 have yet to be known.

18.) 22 Nov 2018
22 Nov 2018 17:38:04
A fact like how much players make in Euro leagues? Or a fact like Nylander being able to get out of his NHL contract? Yeah you've proven yourself to be a real expert when it comes to "facts". I'm sure a competent GM could have landed the deal you were so adamant Tampa would make for Karlsson (Point, Sergachev, and two firsts) if only Dorion were so super smart like you and added a c or d prospect and a 4th or 5th.

WHY DIDN'T HE THINK OF THAT! ARGH THAT ANTI-OTTAWA BIAS!

19.) 23 Nov 2018
23 Nov 2018 16:57:22
Are you honestly that dumb? Yzerman sent starting point offer of 2 1sts and sergachev or point for karlsson which surprisingly dorion was smart enough to say it wasnt enough.

Tampa without karlsson is a guaranteed top 5 in league projection, with Karlsson added they run away with the league title so naturally he'd be with more than a poor man's version of himself or a 2nd line winger and 2 late 1sts that can arguably be deemed early 2nd rounders.

San Jose gave 2 promising prospects that seem NHL bound, a responsible blue liner and a decent young 2 way center, plus a guaranteed 2nd rounder, a gauenteed 1st rounder (this year or next depending on how San Jose finishes with the better pick going to Ottawa if they don't make playoffs this year or guaranteed next year if they do) . On top of all that they also got an additional possibility of 2 more 1sts which will be in better shape than what Tampa's will be.

The additional 2 are under certain Conditions that if Sanjay signs Karlsson before July 1st and makes it to conference finals either this year or next sens get an extra 1st out of them.

Also if karlsson is traded back to an eastern Conference team before July 1st like Hoffman was, sens also get an additional 1st.

Now if they let him go to free agency to avoid all this, that gives him the option to come back to Ottawa where he never wanted to leave in the first place, and despite whether he goes back to Ottawa or goes somewhere else it leaves San Jose weaker for it next year with all their old timers on the decline and Demers and demelo both gone to new teams, that gives Ottawa as you would say a duel shot at lefrenier next year, with their own pick and with San Jose's pick


all of which are scenarios where Ottawa wins out.

20.) 23 Nov 2018
23 Nov 2018 18:17:31
LOL care to provide a source for "Yzerman sent starting point offer of 2 1sts and sergachev or point for karlsson"?

And no, the voices in your head does not count hahaha

And then you say Dorion was "smart enough to say it was not enough? "

And then he ended up trading him for:

Tierney (2nd round pick)
DeMelo (6th round pick)
Norris (1st round pick)
Balcers (5th round pick)

And in all likelihood, a second round pick (maybe a 1st, but also maybe nothing) .

I honestly think you are trolling me -- and if you are, well done -- I don't believe anyone can be this delusional.

21.) 23 Nov 2018
23 Nov 2018 23:10:03
I love how it won't post my responses to your garbage lol especially when no vulgar remarks were made or anything of the sort, it just simply proved how dumb you are lol. I'm certainly not reposting it either as there was far too much involved and it'd be a waste of my time sort of like you are.

22.) 25 Nov 2018
25 Nov 2018 00:22:16
So no sources, because it never happened. Got it.

23.) 26 Nov 2018
26 Nov 2018 01:39:21
Unsportsmanlike, go read up what the trade was. Yes sens got those 4 players, and yes sens got a 2nd rounder as well, but they also got 3 conditional 1st rounders. Deny it all you want, that don't make it any less truthful.

If San Jose signs Karlsson and makes it to the conference finals this or next year then Ottawa gets an additional 2020 or 2021 1st round pick all depending which one they will have automatically

If San Jose trades Karlsson to an eastern Conference team before his current contract is up they also get an additional 1st in 2020, 2021, or 2022

And incase you don't know how to read when you look it up assuming you're smart enough to do that anyway they are guaranteed at least one 1st from San Jose either in 2019 or 2020 non lottery protected, the reason they don't know the year of the pick yet is because of the Evander Kane trade with Buffalo which was stipulated that if San Jose makes this year's playoffs their 1st goes to Buffalo and Ottawa gets the 2020 1st rounder, but if San Jose misses this year's playoffs then the 1st goes to Ottawa and their 1st in 2020 goes to Buffalo.

Neither of the situations where the 1st goes to Ottawa this year or next, nor the other conditional picks were deemed lottery protected, giving Ottawa a better shot at either jack Hughes or Alexis Lafreniere and possibly what ever comes next as well.

24.) 26 Nov 2018
26 Nov 2018 01:59:21
Also considering the San Jose pick will be better than the Tampa pick they could have got, plus the possible extra 2 1sts instead of 1 extra from Tampa, plus a guaranteed 2nd as well picks wise San Jose was the better route.

And teirney might not be Brayden point and demelo might not be sergachev but both are responsible players and sergachev like I said months ago is a shell of what he was last year so far hence why you don't value a player completely based on 1 year of work or the chances are you'll be sadly disappointed.

Add balcers who's performance in minors so far has been nothing short of solid and Norris who is not only a former 1st rounder himself and was picked up because of his friendship and history with tkechuck but will also eventually find his way to main team based on how he's done since trade.

By the way you want a source, it's called tsn, Bruce garioche, Bob Mackenzie, etc.

But again based on this year and everything invovled or could have been involved, what they got from San Jose wasn't really as much less than I said from Tampa especially if one or both of those other conditions come into play.

On top of that Karlsson for sure would have fit in so much better in Tampa than in san Jose if yzerman wasn't so greedy seeing as how Tampa has the shut down guys to compliment Karlsson better plus instant chemistry with Hedman and a loaded team up front and on back end.

25.) 26 Nov 2018
26 Nov 2018 14:35:47
You must have vertigo from all of this spinning!

So just so we are all clear: no sources that Dorion turned down an offer of 2 1sts and Sergachev or Point (spoiler alert: it never happened) .

And a trade was NOWHERE NEAR as good as what you said the Sens would receive, calling us fools for undervaluing Sens players.

Just another chapter in the novel of Rambo being comically incorrect on this site. it's getting to be a pretty long book.

26.) 27 Nov 2018
27 Nov 2018 17:34:02
Were you living under a rock this past summer or in a crazy accident that left you in a coma for a few months? The offer did happen and if you accually followed the sport on and off the ice like a true fan, you'd know that.

Just because you hate the idea of it because it proves you wrong yet again don't make it any less true.

And the trade that did happen automatically becomes better than even what I said if any of 3 things happen.

Sign plus conference final appearance by San Jose

Trade to east team before season's end

Karlsson don't sign then comes back to sens in offseason

All 3 make you look du.