04 Dec 2018 15:22:09
Blues Trade
Parayko

Leafs Trade
Zaitsev
Timashov (AHL)
Borgman (AHL)
4th Round Pick 2019 (Blues Pick)
1st Round Pick 2020

Leafs have the Blues 4th Round Pick 2019 from the Soshnikov Trade last year.

Word out is that the Blues have Parayko out there to Trade, St.Louis would be looking more to the future if this is true and getting this kind of package does that.

Thoughts ?


1.) 04 Dec 2018
04 Dec 2018 16:08:32
Nothing there makes St. Louis better. First rounder is always nice but it is hopefully a very late one and zaitsev is the only NhL player going back and while he’s pretty good, he’s nowhere near parayko and only makes like $1 mill less.


2.) 04 Dec 2018
04 Dec 2018 17:44:26
Word out is that the word out you heard is completely false lol.


3.) 04 Dec 2018
04 Dec 2018 18:02:36
That was pure speculation by freidman. No truth.

But if you want parayko then try this

Kapenan, Liljgren, 2019 1st
or
Nylander Liljgren 1st 2020
for
Parayko Kostin Jaybo, 3rd 2019.


4.) 04 Dec 2018
04 Dec 2018 18:55:54
@pinball

I really have been enjoying your proposals a lot more lately. Maybe it’s the explanation you’ve been posting along with your trade ideas that helps me understand tour thinking better. I don’t know. But what I do know is that I find myself nodding my head a lot more when reading your posts and agreeing with you a lot more.

Zaitsev brings long term cost stability to an unstable team facing an uncertain future. If Blues trade either of Parayko or Pietrangelo, they will need a replacement. Zaitsev is a 2nd line RHD. No more, no less. I’m six years, his contract will seem like a pretty sweet deal compared to whatever outrageous demands Pietrangelo and Parayko will be asking. Of course Parayko is a better player than Zaitsev. No denying that. That’s why Leafs add. Parayko is a little too old to be saying he will turn into a franchise defenseman though.

I don’t know if this is a high enough return for St. Louis to make this trade, but it is not unreasonable by any means. There is actually a lot going for this proposal: St. Louis gets a bit of cap relief, they bring in a package of futures, they get long term cost stability in the back end, and they aren’t trading away their own future in an attempt to turn the ship around. It shows astute cap and asset management. Leafs may have to cough up better picks/ prospects, but we aren’t talking about the whole farm team.


5.) 04 Dec 2018
04 Dec 2018 20:09:54
If you want them to take jbo colt, drop the 1st and 3rd rounders. Jbo does nothing other than devalue the blues side of the deal.


6.) 04 Dec 2018
04 Dec 2018 21:00:44
No what jaybo does is cover the difference between parayko and nylander. He is off the books next year. No harm no foul. Blues are at the cap. Its him or gunnarson that would have to go back to coever the cap.


7.) 04 Dec 2018
04 Dec 2018 21:05:01
leafsgm. Zaitseiv is not that good. this prop basically gives us a bad dman and a bunch of crap for parayko. This is not reasonable and shows how much of a homer you really are.

I don't want to sit here and insult you but if you think that gets a deal done then we will offer you parayko, 2021 1st Oskar Sunqvuist jordan shmaltz Mathews, Its reasonable right.


8.) 04 Dec 2018
04 Dec 2018 22:13:40
No Redwing. Everyone else on this site is correct. You really are the homer actually. Resorting to name calling is extremely childish and uncalled for. This is a rumor and discussion forum. Pinball floated a proposal and all I did was point out the good things about it. I made it clear that the return wasn’t enough for Parayko. Leafs add. But even suggesting Leafs trade Nylander for Parayko shows how little thought you put in to this proposal. Blues can’t afford Nylander, and Leafs aren’t going to take some piece of crap overpaid player you want to send our way as cap dump to help you guys out. Leafs pay that kind of money for good players.

I can’t think of even one reason why Leafs would sign Nylander to that contract just to trade him straight away. St. Louis guaranteed won’t be taking Nylander until after July 01, and if you think Leafs will trade Nylander after just paying him $18M in 7 months for four years of a good, not great, second line defenseman, then maybe you need to re-think your valuation of your players. Why would we help Blues our like that?

Disagreement is going to happen. But adults don’t resort to name calling like you have here. Extremely immature. and unnecessary. Just creates bad vibes and makes yourself look chuildish. I don’t mean to insult you, but you need to grow up.


9.) 05 Dec 2018
04 Dec 2018 23:41:10
First for most. I don't care to trade parayko or petro. I have been joining in the props to help with accurate value. Calling you a homer is not name calling it's a fact. To address the prop you responded to, there was zero value, zaitsev is negative value, the picks are crap and the players worse. Quantity doesn't equal quality. There is no defending this trade. If I was completely off base yup and some of the other long time posters would have called me out.

Keep nylander I don't want him. In the same breath blues are not trading leafs petro or parayko so please move along now.


10.) 05 Dec 2018
05 Dec 2018 00:28:41
Not close on this one.


11.) 05 Dec 2018
05 Dec 2018 03:19:25
Also leafs gm if youh think you are not bias then you are in denial. I can admit my character flaws. I think it's funny that the only time you complement pinball is for a lopsided trade like this.


12.) 05 Dec 2018
05 Dec 2018 20:34:55
Redwing is actually right on that on. This is basically just a lat first rounder for Parayko. The rest has little to no value. This trade is terrible for St Louis and I'm surprise people actually think its remotely clost. Try Nylander+ late first+small add for Parayko.


13.) 05 Dec 2018
05 Dec 2018 20:35:54
And leafs Parako is not second line defensemen. he's a number 1 RHD on 90% of nhl teams. That's super valuable.


14.) 05 Dec 2018
05 Dec 2018 21:09:23
I think if blues are trading parayko they would want one of the following.

Nylander+ liljgren

or

Kappy, Lijgren 1st 2019

parayko small add

either way your top d prospect would be coming back.