24 Jul 2020 14:58:39
3 Team Trade Proposal.

Buffalo Trades
Eichel (New Jersey)
Jokiharju (Toronto)

New Jersey Trades
Hughes (Buffalo)
Zacha (Toronto)
Severson (Toronto)
7th Overall Pick 2020 (Buffalo)

Toronto Trades
Hyman (New Jersey)
Kerfoot (Buffalo)
Kapanen (New Jersey)
FGauthier (New Jersey)
Dermott (Buffalo)

Trade Breakdown

Buffalo
Eichel / Jokiharju
-JHughes / Kerfoot / Dermott /
7th Overall Pick 2020

New Jersey
JHughes / Zacha / Severson
7th Overall Pick 2020
-Eichel / Hyman / Kapanen /
FGauthier

Toronto
Hyman / Kerfoot / Kapanen /
FGauthier / Dermott
-Zacha /Severson / Jokiharju

This Proposal helps in Player return, cap and a needed trade splash for all 3 Teams.


Thoughts ?

1.) 24 Jul 2020
24 Jul 2020 16:10:36
I know what everyone else is going to say, but I think this is a fair deal, but simply not something that would happen. Buffalo and New Jersey are giving up the most but also getting the most in return.

Toronto in the other hand gives up some really good forwards in Hyman and Kapanen who are easily top 6 on New Jersey, a 3C, and Dermott who can step into a top 4 role on a rebuilding Buffalo team almost right away.

I’m exchange we get a 3C who is still young, Severson a top 4D that could use some work in his own end, and Jokiharju and up an coming defenceman who could play a bottom pairing role for them.

I wish the leafs could get a little more giving up Hyman as he is very valuable to any team, but I know everyone else will disagree with me so I ain’t going to even argue.

2.) 24 Jul 2020
24 Jul 2020 16:15:47
Buffalo get screwed and the Leafs give up expendable 3rd/ 4th liners and a bottom pairing d-man and gets back 3 good, inexpensive, young players.

3.) 24 Jul 2020
24 Jul 2020 16:37:43
Dude islandjet

Dermott=Jokiharju
Hyman+Gauthier=Zacha and a pick but there is no pick
Kapanen+Kerfoot=Severson

How is that an underpayment from Toronto.

4.) 24 Jul 2020
24 Jul 2020 16:39:51
Yeah Toronto absolutely makes out like bandits here no surprise. I’m a leafs fan and even I am getting annoyed.

5.) 24 Jul 2020
24 Jul 2020 17:06:37
Typical Pinball trade. Toronto improves significantly for minimal cost. Props to vbbb for evaluating the deal without bias. That is hard for fans to do at times.

6.) 24 Jul 2020
24 Jul 2020 17:25:50
vbbbvvbb and memarcusjoe The Leafs make out as bandits?
Eichel is the best player in this proposal and he goes to The Devil's
Hyman is on the Top Line, Kerfoot right now is better than Zacha as a 3rd Line Centre, Kapanen and Dermott aren't throw in players, only FGauthier you can truly say is a 4th Line Centre, so value you wise you are both out to lunch.
I know so many on here won't accept anything coming from Toronto, I guess if Marner is exchanged for Kapanen then it's fair right?

7.) 24 Jul 2020
24 Jul 2020 18:09:53
You know this trade got moved to the leafs rumours site and most people there agree that its a fair trade for the leafs, some even believe its an overpayemnt. Although you guys may not agree, its how many fans feel. Its not that we overvalue our players, we just feel that simply because they play for Toronto that many people view them as useless and not worth much.

I think Buffalo gets screwed more here then anything else, and people just resort to saying the leafs make out like bandits when really all they get is a 3C and a couple defenceman who have trouble in their own end. Yes these players are young, but so are Dermott, Kapanen and you could even make an argument for Hyman as well as he is in his prime. Of course when you trade young, valuable players like that, you expect young guys in return, it's just how it works. It feels to me that many of you are just biased against the leafs because you feel threatened by them and how good they are going to be over the next decade, so any trade that makes them better you shoot down and say it would never happen.

The value that the leafs give up in this trade is basically the exact same, or even more then the value they get in return. The problem is that Eichel is probably worth a bit more, and Buffalo could probably just make a trade straight up with New Jersey or another team and get more in return. The problem isn't the assets that are being moved by Toronto in this trade, it's just that it's too complex to ever work and its much more likely Buffalo would rather keep Eichel or try to get more elsewhere. Also think about it this way, if you take out those two guys, the leafs are still giving up Hyman and Kapanen, their top 2 wingers after Nylander and Marner.

The only thing that I would change in this trade is take out Jokihirou and Dermott as I don't really see a point in getting Jokihirou if we are getting Severson and when we already have Liljegren who seems to be ready for that bottom pairing role, and even if he isn't we also have Lehtonen and Holl who can fill out the right side. I also see Buffalo keeping Jokihirou as if they trade Eichel they will immediately go into full rebuild mode and start trading everyone who doesn;t help their rebuld (except maybe Skinner because nobody wants that contract) .

8.) 24 Jul 2020
24 Jul 2020 18:37:26
No Pinball you're just too invested in the Leafs to look at things honestly.

NJ does alright on the deal, but only because they end up with Eichel, by far the best player in the deal.

So, let's look are what Toronto is giving up and what they are getting.

They give up:

Hyman- decent player, benefits from playing with high-end linemates like a Pat Maroon. However, he is 28 and 1 year away from looking for a huge UFA deal based on what he has done in the past. So, that pulls his value down quite a bit to a re-building team.

Kerfoot-slightly expensive 3rd/ 4th liner that the Leafs need to move due to bad cap management. Maybe worth a high 2nd or low 3rd at best.

Kapanen-good player, but not good enough to get a top 4D without a decent add.

Dermott-okay 3rd pairing defenseman that will be looking for a decent pay raise this summer.

Gauthier-dime a dozen player that every team has a handful of. Worth pretty much nothing.

They take in:

Zacha-a slightly worse, but younger and with a better contract C than Kerfoot. Win Toronto, on cap savings.

Jokiharju-a younger, cheaper, higher upside, already better version of Dermott. Win Toronto, on better younger player and cap savings.

Severson-a good RD defenseman, with a great contract. Definitely not worth giving up for an okay 3rd liner and a one year rental for a re-building team. Win Toronto, they get a top 4RHD that they desperately need and cap savings as well.

So, Toronto clears out at least 2 players they will lose anyways due to cap mismanagement and replace them with better and cheaper versions.

We know how you do things Pinball, the only team that ever comes out ahead in your deals is Toronto.

9.) 24 Jul 2020
24 Jul 2020 18:44:10
Most of the Leaf fans are blind homers that over hype and over value their players. They them wonder why Dubas has to overpay their players to stay in Toronto and keep Leaf fans happy.

10.) 24 Jul 2020
24 Jul 2020 20:41:43
What if you replaced Hughes with Hischer.

11.) 24 Jul 2020
24 Jul 2020 21:08:46
There's no reason for Buffalo even be in this deal mostleaf. Other than Pinball trying to get another good player to Toronto for lower quality/ bad contract/ older players, so it doesn't matter if it it's Hischier or Hughes going to Buffalo.

NJ and Buffalo as building/ re-building teams should not be dumping young players for older, more expensive players.

12.) 24 Jul 2020
24 Jul 2020 22:26:56
Okay well how about Kapanen, Engvall and Dermott for Severson and Zacha. Age is no issue there and it’s probably the closest thing your going to get to a fair trade.

13.) 25 Jul 2020
25 Jul 2020 00:37:21
If I we're NJ, I'd say no. Severson is a decent top 4RHD on an excellent contract.

Engvall is another player with basically zero value as an equal player could probably be picked up off waivers.

Kapanen is an okay 3rd liner, but nothing more. He averages 37 points a season, so isn't a top 6 player and is much easier to find than a top 4RHD.

Dermott is an alright bottom pairing guy, but will be looking for a significant raise and he along with Kapanen will probably cost more than Severson and won't provide better value.

Why would Jersey consider trading Severson to Toronto for a "fair trade" value, when you are coming to them and they're a better team if they just stay with what they have?

14.) 25 Jul 2020
25 Jul 2020 02:48:15
I feel like kap and dermott are the home town heroes. Kap top line winger in Toronto, however no other team sees him as such. Dermott the amazing d-man that's a5-6 at the moment. Every team has them, but we don't try to trade them away. In Calgary it's backlund and brodie.

15.) 25 Jul 2020
25 Jul 2020 12:00:57
Just spare parts from Toronto like usual. Kapanen only player with actual has value.

16.) 25 Jul 2020
25 Jul 2020 17:27:22
I think your seriously undervaluing Kapanen and Dermott. I’m sure if it was Roslovic, Niku, and Appleton you would say that’s an overpayment from the Jets.

17.) 25 Jul 2020
25 Jul 2020 17:34:01
Also Dermott probably gets a bridge deal at around 2 mill, so that is not a huge raise, and Engvall is already a proven NHL player who just struggled during the back half of the season because he had no good linemates because of all the leafs injuries. He especially had great chemistry with Mikheyev before he got hurt.

Again a clear case of people undervaluing leafs players and overvaluing other teams players.

18.) 25 Jul 2020
25 Jul 2020 18:04:05
Leafs make out like bandits as usual.

19.) 28 Jul 2020
28 Jul 2020 17:04:47
Islandjet calls leafs fans over valuing there players. That's funny. Jets fans do the same thing on this site.