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13 Nov 2018 09:49:01
Canucks joulevi tanev stecher edler granlund 2 ed pick


Tor nylander gardnier nikta z



Marlue tavars marner
Kapanen mathews kadi
Granlund hyman brown

Reilly tanev
Edler stecher
Joulevi hainsey

Sven horvat nylander
Goldobin petterson nylander
Erikson sutter virtanen
Roussel beagle schaller

Hutton nikta z
Gardnier guddy
zotto. Pouliot

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13 Nov 2018 15:36:09
I'll say unbelievable just because i don't think Nylander can play on the first and second line. You should probably put Brock in there somewhere.

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13 Nov 2018 17:22:37
You seem to have misplaced Dermott from Leafs lineups as well as the entire 4th line. Small oversight given that you are Canucks fan is forgiveable.

A complete remake of our defense. Not sure how necessary an overhaul is. Changes are coming, but will likely be replacement from internal and maybe a ufa signing.

I like the thought though. Trading these guys to a west coast team that probably won’t be competitive for a few years makes sense. The only way they come back to hurt is is in the finals.

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13 Nov 2018 01:20:22
W.Nylander for B.Montour, N.Richie & S.Steel

Leafs add a economical slick defender, pick-up a good prospect & add a cheap wrecking-ball, but as predicted, lose the deal.

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13 Nov 2018 04:09:25
I don’t think Toronto loses that deal.

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13 Nov 2018 05:31:17
I like the deal if Toronto can’t get an equal valued defence back. But what’s Steel’s value and how high is his potential because he might be worth more than an add in on Montour.

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13 Nov 2018 08:45:07
Really? That's way too much. Montour has huge upside and so does Steel. Nylander for Montour alone seems more fair.

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13 Nov 2018 11:15:48
Anaheim is going to be confuse as if Dubas is serious about the proposal or just messing around. Montour himself gets you Nylander when he doesn't have a contract. Eve then I don't think Anaheim trades to get to pay Nylander 8 million. I Say no from Anaheim for Montour straight up unless they know he's not getting 8 million.

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13 Nov 2018 12:38:40
Anaheim says no way.

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13 Nov 2018 12:39:07
Even if Anaheim is the ones to add on it wouldn't be Ritchie and Steel.

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13 Nov 2018 17:18:31
I would want more for Nylander than just Montour, he’s got upside but really unproven for a team trying to compete. But yeah, Steel has looked to be progressing well and wouldn't be included as well. Pretty sure he’s the guy they got with the penguins pick we traded them for Freddy Andersen. Could be a real good find for them at #30.

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13 Nov 2018 18:45:48
Drais How far off in value do you think Kucherov And Nylander are at there respective ages?

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12 Nov 2018 22:24:23
Shakeup in St. Louis, also the Jets and Blues have a trade history after last year.

STL: Schenn
WPG: Petan, Comrie, 1st Round Pick 2019, and Kulikov (cap dump)

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12 Nov 2018 23:08:37
So a depth forward, a prospect goalie who is 2-3 years away from being an NHL Starter [could be a backup now, but will take time to be a starter] and a 1st, and a cap dump, for a guy who just got 70 points and is still performing pretty well?

Easy, easy no from STL.

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12 Nov 2018 23:11:49
Great deal for the Jets but in a year he would be a UFA and the Jets would have a hard time fitting him in with all the young players due raises. If the trade would include Little instead of the #1 and Comrie it would free up enough $ for the Jets to resign Schenn. I don't think the Blues would go for this change in the trade.

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12 Nov 2018 23:52:43
I would think that wouldn't be close. The Blues would want a better roster player than Petan.

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13 Nov 2018 01:16:59
I don't think STL does this. They like Schen - Oreilly as a one two center combo. Bozak is a good third line center.
And Jets have Schifle - Little one two center and solid wingers. Why do you want Schen for? To bump little down to third line center i guess? Still, STL says no I think.

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13 Nov 2018 02:36:01
Why on earth would the blues do this. That is a crap package for a 70pt center. Lol what a joke.

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13 Nov 2018 02:54:10
Blues just paid a steep price to get schenn a year ago and he had a career year and exceeded expectations. Highly doubt he’d be the guy to go in a shake up.

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13 Nov 2018 08:45:27
Why would STL do this, not enough.

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12 Nov 2018 22:15:31
At the deadline:

NJ: Boyle
WPG: 2nd Round Pick 2019, Lipon

Jersey gets back almost the same package Tampa got for Boyle a couple years ago. Also he's a UFA at the end of the year.

Winnipeg gets another big strong C that can play 4th line in the hardest division. Centres would go: Scheifele, Little, Lowry, Boyle

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12 Nov 2018 23:13:50
I don't think Boyle is worth a second given his health issues.

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13 Nov 2018 00:20:27
Value would be okay and give us pretty good depth.

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12 Nov 2018 16:50:37
to Carolina
Nylander

to Toronto
Pesce
McKegg
5th.

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12 Nov 2018 17:47:03
Nylander and Zaitsev
For
Hamilton and Necas.

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12 Nov 2018 17:53:55
That’s probably close to what it could eventually be. I just wouldn’t want mckegg back. Rather a winger with size than a depth centre.

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12 Nov 2018 23:54:28
McKegg was a leaf prospect he never panned out. Career ahler.

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13 Nov 2018 01:19:50
I don't think Carolina would want to add Necas or Zykov myself.

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12 Nov 2018 08:30:40
Leafs - Nylander
Coyotes - Chychrun

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12 Nov 2018 14:48:38
Yotes add.

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12 Nov 2018 14:52:44
no from arizona.

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12 Nov 2018 15:51:34
Something based around that could be a good deal.

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13 Nov 2018 15:51:46
Always a risk taking on a guy just coming back from serious injury. Hard to believe he will ever reach full potential. Would rather if Leafs trade Nylander, they find someone who is ready now with no risks.

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11 Nov 2018 22:13:30
It looks as though a Nylander trade will be going down shortly so I thought the Florida Panthers really need a change. The leafs need a significant change on defense so I think this can work

TML - Nylander, Gardiner, 1st 2019
FLR - Ekblad

Ekblad really does need a change of scenery he is having a tough year with only two assists and the Panthers have been terrible. I think this trade helps both teams.

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11 Nov 2018 23:18:12
Too much from the leafs.

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12 Nov 2018 01:59:19
Too much from Toronto.

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12 Nov 2018 08:29:09
Good package. Florida and Toronto would accept that i feel

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12 Nov 2018 14:30:42
Make the first a second and it’s a deal.

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12 Nov 2018 14:54:04
I feel like Eklblad came in with so much hype that people still think he’ll have this huge breakout season and become a superstar. I don’t see it but if I’m the leafs and I get this offer I’m accepting it. He’s the exact mold of Dman the leafs need. I feel like Florida does really not want to Trade him so it would have to be one of those “ send me an offer so ridiculous that I can’t say no to “ scenarios. Is this an overpayment for Eklblad? I’m really not sure.

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12 Nov 2018 14:54:48
I don't see why this would be no from toronto, I'd think no from florida. think florida values ekblad a lot, top fleet d-man. if they were to trade him think they'd want more than that.

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12 Nov 2018 15:54:31
This is interesting. however I feel Florida has many good forward pieces already, and losing Ekblad would take a step back from what they are trying to build, they would lack on the D.
Also. that may be a lot to offer from Toronto.

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12 Nov 2018 16:51:47
I can't see the Panthers doing this deal. Why trade Ekblad who is locked up for 7 seasons for Nylander, who is holding out and Gardner who will be a UFA at the end of the season?

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12 Nov 2018 17:57:19
@islandjet. I think we all assume any trade for Nylander is signed to a contract unless they stay ‘unsigned’. No one is trading for him without a contract in place. And you can say he wants too much, and I agree, but I’d the trade goes through, it means the team acquiring him is comfortable with the salary they give him.

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12 Nov 2018 21:26:05
Unbiased Jim Why wouldn't the Leafs keep Nylander if they sign him to a contract? If the contract is that crazy why would any team give up a star player like Ekblad for him when they could just make him an offer sheet and give up draft picks instead?

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13 Nov 2018 02:58:57
I’m not saying leafs sign him and then try to trade him. I mean Nylander and his agent have permission to discuss contracts with teams interested in him, like has already been reported. It happens all the time in these situations. Habs had a contract ready to sign as soon as the trade for Drouin went through. They weren’t trading Sergachev just for the rights to talk to Drouin lol they knew they were trading him for a talented forward with a 5 year extension. Same with when leafs traded the 1st rounders for RFA Kessel in a contract stalemate, Burke already had the 5 year/ $27mill contract worked out with him.

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13 Nov 2018 03:00:35
And if a team wants to offer sheet Nylander at what he's asking, be my guest lol leafs would get 4 first round picks which, even late 1st’s from a contender, is far more than we would ever get for him in a trade.

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13 Nov 2018 15:53:49
Ekblad has had a lot of concussions for such a young player. I would be cautious about trading for him. Would prefer someone with a cleaner bill of health.

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13 Nov 2018 18:31:52
@LeafsGM, Nylander has 2 for sure, maybe 3 concussions before 21 also. I never like a guy with injury history either but as long as they’re managed properly and not rushed, both players are fine.

Nylander got one after we drafted him while he was playing in Sweden, leafs didn’t like the way the Swedish team was handling his injury and that’s when they paid to get him out of Sweden and to the Marlies for the first time. Then they sent him to the World juniors and he got crushed first or 2nd game and diagnosed with a concussion, missed the tourney. Not sure if there was a 3rd or not.

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11 Nov 2018 20:06:51
Mtl: Mete, 2rd 2018, Primeau

Canucks: Juoelevi

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11 Nov 2018 21:19:38
Maybe if Virtanen is coming back as well. oh. and he has Finnish heritage. should make ya happy Boom.

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11 Nov 2018 21:56:29
Sosa what's ure problem with Filand players? Ure were not happy with Kotkaniemi and now ure can't gr enough of him! Trust me Juolevi is a star in the making.

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11 Nov 2018 22:40:02
I was never unhappy with Kotkaniemi. yes I wished we picked someone else at the time, and I have admitted my mistake. but your goofy ass way of thinking the Habs need every damn Finn on the league is just ridiculous.

I'm not saying Mete is going to be a star, but I won't be suprised if he has a better career than the Juolevi. Maybe not. but anyway. ju cause KK is a Finn, doesn't mean you have to surround him with every Finnish player in the league.
But maybe of we get enough Finns, Jets and Panthers will cut is a break and give us Laine and Barkov for cheap.?

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11 Nov 2018 23:37:07
@ boom boom are you sure your a habs fan?

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12 Nov 2018 07:28:58
U have to realize that Fin is the way of the future.

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12 Nov 2018 14:57:37
Yah McDavid who? Fins are the way of the future. BTW Russia beat Finland in the Gold medal U17 game I seen it live. Canada would’ve won for sure but they are divided between 3 teams where as the rest only have 1 team.

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12 Nov 2018 15:56:12
Cant really take ya serious Boom Boom .

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11 Nov 2018 01:38:22
Mtl:Juulsen,Suzuki

Canucks:Juolevi,Gaudette

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11 Nov 2018 03:50:16
Boom Boom, I can't tell If your serious or trolling.
If you are serious, can you explain the logic behind this? Cause IMO . no friggin way.

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11 Nov 2018 04:25:42
@ Sosa he just wants the habs to aquire every Finnish player they can.

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11 Nov 2018 10:12:17
For some reason I thought you were a Habs fan, Then last week I thought you were a Canuks fan.
Who is your team Boom?
Isn't this bad for the Habs?

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11 Nov 2018 13:08:50
I'm the biggest hand fan they is for clarification. I guess I value Juolevi very high. My taught prowess was

Juolevi>Juulsen

Suzuki>Gaudette
And no I'm not trolling I was very serious about this proposal. I tought Gaudette had a lot less value to suzuki and same with Juolevi to Juulsen. What am I missing guys? Seriously am I that way off?

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11 Nov 2018 13:11:04
My team is Montreal and my second favorite is Buffalo.

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11 Nov 2018 14:32:55
It's not that your value is off as much as it's pretty pointless for either team to make this trade.

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11 Nov 2018 15:25:30
I don't think Juolevi is going to be all that great. Gaudette as well. I like Juulsen, I think he's going to have a really good all around game, not as offensive, but still capable of being a 2nd PP unit. he's going to be a top 4 forsure. and I think his ceiling could be a number 2 on a top pair.
Suzuki has a lot o promise as well. I don't know much about his defensive side to his game, however he has good offensive skill., and with KK looking like a future number 1 . he could be a good number 2. and finally the Habs have there center position set for awhile. ( in the future)
I just don't see why Habs would do this.

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11 Nov 2018 16:01:14
I think Vancouver adds here. Joulevi has been more Underwhelming then Puljujarvi.

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11 Nov 2018 16:21:00
Lol. Leafs fans always got to bring up Oilers comparisons in posts that have nothing to do with Edm. Try finding other comparisons for once boys, they're a out there. Just give it a try is all in saying, I believe in you. Don't be offended, I'm so sorry.

And Boom I hair ask because it seems lots of Habs fans on here really like Juulsen and Suzuki and are excited about them so you just kinda threw me off. As well as Joulevi not looking like anything special just yet, still very young and D take a little more time to break out, but just haven't seen much from him. But maybe you have noticed something in him that you like.

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11 Nov 2018 17:12:26
I honestly see why he was drafted before Sergachev in terms of how he plays the game he could be a star imo. Obviously Sergachev is much better an proven at nhl level but I think Joulevi will be a better defensemen then Juulsen ever will be and Gaudette is also more proven as center then Suzuki so it work for mtl. And we add another finish player will is good because were going to be the Montreal Finish.

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11 Nov 2018 17:58:07
Ones a 4th overall pick the others a 5th 1 year apart both are a underachieving. The comparison is warranted.

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11 Nov 2018 18:04:44
@yupp, the top 7 players from that draft are Matthews, laine, Dubois, puli, juolevi, tkachuk and Keller. Saying he’s less proven than all of them is obvious, puli is the next closest to juolevi in terms of not living up to the hype in that group. That’s all he meant by it I’m pretty sure. Talk about offended lol next time he can put a side note in that puli has also been better than alex Nylander if it will please you.

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11 Nov 2018 18:25:28
I'm not offended what so ever there, how did you get that out of my comment man? Just getting old always talking about the Leafs and Oilers in every post.

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11 Nov 2018 18:31:19
😩😭poor yupper.

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11 Nov 2018 18:16:14
Joulevi been progressing every year jesse p hasn't joulevi has 11 points in 14 games in ahl that pretty good and probably would be playing in nhl if canucks didn't have so many d contracts.

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11 Nov 2018 19:58:11
You really don't understand tone hey Leafs17?
I'm trying to be better with bashing and just stick to actual decent on topic hockey conversation but no matter what I say someone takes it as bashing and is offended by it.
You have to take things as I say it, seems like whatever I say you think the tone is bashing you or something. Just relax a little and keep to on topic hockey conversation for a little would ya buddy?

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11 Nov 2018 21:24:53
I totally understand not wanting to talk about the leafs and oilers in every post. When you say don’t be offended and I’m so sorry, it’s your same childish stuff. Does that make sense buddy?

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11 Nov 2018 23:37:40
It's not childish at all. It's actually been on repeat non stop by you, no matter what I say you take it some crazy way and go off. You need understand tone and relax a little. Not everything I say is bashing you. If I'm going to
Bash you, Trust me, you'll know.

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12 Nov 2018 03:29:47
Nope, just with the I’m sorry and don’t be offended. Go back and take a look how often you use that without being provoked. “Trust me, you’ll know. ” Ouch! Those are some tough words, you should try boxing like Jim suggested.

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12 Nov 2018 05:19:25
@yupp, maybe you really don’t mean to bash people every post but 90% of your replies over the last year have been sarcastic, condescending or putting people down. So that ‘tone’ you think we keep reading your posts with, has been instilled by you over and over again. If you're not meaning it now, sorry, but it’s been that way for so long, that’s what I read every time.

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12 Nov 2018 14:27:31
Your problem not mine. Get over it.
Give it a try moving forward.

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12 Nov 2018 14:30:04
When I'm being sarcastic, You'll know.
When I'm trashing someone for being delusional, you'll know.
When it's just hockey talk and you take something completely out of context, misinterpret the tone, whine and bring up ten things non relevant to the topic, that's your problem. Just chill.

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12 Nov 2018 14:35:42
And yes, just as often as any leafs fan brings oilers into a conversation, you take an unprovoked shot with the “fun to watch tho” or “whiner leaf fans” or “offended, so so sorry” on a post that no leaf fan has even commented on yet, so yeah it’s a 2 way street.

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12 Nov 2018 14:41:00
On the other Talk page, you asked a direct question to me about Nylander sitting out, said it was an honest question, I answered it sincerely with a proper answer, never gave you any attitude or anything, and then you just abandon the thread because I gave you nothing to fight against lol it’s like you were wanting me to be a dick about it and when I wasn’t your “honest question, no trashing” was all of the sudden a non factor. It’s so obvious that you’re still just fishing for arguments and then claiming we take it out of context.

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12 Nov 2018 17:20:15
No, because I disagree with you on that and think it's very bad for a player to sit out a season, you just don't see it very often. and no matter what I say you'll turn into an argument just like you and Habby going at it on another one.

If an Oiler was to sit out a season you would be relentless on it. Don't you get it, I'm sick of arguing about anything I say with you. I don't even want to reply to you on this thread anymore. It's non stop. You're the one poking the bear here wanting to keep. Going and going.

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12 Nov 2018 17:55:23
You completely misinterpreted again there. If I was looking for arguments I would have bashed you there as I disagree with you. But I'm sick of going back and fourth so I just left it alone. I was only curious about your view on that topic, that's it, not interested in arguing about it.

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12 Nov 2018 22:32:44
It’s fine you disagree with me. You think it’s dumb for a GM to play hard ball and let player to sit out a season. I think it’s dumb to overpay an RFA just to get a situation over with when you h e 8 RFAs coming up this offseason including 3 Of your top 6 forwards. That is asking to be walked over again and again.

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13 Nov 2018 00:29:49
It doesn't come down to the GM being smart or dumb. He needs to get the players signed as cheap as he can if not he's going to lose at least one of them because of the cap. I doubt it has much if any affect on the other 8 rfas their agents we'll ask for what they think the player deserves regardless.

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13 Nov 2018 04:54:53
@Habby, it’s been said a lot that Nylanders camp is asking so much because they fear they will sign for less than they want and then Matthews and Marner won’t leave any money on the table. So I do believe that they are going to use eachothers contracts and therefore what happens with Nylander can affect the other RFAs.

Also when we were talking about the draisatl contract, you and yupp both said that he got that much money because it was compared to Mcdavids, and that Pasternak should have got more but they wouldn’t pay him more than Bergeron or Marchand. So in those situations it’s all team comparables but not now? Why not? I’m pretty sure I know why not lol.

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13 Nov 2018 10:10:24
I didn't say that. Ya better check again.

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13 Nov 2018 12:41:33
Not understanding what people say yet again.

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13 Nov 2018 12:51:54
Yeah you did lol him and I were talking about it, you chimed in wirh that and then he took up that as his argument too. If you want to deny it now, you can. But we both know you did and so does anyone else that read that thread. But whatever, same rules don’t apply when you guys talk about leafs manager/ player as with Edmonton, Boston or anyone else and both of you are the first guys to call ‘hater! ’ Lol just more hypocrisy.

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13 Nov 2018 17:56:27
What happens with your first RFA of 9 won’t arrecr the other 8 lol that’s as short sighted as it gets.

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10 Nov 2018 22:32:32
Tor- Nylander
Min- Dumba

Give the team some time to fill the void from within, kapanan or browny or johnsson. If they can't, then put together a package for Mark Stone.

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11 Nov 2018 08:28:55
Leafs add quite a bit.

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11 Nov 2018 11:30:00
What do the Leafs need to add and why?

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11 Nov 2018 13:39:38
Nylander>Anyone on the Minnesota roster.

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11 Nov 2018 16:00:52
I'd do it, if nylander isn't going to resign any time soon might as well get what you can for him. dumba would be a good top 2 or top 4 addition for leafs.

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12 Nov 2018 14:40:36
Do I really need to explain why TOR adds to get a #1D?
December inching closer doesn't really help TORs leverage either, btw.

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12 Nov 2018 15:24:25
Fair enough. Although who on the Minnesota roster can put up points like Nylander? Nylander is what 23 years old? They could give him his 7-7.5 mill per year and instead of being number 5-6 best player on Toronto, be one of the top 2-3 on Minnesota. got to give to get, fills both teams needs without each team losing to much.
It'd be mirroring the Hall for Larson trade, although Larson didn't work out as well as once thought.

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12 Nov 2018 17:58:26
But Larson is actually just what they thought they were getting and wanted. He's doing the shutdown solid D man job he was brought in to do just fine. He hasn't been underachieving in his role what so ever. Not saying it was a win trade for Edm at all or anything about that pet of it, just saying that Larsson is doing exactly what they expected from him.

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13 Nov 2018 09:50:25
Hall is def better than Nylander tho, he's the reigning Hart winner, no?
Dumba won't go to TOR unless TOR substantially adds to Nylander, imo
You are right that it fits both teams needs, but I guess Brodin would be the D TOR gets in such a deal.

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