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30 Aug 2014 15:52:30
Read an article on this. Found it very intriguing. What if the Boston Bruins decided to trade Zdeno Chara? He's aging, but wouldn't get a bigger return for him then right now. They are trying to clear some cap space, which would be accomplished with this deal. Plus they could easily upgrade their top-six forwards with trading him. Now IMO I don't think Boston will trade him as long as they are a cup contender. BUT if the right deal came along, I think they would consider.
That deal would probably look like.
Top-six right winger, top 4 defender, 1st round pick. (Depending on value, could add a decent prospect or other pick)
So which teams would be interested?
Not as many as you'd think but, I believe Los Angeles, New York Rangers, Montreal, Tampa Bay, and Detroit would be most interested.
Keep in mind, the Bruins might want to get younger, clear cap space, and possibly deal a defender that is slowing down.
The potential trades:
BOS: Zucarello, Girardi, 1st 2017
BOS: Palat, Carle, 1st 2015, 2nd 2016
I'm having a hard time placing value. Ignore the fact that you don't think Chara will get traded, just give your 2 cents on what they would get in return? Thanks for reading
I agree boston should trade him he is totally slowing down.but if they did, which they won't cause they are not smart enough. they would trade him to a western team.
Tough one. I just can't see them moving him.chara for yakupov lol
30 Aug 2014 17:24:46
Boy, I don't know where to start in saying how bad that is for every team not named Boston.
First of all, why the hell would LA be interested? They (and maybe STL) have the best D corps in the NHL.
Second, Chara is already declining, he's 37 and has one, MAYBE two good seasons left. Sure, he's still a very good dmen, but he isn't worth all that.
NYR: Girardi isn't much worse, but way younger and has a way better contract, which makes his trade value AT LEAST even to Chara's, rather higher. Still add Zuccarallo and a 1st? No thanks.
TB: WHY? TB has just added Stralman and Garrison to their D, their fine with it now, no need.
Besides that, value is so far off.
Carle may be a bit overpayed, but he's a solid top 4 guy. Palat was a calder finalist and is IMO untouchable for TB, I'm pretty sure he is a future Selke nominee, if not winner. Plus a 1st in the McDavid draft and another 2nd? that's insane.
I'm pretty sure most people disagree on what I'll say now, but i'm pretty sure Yzerman wouldn't trade Palat straight up for Chara.
Think 10-15 more years of a promising young forward, with great two way play VS 1 or MAX 2 years of an already declining Dmen, that TB doesn't really need.
30 Aug 2014 17:27:43
To answer your question:
Tbh I think Chara could fetch a good-paid top 4 dmen (for the cap, if other team is close to cap, too) and a prospect/mid pick.
Or a very good D prospect like (not saying PIT needs him or whatever, just an example) Maatta and a 5th or so
Wow draisaitl you're becoming more of a douche. How bout you give you're opinion on charas value rather than telling everyone their wrong.thats easy and of no use. So tell us what's fair value for chara oh wise one
30 Aug 2014 19:25:12
those packages you're putting together would be for a 30 year old chara, not a 37 year old one. he's worth nowhere near that and last year really showed some signs of declining.
Idk about all that. Tampa got 2 firsts along with Callahan for (then) 37 year old St. Louis. Not saying it's believable, but something similar happened only half a year ago.
Boston needs to just give him lless minutes.
I agree, why would a team trade away youth and picks for 1 or 2 years from an aging, albeit good dman? I don't see it happening. His career will almost certainly end in boston
Chara has a lot of value and he's still a very effective player. Every team that wants to compete this year would be interested to some degree in trading for big z. Correct me if I'm wrong but he would still be better than 4 too 7 dmen on any team. He finally slowed down a touch, but he is still a beast.
Coyotes get chara
Bruins get connor Murphy,Lucas lessio,4th rd pick if big z wanted to play there
Chara isn't worth much at all now. He looks slow.
31 Aug 2014 06:43:42
@drgonzo: As you see, I did just that.
How about YOU giving an assessment here or elsewhere instead of only always saying that I am a douche or whatever?
I'm at least talking hockey. You're talking me, lol.
31 Aug 2014 06:48:15
Shankar ist exactly right, that's for a 30yr old Chara.
The St.Louis comparison is a bit wrong IMO, Marty did show no signs at all of slowing down, he scored 4 goals vs SJ, won the Art Ross a year ago and averaged like 1.1 PPG the last 5 years.
Plus, the Rangers knew that Callahan would prolly leave either way in FA since they couldn't agree on a new contract.
Also, Callahan is not old at 29, but oldER than Palat at 23, who hasn't reached his full potential yet, so that's a difference, too.
Plus Rangers were/are in a desperate win-now-mode, which TB isnt. At least not desperate, since we got SY.
Everyone here is wrong chara is worth nowhere near these deals but if they find the right team and add in other players like kelly plus prospects and maybe 1st or 2nd pick they could get a top 4 d man plus top six right winger to a team that's going for the cup this year
I gave my opinion on the post.i then gave my opinion on you being a douche after reading you're comment.clearly I'm not the only one who has a problem with you based on the amount of clicks as we'll as hockeygodsgift and mrenlightened and others both telling you to shut up and post an idea if you're so smart rather than just dumping on peoples ideas.
01 Sep 2014 18:07:22
Lol, you three have a problem with me because you don't like that I keep telling people they overvalue their players (especially TOR and MON), but it's just the truth.
And 90% of the time, I get more agree's than disagrees, which is pretty good, considering this site is super TOR and MON heavy, lol.
25 Aug 2014 05:33:12
Oilers sign Andrei Loktionov for 2 years/1.2m.
Useful depth, can play on the 4th line. Still a young player. Loktionov put up 22 points in 68 games with the Hurricanes and New Jersey Devils in 2013-14 despite seeing less than 13 minutes of ice time per game.
To Tampa: Jeff Petry, 2016 3rd
To EDM: Matt Carle
Nice Offensive defenseman that can put up points.
And clears cap space for Tampa Bay.
To LA: 2015 4th round pick, 2016 6th
To EDM: Jeff Schultz
As big as he is, he usually plays in the AHL. He can be the Oiler's top 4. Also gives Brayden McNabb a chance to play. Even though he signed a one-way deal, although so was Schultz's last contract and that didn't stop Los Angeles from buying him in the minors for most of the 2013-14 campaign.
At best, Schultz will be a seventh defenseman with the Kings at the start of the season. According to:
Might work. Dunno.
Why would you want that giant pylon in you're top 4.i think he's a bottom pairing dman on a good day
Again, never had the proper chance in L.A. @Drgonzo I was watching him play in Washington, because I used to live there. Jeff Schultz is a good top 4. If you did not see him play, then don't comment. EDM needs a physical d-man with a strong shot.
I'm only commenting cause I've seen him play and he's not a top 4 dman on a good team.if edmontons goal is to continue drafting in the top 5 then good post.
I guess Washington didn't give him a proper chance too,wait they paid him to leave he's so darn good hahaha
I agree that Jeff schultz should not be in anyones top 4. But jeez @ Drgonzo, you call chirp a douche?
Have a seat oilers blue , Dr takes this one
26 Aug 2014 02:08:13
2 j.schultz. that would be confusing
No comments about the trade, you call me on calling Schultz a top four. This is a trade website. Not a depth chart website.
Lmao I gave my opinion and asked a question.if that makes me a douche fine.i think you're too sensitive. Lmao
I might be a douche^however to say I am a douche because of what I said above is laughable,someone get these poor oiler fans a tampon
Lmao now you have a reason to call me a douche yw
22 Aug 2014 04:23:52
Oilers: Perron + Petry
Preds: Wilson + josi (preds have many centres)
Kings: toffoli + muzzin (kings have many centres)
Bruins: soderberg + boychuk + Campbell (bruins need a winger + a slight cap relief + oilers add 3rd rd pk)
Blue jackets: anisomov + Johnson
Detroit: helm + Quincey or kindl + + abdelkader (wings need right hand dman + oilers add prospect such as pitlick, lander, musil or gernat)
Kings say no.
Toffoli will or already is better then Perron and muzzin was great in the playoffs
22 Aug 2014 08:37:41
Im sorry, but IMO nearly all trades favor your Oilers, Preds sure decline because of Josi, Kings say no way, so do the Jackets, Bruins and especially DET trades are the most realistic ones, I think EDM loses the DET trade.
17 Aug 2014 06:06:15
Cgy trades: 2015 third 2016 2nd
LA Trades: Adrian Kempe
The flames need more good prospect wingers and the kings could use the picks to trade or keep to get some assets for the future
This is my first one how did I do?
17 Aug 2014 07:27:28
Value might be okay, but I don't know why LA would give someone up who's most likely ready sooner than the players they can pick with the picks they get.
And if they want trade assets, they could just use the picks they have or Kempe himself.
Kempe is Kings Future
I think Calgary is better off holding onto their draft picks. It's going to be a rough year for Calgary with or without him so keep the picks and let you're scouting staff do their job.
Give it another try dude
19 Jul 2014 16:56:59
Just to get this straight: Edmonton is NOT trading Yakupov! What for? He is not fully developed. I say wait until he is around 25-30 then if he doesn't have the numbers to stay, we trade him THEN not now. No point of trading Yakupov now, we will not get a lot for him, if we DO want to trade him, like I said what until he is 25-30. Because 25-30 are the best years to put up points. The player has the maturity, and the experience in the NHL. And will also start leading the young guys by example. So everybody got my point -NO TRADING YAKUPOV
Okay, moving on to the trade:
To Colorado: 2016 6th round draft pick, Jesse Joensuu, Craig Graeme, (If he plays more then 20 games in the AHL Colorado gets a 2015 5th round)
To Edmonton: Cody Corbett
Cody Corbett- Cody has played for the Edmonton Oil Kings in the WHL. As I watched him play, he develops a lot by a year. He also made some great plays in the Memorial Cup tournament. I he is 21, and should play for the AHL. He finished checks, and easily steal the puck from the strikers like a professional. I think he will do good in the Oilers/Barons jersey, and make some great plays. On the other side, Colorado gets a 6th round draft pick that is going to be early, cause we all know that the Oilers are not going anywhere this season and will end up around last 6 in the league. They also get a tall finish 4th/3rd liner and a big Defensive prospect. If this trade does go, it will be a future trade, we will not see Cody Corbett playing for the Oilers in about 2-5 years.
19 Jul 2014 20:04:07
sorry o break it, but no one, not even EDM, will wait until yak is 25 to see of he is something or not.
this year will have a huge impact on the projection of his career.
One more fizzled year and KHL for Yak, 8mil per year tax free with no body checking. Oil need to move Yak for a D-Man before he's worthless a-la' Radulov.
14 Jul 2014 02:47:38
Mon sign Subban and pleck for doughty l.a
Mon price and bourque and Minnesota 2016 2nd round pickfor kopitar and Martin Jones And tofolli
But why would kings need another goals you say?
Well at the camp kings choose the best between them and trade The other one for another impact player!kabooom
Montreal: get a 1 Line center, get a prospect too devlop in toffoli and doughty who is not by far a bether defensemen then subban but with doughty we get a captain! And a ok goalie who could play starter
Kings: get subban almost has good has doughty, pleckanec one of The best defensive center in the league and Bourque a guy who get you on a good team 25 goal to 30 goal, he Will change is attitude just like gaborik did! That 2nd can get a nhl player too! And price wether you keep him or Quick can get you a great 1 Line player or a great prospect!
14 Jul 2014 06:54:24
or LA could just keep thier potential dynasty in tact and not ruin it by throwing away their #1 cebtre,
man some of the stuff you post is just nonsensical.
Well you can see it that way or see it that if you keep the same element every year team Will adjust too that!
Plus I think that if you trade then price or Quick you can replace the first Line center
Price is going nowhere neither is kopitar. doughty. nor probably toffoli
14 Jul 2014 20:54:16
but it has been proven, through appoximately 4/5 years of great success by LA with essentially the same team except for gaborik that the league isn't adjusting to them and that they can if fact have continued success with that squad.
05 Jul 2014 17:02:21
Leafs Send Cody Franson, Peter Holland
To The LA Kings and agree to terms with M.Richards
The Kings Buy Him Out and the leafs sign him to a 4 million dollar/year contract for 4 years
05 Jul 2014 18:04:00
Sure, because the 2 things LA needs back are a Dmen and a center
Do you realize that this is what you're proposing:
To LA - Franson, Holland
To TOR - nothing.
Kings then buyout Richards and Toronto signs him (provided, of course, he doesn't sign elsewhere because there are no guarantees).
This is absolutely absurd.
Kings don't need to buy him out if leafs traded for him??
"Best Leaf post ever"
05 Jul 2014 02:52:53
What if oilers trade lander and 2nd rd pk for mike Richards LA kings?
Oilers if needed could use buyout and resign him.
You can't buy out a player and then re-sign him. Not allowed. I'm hoping the Oilers trade for Berglund out of STL if its feasible. I wouldn't like the suggested trade of Petry for Berglund because that solves one problem and creates another, but if STL were to accept something like Lander and a pick (not a 1st) then I'd be all for it. Otherwise, I'd be a-ok with taking on Peter Mueller for a year or two. He should be cheap to sign since he's been out of the NHL for a bit, and he would likely be ok with signing short-term to build up his value to sign a bigger contract down the road, whether it's with the Oilers or someone else. Oilers get a decent 2nd line C and can then take pressure off Draisaitl by playing him on the 3rd line instead.
Less desirable but still helpful scenario: sign Ribeiro. He's got game, but apparently a poor attitude so not sure I'd want that in the dressing room. Still likely better than a gaping hole at 2nd line C and/or rushing Draisaitl.
IMO the Oilers should just wait and see what they got in their hands right now. I mean they're obviously not Stanley Cup material, but you have so many great pieces to work with. If I was the GM I would sign some depth players to take the pressure off of the young guns.
25 Jun 2014 06:55:16
My Penguins Offseason Plans
Rutherfurd has announced a few untouchables:
The main goal for me would be to give Crosby that first line RW to play with and strengthen our bottom six. They are saying that the Pens will have the busiest offseason!
In order to do that, we must resign:
Sutter 5yrs/20mil (4mil cap)
Goc 2yrs/4mil (2mil cap)
Gibbons 2yrs/1.8mil (900k cap)
Megna 2yrs/1.8mil (900k cap)
Although I like Glass, he is an old dog and will not be needed. Adams will be an extra (one year left on his contract).
Trade 1: For Grit
To LA: Scuderi, 2nd 2016
To Pens: Clifford
With the Gaborik deal closing in, Clifford playing 4th line in the last month of the regular season and all of the playoffs, and a need for a bottom six defenceman. This is perfect for the LA kings. They also pick up a second round pick in 2016!
Trade 2: For Geno
To WPG: Neal
To PENS: Kane
Pens get a great player to replace Jokinen on the second line LW. WPG gets a player who goes all out every game and is a 30-40 goal scorer.
Trade 3: For Sid
To EDM: Martin, Bennett, 22nd ovr,
To Pens: Yakupov
More than enough for Yak. They get an instant replacement in Bennett (who's ceiling isn't as high), a top 2 dman, and a 22nd overall.
Depres 3yrs/4mil (1.33mil cap)
Kulemin 3yrs/10.5mil (3.5mil cap)
Meszaros 3yrs/12mil (4mil cap)
Brodeur 1yr/1mil w/ bonuses (he has had a GREAT career, why not end it with a cup. He is good friends with sid and doesn't seem like the kind of guy to care about salary in his final season. he wants a cup, not a cheque)
Scott Harrington (Coming off of a GREAT season with WBS, he was one of the best defenseman with over 40 points. Great stay at home Dman)
Derrick Pouliot (Offensive threat. CHL defenseman of the year. He is our BEST prospect and is now NHL ready)
Simone Depres (6 foot 4 who didn't get along with Bylsma, do not be surprised to see him play a big role)
Opening Night vs Anaheim (Mighty) Ducks:
Defence is young but they are ready.
Bottom six looks solid
Sid playing with a fairly high potential RW and I love kunitz.
Malkin playing with friend Kulemin and a great player in Kane.
9 million in cap space. AWESOME. I should be the new GM. Rutherfurd can't even pick a coach!
25 Jun 2014 13:46:14
In no world is there still 9 mil cap space.
I may be a bit of a homer but, I rather have Kane than Neal, Probably because of his age, but the value is good
I'm not sure why you want Yak so bad. Every post you're trading for him. He's talented but doesn't play a team game, like Semin. And WAY to much for Mezaros. term and $
20 Jun 2014 19:27:14
Brad Richards have been Bought out Top Teams interested and that he would be interested in goes like this:
1 LA KINGS
2 MAPLE LEAFS
Why would kings or flyers be interested in him and why would he be interested in the leafs or sens? Flyers and kimgs very deep in the middle and he'd wanna go to a winner since he's almost done so that takes sens out. Toronto would pursue him to be a top line guy which he isn't and he would be under a lot of media scrutiny and pressure
Brad Richards "has" been bought out.
He wants to go to a winner so that takes the sens out? Should take out the leafs philly and the stars ten as well because they aren't close either
He wants to go to a winner so exclude the Leafs, Flyers and Senators. The Kings and Blues don't need him so that leaves the Ducks.
Phillis a D or 2 away
NO interest at all from philly. Give your head a shake
^ I'm sure you could make the "he wants to go to a winner" argument for every player In the world, yet every year FA don't all flock to one or two teams. With this said, Anaheim makes sense. I wouldn't count Toronto out, they wanted him bad before - may push now
Richards won't go to Anaheim
Why would tor want him he didn't want come last time
Who's shaking who's head
What are you guys talking about? The flyers are a winner. Maybe not the stanley cup but they have been in the playoffs 17 of the last 19 years. And yea the flyers would have no interest in him. They already have enough centers
He wants another cup so that eliminates the Leafs and Sens. He stated before he has no interest in the leafs.
Tb is also up there
18 Jun 2014 02:17:49
Sharks Roster 2014-2015 Season
Sharp - Kesler - Pavelski
Hertl - Couture - Stafford
Nieto - Wingels - Kennedy
Torres - Sheppard - Brown
Vlasic - Burns
Stuart - Demers
Oduya - Braun
RESIGN: Jason Demers (D), Tommy Wingels (C), James Sheppard (C), Ryan Miller (G)
� Joe Thornton (C), Matt Irwin (D) to CHI for Patrick Sharp (LW) and Johnny Oduya (D)
� THREE WAY TRADE
� Patrick Marleau (LW) to STL for Rights to Patrik Berglund (C), Ian Cole (D) and Rights to Ryan Miller (G)
� THEN, Rights to Patrik Berglund (C), Ian Cole (D), Antti Niemi (G) and a 4th round pick in 2015 to VAN for Ryan Kesler (C)
� Adam Burish (RW) to NYI for a 3rd round pick in 2014
� Martin Havlat (RW) and a 3rd round pick in 2015 to BUF for Drew Stafford (RW)
I hope my Sharks won't choke with this realistic, cup contending team. First, Sharks need a goalie who can win them a game every so often. Ryan Miller indicated he wanted to play in the West Coast so this is perfect. Sharks need to move Thornton, Marleau and Niemi. I like the deal I made with Chicago because Jumbo will actually wave his NTC to play for a cup contender like the Blackhawks. Sharks get back a good winger, Patrick Sharp and Johnny Oduya, who's on his last year of contract. This moves benefits both sides because Hawks free up some cap room and get the perfect number 2 center that they need and they get a top 6 D that fills in for Oduya. Win-win deal for both sides. Next, the three way deal. It took me some time to put this all together, but in the end, all three teams benefit. Part 1), Blues need snipers, scorers, whatever you want to call them. They're built with too many grinders. So, they can get Patrick Marleau, who will fit great in the Blues defensive system, similar to Gaborik playing in Los Angeles. Sharks get back the Rights to a big #2/3 center, Patrik Berglund, top 6 D Ian Cole and Ryan Miller's Rights. Sharks take Berglund and Cole for Part 2), only thing they keep are Miller's rights, which is good for them as I said before. Miller can really help this Sharks team that is close to a cup. Win-win deal once again. Now Part 2), Vancouver indicated they want a NHL ready centerman back in the deal for Ryan Kesler, so here's how I see it. Canucks get their NHL ready center, Berglund, who can play 2nd line with Swedish friend Hansen. They also get Cole, a top six defenseman to help out the young goaltenders. Last, Canucks should really consider loaning Antti Niemi for a season (his contract expires next year). Canucks need a veteran goalie to split the games with Lack (Markstrom should be in minors) so that Canucks can actually have a chance to do something next year. I tossed in a 4th to even out the value. This is a good deal for Canucks and Sharks, Sharks get another top 2 centerman to rotate with Couture. I believe Kesler would wave his NTC to come to San Jose because they are cup conternders and he can play with American buddy Joe Pavelski. Another win-win deal. Burish doesn't fit in on San Jose's team, so I set up a trade to Islanders because they need more grit in the bottom six, especially since I think they will be a playoff team next season. Last trade, Havlat and a 3rd for Stafford. Sabres can afford Havlat for one season, maybe he gets them 15-20 goals as a stretch. Sharks get Stafford, who can be really effective with Couture and the Sharks on the 2nd line, or 1B line.
I know I wrote a whole novel, but it's what I have to do so people can understand what I'm doing what I am. If there's any slight value unfairness let me know. This is VERY reasonable. Nothing unrealistic. I made deals where both teams benefit. Please give me some feedback.
Anaheim will offer better for kesler
Kesler is not a top center
Rights won't get you Kesler
I think he is trying to say that the sharks will have a good season with these "even" trades!
I didn't read it, just predicting :)
Makes sense, good deals for those all teams involved, just too much to go through as a gm, this just won't happen way too much stuff going on. Ducks can give better for Kesler like someone mentioned.
Probably took this guy 5 min to write that. At least it all makes sense, I like how someone is actually trying to make deals that benefit both teams involved.
I'm sorry to say this, but I love the Blackhawks trade. As a Hawks fan we need a 2 line center for Kane. Reports I read in Chicago papers is Kane wants 2nd line center that's legit or he goes and walks after next season. Shaw is a perfect 3rd line center
The guy prob writes an essay so that all the dummies can get why he's doing what he is. If it's NHL 14 This happens, if General managers had guts this would happen
As a Blackhawks fan, I am praying that this happens!!
Kesler isn't a top C.
You are absolutely correct about BUF taking on salaries and Tim Murray has indicated that he is VERY interested with executing this concept. So BUF helps SJS greatly reduce their cap space, get younger, tougher and better. SJS trades 1st & 3rd 2015; Brad Stuart (34 yo, 11 pts, $3. 6MM); Martin Havlat (33 yo, 22 pts, $5MM); Tyler Kennedy (27 yo, 17 pts, $2, 350M/1 yr) to BUF for; DL Mike Weber (25 yo, 9 pts, $1. 7MM); FL-Cory Conacher (23 yo, 26 pts $. 9MM); & FL Marcus Foligno (22 yo, 19 pts, $. 9MM). Weber> Brad Stuart’s ($2MM savings); Conacher>> Havlat ($4MM savings); and Foligno >> Kennedy ($1. 5MM savings). Sharks improve at 3 positions, and reduce the cap by over $7. 5MM which just about what the Sharks would need to sign Miller. BUF gets to build for the future with a couple of picks (BUF takes Havlat, Stuart & Kennedy ONLY to help reduce SJS cap hit, help BUF reach the cap floor and provide three place holders
Someone indicated they could not read the trade with all of the brackets. SJS trades 1st & 3rd 2015; Brad Stuart; Martin Havlat; Tyler Kennedy to BUF for; DL Mike Weber; FL-Cory Conacher; & FL Marcus Foligno. As always, I appreciated feedback.
How can you disagree with my Kane leaves if we don't get a legit 2nd line center like I've read.
1) guy who said "as a blackhawks fan, I am praying this happens!" is it an overpayment by sharks or do you just like that u get thornton?
2) I totally agree with "kane walks if they don't get a second center" shaw isn't a second center let's be honest, and if kane isn't going to be playing with toews that he should go to a new team
3) guy with the buffalo comment : do you really think buffalo takes on all those guys? I like stuart cause he's tough so I wouldn't dump him, but havlat, kennedy, niemi and burish are all wasted salaries. I like marcus floigno on this sharks team but I don't like conacher. too small to play in the west, especially pacific division
18 Jun 2014 00:07:46
Sens Roster 2014-2015 Season
Ryan Richards Michalek
MacArthur Turris Zibanejad
Hoffmann Smith Stone
Prince Pageau Neil
Anderson/Lehner (whoever is on a hot streak plays. )
RESIGN: Mike Hoffmann (LW), Robin Lehner (G), Milan Michalek (RW), Eric Gryba (D)
� Jason Spezza (C) and Patrick Wiercioch (D) to STL for Kevin Shattenkirk and Ty Rattie
� Erik Condra (RW), Matt Puempel (LW, Prospect) and 2015 2nd Round pick to LAK for Mike Richards (C)
� Michalek signs for max of 2 years 7 million or 3 years 10 million
This Sens team cracks a playoff position next season, in my opinion. Blues get their offensive number 1 center in Spezza and an offensive asset in the back end in Wiercioch. Sens get back a top four two way D in Shattenkirk, who will help with Sens' defensive issues. Sens also get good scoring prospect Ty Rattie. In the second deal, Kings get a fourth line RW that is a PK specialist, will help add on do the Kings' depth, which is already insane. They also get a good scoring prospect in Matt Puempel, along with a second round pick in 2015. Sens get an underrated centerman in Mike Richards, who was hidden on the fourth line on the Kings' powerhouse lineup. He is better than most think. His defensive game would help out the Sens, and they get him for a low price, since LA has to move him. Potentially make the 2nd into a 1st, depending on what people think. I think Puempel, Condra and a 2nd is enough value personally, but if there's any issues, swap it for a first and it's a done deal. Let me know what you think.
Wow ottawa says no way on the Richards deal. They aren't a cup contender so shouldn't be moving good prospects like peumpel or high draft picks, especially in such a deep draft.
@ct. But we have Rattie, Prince, Lazar and others. sens can be contenders in two, three years with this team and their prospects. Which other center up for grabs can sens realistically get that's actually good?
Spezza is going to st. louis for Berglund, Polak and Rattie. If Murray and negotiate a 2nd and 3rd rd pick from Armstrong then that might be added but those are the pieces that are moving. Polak or Ian Cole armstrong ain't disecting his core for a 2nd line centre on his club
Switch puemple for Prince maybe?
He is not trading Rattie
All do respect to David Backes and St. Louis, but if they do acquire Spezza he'd be there # 1 center and offensive catalyst in the forward position. That's what the Blues lacked big time in the playoffs. David Backes is an exceptional player, but his offensive skill set isn't what he can do in the offensive game, what makes him a good player is his 200ft game and his grittiness and toughness. He is a very good second line player, maybe one of the best. But he cannot but a team on his back and lead the way offensively. By having Spezza there the opposition will undoubtably match there best defensive pairing against Spezza not Backes.
17 Jun 2014 01:51:16
Let's have some fun!
Montreal Canadiens Off-Season (2014)
Trade the day before draft:
G - Dustin Tokarski
LW - Rene Bourque
C - Danny Briere
3rd Round Pick (2014)
RW - Kyle Okposo
LW - Eric Boulton
Why is this believable nay-sayers?
Simple, all teams/players involved address their concerns.
For NYI it addresses 2 concerns. First, goaltending. Tokarski in the mix, they have a back-up that can challenge Halak. Nilsson is in the KHL and Poulin has been disappointing. Tokarski should get 25 games; Halak the rest.
Secondly, a veteran dressing room. The Islanders are one of the youngest teams in the NHL. Excluding Visnovsky and Boyle, a lot of youth with marginal leadership and playoff experience. In one trade, they acquire two veterans in Bourque and Briere that address the issue. Bourque on the 2nd line with Bailey and Grabner; Briere on the third line with Strome and Clutterbuck.
For MTL it addresses 5 concerns.
First, and most importantly, the Habs acquire a potential 30-goal scorer. The Habs biggest problem is not their size or their defense (just ask Lucic and the cry baby Bruins); the correct answer is scoring. Only Pacioretty had more than 30 goals. Having Okposo on the 2nd line with Plekanec should produce 2 more 30-goal scorers.
Secondly, a little thing called a goalie controversy. Anyone who thinks Habs should keep Tokarski should pound sand. He deserves an opportunity to earn his stripes on another team. But most importantly, it maintains the Price-Budaj dynamic that make the goalie situation in Montreal so strong.
Just ask Halak in 2010.
Third, Trade Value. Tokarski and Bourques trade value is exceptionally high right now after this recent playoff run. With their trade value so high, there's no requirement to afford the Isles with a 1st round pick. Dead Serious.
Fourth, the Economics. The Habs save 4 mill in cap space. Need to sign Subban, Markov, Gionta, Weaver, etc. etc.
5th, the Enforcer. Parros out/Boulton in. Habs save 300k and a whole lot of moustache cream.
For the players involved, the only hurdle are Bourque and Brieres No Movement Clauses. But it's a simple sell. If they stay in MTL, they will continue to be healthy scratches. They would want to play 82 games at Barclay Centre vs. 60-65 games in the Bell Centre.
For Okposo and Boulton, a chance to win a Cup.
For Tokarski, a chance to earn a starting job.
For Halak, the motivation to play better.
Montreal will draft in 1st round, 4th Round, 5th Round and 6th Round. Isles have 2nd and 3rd Round Picks (Vanek and Okposo trade)
Off-Season UFA signings:
RW - Paul Stastny (5yr - 35 mil)
Why Paul Stastny? Simple, another 30 goal scorer. Put him on the 1st line with Pacioretty and now you have 4 30-goal scorers. Oh by the way, Pacioretty and Stastny played together for Team USA in the Olympics.
Gionta (2yr - 8 mil)
Markov (1yr - 5.5 mil)
Weaver (2yr - 2.8 mil)
Off-season RFA signings:
Subban (8yr - 60 mil)
My gut tells me that Subbans camp and Bergevins camp are a million dollars a year apart on talks. If I could take my Delorean back to 2012, I would have tore up that 'bridge' contract and given Subban what he wanted (8yr - 40 mil). Would you like fries with that?
Bergevin could easily compare Subban to Doughty (7mil a yr), Subban wants 8 mil a year; now that's silly.
They'll meet in the middle. I hope.
Eller (3yr - 6. 75 mil)
Weise (3yr - 3 mil)
White (1yr - 700k)
UFA departures, adios boys:
Vanek, Parros, Murray, Boullion
Line Combinations for (2014/15)
Pacioretty - Desharnais - Stastny
Gallagher - Plekanec - Okposo
Prust - Gionta - Galchenyuk
Moen - Eller - Weise
(Boulton) - (Bournival) - (White)
Subban - Markov
Gorges - Emelin
Weaver - Beaulieu
(Tinordi) - (Pateryn)
Price - Budaj
Estimate Team Salary - 69.4 million
Four 30-goal scorers along with a Vezina and Jack Adams Trophy winner for 2014/15.
Now that's a team that would make it to the Cup finals and lose to the Kings or Hawks in 5 games
Give me your thoughts?
Let's have some fun. Go HABS Go
Okposo is not getting moved, especially for the junk you are proposing.
I wish as a hab fan. But Marc Bergevin will never do this.
Eller and Subban both get paid more. Some teams may pay more for statsny. You want a first line winger for two cap dumps and goalie prospect? Nope that doesn't happen either. Now your cap doesn't work so basically it all doesn't work. A back up can be signed this offseason or obtained from a different team for a much lower price tag.
Keep dreaming. That's something we would pull off in NHL 14.
They should let Gionta walk.
I gave u an agree for your effort to put all that up
Try hugs, not drugs. Bourque's value is exceptionally high yet he'll be a healthy scratch if he stays in Montreal? So every team wants him but he's not good enough for the habs? Is he too tall? Stastny is a natural center, if he played wing in the Olympics it's because there were too many centers. The 4 guys you're referring to as 30 goal scorers is a stretch. That was your chance to win a cup, it's gone now. Beating the Bruins sure went straight to the head
So how about we say
Clarkson, Holland, Rynnas
Quantity doesn't equal quality
So it address's 5 Mtl concerns and only 1 NYI. They have leadership
Unbelievable, all the player leaving Montreal are garbage players, please keep your garbage players nobody wants them not even you guys.
^^difference is teams would rather have Briere, Bourque and draft pics than get stuck with Clarkson and two AHLers.
Haha nobody wants Briere and bourque not even you guys.
Nope. You can't trade scraps for okposo.
12 Jun 2014 01:32:35
I know this may not happen but is this reasonable:
Weiss, 3rd 2014
Los Angeles Trades:
This is just a base. I think this benefits Detroit in getting the 2nd line center who can fit in the system with experience and some two-way play. L. A dumps some Cap and can use Weiss as a reasonable fourth line C or higher at their choosing. Maybe use Weiss as a wing and Detroit adds Andersson to give kings a 4th line C. I believe Detroit could use a guy like Richards to be the filler of the Fillipula gap.
Then after this is done:
Helm, Kindl, 2nd 2014
Rights to Niskanen
Conditional 4th (6th if Niskanen doesn't re-sign)
In this deal Detroit, gets a right-handed D, clears forward glut and adds to defensive prospect which is where Pittsburgh has extra. Pittsburgh gets a solid two way center with speed and a reliable young D and a higher 2nd round pick.
Detroit signs Niskanen 3 years (5 million with bonuses)
Detroit's new line-up:
Ex. Harrington, Ouelltte, Sproul
Gives young guys a chance while filling needs. Detroit still keeps their first. I know these deals may not happen but this would be a good line-up to make them at least playoff contenders. What will it take to make it work?
Does it cost more to get Richards?
Does it cost more for Wings in Pens Trade?
Who needs to add? Comment please
You know that ain't half bad, I think mayb e that the Pittsburgh one is a little shaky but the Richards deal isn't half bad. I feel like that deal is missing something though
I think the Kings will rather buy out Mike Richards than take another bad contract in Weiss. That's more counter productive.
-Realistic Leafs fan
Helm is not going anywhere. He is to important to the wings with his speed.
Not a chance that Detroit parts ways with Helm.
09 Jun 2014 23:18:44
A markov sign to a good three year deal with a good salary for tyler toffoli and a 2015 late second round pick for los angeles!
i think that markov can still be a solid number 2 d man
IF this deal involved the same players it would be: Toffoli for Markov++++.
35 y o d-man for a young tearing it up? Plus a 2nd?! Especially considering LA needs offence not defence?! Bad all around, smh
^ you clearly don't know hockey, 35 or not he is still a top talent d man which all teams want. Edm offered a crazy package for him for Habs to turn down as well kings offered tofflie and muzin or Clifford for him. Stop being just a lil hater and understand good players and understand the game, but I your case I wouldn't even try cause you seem hopeless
L. A have lots of old fart d. Greene, Mitchell, Regher
Would take a ton more then markov to get that kid he's looking real good
09 Jun 2014 21:45:07
to Dallas: Richards retained to 4m/y
to Los Angeles: Patrick Nemeth and Brett Ritchie
09 Jun 2014 19:18:54
Flyers Offseason Plans:
1. ) Trade Scott Hartnell, Braydon Coburn, 2014 2nd Rd Pick, 2014 4th Rd Pick to Anaheim for Luca Sbisa.
Analysis: If I had my druthers, I'd much rather see the Flyers land Lindholm, but I don't believe the Ducks are willing to part with him. With that said, this deal makes sense for both sides. The Flyers are in need of a young, energetic, puck moving defender, and Sbisa fits that mold. On the other hand, the Ducks need a big-bodied presence on the wing. The only big body they have is Getzlaf. While Hartnell is and older player with some serious wear and tear. Coburn is a solid defender, and should fit in nicely with the Ducks system. I feel that the 2nd and 4th rd picks in this year's draft will make up for any gaps between talent.
2. ) Trade Vinny Lecavailer to Nashville for 2014 3rd Rd Pick
Analysis: Vinny can still play, there's just no room for him in Philly. Lavy went to bat and brought him into Philly. It would only make sense for Lavy to go bat for him again.
3. ) Trade 2015 Cond. 3rd Rd Pick to Pittsburgh for rights to Matt Niskanen (3rd becomes 2nd if Flyers make ECF)
Analysis: Simply put. Pittsburgh can't afford to lost Niskanen for nothing. The Pens would be getting a decent draft pick for a guy that may not have re-signed with them anyways.
4. ) Trade Matt Read to Los Angeles for Kyle Clifford, 2014 4th Rd Pick
Analysis: Matt Read reminds me a lot of Jeff Carter. Talented, yet unable to perform in a structured system. Carter didn't begin to thrive until he hit LA and started playing in their Run N Gun system. I feel Read would break very similarly to Carter. Clifford is one of those players that is vital to building a cup winning team. He can do everything. score, dish the puck, get dirty and fight for the puck in the corner, etc. You name it, he can do it. Granted, his scoring isn't as often as the likes of Read. but, he has heart, passion, and will leave everything on the ice just to win. The Fyers need a player like that
Re-Signings: (Roughly $27. 8 Million Available)
1) Brayden Schenn- 4 Years, $15. 5 Million
2) Tye McGinn- 3 Years, $4 Million
3) Jason Akeson- 5 Years, $7 Million
4) Marc-Andre Bourdon- 1 Year, $700k
1. ) Matt Niskanen- 5 Years, $30 Million
2. ) Matt Moulson- 4 Years, $18 Million
3. ) Thomas Greiss- 2 Years, $1. 8 Million
4. ) Adam Hall- 3 Years, $4 Million
5. ) Danny Cleary- 2 Years, $2. 75 Million
1. ) Tye McGinn
2. ) Jason Akeson
3. ) Marc-Andre Bourdon
4. ) Oliver Lauridsen
Left over cap room: Roughly $5 Million
Solid proposal, no rubbishtin´no overvalueing. And some of them could happen. Congrats from a Pens-fan.
Moulson and Greiss will get more than 4. 5 and 0. 9 per
Run n Gun? because they score so many goals huh, lol
Kings are a D first team
Thats a lot going to Anaheim for 1 player. Bourdon has post concussion symptoms and cleary clearly didn't want to play for the flyers last season. sign moulson for 4 years 20 mil
And one last thing switch grossman and Macdonald on your lines
09 Jun 2014 01:27:22
montreal: tomas plecanek for
detroit: Anthony mantha
AND CHOOSE between the 2 :they sign markov after
for a good deal of 3 years
so that we trade him for los angeles tyler toffoli
montreal trade georges to Edmonton for darnel nurse
Pleky won't get you mantha, nor will gorges get you nurse.
Nurse will be a stud. They wouldn't trade him for Gorges.
No way u get either for that need to add on both
09 Jun 2014 03:39:45
Vancouver: Franzen Lashoff and a third round pick.
Detroit: Kesler Elder and a fifth round pick and a conditional pick in 2015.
Detroit should make offers on
Vanek - $6. 25 million for 3-4 yrs
Stastny -$5 million for 5 years
Niskanen - $ 5.5 million for 3 yrs
Markov - $4 million for 2 yrs ( because someone will over pay Niskanen) I. e. a non-playoff team!
ZBERG- DATSYUK- VANEK
DEKEYSER - KINDL
LASHOFF - OUELLET
ZBERG-DATSYUK-MANTHA/HORNQVIST ( Z DOWN, NYQ UP)
Yeah but georges can bring you leadership in a team with a lot of loose potential!
If you guys want Mantha it will cost you Galchenyuk and a good prospect.
How did you trade Franzen twice
Man that hasn't proven anything in the nhl. If you think Montreal would trade galchenyuk for mantha then you should watch some hockey.
Agreed with that galchenyuk is going to be an elite player in a few years
10 Jun 2014 05:05:48
No mantha will become a way better player then galchenyk
Galchenyuk hasn't done anything yet until he does enough with the " galchenyuk is great " talk.
09 Jun 2014 00:17:52
St. Louis Trades:
'14 1st round pick
'16 3rd round pick
Los Angeles Trades:
Sign: Moulson 4 years x 5 million
Macarthur Turris Ryan
Hoffman Richards Moulson
Lazar Zibanejad Stone
Greening Smith Neil
Id want jaskin over paajarvi
Stl takes it and runs
I like the stl trade if its jaskin over paajarvi. Doubt if moulson comes to ottawa.
I'd want Sobotka over Berglund and Jaskin over Pajaarvi-Svensson. Also don't want Moulson. Go after Callahan instead.
04 Jun 2014 05:04:04
I just read a scoop for those who had requested that the Leaf get Mike Richards, that he may get buyout by the Kings after the post season is over and that the Leaf are very interested to get is service via a contract or a trade.
Heard a buyout is just about guaranteed. don't think leafs would touch that contract with a 10 foot pole
Why would Richards from the Kings get bought out? They are not true rumours. Brad Richards of the Rangers may get bought out though
^because he's playing on their 3rd/4th line and has like 7 more years of 5+ million
Both of them might get bought out.
If I were the Leafs I'd rather have Richards, a proven winner, leadership and can be the captain Leafs need. I would take his contract and leadership over Phaneuf's any day. He can play on the 3rd day on Leafs. why not.
I doubt Richards is bought out he will be traded for low value probably in the neighborhood of 2 2nd round picks but its a dump on LA's part.
Playing on the 3rd and 4th line because he is on a team that has Kopitar, Carter and Stoll. He is and can play on the second line and produce, but he's buying to sutter's system and being a team player. As for Brad Richards he has only had a bad playoffs last year. He's 4th in scoring on the rangers only 2 points from being 1st. Everything that is being said^ is complete non sense.
Leafs need a guy like richards on and off ice. Leafs need a captain/ leader.
I was not a surprise to hear Brad Richards name to be a candidate to be buy out this off season but Mike Richards I was surprised to hear is name in the list, maybe because he as strugle all season long and he not a factor on Kings succes this post season
If richards gets bought out, leafs can sign him to a new contract. But I doubt this will happen, some other team will provide him with a better contract.
03 Jun 2014 09:58:55
UFA Offseason predictions:
Gaborik: Los Angeles
D. Boyle: Senators
Zidlicky just sigmed with the devils
Canucks don't have cap space for Hiller when Lack just as good. Notice Zadlicky stays put so those signings don't work although most make sense.
31 May 2014 19:56:23
From what I've heard I think the kings are most likely going to buyout mike Richards he's not the same dynamic player as he was and has a bad contract.
I expect ottawa is going to have a big off season and if Richards is bought out the SENS should jump all over it
My Sens offseason
Trade spezza gryba greening and a 3rd 2015 for ror
Sign d Boyle 1y 4mill
Sign mike Richards 4y 24mill
Sign d penner 2y 4mill
Sign oreily 6year 42mill
Mac Turris ryan
Oreilly Richards zbad
Penner smith Neil
Hoffman lazar condra
COL has no need for Spezza with MacK, Duchene and maybe Stastny
I like Mike Richards and all but, he is making on average per season 5. 75. IMO over paid for what his production has been the past two seasons. It made sense when he signed that contract because he was a nearly a point per game guy who scored 30 goals a season. If he is bought out why in gods name would Ottawa, who's owner is incredibly frugal with his money, spend $6. 0/year for a player who is now a third line center who's been averaging 35-40 pts a season. Makes no sense what so ever.
Buying out richards is just dumb.
there's a lot of teams who'd take him and be willing to give LA little to no cap back if that's what they're going for.
30 May 2014 23:15:28
To TBL: 8th overall
To TOR: 19th and 29th/30th (Via Rangers) overall picks
To TOR: Yandle
To PHX: 19th overall pick and Gunnarsson
To TOR: 24th overall pick and 3rd round pick 2015 (Via Edmonton)
To ANA: 29th/30th overall pick and 2nd 2105
Then Toronto drafts Rowland McKeown, Defencemen, Kingston (OHL)
If Yandle were that easy to get, Edm would use 3rd overall for Yandle and a forward player or prospect. No chance the leafs get Yandle for that.
TB has the Rangers pick in 2015 not 14
They have both rangers pick because the 2014 pick is given to tampa if nyr make the conference finals
29 May 2014 16:06:54
1. ) Trade Vincent Lecavailer to Nashville for a 2014 4th Rd Pick
Reasoning: While it's possible that Vinny is worth more, the contract he has, paired with his age is a bad combo. Laviolette was the one who went to bat and brought Vinny to Philly. I'm sure that Lavy would love to bring his veteran leadership to the Music City.
2. ) Extend Brayden Schenn- 4 Years, $16 Milion
Reasoning: Schenn is going to be a vital part of this teams future. He has the talent, and skills. He just has to polish them, and become more mature.
3. ) Draft Aaron Irving #17 (D/Edmonton Oil Kings)
Reasoning: Very solid two-way game. He has good puck moving skills and can make the pass, but also isn't afraid to lug the puck into the zone. Perhaps, his most attractive quality is his physicality/edge.
4. ) Sign Matt Niskanen- 6 Years, $33 Million
Reasoning: Niskanen is one of the rare, right-handed shooting defenders in the league. He has a good two-way game. He can be a stay at home defender, but isn't afraid to fire a rocket from the point. He's the exact type of defender that Philly needs. Physical, Quick, Good defensive skills, and Good offensive skills.
5. ) Sign Thomas Vanek- 6 Years, $43. 25 Million
Reasoning: The Flyers desperately need a top line left winger/scorer. While Vanek is pricey, he can back it up. He's a talented player, with an incredible motor and fantastic shot. It's entirely possible that he could wind up in Minny. But, that's only if they want him. I see Philly ending up with either Vanek or Moulson.
6. ) Sign Thomas Greiss- 2 Years, $1. 6 Million
Reasoning: Very solid backup.
7. ) Recall Scott Laughton/Nick Cousins
Reasoning: I personally feel that the OHL All-Star Laughton is the likely pick here. He is a big bodied center, with a good two-way game. It also helps that he's not afraid to get chippy on the ice. I thinks he ready to make the jump after two impressive seasons in the OHL.
8. ) Shayne Gostisbehere wins defensive job in training camp
Reasoning: He's not the Frozen Four MVP for nothing. Ghost has great hockey IQ and is wise beyond his experience. He played outstanding all year long for Union, and I believe he'll make an immediate jump after getting some experience with the Phantoms last year. Very similar player to Niskanen.
9. ) Place Pronger on LTIR once season starts
Cap Space Left: Approximately $-3. 1 (Counting 10% over cap space & Pronger's LTIR)
Not saying this makes them an instant cup contender, but it does address some of the weak spots from last season.
Pretty sure pronger has been on the LTIR for a while now lol
Irving could be a major sleeper in this draft
Vanek has to be with the right linemates, guys who will get their noses dirty because Vanek won't. You can have him.
Like it; great job! Personally I would think PHI takes Moulson over Vanek but they have to fill that spot in a big way that´s right. Greiss and Niskanen are very good additions, but I do not think that he will return his numbers he made with the Pens this year (last year tons of Pens-fans saying he is to soft and not good enough at their own end). He will be overpaid for sure during the FA.
Anybody who signs these seven million dollar men will regret it soonest. Includes Gaborik, The (ageless) Iginla, That complete dud Dany Heatly. This list goes on.
29 May 2014 11:36:20
Toronto: Phaneuf and Kadri
LA Kings: Doughty
Toronto: Clarkson and Reimer
New Jersey: Steve Bernier and Henrique
Buffalo: 2nd rounder
LA adds Kopitar and QUick
NJ adds Schneider and Larsson
Buffalo adds 3 1sts
some of the dumbest trades I've seen in a while
24 yo, 47 NHL games, 3 NHL points, just does not seem to add to even a 5th round pick.
2012-Feb-27 Toronto Maple Leafs traded Keith Aulie (a 4th round pick) to Tampa Bay Lightning for Carter Ashton. Now two years later Ashton has has progress to the point he is worth a 2nd. You probably wonder why there are so many Leaf Haters out there who undervalue every Leaf player. (SBR 2017)
Each team would have to give the Leafs a first or there is no deal. Doughty Henrique and Bernier are not that good. Phaneuf is the best Dman in the league and Reimer is an all star goalie. Clarkson is almost as good as Gretzky
Toronto has to give more in each of those deals.
All three are laughable but Ashton for a second is just ridiculous. Try a fifth maybe.
Never in a million years. If you are watching the playoffs, then you should understand the difference between a true #1 D and phenuf. Phenuf is good, but no comparison to doughty.
Doughty to Toronto? Nor for the entire Leaf team. unless you threw in the team bank account of at least 200 million. Too much humidity in TO. People can't think
Ashton's whole zero career NHL goals and Sabres give a 2nd? Try buffalo is rebuilding and a guy like Ashton wouldn't be on their radar. nor any other teams unless you need a cheap plug for 18 skaters.
Okay chill, doughty is great but he's not a god. Get off his piece. Leafs won't trade for doughty cause it would involve a dece amount going to la. Look into a team like chicago who will have cap problems and won't highly evaluate their players like la will with doughty.
Hey, Phaneuf is merely OK. at $4. 5. Doughty made be best in NHL at his position
Nonis obviously thought Phaneuf was GOD only 5 months ago.
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