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17 Jan 2019 02:22:41
Det: Nick Jensen, Thomas Vanek (if he waives no trade)

Tor: Nikita Ziatsev, Connor Brown, 2019 2nd, conditional 3rd (if Jensen resigns it's a third, if he doesn't it's a 5th)


1.) 17 Jan 2019 03:29:08



12 Jan 2019 03:10:08
Carolina: Dougie Hamilton

Toronto: Connor Brown, Jake Gardiner


1.) 12 Jan 2019 08:23:52
How about

Canes ferland DE Han

Tor Morgan Reilly.

2.) 12 Jan 2019 20:43:32
People say Hamilton has been Mis utilized on Carolina but the reality is he has gotten a lot of opportunities on the pp and offensive zone opportunities and hasn’t capitalized on the chances he has 16 points as an primary offensive deffensman. Jake Gardiner has 22 points as a secondary offensive deffensman. Hamilton=Tyler Myers 2.0.

3.) 12 Jan 2019 21:28:48
Hamilton is Myers 2.0? Myers was never even close to as offensive as Hamilton has been throughout his career. You talk out your ass with these things you say like bruh.



10 Jan 2019 02:42:30
I'm not a Sens fan or Oilers fan so if I'm misjudging talent sorry in advance.

With that being said, I feel like an Oilers Sens trade could work really well. If the Sens are unable to sign Mark Stone, they need to trade him to bring in as many assets as possible. The Oilers are in desperate, and I mean desperate, need of everything except for centres and maybe goalies.

Edm: Puljujärvi, 1st rounder 2019, and either a prospect like Bear or Bouchard or RNH.

Sens: Mark Stone, maybe a Dman?

The Sens are clearly not willing to let Puljujärvi properly develop and I get the feeling they are getting a little tired of RNH so I think they could be stolen in a trade. Edmonton and the sens will both be desperate at this point and it could work for both teams. I'm having the oilers overpay a little here because I think that they are in worse situation. Ottawa at least has okay prospects and are able to blow it up.

Let me know what you think. As I said I'm not a fan of either team so I don't watch them that much.


1.) 10 Jan 2019 05:55:42
Cap might work if nuge is in the deal but the oilers don't make the trade unless stone agrees to a new deal. Nuge puljujarvi and bear maybe a 2nd for stone (signed) seems ok to me.

2.) 10 Jan 2019 13:21:59
Definitely not Bouchard or Nuge added on that. I think stone would be gross with McDavid.

3.) 10 Jan 2019 14:18:41
I like stone but that seems like an awful lot, signed or not imo.

4.) 10 Jan 2019 15:23:53
Holy that’s way too much for stone especially UFA at the end of the year.

5.) 10 Jan 2019 17:18:33
I probably should have added that I'm not sure if he would be signed or not for this deal. If he isn't signed it's probably a bit much.



19 Dec 2018 02:18:27
I don't think people are giving Zaitsev enough credit. He is at least a serviceable top 6 guy on a bad contract. That being said, he is the perfect player for a team who wants to rebuild desperately. He is on a big contract so it allows the tanking team to acquire a draft pick and have someone who could do something and fill up cap space to allow for as many rookies as possible to bring in. This makes him the perfect player for a team like St Louis or the Rangers to bring in to go full rebuild mode for the foreseeable future. It also allows them to have someone to replace a player that could then be traded for more, probably better, assets (Think him fitting in to Parayko's spot when/if Pietrangelo leaves).

With that being said, because everyone thinks he should be traded:

To TOR: Adam McQuaid? (doesn't really matter, just give TO anything)

To NYR: Zaitsev, 2nd

To STL: Zaitsev 2nd

To TOR: Jordan Nolan (Again doesn't matter, just give the leafs anything).


To TOR: Paul Ladue? (repeat previous statements)

To TOR: Alex Biega (I think it's needless to say)

To VAN: Zaitsev, 2nd

Good? Bad? Crazy? Am I misjudging Zaitsev? lmk.


1.) 19 Dec 2018 03:43:58
Reminds me of Emelin. Most fans didn't mind him, until he signed a contract that was more than he should have got. couple years ago. Zaitsev was talked about as one of the better Defensive Dmen in the game. maybe he's regressed some. but I do feel he is a decent Dman.

2.) 19 Dec 2018 11:48:25
I for one like him, on twitter i'm a big advocate of what he does, he's a decent enough puckmover, isn't slow like mlst of the older DFD, and is strong in front of the net, and can play the PK/ last five mins of a game very well.

His biggest issue is confidence, he's had many interviews where he's scared ro make the wrong play and beats himself up over his own mistakes. that's why his decision making is questionable in a lot of ways, he tries to not risk anything, and that's why plays sometimes die with him in the neutral zone.

If he worth his current contract? No. But imo, if he omly had 2-3 years left, i could see teams wanting him at 4 million. If he has his current term, he's probably a 3.2 million guy who is basically a 4, or 5 on really good teams. In toronto he's basically 3, so he's playing a bit over his head as well.

3.) 19 Dec 2018 12:17:55
Zaitsev hasn’t had a primary assist in over 13 months. From what I’ve seen it doesn’t seem like he does other parts of the game all that great, but even if he did you’re ceiling is only so high if you go over a year without a primary assist. He’s signed long enough that he would still be on a rebuilding team when their next window opens and Then they would have to try to get rid of him or deal with him in the same way Toronto does.

4.) 19 Dec 2018 12:24:39
Zaitsev is slightly overpaid. I have seen an improvement on him this year and hope it continues. It's not so much the annual salary the gave him, it is the term I don't like. If they had of signed him for 2 years it wouldn't seem so bad.

5.) 19 Dec 2018 14:43:45
For me it's a combination of both. He's a bottom pairing quality defenseman getting paid about $2M or so too much and its for another 5 years after this one.

That's what makes him a cap dump. If a team only had to deal with his contract for another year, okay not so bad. But he will have this contract until he is 32 and Will likely get worse when he hits 30 and starts slowing down even more.

6.) 19 Dec 2018 18:24:36
Doncherry, that’s same thing I’ve said too. I feel he is very slightly overpaid maybe. It’s just the term. If he had 2-3 years left he would be easy to trade.

When you look around the league and see top Dmen now getting $10+ mill, really good ones getting $8+ and a lot of average middle pack dmen in the $5-6 mill range, $4.5 for a #4 solid RHD, still only like 26/ 27 years old isn’t bad. It’s not a bargain by any means, but it’s far from terrible. On most teams, it wouldn’t be talked about as a bad contract at all, but because of the money we need to go to far superior players, it’s obviously more of a concern here.

Would be nice to have the cap space, but he’s also our best RHD which is clearly the weakest spot on the roster. Just giving him away makes little sense. Sending him the other way in a trade for a big upgrade on RHD would be ideal.

7.) 20 Dec 2018 00:11:37
With the up coming cap crunch for the leafs he's got to be the guy they would most like to move. Ideally I would agree moving him in a package for an upgrade on RHD is best for the leafs. I wonder though would he actually have value in the deal to another GM especially considering they would also know the leafs want to rid themselves of his contract.

8.) 20 Dec 2018 12:38:07
That’s my main concern. He’s an NHL D man but he’s not a good one. His money isn’t good but it’s not crippling. Moving him in a package for an upgrade as big as are being proposed I think is tough because he brings down the return. The other team has to think they can help him turn him around and flip him. Saying if his contract was shorter they can move him is kinda misleading, anyone can be moved in the last few years of their deal if they don’t have certain trade protections. Bolland, Datsyuk, and Pronger for instance were moved knowing theyd never play. Low cap teams willl take on a salary for a year or two to get a prospect or pick in return it doesn’t mean the deal isn’t bad. But like I said Zaitsev deal is bad but not crippling.

9.) 20 Dec 2018 17:34:00
He would be cap dump.

10.) 20 Dec 2018 17:38:33
Why would the blues take on 4.5 for Zaitsev for next 5 years. Makes zero sense to add that cap for that player. None what so ever unless it was a cap dump coming back with minimum 1st round pick.



18 Dec 2018 04:12:06
To VAN: 2019 1st, Zaitsev (cap dump), Connor Brown (possibly could retain so that it is equal with Virtanen salary), 2020 2nd or prospect.

To TOR: Chris Tanev, Jake Virtanen


1.) 18 Dec 2018 05:38:52

2.) 18 Dec 2018 07:08:16
Ummm so the canucks take on bad salary and a late 1st round pick for exactly the player the leafs need and a better cheaper replacement for Connor Brown? If the leafs want tanev, the conversation immediately starts with a rasmus sandin or Liljegren and Kapanen, not 2 cap dumps.

3.) 18 Dec 2018 07:31:51
@AO Tanev is not worth that much dog, a first for tanev would be pretty fair value, idk what you’re on.

4.) 18 Dec 2018 11:30:56
Tanevs barely better than Zaitsev buddy, you want to ask for Kap and Liljegren as a starting point, Toronto hangs up lmao.

5.) 18 Dec 2018 11:46:24
Tanev can return something like Bracco and a 2nd or Trouba and a 1st


6.) 18 Dec 2018 13:14:44
Lol. It would be Troubafor Tanev plus picks or prospects. And it would be more than Bracco and a 2nd.

7.) 18 Dec 2018 17:49:12
I thought he was biased jets fan not a biased Nucks fan for some reason.

8.) 19 Dec 2018 01:26:12
Did I just read Tanev can get Trouba and a 1st in return. Wow.

9.) 19 Dec 2018 08:58:53
I think leafs add more. A first and Zaitsev for Tanev looks good at face value however when you look at where Toronto is likely to finish that first will be an above average second. So you have an above average second and Zaitsev’s horrible contract for Tanev? Sorry but that ain’t getting it done.

Then Brown for Virtanen? Sorry but again that ain’t getting it done. Virtanen is finally starting to show some of what we drafted him for. He’s having a great year and with his speed, Brown just cannot get him straight up.

So long story short, Leafs add.




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18 Oct 2017 23:44:25
I doubt this would happen buts it's an idea I had.

Leafs: JVR, Bozak, pick, and/ or prospect

Avalanche: One of Duchene, Barrie, or Johnson.





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10 Jan 2019 17:18:33
I probably should have added that I'm not sure if he would be signed or not for this deal. If he isn't signed it's probably a bit much.




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10 Jan 2019 02:19:58
I think that it would be more likely the Leafs make this deal if it's Gardiner in the deal. I know he's a UFA and he doesn't have as much value as Gardiner but you could remove Ferland very easily, considering the Leafs really don't need him for what they need on their left ring and the leafs right wing is to strong. Remove the first and I think the leafs would do it and the Canes would consider it. Although it would make next year even worse for the Leafs in terms of the cap. So,

To Leafs:
Dougie Hamilton

To Canes:
Jake Gardiner
Connor Brown
Jeremy Bracco




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22 Aug 2018 17:21:41
Screwed that up, meant to be Flyers. I just don't feel like they can keep Marleau, Gardiner, Matthews, and Marner. I know the Gost trade is terrible, but it was just an idea. Ryan Elis is not a very good comparable because he said that he left money on the table to keep the Nashville core together. I would expect Gardiner to get at least that if he replicates last season's point totals. Plus I feel like they would definently do that to Marleau.





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