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12 Jul 2021 19:47:21
OTT:
Ott 2nd
Kleven
Tierney
Tor:
Hyman
Ott:
Greig
10th
Formenton
Cgy:
Monahan
Ott:
Daccord
TB:
Cernak. expansion draft trade
Tkatchuk-Norris-Batherson
Stutzle-Monahan-Brown
Hyman-Pinto-Paul
Bishop-White-Watson
Chabot-Zaitsev
Brannstrom-Cernak
Zub-Mete
Murray
Forsberg.
1.) 12 Jul 2021 20:54:37
Dadanov?
Leafs would gladly take that if they can’t re-sign Hyman.
2.) 12 Jul 2021 21:39:14
Overpayment for Monahan, this isn’t the same Monahan from 2 seasons ago. Hopefully he returns to his old form after surgery. He’s been also trying to show the flames that he can play a defensive game so I think that might be why his offence dropped off.
3.) 13 Jul 2021 00:10:36
Way way too much for Monahan.
Also Hyman is a UFA so that doesn’t work.
Daccord I think could get more but idk.
4.) 13 Jul 2021 01:29:56
Is Hyman a free agent?
Also this team looks better on e. a. sports than real life. Monahan isn't the 2c ott needs. He needs a veteran team instead of a young team. Seems to have lost some drive.
5.) 13 Jul 2021 03:49:04
A backup goalie for Monahan? Dream on.
6.) 13 Jul 2021 04:57:14
I misread that, thought it was Daccord for Monahan. The pick is nice, the players not.
The pick and Daccord (Calgary does need a backup goalie) probably gets it done. In fact if Treliving really wants to move Monahan the pick alone might be enough.
7.) 13 Jul 2021 13:55:03
@Moxnix Formenton is a recent pick, Grieg was a 1st rounder last year. Equivalent of Zary + Pelletier.
No way Monahan is worth 10 by himself.
8.) 13 Jul 2021 14:34:12
Hell no to the Monahan trade.
Replace Klevin with a 4th in Hyman trade as he's leaving Toronto whether they trade him or not, wouldn't take that much.
Cernak trade is good
9.) 13 Jul 2021 18:32:18
@Websjac
It doesn't matter when Greig was picked he's too small and Formenton is a bonerack at 6'2" 165.
Neither one is going to make the NHL this year and maybe not ever. They're both left shots too, Calgary needs a top 6 right shot forward not more left shots and especially not marginal prospects.
If all that mattered was when a player was picked then fine. Monahan was taken 6th OA in a strong draft going by that logic the number 10 pick in a weak draft wouldn't be enough. :)
10.) 13 Jul 2021 18:32:18
@Websjac
It doesn't matter when Greig was picked he's too small and Formenton is a bonerack at 6'2" 165.
Neither one is going to make the NHL this year and maybe not ever. They're both left shots too, Calgary needs a top 6 right shot forward not more left shots and especially not marginal prospects.
If all that mattered was when a player was picked then fine. Monahan was taken 6th OA in a strong draft going by that logic the number 10 pick in a weak draft wouldn't be enough. :)
24 Jun 2021 13:57:33
Ott:
Brannstrom
L. Brown
Greig
10th overall
Sokolov
CGY:
Tkatchuk
Mangiapane
OTT:
Tierney
TB 2nd
OTT 3rd
ANA:
Henrique
OTT:
Mete
Formenton
TB:
Foote
Tkachuk-Norris-Batherson
Stutzle-Pinto-tkatchuk
Mangiapane-Henrique-Brown
Bishop-White-Dzingle
Chabot-JBD
Sanderson-Foote
Zub-Zaitsev
Murray
Gustavsson.
1.) 24 Jun 2021 14:27:14
We’re definitely not giving up enough for both Tkachuk and Mangiapane.
I like the idea of Henrique and tbh I think that’s enough for Anaheim, maybe if we add a late round prospect and then they can use the 2nd, 3rd and prospect in their package for Eichel (it’s rumoured Henrique is in their package, but I think Buffalo would prefer picks) .
I’d rather keep Mete and Formenton, they’re both hard workers and round out the roster. Also for cap and expansion reasons I think Tampa’s better to keep one guy instead of two.
2.) 24 Jun 2021 17:06:16
In your dreams maybe but in reality. Not a chance!
3.) 25 Jun 2021 04:57:40
Not a chance, you’re not getting Tkachuk unless Batherson involved and you want Mang on top of that? Yikes.
4.) 25 Jun 2021 17:45:22
That's an easy no from Ottawa on all 3, especially Tkachuk one, what too much unless that other guy is just as good as Tkachuk or close to it?
Mark Stone just a couple years older than Tkachuk when traded got a 2nd, Branstrom, and a nobody Lindberg, and stone was a better around player and leader in the same contract situation, why would ottawa give up that much more for Tkachuk? Makes the Dumb Zibanejad trade look great for God sakes. Don't ever post garbage like that again please, despite what some of these knuckleheads say
5.) 26 Jun 2021 05:18:59
@Sens_Able you're insane. That offer wouldn't get Tkachuk alone.
Let's flip it around with his brother coming to Calgary for a similar package.
Ottawa trades:
Brady Tkachuk
Conner Brown
Calgary Trades:
Oliver Kylington
Glenn Gawdin
Adam Ruzicka
12th overall
Ilya Nikolayev
Mangy is better than Connor Brown (I was tempted to put Batherson there instead) . Gawdin and Ruzicka are both better than Brown and Grieg. Nikolayev and Sokolov it's hard to say which has more potential they're both centers but completely different types. Probably pretty close in potential and value.
6.) 26 Jun 2021 05:58:02
Oh and before Sens fans jump in with "But Brady better, he's untouchable, Matthew isn't. "
Brady: 36 points -17
Matthew: 43 points +6
That's the worst year of Matthew's entire career in a 56 game season. Brady's first 2 years were 45 and 44 points, he played 71 games in each of those seasons. Matthew had similar but slightly better production and much better +/ - in his first 2 years.
I'm not saying Matthew is better, in fact I say it's too close to say which is better at this time. What I am saying is it's a fallacy that Brady is better.
7.) 26 Jun 2021 06:56:39
Mark stone was headed to ufa, on a team tearing down. Tkachuk is rfa on a team looking to win. Those are not the same situations.
And don't the sens usually lose trades? Isn't that their thing?
8.) 26 Jun 2021 17:12:11
Brannstrom > Kylington
Greig >> Ruzicka
Brown > Gadwin
10th > 12th
IMO it’s not actually that bad for Tkachuk especially considering he needs to be paid 9M or he walks to free agency. Brannstrom has 2/ 3 D potential and Greig was a 1st rounder in a deep draft.
9.) 26 Jun 2021 23:01:45
And Matthew will be paid 9 million, the Flames still have 2 more years of team control too. If and that's a really big if they decide to trade it's going to be because someone makes them offer that's so good it simply can't be refused.
They for sure aren't going to take a lowball offer of failed drafts picks and 4th line / bottom pairing players.
Yes they're failed drafts picks. It doesn't matter how high Grieg or Logan Brown were picked, they can't even crack the Sens roster in spite of how weak they are at center. Gawdin nearly made much stronger at center Flames roster last year. This year one of him, Ruzika or possibly even Zary almost certainly will make the roster.
Brannstrom. In a nutshell he's way too small and not near skilled enough to make up for his lack of size. Kylington is bigger and more skilled, he just not very good defensively.
Kylington needs to learn to play better defense and until then needs to be paired with a partner who's good enough defensively to cover for him. Calgary mostly has offensive defensemen who can't cover for that and two way guys who's offense would be hobbled if forced to cover for that.
10.) 26 Jun 2021 23:16:59
@Moxnix I agree I don’t think it’s enough but a more accurate portrayal is
Tkachuk and Brown for Hanifin (similar points to Brannstrom, similar draft position, Brann is a bit younger tho), Zary (similar draft position to Grieg, very similar WHL stats), Valimaki (pretty close to as disappointing as Brown, makes up for jump in 2 spots and Sokolov) and 12OA
It’s not bad, but I wouldn’t do it, just as you wouldn’t accept the one above.
The Tkachuks are very similar point-wise, I’d personally only take Brady because I think he’s a bit tougher than Matt. Matt’s kinda a pretty boy. They both hit but Matt doesn’t back up his play. Brady has many more fights and wins a lot more of his fights.
11.) 27 Jun 2021 00:55:23
Brannstrom > Kylington
Ruzicka > Greig
Gawdin > Brown
10th > 12th.
12.) 27 Jun 2021 03:50:14
@NotaCasual Grieg is better than Ruzicka. And brown is better than Gawdin.
13.) 27 Jun 2021 17:28:50
@Websjac 100% agree with your 26 June commment. Hanifin and Zary would be a deal breaker for the Flames. One of them maybe but not both. And actually considering it's Treliving in charge, Valimaki might be a deal breaker too.
I don't agree with your later comment, @NotACasual got it right.
Personally I wouldn't want Brannstrom or Kylington playing for the Flames.
14.) 27 Jun 2021 17:47:43
In the end it doesn't really matter who's better out of Ruzika, Gawdin, Greig and Logan Brown. It's very unlikely any of them becomes a top 6 or even a good middle 6 player. Most of them probably won't ever play in the NHL for a full year and the ones that do probably wind up as 4th line centers or bottom 6 wingers.
The point I was originally making is none of those players is going to make much of a difference in a trade for either Tkachuk.
15.) 27 Jun 2021 18:50:24
Greig is 18 he obviously wasn’t expected to make the team. Brannstrom is 21 and he’s a point per game in the AHL and a 35 point pace this year in the NHL.
16.) 27 Jun 2021 23:44:06
@Websjac you said: "Tkachuk and Brown for Hanifin (similar points to Brannstrom, similar draft position, Brann is a bit younger tho), Zary (similar draft position to Grieg, very similar WHL stats), Valimaki (pretty close to as disappointing as Brown, makes up for jump in 2 spots and Sokolov) and 12OA"
If you meant Connor Brown that's not bad though it's a bit of an overpay for Calgary. Instead of Zary and 12 OA make it Zary and Calgary's 2nd round pick or Gawdin and 12 OA. Or make it Batherson instead of Connor Brown.
If you meant Logan then it'd be a big overpay on Calgary's part. Logan Brown has no value in Calgary.
But I have no doubt Ottawa feels the same way about Brady as Calgary does about Matthew. Neither one is getting traded for a deal that makes sense for both teams. The only way either one gets moved now is if the other team overpays.
17.) 29 Jun 2021 22:34:19
Monitor go get bent dude. Those trades are nowhere even close to the same thing and you know it. May as well be comparing a trade back in the day of Alfredson Spezza Hossa and Chara to Lombardi Suprikin Gelinas and Leaopold. You're Lombardi of sens values is frankly insulting to say the least.
Again I'm going to tell you
Mark Stone > Matthew Tkachuk in every aspect of the game and in same situation contractually in a sign and trade got Erik Brannstrom and virtually 2 other pieces that mean NOTHING to Ottawa. Yet some how Tkachuk is worth not just a more ready and mature Brannstrom but also Sokolov who is virtually same value as that 2nd now based on how well he's doing, L.Brown who even if he is a bust is still better than Lindberg was, he does still have top 6 potential BTW just not getting the opportunity in Ottawa, Grieg who was not only draft in the 1st round of a very deep draft and draws comparisons to a JG Pageau, Brendan Gallagher, or a Brad Marchand, and on top of all that a 10th overall pick, I'll be it in a weak draft class, but even still where anyone in the top 16 of that weak draft class can make an argument to go 1st overall.
Not a chance in hell Tkachuk is worth more that Stone was let alone that insane amount more. Go eat some tide pods!
15 Mar 2021 02:53:59
OTT:
Anisimov
Abramov
BUF:
Paterka
Okposo
OTT:
Tierney
Gudbranson
EDM:
Turris
2022 2nd.
1.) 15 Mar 2021 04:04:28
Tierney and Gudbranson for Turris and 2nd is the most laughable thing I’ve seen all day. Turris is worth a 5th round pick at best, plus Edmonton doesn’t have nearly enough cap space.
2.) 15 Mar 2021 10:56:58
Yeah Ottawa doesn’t do either of these trades. They’re not going to trade Tierney or Abramov and are certainly not going to take bad contracts to help other teams out with the flat cap without a premium return.
3.) 15 Mar 2021 13:27:17
Tiereny= 2nd
Gubrandson=Turis
It’s not that bad. But I do think Tiereny gets a prospect along with pick.
4.) 15 Mar 2021 23:50:50
I would do the Buffalo trade but not the Edmonton one. Anisimov contract ain't as bad as okposo one but still pretty bad but swapping Abramov for Peterka would be a great add to give Stutzle someone he has past chemistry with like Tkachuk with Norris and Logan Brown or like the North Dakota Boys. It would be cool to get him an possibly Reichel too
26 Feb 2021 21:01:26
OTT:
LBrown
Brannstrom
JBD
Abramov
LAK:
Byfield
Doughty
Tkatchuk-Norris-Dadonov
Stutzle-Byfield-Batherson.
1.) 26 Feb 2021 23:10:01
That’s awful.
2.) 26 Feb 2021 23:43:43
As much as I like byfield, no thanks. that much long term future for a contract like doughty. that would look bad quick. that would be like 1 step forward, 6 steps back.
3.) 27 Feb 2021 02:25:11
I don’t think Kings give up Byfield, and I don’t think Ottawa would ever want Doughty.
4.) 27 Feb 2021 09:49:19
So I am just saying, many people thought it was crazy how Montreal traded away PK for Weber and Weber was a declining asset, Well weberbis still a better defenseman at 35 than PK ever was.
Doughty is in that same category, a solid defenseman until he is 40.
This value stuff is ridiculous analytical need stuff that actually has no value.
5.) 27 Feb 2021 20:30:19
I do agree with doughty being good for several more years. Always effective. He is too much money for melnyk.
From l. a. I don't think I trade Byfield. He has an amazing opportunity under Kopitar, and nothing coming back matches a potential 1c.
6.) 28 Feb 2021 16:07:12
@Renidrag I agree with Doughty being good for 2-3 more years, but that doesn’t fit Ottawa’s timeline. I’d rather see him go to an immediate contender.
This trade also gives Ottawa a young Center in Byfield which doesn’t fit their needs (défense) and they give up a promising D (Brain) .
20 Feb 2021 17:34:36
OTT:
L. Brown
Abramov
EDM:
Puuj
2021 3rd
OTT:
Thomson
Clark Bishop
Davidsson
Tor:
2021 1st.
1.) 20 Feb 2021 18:29:44
I don’t think the Oilers waited 4 years for Puli to finally look like a good NHL player and show chemistry with Mcdavid just to give him away. They’re going to see it through now.
2.) 20 Feb 2021 22:04:33
Why would Ottawa trade Thomson (a young developing defensive prospect) to get a first round pick where they’d select a young defensive prospect that will be 2 years behind Thomson?
3.) 20 Feb 2021 22:54:27
Why would the leafs give a 1st for that? None of those players can crack the sens let alone leafs.
4.) 21 Feb 2021 15:18:31
Tomson has been underwhelming.
5.) 21 Feb 2021 22:57:52
@Nylander he hasn’t even played yet, he’s developing. You can’t grade a player a year after they’re drafted.
6.) 22 Feb 2021 05:16:25
@Nylander
It'll be a late first
Ottawa has too many d prospects they will use their top pick to knab Owen power who is better than Thomson then select a forward with the later pick or trade up. Toronto could use some d prospects anyways. His game is more suited for NA than overseas.
7.) 04 Mar 2021 14:11:07
Ottawa should laugh in your face if that is proposed. I wouldn't do Thompson alone for the leafs 1st lol the leafs are the top team in a defense weak division and have the most offensive team. They will likely be a top 3 team in the league and likely win round one of plays which equates to a very late 1st. I could care less about Clarke but no way they give up both Davidson and Thompson too for that lol maybe if you change Thompson to Chlapic then there could be something to look at.
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22 Feb 2021 05:16:25
@Nylander
It'll be a late first
Ottawa has too many d prospects they will use their top pick to knab Owen power who is better than Thomson then select a forward with the later pick or trade up. Toronto could use some d prospects anyways. His game is more suited for NA than overseas.
10 Jan 2021 18:47:19
Batherson lit up the AHL. prob a top 10 pick in 2022 (Deep) Connor brown can play any line. Wolanin a top 4 D.
As for the Dubois trade you get a speedy winger that gets 2-3 breakaways a game that can play 2nd line. JBD projected top 2/ 3 Dman. And L. Brown if he hits his ceiling will be a fringe 1st liner. You forget that we are in a flat cap and teams also need to shed salary.
04 Jan 2021 15:59:26
Calgary doesn't have a deep prospect pool. They add a top pick this year and 2 A prospects in Pinto and JBD that's 3 A Picks plus a middle 6 winger. Ottawa maybe throws in a 3rd 2 sweeten it. You can't spell Points without S. Pinto. as for that Dumba trade i saw it in an article.
06 Nov 2020 22:38:39
Ebsolutely. Lol batherson worth more than Virtanen by far. He's a Stone.2. has potential to be a 60+ pts nhler. You want sens to take on that contract your adding a first round pick for batherson even then the sens say no. He's going to be a top line RW when dadonov leaves. your delusional.
31 Jan 2020 22:48:30
Go back and read that again.
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