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20 Jul 2018 14:34:05
Rumor has it Seguin wants to go to a Canadian team. how bout.

Ott : Karlsson, Ryan, Anderson

Dallas : Seguin, spezza, bishop

Ottawa unloads Ryan for a bigger contract worst player with less term in spezza while picking up a goalie to replace andy.


1.) 20 Jul 2018 15:35:53
Don’t see how this makes Dallas any better. Karlson would up grade there d no question but then there offence takes a huge hit losing seguin for Ryan and goaltending they get worse to.

2.) 20 Jul 2018 15:39:13
This is better for Ottawa when it comes to filling needs. All Dallas would have at forward would be Benn and Radulov really.

3.) 20 Jul 2018 15:51:37
Are you sure he didn’t say any Canadian team other than Ottawa?

4.) 20 Jul 2018 15:55:52
Lol. Dallas laughs.

5.) 20 Jul 2018 16:09:56
I guess Hanzel would be the 1c 🤔 Spezza is Franchise corner piece compared to Ryan. Anybody sain would want spezza.

6.) 20 Jul 2018 16:11:20
They would take a hit offensively but it wouldn't be a huge one really.

Ryan puts up 0.53 + points per game with the exception of 2 seasons ago where he was having major health issues, his 3rd lowest points per game total was the 2013 / 2014 season where he put up 0.69 points per game.

Seguin puts up 0.88 + points per game

At the same time though.

Karlsson as a defenseman puts up 0.80 + points per game.

And jason spezza gets 0.74 points per game usually with the exception of this past year where he got 0.33 points per game a career low to be sure.

Goaltending I wouldn't say they get worst. older yes. but not worst. bishop been sortve shakey the last 2 years while Andy had 1 bad year after all that drama going on. plus Andy ìs a better playoff goalie for sure.

7.) 20 Jul 2018 17:44:18
Vbbvbb Ryan plays top 6 and still puts up respectable numbers. spezza plays 4th line and puts I
Up peanuts now. Ryan also plays at both ends while spezza is never back checking I've seen the guy play lots bu far Ryan is an upgrade on spezza there's no question on that. I wander if you even think before you type stuff like that?

Also know that benn was a center before Seguin was even in dallas, he centered eriksons line so no hanzal wouldn't be number 1 and Ryan is STILL a top 6 forward.

8.) 20 Jul 2018 18:02:08
Ho is this better for Ottawa in terms of needs? Lol

Skill for skill = number 1 center for bonafide number one defence

Bad contract swap = top 6 winger for bottom 3 center

Goalie swap = regular season performer 1/ 2 the time for playoff performer

Only thing Ottawa gets out of it is a bid contract with shorter duration. the rest look almost dead even.

9.) 20 Jul 2018 18:02:59
Ryan is top 6 on a nediocre to bad team, not a good team.

10.) 20 Jul 2018 19:09:05

11.) 20 Jul 2018 20:35:04
List of problems with this:

Seguin for Karlsson both with a year left is close. Edge goes to Karlsson but not by a ton as seguin is younger and will be able to be signed a bit cheaper. But bishop for Anderson is laughable.

Spezza has a bigger contract?! Yeah by 250k for 1 yr vs 4 yrs of Ryan lol hell no.

And Ryan puts up respectable #s and spezza is 4th line putting up peanuts?!

Over the last 3 seasons Ryan has played 205 games with 119 pts (.58 pts per game) . Spezza played 221 games with 139pts (.63pts per game)

And you say spezza only plays 4th line, so he out produces Bobby Ryan on the 4th line and you want stars to eat 3 extra years at 7.25 mill?!

And lastly spezza has a NMC. He already ran from that sh*thole once. You think he’s waiving to go back?! Lol.

12.) 20 Jul 2018 21:00:20
Personally IDK how you can call Ryan and Spezza = in terms of value

Spezza last 3 seasons
2015-2016 GP:75 G:33 P:63
2016-2017 GP:68 G:15 P:50
2017-2018 GP:78 G:8 P:26
Cap hit 7.5M Length 1Yr

Ryan last 3 seasons
2015-2016 GP:81 G:22 P:56
2016-2017 GP:62 G:13 P:25
2017-2018 GP:62 G:11 P:33
Cap hit 7.25M Length 4Yr

Ryan has produced less in 2 of the last 3 years then Spezza only 0.25M less but for an extended 3 years past Spezza.

Rambo you can't honestly think Ryan is a top 6 forward can you? Think for a second if a person was suggesting a player to be traded to Ottawa that had similar point totals and contract would you be happy and say we got a proven top 6 winger from this trade?

13.) 20 Jul 2018 21:09:32
Rambo how do you think of this trade

David Backes for Bobby Ryan.

I'm only looking for your opinion to see how you value players.

14.) 20 Jul 2018 21:51:29
Rambo proposals and facts don't mix.

15.) 20 Jul 2018 22:47:58
So if Ryan is that much better that Spezza why would you want to make the trade. It's hilarious how people can put up completely biased trades then try to justify it by saying their teams player is amazing and the other teams player coming back is crap. If their crap then why trade for them.

16.) 20 Jul 2018 23:18:54
Still waiting to see a response to how .58 pts per game is “respectable 2nd line numbers” and .63 pts per game is “peanuts for a 4th liner” lol

Rambo never let's a fact get in the way of a good story though.

17.) 21 Jul 2018 00:58:37
Just letting everyone know I meant every sain person would take Spezza over Ryan.

18.) 21 Jul 2018 18:11:44
Why make that trade yupp? Easy the 1 year left on spezza is why. if we can't flip him before his contract expires we can afford to let him walk for nothing and not miss him that's why.

I'm not arguing spezza production when playing big minutes ctc I'm saying Ryan's number are nearly as good with a huge difference being that for every goal spezza is a part of offensively he is responsible for 4 more against his team. giveaway with no backchecking hurt your team no matter how many you score. Ryan is far more responsible in that regard which is why he still plays top 6 while spezza was recently demoted to 4th line si yeah 100% coming from someone who's seen both guys play I'd take Ryan any given day of my life but it's a business and trying to dump a 1 year bad contract is better than trying to dump a 3 year bad contract.

Speaking of bad contracts jim you might want to look back at your poor research. spezza makes 8 million on a cap hit this I know for a fact as it was Ottawa that signed him and heatley to those deals.

N donscherry Ottawa is not a mediocre to bad team they just had a bad year due to a lot of different factors that I am done repeating to children. at worst they are an average to above average team that much is common sense.

19.) 22 Jul 2018 03:35:21
You're confusing common sense with delusional fantasies again bud.

20.) 08 Aug 2018 16:53:14
The Sens will say no to any deal including Spazza, do your homework. spazza demanded a trade from Ottawa.



12 Jul 2018 23:51:13
Mon : Weber, pacioretty

Pit : kessel, sheahan or brassard



1.) 13 Jul 2018 01:40:04
That's terrible for the pens. Weber is out for basically the entire season, he has a shitty contract, and he's rapidly declining. Who know how he'll be when he comes back. Kessel has way more value than pacciorety. So to sum it up a declining player on a terrible contract, a scoring winger who has 1 year left and is coming of a bad year for one of the premier snipers of the game today, and a very good 3rd or 4th line centre.

2.) 13 Jul 2018 04:46:03
“ rapidly declining “? Please make an argument because I know you can’t. Please don’t say his feet gave out because he’s never been a good skater he doesn’t rely on skating he’s still a number 1 dman and I’d love him on the leafs with a little bit of retention I’d definitely do Horton+Ziatsev+ for Weber at ( 6 mil )

3.) 13 Jul 2018 06:14:01
No from the Pens.

4.) 13 Jul 2018 06:24:49
Patches- 30 years old coming off a 37 point season. Has been productive but is he declining?
Webber- missed 56 games and will miss at least half a season this year. At 33 and with that contract, too risky.

Kessel-31 and coming off a 92 point season. 55 more points than Patches.
Brassard- 46 points
Sheehan at 26 and at 6’3 is a very valuable bottom six forward who put up 32 points.

Pittsburgh would lose this trade badly.

5.) 13 Jul 2018 14:36:27
Horton, Ziatsev + for Weber $1M retain? Montreal laughs at you Vbb. Whatever your little + is would wipe out Horton and then it's almost Ziatsev for Weber with retaining a mil. That's so bad. Take out Horton and that + better be something pretty damn good more like it.

6.) 13 Jul 2018 15:36:34
Not saying Pittsburgh would win the trade ( because the wouldn’t ) but saying Weber Is “rapidly declining” shows you never watched him play and you guys can hit the dissagree button all you want but no one can make an argument for how he’s any less effective then he was 3 years ago. Still a top 10 dman who will still be effective in the nhl until he’s 40+ exactly like chara. Also Patches is still Elite. he shot at an absurdly low shooting percentage this year. If he shot at his percentage from his prievice season he’d have 35 goals.

7.) 13 Jul 2018 18:49:23
I wouldn't call Patches elite at this point, but would be interested to see what he can do on a good line.

8.) 13 Jul 2018 21:32:36
Depends what you call elite. He can’t drive a line but he can score off the rush like the best in the game.

9.) 13 Jul 2018 22:07:35
Omg I actually find myself agreeing with some of vbbvbbs points for once. did hell freeze over? Lol

But I understand the Weber being down for half a season too that makes sense too.

But rumor has it kessel wants out of Pitts and they are trying to trade him. I figure patches would minimize the loss and on a team like Pitt patches and Weber can more than find their stride again while Montreal would address 2 glaring need at once. they would add scoring big time plus get a center they desperately need.

10.) 13 Jul 2018 22:09:45
I find he can be one dimensional - and i'm a habs fan. He has the size to be more of an impact player but just doesn't do it.

11.) 14 Jul 2018 06:19:03
Fyi, there is a salary cap in the nhl.

12.) 14 Jul 2018 11:04:55
Webber has no vaule any more with that contract.



11 Jul 2018 21:19:21
Only because it would be cool to have 2 nylanders together plus toronto has to make a move or 2 before they lose one of the other 3 of the big 4 to free agency due to no cap space

Tor : Gardiner, brown

Buf : a. Nylander

Marleau Tavares marner
Nylander Matthew's nylander
Hyman karri martin.


1.) 11 Jul 2018 21:55:54
The Leafs are not going to lose one of the big 4 due to cap space. The only potential cap casualty will be Marleau, and that is not a certainty.

I wouldn't expect someone with your mental capacity to be able to handle the math, but there's this program called microsoft excel that might help you develop an informed opinion instead of spewing your usual nonsense.

Also, your lines are as ignorant as your trade proposals and Martin does not play for the Leafs anymore. You're really owning that dunce cap.

2.) 11 Jul 2018 22:10:51
Just stop Rambo. They’re not losing anyone, anytime soon. Toronto doesn’t need another forward and you don’t make trades because it’s cool.

3.) 11 Jul 2018 22:37:55
Even if they sign Nylander, Mathews and Marner for 10 mil each they’d still have cap space LOL obviously they’re not going to sign for 10 mil so the leafs are good.

Value wise I would probably give a 3rd from the leafs Nylander has proved nothing he can't even get playing time in the AHL on an infieror team let alone get time on the Calder cup winning marlies and especially not the leafs.

4.) 11 Jul 2018 23:18:32
And leafs Defense is their weaker point, offense is stacked with skill. So let’s trade our 2nd best defenseman and a penalty killing/ checking forward with 20 and 14 goals the last 2 years for a skilled forward who hasn’t made good strides since being drafted lol that’s Rambo Logic at its best. Just do us a favour and stick to solving Calgary’s goalie problem of 36 year old Mike Smith with 37 year old Craig Anderson lol

Rambo is like those late night infomercials selling blankets with sleeves. He solves problems you didn’t know you even had haha.

5.) 11 Jul 2018 23:37:56
I'm pretty sure buffalo mixes that.

6.) 12 Jul 2018 00:25:00
Did anyone notice he put Martin in the lineup ( NYI ) and Left Kappanen out?

7.) 12 Jul 2018 03:43:26
Yeah ok. because 25 million free space is more than enough to get nylander ar 7 to 8 million marner at 8 to 9 million and Matthew's at 10 to 11 million and still have extra cap to sign the rest of the team. Makes total sense my math totally sucks that totally makes 10 million used not 25 to 28 million used right guys? Get real and do the math yourself and stop making ridiculous comments cap doesn't always go up either it goes down too and even if it goes up it's not by more than 2 to 3 million tops.

8.) 12 Jul 2018 11:23:04
Gardiner and Brown for Karlsson. The leafs take on more salary just to prove Rambo wrong. Ottawa gets the better defenseman in the deal and a top 6 sniper. Maybe NY will give you Martin and you can slot him alongside Stone.

9.) 12 Jul 2018 11:36:34
Lmao, you kinda explainedit to yourself Rambo.

We know that the Leafs will be pressed against the cap. We know Marner/ Nylander/ Matthews combined will be about 23 million. That remaining 3ish millioj goes into filling holes (bottom 6 d, fourth line, etc) . Thatll be for year 2019/ 20. Afer that, Marleaus offf the books and we gain more cap space. And even if we did need cap space, what good does trading for Alex Nylander do?

10.) 12 Jul 2018 12:41:32
Since I am a firm believer in supporting kids with special needs, I'll take the time out of my morning to once again educate you Rambo.

Marner and Matthews are still on entry level contracts this season.

Nylander needs to be extended, but it will not be for "7 to 8 million" as you so daftly put. Give your head a shake and look and comparables. Pastrnak (same draft year, better player) was extended at $6.7 million. Nylander is not going to make a million more per year than him.

The Leafs have zero cap issues heading into this year. Get that through your thick skull. They have over $20 million in space (once you account for Horton on LTIR) with only Nylander to extend and a few Marlies/ cheap UFA signings to plug bottom end roster spots. When all is said and done they will have around $5 mln extra space to play with at the trade deadline.

The 2019-2020 season is when things could get tighter, depending on where the cap shakes out. For 2018-2019 it is currently projected to be $79.5 million (upper limit) . It may not increase much from that in 2019-2020, but it is certainly not going to decrease, especially in light of further expansion eventually coming (Seattle) .

Here's who the Leafs have signed already for 2019-2020 (not including Horton who will be on LTIR) :

Tavares (11 mln)
Marleau (6.25 mln)
Kadri (4.3 mln)
Hyman (2.25 mln)
Brown (2.1 mln)
Rielly (5 mln)
Zaitsev (4.5 mln)
Dermott (0.863 mln)
Andersen (5 mln)
Kessel buyout (1.2 mln)

That's ~$42.5 mln.

Add (projected signings) :
Nylander (6.5 mln)
Matthews (11 mln)
Marner (8 mln)
Kapanen (2.1 mln)
Johnsson (2.1 mln)
Gauthier (0.675 mln)
Grundstrom (0.925 mln)
Marchment (0.7675 mln)
Leivo (1.0 mln)
Liljegren (0.894 mln)
Rosen (1.1 mln)
Borgman (1.1 mln)
Ozhiganov (1.1 mln)
Sparks (1.0 mln)

That's ~$38.3 mln, for a total of ~$80.8 mln for a full 23 man roster, not much higher than the current projected limit for 2018-2019. If the cap goes up by a few million, the Leafs may not have to do anything. Worst case scenario, Marleau (who will be owed only ~$4 mln in actual salary after his bonus is paid on July 1st) could be traded to a team looking to get to the cap floor.

The Leafs will have options and are not in a cap bind such that one of the big four will have to be traded. Dubas has said this. Maybe Nylander is traded for help on the back end, but that will be for a similar caliber player on Defense, making a similar amount of money. Maybe if you did not still have guys like Martin who don't even play for the Leafs in your lineup you could see this.

School's out kiddo.

11.) 12 Jul 2018 14:04:01
You missed gardine did you not?

12.) 12 Jul 2018 14:20:41
Rambo, you spend a lot of time trying to poke holes in the leafs plan and recent/ future success for a guy who’s team in the last year:
-had owner threaten to move the team
-lost a Duchene trade
-ignored the harassment of your superstars family
-had their assistant GM arrested for molestiing a young man at the draft combine
-has wives taking out restraining orders against each other
-lost hoffman trade BAD
-had best player/ captain say publicly he’s done playing for the organization
-pending lawsuit against Ceci
-low-balled next best player (Stone) and he’s in arbitration, a year away from UFA
-drafted 4th overall this year, team is far worse next year and Avs own your pick

Maybe you should focus more on the senators, because leafs Owners, management, coaching and players seem to be in pretty good shape lol.

13.) 12 Jul 2018 14:27:23
@Alpaca: Gardiner's contract is up this year, and I suspect he will want more than the Leafs are willing to pay him (I'm sure he could get more on the UFA market), so I did not include him on their 2019-2020 roster.

14.) 12 Jul 2018 21:46:19
I love it. Rambo and half the internet trying to turn signing Tavares into a bad thing. All of a sudden the leafs are going to have to dismantle the plan and lose Nylander, maybe Marner as well. Did they improve their defense, no. Did they bring in an absolute stud #1 center, yes. Get over it Rambo and anyone else who can’t handle the progress a team that struggled for years is making. If ONE of the young guns are traded, it will be for a defenseman like others have said. If there is cap issues, worst case scenario is trading Nylander for a 3-4 million dollar defenseman and a high draft pick. They’d save a couple million (assuming Nylander gets at least 6), get a 3-4 d man and re stock the cupboards.

15.) 13 Jul 2018 00:06:29
I'll have the popcorn ready next July when toronto is trying to choose which star to match an offer sheet on and which one to let go to to cap restraints.

16.) 13 Jul 2018 01:05:16
rambo, seriously do you think marner and matthew get to rfa without extensions, even if they did, both of them, do you seriously think the leafs wouldn't laugh at getting 4 first round picks for the amount of money that offer sheet would need to be for it to make the leafs not able to match due to "cap restraints"?

you are the new montrealfinest. you are the GOAT.

17.) 13 Jul 2018 02:25:06
Cool. When neither of those things happen hopefully we will not have lost count of everything else you have been wrong about. it's hard to keep track of.

Should the Leafs be worried about an offer sheet for Matt Martin? Asking for a friend.

18.) 13 Jul 2018 06:41:02
Have the popcorn with the peanuts you got for Hoffman.

19.) 13 Jul 2018 11:31:22
Peanuts for brains** @Leafs17.

20.) 13 Jul 2018 11:54:43
This guy makes FairTrade4all sound completely rational. I don’t think we’ve heard from him since the Eberle trade. There’s a few decent Oiler fans on here, but he was special. Kind of like Rambo.

21.) 13 Jul 2018 12:56:47
It don't matter how many 1sts they get if they don't match if the team that lands one of them is a playoff contender. 1 out of 4 might make a small difference in that case if they're lucky. plus they only get 4 if the offer sheet is 10 mln +.

22.) 13 Jul 2018 14:32:12
If the offer sheet is less the 10+ million the Leafs will have the cap space!

23.) 13 Jul 2018 15:05:53
Well yeah, and if it was under $10 mill for an offer sheet on Matthews, the leafs would match it and celebrate because that’s cheaper than he will sign here for lol you make zero sense.

And if it’s over $10 mill for marner, they take the 4 1st rounders and pack marners bags for him. If it’s between $8-10 mill we would get 2 1sts, a 2nd and a 3rd. Then would have to see where those picks would be (which team it is) and make a decision.

This management has planned for this. They didn’t go from dead last to a serious contender in 30 months by accident lol just keep making a fool of yourself, it’s entertaining seeing you so jealous that your team is in the toilet on and off the ice and the rest of the league is picking on them like vultures haha.



11 Jul 2018 13:44:43
Ok so how about this. I actually would mind this just because its would give Ottawa a toughness they've really never had.

Ott : Karlsson, Anderson (g)

Cal : m. Tkechuck, andersson (defense prospect), and a 1st

Then if that happens.

Ott : gaborik, 5th

EDM : lucic

Tkechuck duchene Ryan
Tkechuck brown stone
Lucic pageau boadker
Dzingle Smith paajarvi

White and chlapic as scratches

Chabot wideman
Andersson ceci
Lajoie borowieski

Might not be as skilled as leafs up front but would definitely be hard team to play against and tough as nails.

Calgary adds both the goalie they desperately need and the best defenceman in the world.

Edmonton gets rid of useless lucic AHL may find a way in Ottawa to rejuvenate his career.


1.) 11 Jul 2018 14:44:03
Mike Smith - 36 years old
55gp 25 wins 2.65GAA .916sv%

Craig Anderson -37 years old
58gp 23 wins. 3.32GAA. .898sv%

Thanks for solving Calgary’s goaltending problems lol Craig Anderson is what they ‘desperately need? ’ Haha

Secondly, Calgary’s blue line is not where they need help. It’s scoring wingers and also being hard to play against (tkachuk) . With Giordano, Brodie, hanifin, hamonic they’re solid. So again Sens are clearly giving the best player, but this trade helps them way more than it helps Calgary. Anyone would want to add Karlsson, but flames are losing what they really need to gain a luxury that should not a major concern for them. Why?

2.) 11 Jul 2018 15:05:54
lol. Calgarys MVP was their goalie Smith last season. Geez.

3.) 11 Jul 2018 16:41:36
I feel like Stone would be more of an interest then Karlsson.

Stone ( RFA ) and Dizingel for Tkachuk and Brower ( cap )

Dizingel replaces Tkachuk on the 2nd line making Dizingel-Backlund-Lindholm. Then Stone give them that top line RW they “desperately need” who is litterly the perfect fit for Mohnahan-Guadreau

Meanwhile Tkachuk is only 20 and already a presance in the NHL. Could be the bright spot for Ottawa’s future.

4.) 11 Jul 2018 18:18:32
Vbbvbb first off stone going no where

2nd off no chance brower would be part of a deal like this stone => tkechuck and dzingle >>>>>>> brower plus no cap issue with dzingle like brower

How you come up with you player trade value is beyond comprehension.

5.) 11 Jul 2018 18:12:33
Fair enough on calgary's needs though I do believe it's an upgrade in nets yes Andy coming off a bad season but so is the entire Ottawa team as a whole. he has proven he can steal games when needed and he steps up huge in playoffs. Smith however I've never really been sold on since he played for Tampa.

The needs thing makes sense though I can agree with that to a degree but then again they did just sign neal to approach that couldn't they flip gio for a forward? Word is he is on block.

6.) 11 Jul 2018 19:29:51
Stone is about to be a lot more expensive and Calargry will need to dump cap to fit in 7-8 million for Stone. Tkachuk definitely has more value. Ottawa has no need for cap space as they’ll be near last place in the nhl for a few seasons.

7.) 11 Jul 2018 21:03:49
Tkechuck has slightly more cap value temporarily until his entry contract expires but stone has more skill value at both ends of ice and term value as well seeing as how when tkechuck is due for a new contract the average rate will be higher than it is now while stone is locked up at cheaper rate.

Hence stone =/ > tkechuck

Ottawa will not be last, though it is a tough time they do still have a skilled team. Carolina Arizona rangers Detroit calgary Edmonton Vancouver islanders are all just as bad if not worst and most of them don't have as many skilled players like stone Karlsson (or what ever we get for him) duchene brown tkechuck chabot wideman dzingle and yes, boadker and ryan.

8.) 11 Jul 2018 22:02:31
At the moment it looks like Stone is heading to arbitration. If he is not signed long term before then he will walk away with a one-year deal ending him with him a free agent.

You can bet your bottom dollar he would be entertaining offers from other teams at that point, perhaps eager to escape the dumpster fire that is the Ottawa Senators organization.

But I'm sure Melnyk will be eager to pay the man before then, right? He's never low-balled a star player or anything.

9.) 11 Jul 2018 22:39:32
vbbbvvbb, did u just say M. Tkatchuk has more value than mark stone. Have you watched mark stone play. He single-handedly carried Ottawa last year with points (averaged over 1 point a game). Yes Matthew is a good player, but he's nowhere near Mark Stone's level of play and Hockey IQ.

10.) 11 Jul 2018 23:49:46
Lol mark Stone is arbitration bound and almost guaranteed he’s leaving via UFA next season if he’s not traded.

11.) 12 Jul 2018 00:33:42
I love Stone Crinamally underated. He is the best offensive player on the Sens but they should trade him he’s in his prime and almost certainly won’t spend his prime years in the dumpster fire of Ottawa he'll sign a one year contract and he’ll probably leave via trade at the deadline or as an UFA . He had the best giveaway/ Takeway ratio in 2016/ 2017 in the nhl and is an Elite 2 way presance

But Tkachuk has more value he’s 5 years younger and strong defensively and offensively. Potential 70 point man. He’s also elite physically which is rare these days I believe he’d be a fan favourite in Ottawa with Karlsson leaving he’s be the face of the Franchise.

Maybe Calargry would need to add a prospect like Anderson ( NHL ready RHD )

12.) 12 Jul 2018 03:50:44
I'll take a bet on stone not leaving Ottawa Mike. name your price but make sure you're willing to pay up.

13.) 12 Jul 2018 15:02:08
Not sure the allowance you get from your mom is something you should be gambling.

I don't think it's more likely that Stone leaves than stays, and if it were any other organization in the league would 100% expect Stone to be signed long term before he gets to arbitration. But this IS the Senators we are talking about, so I would not be surprised by any means if Melnyk low balls Stone and refuses the offer, heads to arbitration, signs a one year deal via arbitration, and then tests free agency next summer.

If Melnyk is not willing to pay him what he is worth, it's not like there is a lot of reasons right now to stick around long-term on a hometown discount. The team is going to be garbage for the next few years.

14.) 13 Jul 2018 15:12:56
The team will not be garbage 1 bad year after all that garbage drama doesn't change things.
Hoffman out tkechuck in takes care of that.
phaneuf gone is a huge plus.
Karlsson healthy or the crazy return we could get for him will help emensly.
Brassard I never really liked anyway so brown can fill that role no issue.
The only possible worry would be the looming Anderson trade and who would take his place.

Aside from all that they still have duchene stone pageau and dzingle. Boadker despite over payed adds quickness and a little skill, Ryan still puts up respectable numbers, chabot going to break out even more especially if Karlsson gets traded. And their prospect pool is vastly underrated and highly skilled.

They play be a playoff bubble team might make it in might not but won't be a bottom feeder again this year. And if melnick paid Ryan like he did he will pay stone.

15.) 13 Jul 2018 17:42:44
Rambo, no one will actually bet with you. You ‘guaranteed’ the top 10 pick + for hoffman and now that you’re wrong you say its a joke and a technicality because they should have got more lol

If I bet you on stone leaving and he walks via UFA, you will say it doesn’t count because they didn’t even really want him anymore.

16.) 15 Jul 2018 17:13:43
Jim, take the bet or close your mouth. the fact is haffman is worth a top 5 to 10 pick whether you like him or not. We did get fleeced on that deal because our GM is incompetent. brian Murray could have gotten that maybe more for Hoffman if he were still alive and in charge. even muckler could do better seeing as how he got the 2nd overall (spezza), chara, and a 3rd piece for yashin.

And I believe my guarentee was we could get that if we had a better GM that wasn't named pierre dorian.



07 Jul 2018 18:19:55
Ok so Tampa and Ottawa are close to a deal but Tampa want a 3rd or maybe even 4th team involved to dump some cap so.

Ott : sergachev, point, Johnson, nyi 1st

Tbl : Karlsson, white, ott 3rd, nyr 6th

Nyi : palat, Ryan, pageau, tbl 2nd

Nyr : Callahan, tbl 3rd

Rangers get a fan favorite back plus upgrade their pick for next to nothing

Islanders get 2 top 6 guys with scoring touch to fill the void left by tavares plus a serviceable 3rd line center by downgrading their 1st to a 2nd

Ottawa gets a 1st back plus 2 promising young talents bu taking on Johnson's cap to replace Ryan's

Tampa dumps a bunch of cap but upgrades a late 3rd to what will prob be an early 3rd plus they get a 6th a high end prospect who will fit nicely with them and oh yeah the best defenceman in the world.

Killorn stamkos kucherov
Gourd miller cirelli

Hedman Karlsson
Mcdonagh Girardi

Deadly at both ends.


1.) 07 Jul 2018 19:07:28
Islander and rangers get hose very bad.

2.) 07 Jul 2018 19:29:22
Aiii this makes no sense so lemme break it down:

TB Acquires: Karlsson, White, 3rd, 6th
TB Trades: Serg, Point, Johnson, Palat, Callahan, 2nd, 3rd

OTT Acquires: Sergachev, Point, Johnson, 1st
OTT Trades: Karlsson, White, Ryan, Pageau, 3rd

NYI Acquires: Palat, Ryan, Pageau, 2nd
NYI Trades: 1st

NYR Trades: 6th
NYR Acquires: Callahan, 3td

Okay. putting into perspective, ottawa, as per usual with rambo propsosals, fleeces everyone. You get potentially a top5 pick, serg and point for EK w one year left, a terrible contract that will take at least a 1st to get rid off, some throw aways and colin white.

Lets say white = johnson.
pageaus worth nothing in the grand scheme of things; karlsson gets one of serg or point and a 1st (NOT AN NYI FIRST THAT COULD BE TOP10), and ryan takes away value from the deal. that's a ripoff by Ottawa.

tampa gets fleeced too, downgrading from Johnson to White, and then basically all of their youth and a 60 pount winger in Palat for EK. that's not even close to fair. Sure they get rid of callahan but his contract is MUCH easier to get rid of than Ryans, and Ottawa got more value back that way in the proposed deal. And don't tell me Callahans contract is worse and weighs down the deal. Ryans contractis 10x worse.

and nyi doesn't make that deal that pixk can be top10 and nobody wants ryan.

and itll take more to entice NYR to take Callahan.

3.) 07 Jul 2018 20:27:56
Islanders take on a brutal contract, a 3rd liner and a decent player that won’t help their case rebuilding and in return take their first rounder (probably top 5) and downgrade to Tampa’s 2nd (should be 55-62). Lol this is awful.

In reality Bobby Ryan is nothing more than a bad contract which the islanders can take but would want a first rounder to do it.

On your mind he’s still a good player. which hurts their rebuild.

Either way you just involved the islanders to help the senators, not themselves lol.

4.) 07 Jul 2018 20:50:07
You're setting yourself up for a major disappointment again.

5.) 07 Jul 2018 22:31:37
There is absolutely no chance that Karlsson goes for any less than both sergachev and point plus a 1st so get over you unrealistic expectations. Ottawa lost enough trades and getting fleeced on this one is simply not an option.

On top of all that Tampa is up against the cap with or with getting Karlsson as kucherov is up for a huge raise soon and point sergachev cirelli and gourds will also be getting substantial raises. with 3 million in space how do you propose they pull it off?

Tampa after this type of deal can afford to sign EK and give kucherov his raise plus have enough down the road for gourde and cirelli plus they get a future replacement for Johnson in white.

Rangers hardly get fleeced when all they give up is a 6th and in return they get back a fan favourite and a 3rd they come out great and Tampa dumps a bad contract.

Ottawa gets value for value and dumps an overpayed/ not bad contract in Ryan.

Islanders get 2 guys who consistantly get 50+ points a season and a playoff performer 3rd line center by downgrading a 1st to a 2nd.

No matter how you look at it no team gets fleeced in this.

Ottawa gets a future

Tampa forms the realist defence in the league without losing its stride up front and dumps a lot of un needed cap

Islanders get a few pieces to lessen the blow of losing tavares

Rangers basically get something for nothing as a 6th making it in NHL is basically a what? 5% chance?

All teams get better after this.

And fyi no way in hell Johnson equals white. Johnson been going downhill and is slightly overpayed just like Ryan. Tampa is actually trying to move him anyway with or without ek trade.

Plus both rangers and islanders have more than enough cap space to take on these contracts after these last 6 months.

6.) 08 Jul 2018 00:49:06
Unbiased jim how does this not help the islanders? They are not in rebuild and are set to offer a huge offer sheet to either Matthew's or marner next season. don't you think either of those guys will want someone to play with? A top 6 of 1 of those 2, barzal, eberle, bailey, Lee, and either Palat, or Ryan sounds pretty solid to me and 1 of those guys on 3rd line with pageau gives massive depth. a team like that wouldn't need a rebuild for a while. and that's not even counting wahlstrom who will also be joining the team eventually this trade definately makes the islanders strong enough to be a playoff team this season and if they land one of the big toronto 2 next season they'll be even crazier.

Then you got the rangers who have tons of cap space and essentially give a useless pick to get a decent pick and a guy who is familiar with their team. again rangers get stronger too.

Tampa needs to dump a contract or 2 for kucherov to be affordable anyway so why not dump 3 huge contracts and bring in the top defenseman in the world to boot. on top of that point sergachev gourde cireli and Miller are going to want big raises as well when contracts are up and there is no way tamp can afford all 5 so it makes sense to use 2 to get a huge piece that can put them over the edge like Karlsson can by jacking up their defence and giving the younger guys they still would have a shot at more ice time it's obvious that Tampa is not only more affordable after the deal but also much stronger for it plus with all the guys moving out white gets a shot to join NHL roster much sooner.

I for one as a true Sens fan would consider any less than a trade involving point and sergachev type players and a 1st round pick a massive loss on Sens part. a loss that cannot be allowed after every other garbage trade Dorian has made.

7.) 08 Jul 2018 04:41:03
Thanks topshelf for putting that into english for everyone, and you're right ottawa wins every trade proposal rambo makes by a landslide.

8.) 08 Jul 2018 07:57:53
Rambo, you’re an idiot. If Matthews and marner want good players to play with, they sign with Toronto and get each other, Tavares, Nylander, marleau, Kadri, Rielly, Gardiner etc to play with lol

If you think either of them leave the leafs right now to go to the islanders you’re dumber than I thought.

Secondly you say no way Karlsson gets traded unless Sergachev AND Point are coming back?! I take that bet all day long. You will be dead wrong again like always

And I love “Sens have lost too many trades lately, they can’t lose this one too! ” It’s the same owner and same GM that made the rest of the trades haha why would you expect different?!

9.) 08 Jul 2018 14:05:24

You know why the TB/ OTT deal didn’t happen some nights ago? Because your stupid ownerr wanted to include RYan too and NOBODYYYYY wants his LUDRICIS comtract.

Arguing with you is like arguing with a brick wall. Get over it man. You aren't getting Point, Johnson, Sergachev and a top 10 pick for EK and Pageau, as Ryan basically neglects White.

10.) 08 Jul 2018 15:31:08
Biased jim. yeah because they will totally want to take a massive pay cut to stay in toronto lmfao gtfoh. after signing tavares at 11 mil per season how do you expect them to even have to cap room to sign all the other 3? Nylanader is going to get around 7 million marner around 9 million and Matthew's around 11 million. how do you want them to pay the rest of the team? In the form of a case of beer? Lmfao if they get a great offer they will leave like tavares did.

Top shelf crappers. use your head. Ryan is top 6. puts up identical numbers to palat. only difference is 2.25 million overpayment. yet Ryan sucks and palat don't right? Go sell that garbage to someone who will actually buy it. I actually follow hockey and don't buy in to the trashy comments like that. I like most real hockey fans know exactly what Ryan is capable of and does for our team.

11.) 08 Jul 2018 15:51:24
There’s a better chance of Karlsson being waived by the sens for Extra cap room and being claimed by CSKA Moscow then the sens getting Point and Sergachev in the same deal.

Also I’m willing to bet my legs and arms that Mathews and Marner don’t sign an offer sheet.

12.) 08 Jul 2018 16:52:01
Unless the leafs move Marleau kadri brown rielly and Gardiner before they need to sign those 2 I'd gladly take a bet on that vbbvbb it's easy money.

Sens won't take any less than both those guys plus a 1st. they aren't taking another loss so get over it and stop overvaluing other teams players and undervaluing sens players.

13.) 08 Jul 2018 16:58:55
If you are proven wrong again Rambo, will you please leave this site? You just look to start sh*t every day.

14.) 08 Jul 2018 17:26:46
As shown on my other post penguins in 2014 signed 5 players- Crosby, Malkin, Neal, letang and fleury for 58.5 of the salary cap

Leafs could pay Nylander 6.5, matthews 11.25 ans marner 8.5 and that would mean they’re using 62% of their cap on 7 players - Tavares, Matthews, marner, Nylander, Kadri, Rielly and Andersen.
That’s how lol.

15.) 08 Jul 2018 17:36:36
I agree with leafs17, please just take a hike rambo. you're annoying to even senators fans, your insight is always a joke. saying things like "what bobby ryan brings to our team" and speaking of his capabilities or whatever, the guy is a cap dump. with 29 million dollars still left on his deal, he could be the biggest cap dump in the league. saying that you "actually follow hockey" could be debated by many on here, as you are inaccurate with mostly everything you say. your knowledge of the NHL and hockey in general is weak and you probably can't tell the difference between your ass and your face. and yet, we have to put up with your ignorance everyday.

16.) 08 Jul 2018 19:06:36
I won’t say another word on the Karlsson thing till he’s traded, but if Ottawa get ”atleast Point, Sergachev and a 1st” I will make a post saying Rambo was right and Dorian is a Jedi.

If they get what is actually realistic (a young roster player, prospect and 1st) then Rambo should admit he’s completely clueless and knock off the Sens boas BS.

17.) 08 Jul 2018 22:30:22
Ramo, take a hike. Kadri, Rielly, Brown are all on team friendly contracts. Its not going to happen.

18.) 09 Jul 2018 03:22:59
Leafs I ain't starting anything. the reason I joined this site is because I like reading rumors on my team but when I found this site all I seen was tracy 1 sided rumors that were more of a laugh than believable. 1 guys posts were respectable and even he don't post anymore so I needed to provide a voice for real hockey fans who wanted to see respectable rumors rather than the trash posted here.

And as for you facelift please don't mistake yourself for a Sens fan because that's a joke in itself. if you were you wouldn't be arguing with common sense. as for your Bobby Ryan comment, should we all band together and call the executives of NHL. com and tell them to fix their stats categories? Seeing as how you all love to argue how ryan ain't worth nothing shouldn't his stats reflect that at least? Because for someone ot worth anything his stats certainly don't reflect that in any way. teams want point. He provides points. Any arguments are POINTLESS and wrong!




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15 Jun 2018 21:11:03
Straight from Bruce garrioch hockey anylist

Teams interested in Hoffman include


Current asking price for him that talks have started with are a 2019 1st round pick and a top 6 forward, expected to get a minimum of the 2019 1st and a high end prospect. like I said my value rating are much closer than majority of yours.

That being said the best case scenario for ottawa would be to make either of those deals with Vancouver as they are in the worst shape of those teams after sedins retiring and unless they get Tavares too I don't see them doing that well and could get sens a top pick again.


1.) 15 Jun 2018 21:48:52
That's the ask not what they got/ will get. And is that before or after the allegations.

2.) 16 Jun 2018 00:20:48
Once the value falls down to a 2019 2nd and a decent prospect I’ll be the 1st to post on here.

3.) 16 Jun 2018 02:08:36
Bro Hoffman is a top 6 winger. Your not getting a first to swap top six wingers. Lmao.

4.) 17 Jun 2018 02:37:14
Topshelfslappers tell that to new York and Chicago statsny not the player he once was and Hartman is barely a top 6 player but both fetched 1st rounders. hoffman is better than both of those guys. you can convince everyone else that he ain't worth much but I actually follow the sport.

Blackalpacka as of June 16th on tsn. Hoffman's girls actions don't affect his workplace value.

And vbbvbb when he fetches a 1st rounder plus something I'll be the one on here saying I told you so and down with the trolls.

Asking price = 1st in 19 and top 6 forward

Expected return = 1st in 19 and a high end prospect

Watch as it happens!

5.) 17 Jun 2018 18:04:50
Good thing Rambo follows the sport. I thought we were talking about golf all these years. Every time a know it all disappears from this site, a new one takes the place.



07 Jun 2018 05:23:23
Here is TSN Hockey’s first Trade Bait list of the summer, which seeks to blend prominence of player with likelihood of a trade:

1., OTT Erik Karlsson
2., BUF Ryan O'Reilly
3., OTT Mike Hoffman
4., CAR Jeff Skinner
5., MTL Max Pacioretty
6., WSH Phillip Grubauer
7. Canucks' No. 7 overall pick
8., ARI Oliver Ekman-Larsen
9., PIT Phill Kessel
10., NSH P. K. Subban
11., CAR Justin Faulk
12., CAR Noah Hanifin
13., FLA Alex Petrovick
14., CGY Dougie Hamilton
15., WPG Jacob Trouba
16., BUF Erasmus Ristolainen
17., PIT Connor Sheary
18., EDM Milan Lucic
19., ARI Max Domi
20., MTL Alex Galchenyuk
21., WSH Alex Burakovsky
22. VAN Chris Tanev
23., NYR Vladislav Namestnikov
24., BUF Sam Rienhart
25., ANA Corey Perry.


1.) 07 Jun 2018 07:10:19
Could see BUF trading for Grubauer.
The Lehner experiment hasn’t gone so well.

Subban being on this list surprises me. For what reason would they move him? He’s been great in NAS.

2.) 07 Jun 2018 13:25:00
The fact that Jacob Trouba, Dougie Hamilton and especially Rasmus Ristolainen are on the list shows it has zero credibility.

3.) 07 Jun 2018 14:37:13
I don’t know if the subban on the move rumours are related to just purely money (Ellis gets paid next year and Josi after that and Johannson and turris have $14 in fresh deals also), or the fact they think fabbro is ready for a lot bigger role (clearly not going to replace subban, but could bring a good portion of what subban brings for exactly 10% of the wage) or if he has worn out his welcome around the team already which tends to happen with big personalities.

4.) 08 Jun 2018 01:38:24
Seen a few things about Lucic being shopped so he probably sky rocketed up the list.
And yeah Hanifin, Reinhart, Burakovsky, the young guys kinda surprise me. Lol weird how you can be one game away from winning the cup and be in the trade rumours.

5.) 08 Jun 2018 22:51:29
Happens every year tho. When you win the cup, a handful of guys that are usually small pieces of that team get the spotlight and perform well. Then you’re forced a little to over pay to keep some and therefore guys have to be traded or let go to make room. Stanley cup rings get 3rd and 4th line players 2nd line money all the time. Usually the team regrets it, but it happens.

6.) 08 Jun 2018 22:55:48
Hawks loved Andrew shaw and what he brought to the team, but they loved him at 2-2.5mill for 3-4 more years. Not 4 mill for 6 years lol.

7.) 09 Jun 2018 01:31:14
Burakovsky has one more year on his contract but yeah you make a good point.

8.) 09 Jun 2018 11:45:31
-Ducks asked Perry for his 8 team no trade list.
-Jason Gergor has said on Edm radio that Lucic said he would welcome a trade. I still don't think he will be traded.
-Namestnikov fits NYR plans of a rebuild on the fly, no?
-Hamilton should be an u touchable on Calgary in my opinion. They should try and trade Brodie or Gio way before Hamilton
Just a few thoughts.



18 May 2018 14:26:33
Explain to me how Ceci not worth a 1st but krug for 10th overall rumors are surfacing on more reliable sites than this?

Truth is krug is not much better than Ceci just had better defence partner for a number of years that made him look good. krug played with chara as opposed to Ceci playing with either Phaneuf or Cowan the entire time.

If that deal happens then no doubt Ceci value goes way up.


1.) 18 May 2018 16:28:30
Krugs main defence partner that apparently "made him look good" was adam Mcquaid. Krugs just an offensive dynamo.

2.) 18 May 2018 17:41:34
Yeah. Krug has not been sheltered or made look good by his partner lol I haven’t really noticed ceci being bad like some people have said, but in all the years of watxhinhim face the leafs, he’s never overly impressed me either. Krug was a game changer in the series this year against the leafs.

3.) 18 May 2018 17:52:08
What? Krug is better than Cici tho. Like, it's not even questionable. Unless your a complete homer.
Ohhhhh, you are a complete homer so I understand why you would post this now.

Also, It's a rumor out of a Boston meadow guy saying he thinks Boston should try and trade Krug + for Klefbom, 10th overall.
Depending on that plus, I say F no. I was a better D than Krug (and I like Krug) for Klefbom and 10th (like adding a smaller piece for OEL, Risto type, someone slightly better than Krug anyways) . That plus better be pretty good to get Klefbom and 10th. IMO.

4.) 18 May 2018 18:24:07
Maybe cause Krug is much, much, much better than Ceci. Krug is a top line d man bordering on (If not already) elite and Ceci is at best a #4 d man.

5.) 18 May 2018 20:21:05
You’ve lost it Rambo.

6.) 19 May 2018 00:00:42
In what universe is krug an elite top 2 defenceman? Lmao.

Yes he's good and yes he's a bit better than Ceci but not by so much that he warrent a top 10 return and Ceci can't crack a 1st rounder return. sorry but you are incorrect xcing and it's painfully obvious.

AND numbnutz what games were you watching? Every Boston game I've seen the top 2 dpairs were

Chara krug
Mcquade seidenburg

At least since boychuck was snapped away from them. and before that krug was nothing special but sure he looked promising at the same time Ceci coming off a great personal year and starting to look promising again in his own right's.

7.) 19 May 2018 02:46:28
Krug become an elite d man when he got 50+ points last year then finished 15th in Norris voting and then proceeded to top that the next year with 59 points in less than 80 games (9th in D man scoring) . All while putting up fantastic advanced stats. Krug is most definately a top pair d man on almost every team.

Cody Ceci on the other hand had an astounding 19 points. But wait I hear you screaming that’s not what he’s good for. so what is he good for? His defence? All of his advance stats show that he is terrible defensively (not just this year) . But wait look at all that potential. oh wait he’s 25, not much of that left. He’s at best a #4 d man like I said before.

Ceci shouldn’t be considered close to as good as Krug and I truly hope you’re trolling.

8.) 19 May 2018 04:06:07
Hahahahahahaha. You're a clueless homer and its painfully obvious. It's hilarious really. Too good.

9.) 19 May 2018 05:48:11
I don't know if anyone else here looks at HERO charts but it puts grades players out on their advanced stats and rates to compare them to other players and archetypes. Uses 3 years of data. doesn't have last years yet but from 14-15 to 16-17 Krug and Ceci aren't even close. In fact Krug compares to a bonafide #1 dman by their comparison and Ceci is below 3rd pair in shot generation and suppression (although goals/ 60 were high due to his low ice time and first assits/ 60 were just above average 3rd pair)

10.) 19 May 2018 13:31:06
NoBias, you know that Seidenberg is an Islander right? And you know that Bostons dcore is

Chara - McAvoy
Krug - Miller
Carlo - Grzelcyk


11.) 19 May 2018 17:25:24
Hahahahahahahaha. Krug playing with Seidenberg. Man that's awesome. Clueless, Like I said.

12.) 19 May 2018 21:47:15
Yup, you should have read that I say char was krug partner not seidenburg. and mccavoy only burst on to the scene really part way through this year.

Also kind've tough for Ceci to stand out any more that he did when he traded a lamp post for a pilon over the last few years in Cowan for Phaneuf both of which he had to carry and did a great job of by the way. give him a real partner and see what happens.

Not saying hell be better that krug but definately better than you guys give him credit for.

13.) 20 May 2018 00:35:07
Seidenberg is an Islander, has been for the past two years. that's the second time I've said it. And what quantum realm do you live in, McAvoy has been a Bruin this entire year.

14.) 21 May 2018 20:36:50
That seids comment really made me chuckle. Also as TopShelf said McAvoy has been playing for Boston since last years playoffs. At this point i can't tell if the guys joking or not but i found some good entertainment in it.



16 May 2018 19:57:07
Ok people these Erik karlsson rumors are getting old, tiresome and really annoying real fast. I've litterally seen 1 maybe 2 options that make any sense in a karlsson trade and y'all seem to think they are somehow over payments when they're NOT!

So let me put this into perspective for you all to see.

Turris went to Nashville, then everything the sens got for turris was packaged with a 1st next season, Hammond, and Shane bowers for Duchene who is not much better than turris to begin with. turris like Duchene is a former 3rd overall pick who's 1 year older than Duchene, bowers also a former 1st round pick.

So basically Duchene got them a 3rd overall, a mid 1st rounder, and an unknown 1st that could be better than 3rd overall plus a backup goalie who's shown flashes of brilliance between the pipes.

Given the fact that EK is twice the player that Duchene is and is roughly the same age plus is a more coveted position as defensemen of that caliber are much tougher to find than forwards that means that EK would demand a minimum of a return worth double the return that Colorado got for Duchene.

AND that's NOT being biased towards ottawa like I know a few of you will moan about, that's just stating facts. While Duchene might be a top 50 or 100 player in the league today he still falls quite a bit short of EK who is easily top 3 in the world along side the likes of mcdavid and dare I say cry baby Crosby and there for would warrentvone of the biggest return packages you'll ever see.


1.) 16 May 2018 20:29:08
Dont know what triggered Rambo. but i haven't seen an EK post on this site in a long time.

2.) 16 May 2018 21:06:59
Lmao. Haven't seen an EK post for a while now. Wtf.
I'm not even reading your whole post, got through the first line.

3.) 16 May 2018 20:59:15
Turris was traded separately for a 2nd round pick.

4.) 17 May 2018 01:37:42
Nah, lmao. Duchene was never worth that, the entire hockey world knew that. Ottawa paid a heft sum to barely upgrade from Turris.

Duchenes value had plummeted. Everyone was surprised that Sakic actually got what he desired. Ottawa GM simply overpaid. EK, if traded will get a lot, but won't get like all of an elite young player, a first, an A+ prospect plus.

5.) 17 May 2018 02:09:13
Turris is equal to third overall than I guess Yakupov is worth first overall. You act like the nonsense you say is scientific. Lol EK’s value is exactly twice as much as Duchene’s?

6.) 17 May 2018 12:57:37
Ya Duchene was an overpayment from day one the hockey world was shocked OTT gave up that much. And he has term that Karlsson doesn't EK has 1 year left. If he's traded hell get a ton, more than most would probably be happy about giving but he's not getting what you think.

7.) 17 May 2018 21:30:34
Just because Ottawa paid that for Duchene and Karlsson is twice the player that Duchene is doesn’t mean squat lol oilers traded 2 picks to the islanders for griffin Reinhart. One became Barzal and I believe the other was beavillier. And darnel nurse is twice good as Reinhart, so nurse is worth 2 Barzals and 2 beauvilliers?! Hahaha no!

Oilers made a terrible trade for Reinhart and the world knows it. That doesn’t affect value beyond that trade. Sens over paid for Duchene, people can clearly see that and it’s in the past.

8.) 18 May 2018 03:51:23
Turris was drafted 3rd overall in his draft year oh brilliant one do the research if you don't agree.

and vbbvbb turris was traded to Nashville for prospects Samuel Girard, Vladislav Kamenev and a 2018 second-round draft pick which were all flipped to Colorado along with bowers Hammond a 1st and a 3rd for Duchene making Duchene value in that trade equal to the full value of turris plus a 1st 3rd Hammond and bowers. do your research.

AND EK will demand at least twice that despite what other fools might argue based on the bias against the sens!

EK either stays or he doubles that return or sens get gipped again which will not happen because Dorian knows if it does espessially with EK stone Duchene or Hoffman then the fans will be calling for his head guarenteed.

9.) 18 May 2018 11:22:25
EK to San Jose for Dillon, Boedker, Dell, 2nd confirmed.

10.) 18 May 2018 14:20:05
Lmfao ummm no!



27 Apr 2018 02:17:12
Ok let's step away from ottawa for a second. say Pittsburgh fails to reach the 3peat. they are known for making crazy deals like this anyway.

Pit : hagelin, sheary (if kovachuck resigns with them), a 2nd

Njd : 3rd, the rights to kovalchuck

With fluery contract off the books moving sheath and hagelin should give them more than enough space to sign kovalchuk as much as I hate them this does make sence for them.

Kovalchuk Crosby guentzel
Hornqvist Malkin kessel

1 2 punch of deadly proportions and still have a cheap brassard for 3rd line crazy to think.

Maybe turn letang into a couple depth guys as he's injury prone anyway and Shultz and Mata are Ready to carry the load on back end anyway.



1.) 27 Apr 2018 08:04:00
Well Rambo, Kovalchuck will be a UFA and free to sign with anyone he wants. No one is going to trade for his rights right now. Come on man.

2.) 27 Apr 2018 18:01:09
Kovalchuck is 35 year old. Pitts shouldn't even try to get him. i'm not saying he isn't useful anymore but not as first line minutes.




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28 Jul 2018 21:03:05
Not a chance. Ottawa not getting fleeced again let alone in a Karlsson deal.




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21 Jul 2018 18:11:44
Why make that trade yupp? Easy the 1 year left on spezza is why. if we can't flip him before his contract expires we can afford to let him walk for nothing and not miss him that's why.

I'm not arguing spezza production when playing big minutes ctc I'm saying Ryan's number are nearly as good with a huge difference being that for every goal spezza is a part of offensively he is responsible for 4 more against his team. giveaway with no backchecking hurt your team no matter how many you score. Ryan is far more responsible in that regard which is why he still plays top 6 while spezza was recently demoted to 4th line si yeah 100% coming from someone who's seen both guys play I'd take Ryan any given day of my life but it's a business and trying to dump a 1 year bad contract is better than trying to dump a 3 year bad contract.

Speaking of bad contracts jim you might want to look back at your poor research. spezza makes 8 million on a cap hit this I know for a fact as it was Ottawa that signed him and heatley to those deals.

N donscherry Ottawa is not a mediocre to bad team they just had a bad year due to a lot of different factors that I am done repeating to children. at worst they are an average to above average team that much is common sense.




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21 Jul 2018 17:50:35
This is laughable easy Ottawa says no and walking away.




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20 Jul 2018 18:02:08
Ho is this better for Ottawa in terms of needs? Lol

Skill for skill = number 1 center for bonafide number one defence

Bad contract swap = top 6 winger for bottom 3 center

Goalie swap = regular season performer 1/ 2 the time for playoff performer

Only thing Ottawa gets out of it is a bid contract with shorter duration. the rest look almost dead even.




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20 Jul 2018 17:44:18
Vbbvbb Ryan plays top 6 and still puts up respectable numbers. spezza plays 4th line and puts I
Up peanuts now. Ryan also plays at both ends while spezza is never back checking I've seen the guy play lots bu far Ryan is an upgrade on spezza there's no question on that. I wander if you even think before you type stuff like that?

Also know that benn was a center before Seguin was even in dallas, he centered eriksons line so no hanzal wouldn't be number 1 and Ryan is STILL a top 6 forward.





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