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13 Jun 2018 14:46:04
Ok so I'm curious just how out of touch with reality some of you are here so let's judge on reactions to this.
Ottawa currently has a new issue that pretty much guarentees a Hoffman trade so.

Ottawa : Hoffman, white, the 4th overall, ceci

Buffalo : 1st overall, 3rd rounder

Why does buffalo do this?

Because it's above maximum value for that pick and helps them in every area possible while allowing them to remain in the top 5 picks of the draft on top of that.

Why does ottawa do this?

To get a star back in the Hoffman trade who can make a difference now. Hoffman is a good as gone after recent issues involving his girlfriend so why not maximise his return value by adding a high end prospect in white, a top 4 defenceman in Ceci, and a 4th overall pick and prying the 1st overall out of buffalo?

If you all think there is something wrong with this trade or that ottawa not giving enough here you might want to feel your heads because you may be seriously sick. While dahlin is amazing the top 4 pick will be a top 6 / top 4 guy more likely than not, white will also eventually crack top 6, Ceci already top 4, and hoffman already a top 6 60 point getter. that kind of package can get you pretty much any player you want from any team.


1.) 13 Jun 2018 15:11:06
Why Buffalo doesn’t do it?

There isn’t a player in that package they need more than Dahlin.

2.) 13 Jun 2018 15:48:42
Chabot instead of Ceci and they think about it for 2 seconds.

3.) 13 Jun 2018 16:13:48
MTRL galgher 1 rnd 2 rnd
OTTW Huffman karlson both teams get what need.

4.) 13 Jun 2018 16:29:14
The whole sens franchise isn’t worth Dahlin.

5.) 13 Jun 2018 16:55:21
Mcjesus get real dude trade is an over payment as is they wouldn't have to add Chabot.

Other guy with the inappropriate name that I can't mention without having my message blocked or unseen, pretty sure Hoffman is in that deal as well as a shot at zadina or tkechuck, pretty sure buffalo needs scoring, pretty sure a 60 point proven winger/ center like Hoffman and a highly rated draftee like zadina or tkechuck provide that, they need toughness, pretty sure tkechuck alone screams toughness, they need a decent defence partner for ristolainen which ceci provides them with, and after moving kane recently depth is also a need, white gives them extra depth and future trade value as he too is expected to be a high end player down the road.

I wanted to see if my claims were true or not and these reactions to this trade specifically prove to the entire world that the people on this site are nothing more than video game gms who have no concept of reality.

6.) 13 Jun 2018 16:59:18
Habs4cup ottawa trying to move Hoffman to get them away from one another. did you not here the recent news concerning their girls?

Even if that wasn't the case that trade you mentioned isn't enough for karlsson alone let alone both lol.

7.) 13 Jun 2018 18:40:01
Rambo I feel you over value Hoffman just a little he is a good top 6 WINGER not a center. Ceci is a #3-4 Dman and is no where near what Dahlin can bring to the sabers. also if you argue that sabers need a D to play with Risto then your trade is flawed as him and Ceci both shoot Right and neither play there off side naturally while Dahlin is expected to jump right into the NHL. Also white is a great prospect but sabers don't need center depth as that's there strength. I'm not saying no based on value value wise it's close but NEED wise it's not.

8.) 13 Jun 2018 19:43:43
Lol Rambo it doesn’t matter who you give off sens buffalo will NEVER trade dahlin get a clue bud.

9.) 13 Jun 2018 22:16:13
Having a clue is not Rambo's strong suit.

10.) 14 Jun 2018 02:50:46
I couldn’t put it any better than how CTC55 laid it out.

11.) 14 Jun 2018 03:42:08
Scouts have been quoted saying Dahlin is the best defenseman they’ve seen in decades. Comparable to Lidstrom. LIDSTROM. You can’t actually think a package where the highlight is Hoffman would even be considered, can you?

Dahlin is a #1D on any team in the league. Posting trades for him is just a waste of time, it’s not going to happen.

12.) 14 Jun 2018 04:20:31
Ctc55 sure Ceci is not dahlin but he is a solid top 4 defenceman. add a top 6 winger/ center in Hoffman a top 4 pick and a high end prospect in white and the value is more than there.

Look up Hoffman's history bro he started out as a center not a winger and can play both.

13.) 14 Jun 2018 11:36:37
Rambo. Hoffman has literally never played center at the nhl level. He just flat out is not a center man. Also, Ceci is definitly not a very solid top 4 Defenceman. Sure us Sens fans can say that in hopes to increase his trade value, but he just isnt. He has proven time and again that he just isn't the elite rhd that sens management think he is.

14.) 14 Jun 2018 13:54:45
Incoming: durrrrp it’s a conspiracy you guys are undervaluing muh senatours.

15.) 14 Jun 2018 14:00:36
Rambo read before you write I never said value wasn't there, it's the fact that Buffalo's needs don't match that what you are offering rn. They are far from a Stanley cup run and this would be a trade to a team that just missed out on the playoffs and won the draft but Buffalo has to many holes to fill to give up a 1st OVA in a trade that fills maybe 1 need of 4 and only fills it for likely 2 years.

16.) 14 Jun 2018 22:44:28
And ctc55 Ceci not the only one going to sabers in this deal.

White is expected to be a top 6 center in a few years time.

Hoffman is a top 6 winger who can play center and logs big point totals of 60 plus annually for going on5 years now and isn't slowing down.

And the 4th overall is going to easily be a top 6 guy no matter who it turns out to be assuming the team with the pick don't take a major risk and pick outside the obvious top 4 players available.

Add Ceci who is top 4 defenceman and young and cheap in his own right's and how does that not equal over the value of dahlin?

I get the guy is highly hyped but honestly what's he really done to deserve that hype? In his current league he only put up 20 something points in 40 something games and his plus minus isn't that special, hec boqvist, dobson, and bouchard all have better stat totals, and while he did great at world juniors he didn't stand out as much as you would think he would and never won the gold.

To be honest I could see a small chance he follows Erick Johnson's footsteps of being over hyped and not living up to it. like I said SMALL CHANCE!

17.) 15 Jun 2018 03:53:11
Rambo you just aren’t taking anyone’s input though you just think you’re right and nothing else. So let me break it down for you

1) Ceci no matter how high you are on him he is an TFA rn and is a #4 d-man and will always be that he’s not going to blow you away with points but he can log you 20-23 minuets a night guy
2) you keep saying Hoffman is an annual 60 points guy but fact is he’s only done that once in his career and at the NHL level hasn’t played Center.
3) white is an amazing prospect but what the sabres need rn isn’t a young center as they already have there top 3 centers that are still fairly young
4) the 4th OVA is good but who knows how good the player might be
5) Dahlin was playing against men an put up those numbers he was in the SHL not a junior league like all those D you listed to go after him, when Boqvist was put into the SHL he looked out of place and weak compared to all the other players.

So Rambo if you don’t listen to what people are saying then you’ll never be agreed with stop hyping your senators up, fact is no one really knows the value of any player spot on but at the very least look at what the other team needs and work from that but as it stands rn Dahlin is worth more than anything because of the hype will he turn out who knows but as of now nothing can match his value.

18.) 15 Jun 2018 11:59:16
Ctc55 I've been following the nhl for quire some time now since I was like 8 years old dude. Hoffman played majority of his rookie and softmore years for ottawa as a center. he split between center and wing I know that for a fact as I was at a few of those early games watching him. And the 60 point thing ok I'll change my wording so you can understand his point per game average has been at a 60 points annually pace if given a full season of games, better? And he put up 56 points this past year playing on several different lines with several different line mates and not having an instant chemistry with Duchene, majority of this year was on 3rd line with pageau and he still did that so do I carry a high value on him? Yes and it's well earned and deserved.

And Ceci is what 24? He's still young and still has room to improve before his prime.

The 4th is a guarentee if used right. Svechnikov, tkechuck, and zadina are all nhl ready and will be huge stars where ever they go. Only 2 can be picked before pick 4 unless dahlin drops which is even better so either way the 4th gives great value to the trade.

Sabers are shopping cruelly dude so white coming in would easily fill that wood at number 2 or 3.

I'm not discounting everyone else I'm actually asking a number of times why certain players and picks specifically ones that belong to sens are always so undervalued compared to players and picks belonging to other teams but of the same level and constantly get no response or a laughable troll post.

19.) 15 Jun 2018 13:32:36
Its because No one and I mean NO ONE knows any value and because if you watch a guy more and more you rather fall in love with the guy or hate him I'm not trying to be mean or anything, I just pull out the facts I see I apologize if I came off as rude but I was just stating why I think it will not work and why Buffalo will not do it. And the only reason I think Ottawa would pay that price is the whole Hoffman drama going on if that wasn't happening I doubt Ottawa would do this.

20.) 18 Jun 2018 12:38:17
Ok fair enough on your last comment. I believe it would help buffalo adding those 4 as they are all pretty much nhl ready with 2 of 4 already nhl proven too, but i can see your point too as to why it wouldn't make them a contentor right away.

As for whoever made the negative comment on Ceci dude carried a pilon for 3 seasons and made that pilon look better than he is I'd say that's a good number 3 dman.

And hoff68 for a guy with that name you certainly haven't followed the player all that closely. His rookie season saw him center the 4th line and at times the 3rd line. I was at a few of those game and remember them well because I won some good money bets at a couple of them.



09 Jun 2018 15:13:31
Saw this one on a facebook post and thought it was great with all the trouble in Ontario between players management owners and coaches. it will never happen because same division rival teams but would be kind've funny to see and would affect the battle of Ontario in a way no other trade ever has.

Tor : Matthews, marner, nylander

Ott : karlsson, Hoffman, 2nd, chlapic, batherson


Ottawa trades Ryan to Arizona for future considerations then takes him back after arizona eats half his contract by giving Arizona the 22nd overall


ottawa buys out burrows and gaborik and gets MacArthur to retire


ottawa signs Carlson to replace karlsson, and also signs tavares


ottawa gets lucky as Montreal drafts tkechuck allowing ottawa to take zadina at number 4

Marner Tavares stone
Nylander Matthews zadina
Dzingle pageau Ryan (50% contract)
Pyatt Smith pajarvi

Chabot Carlson
Ceci wideman
Borowieski lajoie
Claeson Harpur


Make Smith pageau Ceci and Ryan (half price) available for the right price to make room for brown formenton and white.


1.) 09 Jun 2018 15:31:03
That package dosent get Mathews alone and especially not Marner.

2.) 09 Jun 2018 16:58:52
Imo Karlsson (resigned) and Matthews are close in value. But you won't get Marner and Nylander for what's left.

3.) 09 Jun 2018 17:09:27
Vbbvbb don't make me laugh. Karlsson and the 2nd gets Matthews and nylander without a doubt. Matthews is somewhere between toews - marchand level and worth where karlsson is Crosby - mcdavid level and worth. there is a huge difference there dude. and marner and hoffman are equals out of age which is made up by chlapic and on top of all that batherson sweetened th pot for Toronto.

Clearly it would never happen but it's not because value is not there because it definately is. it's because they are divisional rivals and neither will want to risk their players dominating that many games against them.

4.) 09 Jun 2018 18:06:59
Marner and Mathews are “ ABOUT “ equal i wouldn’t trade Marner for 10 Hoffman’s. And Karlsson resigned is worth a lot but because of age he is worth less then Mathews and Marner. As a rental he isn’t worth much. A lot of people will dissagree but I’ll take Mathews over Marner.

5.) 09 Jun 2018 18:07:14
Marner over Mathews*.

6.) 09 Jun 2018 19:45:49
Also I am going to get things straight with you and teach you what hockey is because you clearly haven’t watched then Sens or leafs play.

Hoffman is a 1 dimensional winger who probably is the biggest defensive liability in the NHL. He is a 25-25 second line winger that every team has and isn’t worth much. he might be worth a late first and a decent prospect. Definitely less then a younger Braydon Schenn who puts up more points, can play center and is a stud defensively.

EK is one of the best deffensman in the game but after his surgery he hasn’t looked the same. He is a pending UFA and won’t resign in Ottawa so his value is at an all time low. Definitely not worth Mathews or Marner

Nylander is a stud. He’s 20 years old and was 2nd on the leafs in points he is better then Hoffman in every way and is 7 years younger

Mathews is s top 10 player in the NHL as a 20 year old him Dahlin, McDavid, Liane and Eichel are the future of the NHL and he’s already a player teams have to build a game plan around to stop. This was quickly realized after he made Erik Karlsson and the sens look silly by scoring 4 goals in his 1st game as an 18 year old.

Marner is an offensive Dynamo who is often compared and expected to develop to a player in between Guadreau-PKane caliber.

There is no way this package gets one of them.

7.) 09 Jun 2018 20:31:49
Wow, it’s almost sad how overvalued Matthews is here. and I thought Canucks fans were delusional sometimes.

8.) 09 Jun 2018 20:33:40
Haha excellent troll job. Even got some Leafs fans to bite.

Unless you're delusional enough to believe this has merit.

Karlsson is 27, and about to be very expensive.

Matthews is 7 years younger, and still on an ELC. No, Karlsson and a 2nd doesn't get you Matthews, because the Leafs don't trade him for that. In fact, they probably laugh in your face.

Similarly, Nylander is 6 years younger than Hoffman. Sure, they are about the same player right now. But the fact that you did not account for age differences speaks volumes about your knowledge of their respective values, and your hockey knowledge in general.

The spare parts left over in this deal do not come close to Marner.

And what are the issues you are speaking of with management and players in Ontario? Last time I checked Melnyk was a joke the Sens management a tire fire. Pretty sure those are problems exclusive to Ottawa.

Yet another embarrassing moment for Ol' Rambo.

9.) 09 Jun 2018 23:51:07
Ottawa gets lucky lmao.

10.) 10 Jun 2018 01:11:22
Vbbvbb get real dude Hoffman has been much better defensively since Boucher took over as coach and Alison has the ability to play center as that's where he began his career. if you even watched the sens you know all of that. marner and hoffman put up identical point totals when Hoffman is not forced to learn a new chemistry with a new line mate like he was this year. or did you forget he went for an extended period without putting up many points because he was trying to develope a chemistry with duchene but still managed 59 points on the year?

Karlsson value is far from low even on his last year especially when Matthews marner and nylander all have to resign as well. and as I've said before with other players such as Ryan 1 bad season don't define a players worth. Karlsson is the best best defenceman in the world today and whether he is the best or worst player in the world, being forced to return way too early from a career threatening injury and doing it without a training camp to boot is going to affect him no matter what. but in case you forgot the return from the Matt Cooke Achilles tendon slice it was a very similar situation and result and will end up the same after. he will reclaim top spot no matter where he ends up.

Nylander is not better than Hoffman he is also equall. he put up 5 more points this year and played with Matthews all year as opposed to switching line mates a number of times throughout the year including having to developed a new chemistry with a new team mate in Duchene.

Matthews laine and eichel. are they great players? Yes. no doubt they are. are they mcdavid Crosby level great? Not a chance! They are toews kopitar level at best. Karlsson is however mcdavid Crosby level and therefore worth a lot more.

Marner is a wild card who shows flashes of brilliance but mainly is on same level as Hoffman stone and nylander all of which are under Matthews value who is under karlsson's value.

Add 2 solid prospects 1 who dominated world junior tournament this past year and the other who proved to be a force in ahl and is more than nhl ready next season both of which have shown top 6 potential and add the pick on top of all that. sure there's an age difference but that's why the sens would add the pick and the 2 high end prospects to make it up but even then both Hoffman and karlsson are in the prime of their careers at age 28 so are not considered old!

Next time you want to teach me something about hockey can you please do me a favour and actually learn something about it yourself?

It might help you actually make sence.

11.) 10 Jun 2018 01:18:53
Unsportsmanlike Matthews and Babcock are having issues too man. and like karlsson and hoffman the big 3 in Toronto are in contract years too. Matthews doesn't equal karlsson value. not a chance and pretty sure 2 high end prospects, a 2nd round pick, and a 60 point a year top 6 center who can play both center and wing are a lot more than spare parts. anyone with half a brain knows that!

It does have merit and you are delusional if you seriously can't see that.

12.) 10 Jun 2018 02:24:33
hahaha matthews overvalued that's funny. Karlsson won't get you matthews. and ryan has had more then one bad season with a horrible contract that no one wants. High end prospects yea ok. High end prospects are players like zadina, svechnikov and tkachuk that are going to be drafted. Batherson is a b prspect.
Tavares will never join Ottawa and carlson neither. you're the delusionalone that doesn't have a brain.

13.) 10 Jun 2018 03:53:36
The big three are coming up on new contracts as RFA's -- not UFA's -- there's a huge difference. Take the bath salts out of your nose and come back to reality.

"Two High End Prospects"

Chlapik who has 4 points in 20 career games?

Batherson -- a 4th round pick who may not even ever crack the Sens garbage roster?

Oh yeah I'm sure the Leafs are really eager to trade Marner for those guys. Especially since you threw in a 2nd.

That's the equivalent of the Leafs offering Ottawa Fred Gauthier, Vladislav Kara and a 2nd round pick for Mark Stone.

Do you ever get sick of wearing the duncecap around here?

14.) 10 Jun 2018 16:39:45
You are dilusional Karlsson is closer to Jake Gardiner then McDavid. I’d rather put McDavid as a dman then Karlsson.

15.) 10 Jun 2018 17:20:07
Zadinahabs let's give you a lesson on prospect tiers ok? We will start at the top and work our way down.

1 - generational talents

Guys like karlsson, crosby, mcdavid, and now being hyped as one dahlin guys who can carry an entire team on their backs, make a difference on a team that desperately needs it, and make everyone around them better.

2 - high end ELITE talents

Guys like stamkos, Malkin, Kane, ovechkin, Benn, and seguin guys who make those around them better, make a difference on a team than needs it, and can carry an entire team but needs a little help to do it.

3 - low end ELITE talents

This is where Matthews ranks with the likes of eichel, laine, marchand, and now being hyped svechnikov, zadina, and tkechuck guys who can make the difference on a bubble team, and while the make guys around them better they need help from those around them to change a teams misfortunes.

4 - high end prospects

Guys like guentzel, stone, Hoffman, marner, nylander, and now days batherson, formenton, chlapic, Dobson, bouchard, boqvist etc who are highly hyped because the dominated or are dominating the junior or AHL scenes and or are nhl ready and or will no doubt be an nhl player in the future at some point

5 - mid to low end prospects / busts

Guys who have little to no chance of ever amounting to anything only maybe 5 to 10 % of these actually reach the nhl level and maybe half of those who do actually remain in nhl without guzzling away.

16.) 10 Jun 2018 17:32:35
Unsportsmanlike yes chlapic who had 4 points in 20 games playing 4th line minutes on a team who's line up was filled with Boucher guys at the time so he didn't get much chance to crack it full time in a better spot but considering it was still a good job what he did do with his time there.

And yes batherson, you remember those 2 guys batherson and formenton who also is a sen by the way who practically dominated for team Canada in the world juniors this past year and are dominating in junior league's as well? You don't make any version of team Canada let alone both on the top line unless you have a high level of skill or potential.

Sorry to stomp on you're think you know it all parade again but you'll need to start following hockey a little closer if you want to give me your dunce cap lol.

17.) 10 Jun 2018 18:27:08
Marner>the extra pieces

Now that that's out of the way. Let's address the Matthews Karlsson dilemma. I'm taking Matthews all day long for the very simple reason that his extension will be much much less than Karlsson's. Karlsson is going to get paid next summer. Likely more than McDavid. Absolutely silly trade. 0 out of 10 would not recommend.

18.) 10 Jun 2018 18:41:36
Those two guys you mentioned dominated world juniors? Settle down man.

19.) 10 Jun 2018 18:55:37
Hahaha this guy just digs himself in deeper with every post. Quality laughs for the whole site!

I definitely don't know it all. But when fans from all different fanbases call out your consistently biased and unrealistic trades that coincidentally always favour the Senators, it's pretty evident you're the punchline.

Keep posting; we'll keep laughing and calling you out.

20.) 10 Jun 2018 19:00:28
Rambo you are bias

21.) 10 Jun 2018 21:18:59
LOL Hoffman a high end prospect. He’s 27. Mathews is definitely on the high end elite talent Catagory this was shown when he single hanededly destroyed the sens in his 1st nhl game. This shows he’s 2x the player as Karlsson and the sens. You can make a argument he's on the top Catagory considering he won that game by him self scoring all of Toronto’s goals. Karlsson did a great job leading his team to bottom 3 in the nhl what a great talent. If Mathews is level 3 he’s a bust.

22.) 11 Jun 2018 15:43:24
Vbbvbb what game were you watching? Yes Matthews scored 4 in his debut but leafs lost the did not win. at least not in this reality. and the over value on Matthews is hysterically laughable at best he is not even stamkos level and it's painfully obvious. when he hits top 15 in scoring then he can be classified as high end ELITE until then he's 3rd level at best karlsson actually hit top 5 in scoring all of 2 to 3 seasons ago and the following season his defensive stats improved to nearly match his offensive stats. only trolls will say his value diminishes because of this past season espessially with all the variables involved. with Hoffman prospect comments in case you are not smart enough to understand I was using players in the league in comparison to rookies prospects and picks and how they rank in terms of level of skill or what they are projected to become genious.

Unsportsmanlike it's the same 6 or 7 fools trying to argue the facts every time I post and the 2 guys that used to back me up don't post anymore. they prob left the site because of the unbelievable ignorance and bias against the sens.

23.) 11 Jun 2018 15:55:55
Mg 69

Reality check

Nylander skill wise = Hoffman skill wise

Nylander value = Hoffman value + 2nd pick value

Matthews or marner value.

24.) 11 Jun 2018 16:56:57
Vvvbbb or what ever calls someone delusional (spells it wrong) and goes on to say Karlsson is closer to Jake Gardiner then McDavid . like I remember when Gardiner is top 3 Norris candidate year in and out. and has been high in the hart trophy conversation, oh, nope, I'm thinking of Karlsson. And can I point out that there's literally 3 people on this sight that can spell simple words correctly so most of you I understand where your outrageous trade proposals come from.

25.) 11 Jun 2018 20:53:50
Sens fan here. Rambo you are looking at this one through Sens colored glasses.

Talent Karlsson > Matthews

Contract Karlsson.

26.) 11 Jun 2018 22:54:49
Wow Rambo not even your fellow Sens fan frippers is backing you up?

Bummer, I thought there was unbelievable bias against the Sens.

Or maybe, like always, you're biased, and frippers, despite also being a Sens fan, is not.

I'll give you this -- your ability to withstand public shaming and embarassment is off the charts. Kudos.



06 Jun 2018 13:37:49
Ott : 4th overall, 3rd round pick
Mon : 3rd overall

Montreal drops by 1 overall but still gets the center they are after in tkachuck while adding a 3rd rounder

Ottawa gains 1 overall to guarentee they get the goal scorer they need

Neither team needs to worry about former players being in same division as no actual players were involved when trade is made

Keep in mind rumors of tkechuck to Montreal regardless if this done or not so massive overpayments you all like won't apply here.


1.) 06 Jun 2018 13:52:23
The difference between 3 and 4 is greater than a 3rd round pick. There’s a drop off after 3.

2.) 06 Jun 2018 14:17:17
Wahhh you guys call me out for biased trades wahhh.

3.) 06 Jun 2018 14:19:22
Tkachuk is not a center. Central scouting may have him listed as a center but he is not a center.

4.) 06 Jun 2018 16:55:52
Said he’s capable of playing center. But, if they are looking for a center then they should go for Kotkaniemi.

5.) 06 Jun 2018 18:18:44
Either way tkechuck value has gone up and if montreal is targeting a center or someone who can play center or a defenceman like real rumors imply then why not move down 1 and gain a pick on top of that?

Xcing when you become an anylist employed by nhl or the sports network your opinion on a picks worth might mean something but for now I think I'll STICK WITH the experts opinions and my own.
Truth is the drop is after 4 now as tkechuck value has rissen in recent days and he's being billed as top 3 now just like svechnikov and zadina making any of the 3 top 3 quality. so is there that much of a difference between 3 and 4 really? NO there isn't and that favours ottawa because no matter who goes 2 and 3 they will be fine either way bit Montreal could use it as a chance to gain a 3rd rounder and still get the guy they want as I'm sure ottawa would prefer svechnikov or zadina anyway.

6.) 06 Jun 2018 19:08:52
If the habs trade down, they would trade down to get a natural center and have a higher return for the difference in the pick. I don't think it would be worth going down 1 spot for a 3rd round pick and still end up with a winger.
If the habs are going to pick Tkachuk, why would the sens give up a pick for no reason if that is actually what they think is going to happen.

7.) 07 Jun 2018 00:52:23
Depends how ottawa value zadina compared to other prospects if they value him a lot then I see them adding something more then a 3rd yo get the trade done a 2nd would be good and I don't think montreal are high on zadina not because of potential or skills but because he is a winger and a sniper

If montreal want Tkachuk and Ottawa zadina then something like this would be good.

3OVA, 4th round pick.

for 4OVA, 2nd round.

As a montreal fan that's what I would want but idk if ottawa would do this.

8.) 07 Jun 2018 01:14:24
Hoff68 just curious what you will change your name to if he is traded?

9.) 07 Jun 2018 03:40:16
Rambo are you saying that you're employed as an NHL analyst or that you think your opinion is as valuable but others arent? If you are so sure of your valuation and don't want criticism or debate why are you posting?

10.) 07 Jun 2018 06:47:52
Madeindade he can still have the same number.

11.) 07 Jun 2018 16:53:28
Im going to change it to Madeindade22. Hope that ones not taken.

12.) 07 Jun 2018 17:23:27
Jbs32 I'm not saying I'm an anylist at all. I'm saying that the rumors they talk about at least are realistic and believable and totally unbiased and usually the results are pretty close to what they predict. the posts on here are nowhere close to what they talk about especially when it comes to ottawa players and if anyone on here had projections close to the anylists projections, mine would be the closest by far followed by maybe 2 others I've seen but haven't posted in a while.

Example is Hoffman. they say he's 3rd most valuable asset on trade block right now and the big rumor is straight up for either the 7th overall from Vancouver or nuge from Edmonton and I sad he's worth top 5 to 10 pick y'all say bottom 15 which isn't even close for him.

13.) 07 Jun 2018 18:44:20
I want to see theses "rumors" Saying he is worth the 7th OVA. Also if you think nuge is worth equal to that pick you are extremely high on a good 2nd line center but in this day and age Hoffman is more likely to get you a late first with a good prospect and a body. He's a good player but 7th OVA gets you more then one good player.

14.) 08 Jun 2018 00:00:27
CTC55 again you're wrong. Hoffman is a perennial 20 goal scorer pushing 30 goals and 60 point better on what can be deemed a very low end offensive team. on top of that he just turned 28 putting him in the prime years of his career. put him with a superstar linemate like mcdavid or tavares and he's easily good for a point per game. you don't trade a player like that with a below 5 million contract for another year or 2 for a mid to late first or later as they only have a 50% chance or less of even making the nhl. a player like that guarentees you a top 5 to 10 pick if you're any kind've good gm. And opposing gsm with those picks that need goal scoring would be silly not to go for him. he's a sure bet. the pick might make the nhl, sure but not necessarily a shoe in for top 6 or top 4 like Hoffman is. some become major busts. just look at yakapov or pajarvi or even Kyle beach. it's common sense dude.

Oh and if you want to see these rumors go look at tsn. com.

15.) 08 Jun 2018 13:45:51
1) his contract has him at an AAV of 5.3 Million so its over 5
2)He is a good player but his PPG is an average of 0.72 (good but no superstar)
3)He's actually turning 29
He is a good player but with only 4 years of being in the NHL (played a total of 29 before 2014-2015), never braking 30 goals and this years draft being deemed deep I find it any team in the top 10 trading there first for him it's hard to see any scoring winger get a top 10 pick alone in this draft.

16.) 08 Jun 2018 13:51:52
Also just looked at TSN it says nothing about Hoffman and the 7th OVA. They do talk about Hanifin for the 7th OVA.

17.) 09 Jun 2018 03:01:54
I just looked at it again it is there ctc55

And just saw your post mtl4life that's fair I'd be ok with that if it happened.



06 Jun 2018 05:25:24
Now this is not me talking here this is the talk league wide. rumor has it Montreal is targeting tkechuck over zadina / svechnikov. meaning ottawa gets 1 of the two at pick 4. does that mean zadina value going to go down now 2 guys since he may be sens bound? Lol

If this does happen like they are predicting what happens to Hoffman? Any realistic ideas? Maybe nuge Hoffman deal finally happens?


1.) 06 Jun 2018 19:07:57
I'm pretty sure MTL drafts Zadina if they don't trade their pick.

2.) 08 Jun 2018 00:02:14
Mustafarr care to put money on that? Based on their needs i'd say there is a great chance they don't take zadina.

3.) 09 Jun 2018 15:24:19
Even Zadina said he was in Montreal but he thinks they want a center over him but he would be excited to play here. And Gaborik was his all time favorite player growing up.



02 Jun 2018 11:32:32
Ok guys let me try reach your insane standards.

Hypothetically say ottawa is in full rebuild mode this year.

Ott : Hoffman, Ceci, chlapic, and gaborik

Ari : 5th overall

Hoffman plus chlapic should be enough to get the 5th and adding Ceci should be enough to convince the yotes to take on gabby contract as well.


Ott : 5th overall, 22nd overall, and Ryan

Mon : 3rd overall, and pacioretty (don't resign)

Patches and Ryan have been linked to trades for each other all along, Montreal still gets a top 5 pick which they can use on tkachuck but adds a mid rounder as well with the 22nd.


Ott : karlsson, Smith, and Paul



1.) 02 Jun 2018 12:10:48
BRO. Please. Understand something.

Hoffman is worth a pick about 10-15. he's not anything that special. he's a goal scoring wingman, hardly any defensive prowess, and plays on the most easily replacable position in hockey.

Ceci is maybe worth a second. he hasn't shown anything and just came off a terrible capaign, and has been regressing over the past few years. If he gets traded, he gets slightly more than Nathan Beaulieu did when MTL traded him.

Chlapik is a decent prospect, but if anything, makes up for Gabroiks contract, if that. Probably not tbh.

And there's a big difference between 5&10. there's a select top5-6, and then the talent level drops, and its assumed Boqvist will be at 5, so he is certainly worth more than that package.

If a trade was to happen for the 5th, it would prolly be:

ARZ: 5th Overall, Jason Demers, 3rd ROund Pick
OTT: Mike Hoffman, Logan Brown, 25th Overall.

And that Montreal trade is awful, the difference between the 3rd overall and 5th overall is about a 2nd, so basicallu, a little less value than the 25th. however, with Ryan thrown in on top it kinda balances out. but with Patches in it too? HARd, hard pass from MTL.

2.) 02 Jun 2018 21:40:16
This is really bad hoffman abd some craps so like 15 milliom in salary.

3.) 02 Jun 2018 22:44:28
Chalk up another L for Rambone.

4.) 03 Jun 2018 04:31:47
First off I didn't think it was going to post this which is why I posted the other 1.

Secondly top shelf slapper get real bud Hoffman scores 60 points annually playing with top 6 guys sure but none of those guys he plays with outside karlsson are considered elite and can play both wings and center. that's hardly as easily replaceable as you think it is and is also why I keep saying you under value sens players. if he had a legit stat like Tavares on his line he's a point a game easy thus making him worth a top 5 to 10 pick at the very least whether you agree or not!

And Ceci is coming off a pretty good personal season when you look at all the variables like playing with five or 6 different partners in 2nd half and carrying a pilon named Phaneuf for last 3 years, he's actually gotten better and still only 23 to 24 years of age with time yet to improve more. if we could have gotten hall straight up for him 4 years ago then yeah maybe his value goes down just a little bit but as far as a 2nd rounder? Not a chance! Mid to late 1st tops!

No way on earth is the 5th worth Hoffman brown and a 22nd not 25th. Hoffman is a stud and brown will be a stud maybe even better than Hoffman. even Dorian goofball trades so far look good in comparison to that and some of those were atrocious at best.

Patches contract and Ida status next year and Ryan's contract cancel each other out as Montreal needs scoring Ryan provides that. Montreal also has cap space to add him for the 3 to 4 years he's got left. on top of that patches and Ryan rumors on real sites in straight up deals have been circulating so it's not far from reason. and for the last time what 25th are you talking about? The trade in question is not with Toronto involving the 25th it's with ottawa and involves the 22nd.

5.) 03 Jun 2018 11:37:14
Hurr Durr you guys undervalue muh senators Bobby Ryan so valuable derp.

6.) 03 Jun 2018 12:37:31
I'll be the first to tell you I overrate my players but boy this is bad. Let's start with the Montreal trade because I believe that's the worst one because it's so simple yet you don't see it. let's break it up. I'll give you Pacioretty for the 22nd pick. Montreal would probably want more but let's pretend it's even at the deadline so he doesn't even have a year left. You're left with the 5th overall pick and Ryan for the 3rs overall pick. Ryan has negative value dude. He's a cap dump. He's one of the most overpaid players in the NHL.

You have to give up assets just to get rid of him. He doesn't close the gap between the 5th and 3rd pick, he widens it. Ottawa adds big time. As for the Arizona trade. Gaborik is another player who is severely overpaid. But let's live in some fantasy world for 2 seconds where Ceci actually cancels out Gaborik (he doesn't) . You actually think Hoffman is worth anything close to the 5th overall pick? Do you not realize how much that pick is worth? Hoffman is a 60 point scorer. As a Flyers fan the first comparable that comes to mind is Brayden Schenn.

You know what he got? A late first round pick and another first round pick (which was projected to be in the mid 20s) to take on Lehtera's contract. Due to age and contrast status, Schenn was probably worth more than Hoffman. Hoffman isn't worth a top 10 pick. Out of all the players you mentioned his biggest comparable is Pacioretty. Do you think Pacioretty is worth a top 10 pick? I don't. You bash Pacioretty for having one year left, Hoffman has 2.

That isn't much more. The fact that you compared Pacioretty to Ryan is laughable. Pacioretty is a 30-40 goal scorer making 4.5 (? ) million. Ryan is a 3rd/ 4th liner making 7.5 (? ) million. Pacioretty has positive value, Ryan has negative value. And Ceci? Worth a mid to late first? Hahahaha. Most Ottawa fans want to get rid of this guy for peanuts. Only time he was worth a first was back in 2012 lmao.

7.) 04 Jun 2018 21:48:08
You're ignorance on trade values is unbelievable Flyers. I'll say it again, you're unfailing sens players emensly.

Ill explain ok. the Taylor hall trade happened in 2015 for adam larsen. before that trade became officiall a trade was worked out hall for ceci straight up that edmonton went to new jersey instead so they wouldn't have to wait for eugenes approval. that approval wait had no effect on cecis value. in the 3 years since Ceci has become a better player than he was that years thus his trade value doesn't drop anywhere near a 2nd rounder or later.

And schenn when he was in Philly was nowhere near Hoffman's value. Hoffman puts up 60 points a year playing with guys like turris sometimes stone who's usually on the other line and Ryan and he can play center too. scheme put up 50 point a year up to that point playing with the likes of voracek Simmonds couturier Giroux and Hartwell in his prime 3 of which are usually in the top 50 in the league points wise and 2 who are or were as good as stone and turris. so yeah Hoffman is definately worth top 5 to 10 on his own no doubt about it.

As for patches value vs Ryan's value you're crazy if you actually believe there is a difference there. patches is coming of his worst season yet and is in his contract year where he will certainly expect a raise. on top of that his numbers this year are identical to Ryan's, difference being that Ryan played with over 10 different liberated while patches played with the group of 2 or 3 guys he used to playing with. on top of all that locker room history affects trade value too and while Ryan is a great guy behind the scenes, patches has history in locker room that's not that great. just ask subban.

I'm still not seeing the negative value in Ryan as the guy does put up top 6 point totals and is NOT a 3rd liner. he's over party by 2 million tops but he's far from the only one. if he has negative value because of an extra 2 million dollars then that means guys like Jonathan toews, anze kopitar, and Ryan johansen etc are all negative value as well seeing as how their point totals don't match their contracts and I think we all know that's not the case at all so why single out Ryan for that kind of garbage and not mention them?

Ryan and patches value are not only equal but they also have been rumored to be traded straight up for each other on much more credible sites than this one.




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15 Jun 2018 21:11:03
Straight from Bruce garrioch hockey anylist

Teams interested in Hoffman include


Current asking price for him that talks have started with are a 2019 1st round pick and a top 6 forward, expected to get a minimum of the 2019 1st and a high end prospect. like I said my value rating are much closer than majority of yours.

That being said the best case scenario for ottawa would be to make either of those deals with Vancouver as they are in the worst shape of those teams after sedins retiring and unless they get Tavares too I don't see them doing that well and could get sens a top pick again.


1.) 15 Jun 2018 21:48:52
That's the ask not what they got/ will get. And is that before or after the allegations.

2.) 16 Jun 2018 00:20:48
Once the value falls down to a 2019 2nd and a decent prospect I’ll be the 1st to post on here.

3.) 16 Jun 2018 02:08:36
Bro Hoffman is a top 6 winger. Your not getting a first to swap top six wingers. Lmao.

4.) 17 Jun 2018 02:37:14
Topshelfslappers tell that to new York and Chicago statsny not the player he once was and Hartman is barely a top 6 player but both fetched 1st rounders. hoffman is better than both of those guys. you can convince everyone else that he ain't worth much but I actually follow the sport.

Blackalpacka as of June 16th on tsn. Hoffman's girls actions don't affect his workplace value.

And vbbvbb when he fetches a 1st rounder plus something I'll be the one on here saying I told you so and down with the trolls.

Asking price = 1st in 19 and top 6 forward

Expected return = 1st in 19 and a high end prospect

Watch as it happens!

5.) 17 Jun 2018 18:04:50
Good thing Rambo follows the sport. I thought we were talking about golf all these years. Every time a know it all disappears from this site, a new one takes the place.



07 Jun 2018 05:23:23
Here is TSN Hockey’s first Trade Bait list of the summer, which seeks to blend prominence of player with likelihood of a trade:

1., OTT Erik Karlsson
2., BUF Ryan O'Reilly
3., OTT Mike Hoffman
4., CAR Jeff Skinner
5., MTL Max Pacioretty
6., WSH Phillip Grubauer
7. Canucks' No. 7 overall pick
8., ARI Oliver Ekman-Larsen
9., PIT Phill Kessel
10., NSH P. K. Subban
11., CAR Justin Faulk
12., CAR Noah Hanifin
13., FLA Alex Petrovick
14., CGY Dougie Hamilton
15., WPG Jacob Trouba
16., BUF Erasmus Ristolainen
17., PIT Connor Sheary
18., EDM Milan Lucic
19., ARI Max Domi
20., MTL Alex Galchenyuk
21., WSH Alex Burakovsky
22. VAN Chris Tanev
23., NYR Vladislav Namestnikov
24., BUF Sam Rienhart
25., ANA Corey Perry.


1.) 07 Jun 2018 07:10:19
Could see BUF trading for Grubauer.
The Lehner experiment hasn’t gone so well.

Subban being on this list surprises me. For what reason would they move him? He’s been great in NAS.

2.) 07 Jun 2018 13:25:00
The fact that Jacob Trouba, Dougie Hamilton and especially Rasmus Ristolainen are on the list shows it has zero credibility.

3.) 07 Jun 2018 14:37:13
I don’t know if the subban on the move rumours are related to just purely money (Ellis gets paid next year and Josi after that and Johannson and turris have $14 in fresh deals also), or the fact they think fabbro is ready for a lot bigger role (clearly not going to replace subban, but could bring a good portion of what subban brings for exactly 10% of the wage) or if he has worn out his welcome around the team already which tends to happen with big personalities.

4.) 08 Jun 2018 01:38:24
Seen a few things about Lucic being shopped so he probably sky rocketed up the list.
And yeah Hanifin, Reinhart, Burakovsky, the young guys kinda surprise me. Lol weird how you can be one game away from winning the cup and be in the trade rumours.

5.) 08 Jun 2018 22:51:29
Happens every year tho. When you win the cup, a handful of guys that are usually small pieces of that team get the spotlight and perform well. Then you’re forced a little to over pay to keep some and therefore guys have to be traded or let go to make room. Stanley cup rings get 3rd and 4th line players 2nd line money all the time. Usually the team regrets it, but it happens.

6.) 08 Jun 2018 22:55:48
Hawks loved Andrew shaw and what he brought to the team, but they loved him at 2-2.5mill for 3-4 more years. Not 4 mill for 6 years lol.

7.) 09 Jun 2018 01:31:14
Burakovsky has one more year on his contract but yeah you make a good point.

8.) 09 Jun 2018 11:45:31
-Ducks asked Perry for his 8 team no trade list.
-Jason Gergor has said on Edm radio that Lucic said he would welcome a trade. I still don't think he will be traded.
-Namestnikov fits NYR plans of a rebuild on the fly, no?
-Hamilton should be an u touchable on Calgary in my opinion. They should try and trade Brodie or Gio way before Hamilton
Just a few thoughts.



18 May 2018 14:26:33
Explain to me how Ceci not worth a 1st but krug for 10th overall rumors are surfacing on more reliable sites than this?

Truth is krug is not much better than Ceci just had better defence partner for a number of years that made him look good. krug played with chara as opposed to Ceci playing with either Phaneuf or Cowan the entire time.

If that deal happens then no doubt Ceci value goes way up.


1.) 18 May 2018 16:28:30
Krugs main defence partner that apparently "made him look good" was adam Mcquaid. Krugs just an offensive dynamo.

2.) 18 May 2018 17:41:34
Yeah. Krug has not been sheltered or made look good by his partner lol I haven’t really noticed ceci being bad like some people have said, but in all the years of watxhinhim face the leafs, he’s never overly impressed me either. Krug was a game changer in the series this year against the leafs.

3.) 18 May 2018 17:52:08
What? Krug is better than Cici tho. Like, it's not even questionable. Unless your a complete homer.
Ohhhhh, you are a complete homer so I understand why you would post this now.

Also, It's a rumor out of a Boston meadow guy saying he thinks Boston should try and trade Krug + for Klefbom, 10th overall.
Depending on that plus, I say F no. I was a better D than Krug (and I like Krug) for Klefbom and 10th (like adding a smaller piece for OEL, Risto type, someone slightly better than Krug anyways) . That plus better be pretty good to get Klefbom and 10th. IMO.

4.) 18 May 2018 18:24:07
Maybe cause Krug is much, much, much better than Ceci. Krug is a top line d man bordering on (If not already) elite and Ceci is at best a #4 d man.

5.) 18 May 2018 20:21:05
You’ve lost it Rambo.

6.) 19 May 2018 00:00:42
In what universe is krug an elite top 2 defenceman? Lmao.

Yes he's good and yes he's a bit better than Ceci but not by so much that he warrent a top 10 return and Ceci can't crack a 1st rounder return. sorry but you are incorrect xcing and it's painfully obvious.

AND numbnutz what games were you watching? Every Boston game I've seen the top 2 dpairs were

Chara krug
Mcquade seidenburg

At least since boychuck was snapped away from them. and before that krug was nothing special but sure he looked promising at the same time Ceci coming off a great personal year and starting to look promising again in his own right's.

7.) 19 May 2018 02:46:28
Krug become an elite d man when he got 50+ points last year then finished 15th in Norris voting and then proceeded to top that the next year with 59 points in less than 80 games (9th in D man scoring) . All while putting up fantastic advanced stats. Krug is most definately a top pair d man on almost every team.

Cody Ceci on the other hand had an astounding 19 points. But wait I hear you screaming that’s not what he’s good for. so what is he good for? His defence? All of his advance stats show that he is terrible defensively (not just this year) . But wait look at all that potential. oh wait he’s 25, not much of that left. He’s at best a #4 d man like I said before.

Ceci shouldn’t be considered close to as good as Krug and I truly hope you’re trolling.

8.) 19 May 2018 04:06:07
Hahahahahahaha. You're a clueless homer and its painfully obvious. It's hilarious really. Too good.

9.) 19 May 2018 05:48:11
I don't know if anyone else here looks at HERO charts but it puts grades players out on their advanced stats and rates to compare them to other players and archetypes. Uses 3 years of data. doesn't have last years yet but from 14-15 to 16-17 Krug and Ceci aren't even close. In fact Krug compares to a bonafide #1 dman by their comparison and Ceci is below 3rd pair in shot generation and suppression (although goals/ 60 were high due to his low ice time and first assits/ 60 were just above average 3rd pair)

10.) 19 May 2018 13:31:06
NoBias, you know that Seidenberg is an Islander right? And you know that Bostons dcore is

Chara - McAvoy
Krug - Miller
Carlo - Grzelcyk


11.) 19 May 2018 17:25:24
Hahahahahahahaha. Krug playing with Seidenberg. Man that's awesome. Clueless, Like I said.

12.) 19 May 2018 21:47:15
Yup, you should have read that I say char was krug partner not seidenburg. and mccavoy only burst on to the scene really part way through this year.

Also kind've tough for Ceci to stand out any more that he did when he traded a lamp post for a pilon over the last few years in Cowan for Phaneuf both of which he had to carry and did a great job of by the way. give him a real partner and see what happens.

Not saying hell be better that krug but definately better than you guys give him credit for.

13.) 20 May 2018 00:35:07
Seidenberg is an Islander, has been for the past two years. that's the second time I've said it. And what quantum realm do you live in, McAvoy has been a Bruin this entire year.

14.) 21 May 2018 20:36:50
That seids comment really made me chuckle. Also as TopShelf said McAvoy has been playing for Boston since last years playoffs. At this point i can't tell if the guys joking or not but i found some good entertainment in it.



16 May 2018 19:57:07
Ok people these Erik karlsson rumors are getting old, tiresome and really annoying real fast. I've litterally seen 1 maybe 2 options that make any sense in a karlsson trade and y'all seem to think they are somehow over payments when they're NOT!

So let me put this into perspective for you all to see.

Turris went to Nashville, then everything the sens got for turris was packaged with a 1st next season, Hammond, and Shane bowers for Duchene who is not much better than turris to begin with. turris like Duchene is a former 3rd overall pick who's 1 year older than Duchene, bowers also a former 1st round pick.

So basically Duchene got them a 3rd overall, a mid 1st rounder, and an unknown 1st that could be better than 3rd overall plus a backup goalie who's shown flashes of brilliance between the pipes.

Given the fact that EK is twice the player that Duchene is and is roughly the same age plus is a more coveted position as defensemen of that caliber are much tougher to find than forwards that means that EK would demand a minimum of a return worth double the return that Colorado got for Duchene.

AND that's NOT being biased towards ottawa like I know a few of you will moan about, that's just stating facts. While Duchene might be a top 50 or 100 player in the league today he still falls quite a bit short of EK who is easily top 3 in the world along side the likes of mcdavid and dare I say cry baby Crosby and there for would warrentvone of the biggest return packages you'll ever see.


1.) 16 May 2018 20:29:08
Dont know what triggered Rambo. but i haven't seen an EK post on this site in a long time.

2.) 16 May 2018 21:06:59
Lmao. Haven't seen an EK post for a while now. Wtf.
I'm not even reading your whole post, got through the first line.

3.) 16 May 2018 20:59:15
Turris was traded separately for a 2nd round pick.

4.) 17 May 2018 01:37:42
Nah, lmao. Duchene was never worth that, the entire hockey world knew that. Ottawa paid a heft sum to barely upgrade from Turris.

Duchenes value had plummeted. Everyone was surprised that Sakic actually got what he desired. Ottawa GM simply overpaid. EK, if traded will get a lot, but won't get like all of an elite young player, a first, an A+ prospect plus.

5.) 17 May 2018 02:09:13
Turris is equal to third overall than I guess Yakupov is worth first overall. You act like the nonsense you say is scientific. Lol EK’s value is exactly twice as much as Duchene’s?

6.) 17 May 2018 12:57:37
Ya Duchene was an overpayment from day one the hockey world was shocked OTT gave up that much. And he has term that Karlsson doesn't EK has 1 year left. If he's traded hell get a ton, more than most would probably be happy about giving but he's not getting what you think.

7.) 17 May 2018 21:30:34
Just because Ottawa paid that for Duchene and Karlsson is twice the player that Duchene is doesn’t mean squat lol oilers traded 2 picks to the islanders for griffin Reinhart. One became Barzal and I believe the other was beavillier. And darnel nurse is twice good as Reinhart, so nurse is worth 2 Barzals and 2 beauvilliers?! Hahaha no!

Oilers made a terrible trade for Reinhart and the world knows it. That doesn’t affect value beyond that trade. Sens over paid for Duchene, people can clearly see that and it’s in the past.

8.) 18 May 2018 03:51:23
Turris was drafted 3rd overall in his draft year oh brilliant one do the research if you don't agree.

and vbbvbb turris was traded to Nashville for prospects Samuel Girard, Vladislav Kamenev and a 2018 second-round draft pick which were all flipped to Colorado along with bowers Hammond a 1st and a 3rd for Duchene making Duchene value in that trade equal to the full value of turris plus a 1st 3rd Hammond and bowers. do your research.

AND EK will demand at least twice that despite what other fools might argue based on the bias against the sens!

EK either stays or he doubles that return or sens get gipped again which will not happen because Dorian knows if it does espessially with EK stone Duchene or Hoffman then the fans will be calling for his head guarenteed.

9.) 18 May 2018 11:22:25
EK to San Jose for Dillon, Boedker, Dell, 2nd confirmed.

10.) 18 May 2018 14:20:05
Lmfao ummm no!



27 Apr 2018 02:17:12
Ok let's step away from ottawa for a second. say Pittsburgh fails to reach the 3peat. they are known for making crazy deals like this anyway.

Pit : hagelin, sheary (if kovachuck resigns with them), a 2nd

Njd : 3rd, the rights to kovalchuck

With fluery contract off the books moving sheath and hagelin should give them more than enough space to sign kovalchuk as much as I hate them this does make sence for them.

Kovalchuk Crosby guentzel
Hornqvist Malkin kessel

1 2 punch of deadly proportions and still have a cheap brassard for 3rd line crazy to think.

Maybe turn letang into a couple depth guys as he's injury prone anyway and Shultz and Mata are Ready to carry the load on back end anyway.



1.) 27 Apr 2018 08:04:00
Well Rambo, Kovalchuck will be a UFA and free to sign with anyone he wants. No one is going to trade for his rights right now. Come on man.

2.) 27 Apr 2018 18:01:09
Kovalchuck is 35 year old. Pitts shouldn't even try to get him. i'm not saying he isn't useful anymore but not as first line minutes.




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21 Jun 2018 19:21:13
Agreed hawks this Dorian garbage needs to stop. pits trade was the only one he got right.

Unbiasedjim I'd call you a fool but a fool is actually useful you're more like a mob with no door. if it was Dorian making the Hoffman trade we definately could have gotten at least a top 10 pick we just have a dumbass running our team right now. its trades like that which make us miss Bryan Murray even more. he would have gotten a top 10 pick and then some for hoff.




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21 Jun 2018 16:17:45
Leafs17 name 1 trade other than the 2nd brassard deal that Ottawa even got close to equal value in return since Dorian took over. the man is a cancer to the organization that needs desperately to be cut out.




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21 Jun 2018 15:59:35
Ryan is going where ever Karlsson goes that much was already stated.
So Carolina can keep skinner and add a b+/ a- prospect instead and take back Ryan as well the rest of the deal can remain the same.




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20 Jun 2018 06:25:05
Nice joke lol karlsson at 2nd pair defence is hilarious seeing as how he's 3rd best player in the world an neither Jones nor werenski are number 1 or 2 lol.




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19 Jun 2018 21:16:10
Because other teams don't want same player who will be available later anyway so why not move down a bit to aquire more picks? Is that really hard for you to understand?





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