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31 Mar 2018 23:52:49
Ok so giving the change in the nhl leaderboards recently with buffalo being bottom team and ottawa and Arizona being tied, and the fact arizona has a much easier final 4 to 5 games than ottawa does here's something to ponder.

Arizona : Arizona 2018 1st

Ottawa : Pittsburgh 2018 1st, Ceci, Ryan, and batherson

Then.

Ottawa : gaborik

Vegas : Vegas 2018 6th

Ottawa ups their chances in lottery significantly to land dahlin or at least a couple guys who can help now.

Arizona plays it safe as if they get the 3rd best odds they are more likely to draft 5th than anything else. So the trade it for a top 6 (50 to 60 point getter) in Ryan, a solid young top 4 defenceman in Ceci, a proven splint prospect in batherson who broke out big in world juniors and junior league, plus they still get a 1st I'll be it later with pens pick.

Then. ottawa uses all the cap they saved not only to resign stone and karlsson but also bring in Tavares as well.

Current available cap space in ottawa is roughly 11 million and these moves would free up 14 million more or 19 million if MacArthur retires. That's roughly 25 to 30 million to work with which is more than enough and will leave them with roughly 5 to 7 million to spare after all 3 have been signed making melnic happy too.

NoBiasRambo

1.) 01 Apr 2018 00:54:15
Omg when will you learn?
You don’t give a damn rubbish about what other teams needs
I’ll make it simple
Wanna trade your 1st for Juulsen Lehkonen Poehling plus a 2d

You need to put your self in the other teams shoes
If you post nonsense like this again then you will nevertheless learn.


2.) 01 Apr 2018 01:26:02
Wow. Dream on. These are some of the worst Ottawa biased you've posted. And that's a crazy statement.


3.) 01 Apr 2018 03:01:31
Trash.

That pick is going to be top 5, 150%. that's one of Rasmus Dahlin, Andrei Svechnikov, FIlip Zadina, Adam Boqvist and Brady Tkachuk.

Whats going to Arizona in your deal? let's see:

Pittsburghs First-
Considering Pittsburghs playoff history, that pick is more than likely going to be low twenties. If I was to make a guess, I don't think they threepeat, but I think that pick is like 28th or something. Whos there at that pick? K'Andre Miller? Akil Thomas? that's a way step down from 3rd Overall.

Bobby Ryan-
A cap dump. Get it through your head. he's not a 50-60 point guy. If he was, and wasn't a cap dump, then why would Ottawa be desperately trying to package off his salary with Karlsson in order for suitors to be able to afford Karlsson in terms of a trade package, as adding Ryan to a Karlsson only lowers Karlsson's value. Ryan is a cap dump. Please understand that and stop being biased.

Cody Ceci -
A mediocre at best dman, probably a #4 at best. Kinda similar to Nathan Beaulieu, and I've seen lots of Sens fans want his head. So I don't think he'd bring much more to the table than a 2nd, and even that would be neglected by Ryans negative value.

Drake Batherson -
A good prospect, who probably projects as a 3rd liner with upside, but is also very unknown and unproven. Certainly not enough to move up from the late rounds of the 1st to the top 5.

Basically, if Arizona proposed:
Alex Goligoski (Bobby Ryan: but a bit less bloated of a contract) + Richard Panik (Cody Ceci, except as a forward) + Ryan MacInnis (scorer at the junior level, similar to Batherson) + ARZ 2nd Round Pick (high second) for Ottawas 1st Round Pick in 2017.

Does this make any sense for Ottawa? Of course not. Similarly, the original trade is terrible for Arizona.


4.) 01 Apr 2018 12:17:01
Ok you seriously don't follow the sport do you TopShelfSlappers? If you did you'd realise the statements you made on the players involved in this proposal are completely absurd and absolutely ridiculous.

1st - yes that will be a late pick but it's still a 1st

Bobby Ryan - outside of last season dude to health issues and somewhat this season though not as bad because he's been shifted from line to line more times than we can count, he has been and will continue to be a 50 to 60 point guy, anyone with half a brain and has 2 eyes that aren't blind can go themselves to check his career stats and will see that I am right and you are wrong, take those negative value comment and put em where the sun don't shine.

Cody Ceci - is a top 3 young defenceman who still has time to improve and is valued by other teams whether you like it or not he's worth at least a mid to late 1st himself just ask Edmonton who was ready to give hall for him if not for the need of MELNICK approval.

Drake batherson - NOT PROVEN? You can't be serious? One of world junior team Canada's leading scorers and a leading scorer in his current league. How is that not proven?

Goligoski has been a failure everywhere he's been and in no way is comparable to Ryan outside of a bad contract.

Of course this makes sence for both teams ottawa dumps in needed cap to sign players they want to keep and make an attempt on a major free agent signing in Tavares while gaining more odds to land dahlin and another major draftees who can help now at a faction of the cost sent away.

Arizona adds scoring in ryan, youth and potential in batherson and the pits 1st, and a guy who can finally play number 2 on that team to oel.
Gives up the 3rd which is the most likely to get bumped to 5th or 6th as 5th is best odds due to how lottery is run.

Arizona and Vegas have the cap for these kind've contracts as well making it mot out of the realm of possibility.

Just because you or a lot of other "fans" don't like Ryan or other sens players for whatever reason don't mean you're right about them or their value!


5.) 01 Apr 2018 14:26:35
Bobby Ryan point total:
25 last season in 62 games.
33 this season in, I believe, 58 games.

Neither of those are at all close to a 50 point pace buddy. And yes he has gotten 50 points before in his career, well, Daniel and Henrik Sedin have gotten 100 before, Lupuls been PPG, Milan Michalek was solid, Dion Phaneuf was thought of for a Norris, Milan Lucic was a 60 point guy and Brandon Dubinsky was a solid shutdown 50 point centre. Everyone falls off buddy. Ryan has too. Get it through your head. He has negative value. he's never going to be a 50 point guy again, and never going to be a solid player again. And he is injury prone as well, which is another huge downside tp trading for him. And he has a 7.25 cap for what, the next, I think 4 seasons? Its ridiculous you think he has value, and then to call me out on not watching hockey because apperantky you know all.

Ceci - he may have been worth a 1st at so, e time but remember, that is the GM that traded Seguin, Hall, Boychuk and Eberle for pennys on the dollar. Even if he was worth a 1st before, he isn't worth it anymore. Its been two years and he's stagnated in growth. Certainly not worth a 1st. Maybe a mid second as i said, but that therefore counteracts bobby ryans cap dump.

Bathersom - yes. He is unproven, the WJC's don't mean s*** unless the playee actually turns into something. Look at Nic Petan and Curtis Lazar, they were WJC heros, now they're fighting for their lives as bottom 6 players. Also, he's nowhere near the top of his league in points, he's over PPG, but he's barely played 30 games this year. Get your facts straight.

And tbh, considering contract, i'd rather Goligoski than Ryan. lol.


6.) 01 Apr 2018 14:28:27
And buddy, Cody Ceci wouldn't even by number 2 on Zona, lol. OEL, Hjalmarsson, Jacob Chychurn and i'd argue Goligoski are better than Ceci. Lol.


7.) 01 Apr 2018 16:02:02
Biased Ramblo back with another window licking lopsided trade proposal.

Arizona laughs and then hangs up.

Bobby Ryan has negative value. You're wrong. Get over it.

Look at the comments under your proposal. Fans of all different teams calling it out for what it is -- a garbage, biased proposal. This is not some conspiracy against Ottawa or its players. Take off your homer glasses and come back to reality.


8.) 01 Apr 2018 17:36:51
None of those guys you mentioned are anywhere close to being better than ceci. closest one was hjalmerson when he was in Chicago penny picking off the success of guys like Keith Seabrook Campbell hossa Kane panarin byfuglien and toews, now he's a fraction of that player not worth a dime.

As for Ryan let me say it again so maybe it can get through your thick skull.

This season he's been shifted from line to line like crazy some that have chemistry some that don't how does anyone expect him to put up his regular numbers if he doesn't have a steady line combo to work with?

Last season the guy was plagued with health issues that got in the way yet with both of those season he still managed 0.6 points per game which is actually decent and still far away from negative value or goligoski value.

Now that both those seasons are out of the way look at the rest of his career, every other year his point totals were above 50 per year, stats don't lie!

As for batherson comment world juniors definitely affect value of prospect and have for years, what rock have you been living under exactly? So does their junior league performances. How do you think draft priority is determined. same thing for trade value of already drafted prospects.


9.) 01 Apr 2018 17:39:38
I’m really starting to get sick of your rubbish No bias.


10.) 01 Apr 2018 18:25:09
Dahlin> Karlsson, Stone, Batherson And Pits 1st.


11.) 01 Apr 2018 20:49:14
Okay Rambo, whatever man, the agree/ disagree ratio probably doesn't mean s*** to you, but sure.

Ryan has the value of JVR easily, and deserves a 1st Round Pick and a decent prospect.

Ceci is a top 2 dman, and has compltly found that potential. He is capable of keeping up with OEL and Josi. He certainly is comparable to a guy like Ryan Ellis.

And Drake Batherson is a top proapect who is totally guarranteed to be a top 6 forward, with the upside of Matt Barzal cause of course the WJC show everything about a player.

Yup. You're righr about everything Ramo. You truly are so qualified, and are as smart as Steve Yzerman. You deserve 0 criticsm, because you are so smart. Why don't the Senators just hire you? You'd save the franchise!


12.) 01 Apr 2018 22:50:40
The worst part is that he's serious. Posts are terrible but the explanations are even worse. Delusional a f.


13.) 02 Apr 2018 03:58:41
Rambo the next destruction artist
Ironic.


14.) 03 Apr 2018 15:29:47
Do you not know how to read or were you just born with a rock in your head?

I never claimed Ceci was a top 2 guy or was comparable to guys like josi or oel, just that he was a top 3 to 4 dman on most, if not all teams, who is still young and could still reach potential to 2 status.

And yes, Ryan's value is at least the same as jvr, as one/ two bad seasons do not define a players career. Especially a player like Ryan who has put up 50 plus points every other year has played and proved he still has it in last year's playoff run. Saying Ryan has negative value right now is the same thing as saying max domi has negative value right now but I don't see anyone jumping on that band wagon to bash domi? Why not? Domi had an outstanding rookie season but ever since he's been same point totals as Ryan's last 2 years. I'm not saying the guy is worth 7 million but any and every team in the league would be happy to give him 5 million a season for what he contributes to their team if he played for them and that does not mean he is negative value in fact quite the opposite.

No prospect is guarrenteed anything, that is why they are called prospects just like no pick is guarenteed to be number 1 overall in the new lottery format with the 3rd last in the rankings having the worst odds of all top 3 PICKS to even get a top 3 selection. That's the risk teams take on any prospect or draft pick and whether or not they will pan out.

I don't overvalued sens players but unlike you lot I don't undervalued them either. I value them for what they are worth.


 

 

12 Mar 2018 16:31:37
Ok revamp version see what kind of responses.
Hypothetically if Arizona wins lottery and EK really does intend on leaving ottawa and seeing as how Dorian loves 3 way trades how bout this for a block buster.

Arizona : Ottawa's 1st, Montreal's 1st, and Ryan

Ottawa : Arizona's 1st, Drouin, domi, and Montreal's 1st next year and the year after

Montreal : EK, smith, arizona's 3rd, and pitsburghs 3rd next year

Arizona gets a guy who's capable of 50 to 60 points a year plus 2 top 5 picks

Ottawa gets dahlin and 2 possible top 6 guys 1 with attitude and is injury prone and one who needs a change of scenery to pick up his game again plus a couple 1sts in up coming years

Montreal gets the best defenceman in the world to this point, as well as a couple 3rds, and a great depth player who can play anywhere in their lineup and is valued by other teams

Thoughts?

NoBiasRambo

1.) 12 Mar 2018 16:47:38
Wow. just no. MTL gets destroyed with this.


2.) 12 Mar 2018 16:58:33
Lol ok ottawa fan here wtf u won't get rid of ryan contract that easily hell no from montreal.


3.) 12 Mar 2018 17:02:18
Okay. this is extremely hard to understand, first off cause its way too many pieces moving and its way too disorganized. Lemme organize it:

**also, since NBR based this off of his last postm i'd assume he means that Arizonas 1st is 1st overall, which is Rasmus Dahlin.

Montreal Trades: 2018 1st, 2019 1st, 2020 1st, Jonathan Drouin.
Montreal Recieves: Erik Karlsson, Zack Smith (I presume its him), 2018 3rd, 2019 3rd.

Ottawa Trades: Erik Karlsson, 2018 1st, Bobby Ryan, Zack Smith.
Ottawa Recieves: Rasmus Dahlin, Jonathan Drouin, Max Domi, MTL's 2019 1st and MTL's 2020 1st.

Arizona Trades: Rasmus Dahlin, Max Domi.
Arizona Recieves: OTT's 2018 1st, MTL's 2018 1st and Bobby Ryan.

See how bad this is when you lay everything out in an organzied manner. Dahlin is percieved as the next EK. Sure, he could bust and only be a 40 point NHL dman, but the ceiling is high and he looks to be in the same boat as an Auston Matthews when it comes to '1st overall eliteness'. So, from Ottawa, they trade Karlsson for the younger, cost effective, possibly better version of him, and then a 1st (probably someone like Brady Tkachuk) for Jonathan Drouin, Max Domi and two firsts that are more than likely going to be top ten, since they're coming from Montreal? that's absolute highway robbery from Ottawa. And EK doesn't even come guaranteed with a contract extension.

Montreal gets absolutely fleeced, basically giving up Sergachev and 3 1st Round Picks for Erik Karlsson. If Steve Yzerman didn't want to give up Sergachev ALONE for Karlsson, what makes you think the return for Sergahev (which is Drouin) and 3! THREE! more than likely top ten picks will go for Karlsson? Are you off your rocker? AND EK isn't EVEN EXTENDED WITH THIS. And don't give me nonsense about this 'Zack Smith is worth a 1st and that's why the return is so high! ' NO. ZACK SMITH IS WORTH A 4TH!

And as for Arizona, i don't understand why they would try to move down in the draft in order to gain an atrocious contract in Bobby Ryan, and give up someone with potential in Max Domi. They need Rasmus Dahlin and wouldn't trade him to simply move down in the draft. There would have to be an exceptional offer for them to move the pick for Dahlin, and that simply is not close.


4.) 12 Mar 2018 17:04:39
And, lol. You refer to Drouin and Domi as 'attitude and injury prone players', but call Zack Smith a 'great depth player who is valued by other teams'. Man oh man. How biased is that? 😂😂😂.


5.) 12 Mar 2018 17:35:00
Yeah this post is all over the place jeez.


6.) 12 Mar 2018 20:37:43
The fact that you say : and mtl gets a couple of 3rd is so cliche and looks pretty much like on the troll post I made with the point I was trying to make: 2nd and 3rd are not going to be taken by team as compensation.


7.) 12 Mar 2018 20:41:41
Also you absolutely seem not to care about Mtl's needs
Wich are getting faster and younger
Not Older
Also how Mtl will resign Karlson with Ryan's contract.


8.) 12 Mar 2018 21:26:06
So habs trade drouin ans next 3 years of first rounders for a year of karlsson, when they don’t have to talent right now to surround him with? especially if they’re trading drouin away in it. Then they lose him or pay him 12 mill for 8 years and have 2 RHD making 20 mill till they’re 36 and 41 lol good call Rambo.


9.) 12 Mar 2018 21:28:36
Oh man what a dumpster fire of a post. Biased Ramblow strikes again.

Bobby Ryan is a cap dump. He has negative value at his current cap hit. End of story. He's been playing at a 40 point/ 82 game pace the past two seasons. He makes 7.25 mill for another four seasons. That. Is. Horrendous.


10.) 13 Mar 2018 02:47:02
Meant smith not Ryan.


11.) 25 Mar 2018 23:46:42
Ok 1st off you need to p**s off with Ryan being negative value (1 bad season and an overpaid I'll be it by 2 mil) contract doesn't make him negative value. He's a 50 to 60 point guy minimum when healthy and even this year has a 0.54 point per game average with 29 points in only 54 games and playing with 3 different line combos or more till he found chemistry. in what world is that a player with negative value?


And yes EK is a generational talent already deemed THE BEST DEFENCEMAN IN THE WORLD TODAY! So naturally it'll take at least a solid prospect and 3 1sts to acquire him. compensation for an RFA of his talent level is usually 4 years worth of 1st round picks, and Drouin has proven to be a bad apple at time in locker room and hasn't lived up to his full potential yet and domi had 1 great year but what has he done since?

Arizona 1st off is no longer the best odds at landing dahlin as that goes in buffalos favour now but even if they were that's all it is is odds as it is a LOTTERY NOT A GUARENTEE!

So why would Arizona do this you ask? Simple they get 2 lotto picks instead of 1 plus they add offence in Bobby Ryan to play with stepan. .

Why would ottawa do this? To replenish the pick they will lose to Colorado and gain 2 big prospects and 2 other picks one that gives them a better shot at landing dahlin in the LOTTERY!

Why would Montreal do this? To add a big body depth guy who can do anything ask of him in Smith and finally get a legit number 1 defenceman in EK who would compliment a Weber pairing perfectly and triple the offence Drouin provides now at same time.

EK is in the prime of his career and is not defined by this season. he just had surgery on a fee bad injury, had no training camp, and was forced back earlier than expected. it's call dejavu Matt Cooke fans. same thing happened back then and he rebounded the following seasons to become the best defenceman in the world.

So again talk all the c**p you want, but this is a fair deal 3 ways around.

Montreal solidifies defence upgrades offence and gains leadership

Ottawa ups their shot at landing dahlin and gives themselves a future with all the picks and kids

Arizona gets 2 shots at dahlin or any other lotto picks plus adds scoring that they can afford to over pay a little as their cap total isn't as big as most other teams currently.


 

 

09 Mar 2018 20:36:27
Hypothetically. if Arizona wins lottery and ottawa gets 2nd or 3rd pick.

Arizona : 1st overall pick

Ottawa : 2nd or 3rd overall pick, pittsburgs 1st rounder (from brassard deal), Bobby Ryan

Reasoning is ottawa don't need much to turn things around and dahlin would do it.
Arizona on the other hand has defence already but is sorely lacking in terms of offence.
By picking up Ryan who they can afford as one of the few teams that has room for him then get a 60 point per year guy.

NoBiasRambo

1.) 09 Mar 2018 21:50:39
Lol you call Ryan a 60 pts Guy

John chayka laugh hard.


2.) 09 Mar 2018 21:53:39
You are just like GoldenShowers but Senator's version.


3.) 09 Mar 2018 21:56:25
Ryan is a cap dump with negative value. That's why Ottawa is trying to attach him to any Karlsson deal. A Pittsburgh 1st is not nearly enough to bridge the gap between Dahlin and the 2nd or 3rd overall with Ryan involved.


4.) 09 Mar 2018 22:35:21
Imo Arizona would rather trade Ekman-Larsson and build around Dahlin. Plus, some other teams could come up with much better proposals.


5.) 09 Mar 2018 23:21:34
Actually Arizona has a ton of young high end ceiling forwards like Keller, strome, Dvorak, Fischer, domi even crouse to a lesser degree. They don’t have those high end prospects on the blue line and would not pass up Dahlin.

There’s rumors that OEL may not want to be back in Arizona beyond next season. Then Dahlin is the replacement. And if those rumors are BS which is very possible, why would they pass on Dahlin when they have an elite #1 Swedish D to groom him? Either way, coyotes make that pick if they win it.


6.) 09 Mar 2018 23:32:49
And as Cou says IF Arizona let it known they were shopping that pick, teams would line up with more than a late 1st and a cap dump to upgrade their pick.


7.) 10 Mar 2018 02:15:42
This is not a year to trade the first overall. Maybe if Karlsson is involved they will listen.


8.) 10 Mar 2018 02:53:28
Lol biased rambo getting roasted up in here. Brutal proposal. The price to get rid of ryan's contract is at least a first round pick. So Arizona trades Dahlin for the 2nd or 3rd overall for nothing.

Cool story bro.


9.) 10 Mar 2018 21:39:54
1st off Ryan is far from negative value. The guy had one bad season due to health issues, that never has and never will warrent a negative value.

Even this year the guy has 27 points in 47 games so far working out to a 0.57 point per game average a little past the half way mark. and last year's playoffs he was the 2nd best player for ottawa next to EK.

Is he worth 7 million? No. but
is he worth less than 5? Probably not.
Does Arizona have the cap space for the over payment? Heck yeah they do.

Most of Arizona's current front end prospects outside domi are a bust.

So again while dahlin is highly hyped up I doubt a team like Arizona would be crazy enough to turn down a 50 to 60 point top 6 winger, a mid to late 1st, and the 2nd or 3rd overall pick even if it is for the 1st overall.

Aside from a bad contract and one very bad yet unhealthy season, can anyone actually come up with any reason whatsoever that Ryan would have anywhere near a negative value? No? I didn't think so.


10.) 10 Mar 2018 21:49:16
On top of this I won the brassard debate where y'all said sens would be lucky to get an early
my 2nd or a late 1st for him. well not only did we get a 1st like I guarenteed we would but we also got a high end goalie prospect on top of that. go figure. Phaneuf also got traded like I said he would, mind you dummion Dorian took a retention when he shouldn't have but still the trade happened. Not to mention the over payment on Duchene while it was huge overpayment we didn't move Chabot brown or white like all of you kept claiming it would take.

So y'all can keep talking trash all you want I'll just keep preparing speeches for the "I told you so" moments. clearly I know more about real life trades and values than the majority of you no common sense nobodies.


11.) 10 Mar 2018 23:53:40
Rambo, people said you would get an early second or late first for brassard and you think they’re wrong? A pens first is about as late as it gets when predicting before the playoffs, and they retained half his salary for this year and next. Obviously you’re going to get a little more lol that’s not saying everyone was wrong, sens added an asset (salary retention) is to brassard to get that return. Figure it out man.


12.) 10 Mar 2018 23:58:27
And yeah, you’re so right, 19 yearold clayton Keller with 18 NHL goals and 50 pts in his first 69 games is so much more of a bust than 23 year old Max Domi with 32 goals and m 200+ games. You have zero cred.


13.) 11 Mar 2018 00:40:28
Well said Rambo. I`m a Hawks fan and can see that value as you do. There can be a deal in place there but maybe twitch it around a bit as the rumour does say that Ekman-Larsen wants out and Arizona will keep and build around Dalin. So maybe something like;

Ottawa trades ( Ceci or Claesson), White and Ryan

Arizona trades Ekman-Larsen, 2nd 2018

or Arizona 1st pick 2018 = Dalin only.


14.) 11 Mar 2018 03:18:58
Hahaha delusions from fantasy island! Ryan's contract is horrendous. Guy is as clueless as the Sens joke of an owner.


15.) 11 Mar 2018 03:52:02
Hmmm. What if Ottawa got number 1 overall and Arizona got number 2?

Alex Goligoski, the 2nd overall pick and a 2nd for 1st overall? Nope, Ottawa wouldn't do that. Similarly, Zona wouldn't do the propsed deal.


16.) 11 Mar 2018 22:32:09
Is hawks18 and nobiasrambo the same person? He has done the 2 account thing before.


17.) 12 Mar 2018 16:29:05
Biased Jim. you might want to do you're research a little better.

The trade went as follows.

Ott gets Gustafson, a 3rd next year, pens 1st, And Cole who they flipped for a 3rd

Vegas eats 40% of brassard contract and gets pens 4th and Reaves

Pens get brassard (at 60%), Dunne, Lindberg, and sens 3rd

That just proves you don't actually follow the sport.


18.) 15 Apr 2018 14:03:48
Just one account man. I just happened to agree with Rambo that time. If it makes sense to me I would agree with yours too at times.

Don't worry man (Facelift) . If you have issues with Rambo, take it out on him. I don't like Ryan's contract and value either. Ottawa got f***ed with that but that is Melnyks and Dorion's problem.

No worries, I still enjoy the various comments and opinions. Some are outrageous, delusional. biased, freekin'hilarious or intelligent. it's all fun to read.


 

 

22 Feb 2018 09:36:01
So not that I want to trade karlsson but I did hear this one a couple times now and not only is it more realistic than every trade you people post but it gives value to both teams.

Ott: karlsson, Ryan.

Tbl: point, sergachev, and the next 3 years of first rounders.

And this is an actually real rumor said to be a possibility

I wouldn't mind adding Paul to Ottawa's side to get my hometown boy Matthew peca out of Tampa and into ottawa.

NoBiasRambo

1.) 22 Feb 2018 11:20:27
No from Tampa, unless EK has an extension.

- that's three first round picks first of all.
- Sergachev has all the makings of a top 2 dman (not as good as EK but still the makings of a top 2)
- Point is 21 and PPG. don't think theyd be inclined to give him up.


Imo, without an extension, that's a definite no from Tampa. Even with an extension, I don't know if the cap works, considering EK and Ryan would total about 17 million, while the others total less then 3 million.

Just can't see Tampa tearing down what they've built to take 1.5 years of a guy and an enormous cap dump. I mean, if this happened and I was a TB fan, i'd be pretty pissed.


2.) 22 Feb 2018 11:35:01
Only if he is extended does he get that much John Rambo. Especially if you’re sending dead weight with him to Tampa.


3.) 22 Feb 2018 11:54:12
Huge no for karlsson.
If you add Ryan to that trade your not going get as much as you think.


4.) 22 Feb 2018 12:54:31
Not sure if you are trolling or serious.

Given that Point and Serg are cost controlled and Karlsson is going to be looking for mega bucks on his next deal, I would not trade them straight up for Karlsson. Adding Ryan in the deal materially impacts any value Ottawa will get back. Few teams in the league have the cap space to take on that kind of a hit, and even fewer would be in a position where it makes sense to do so. The cost of someone taking that horrific contract off Ottawa’s hands would be a first round pick, at minimum. And you add 3 1st round picks?

You may have to change your name Rambo, because you are clearly biased. Brutal proposal. Tampa laughs till you hang up.


5.) 22 Feb 2018 13:02:42
It was also stated that ottawa would be best served trading Karlsson without the addition of a cap dump would make for the best return. Also i cannot see Point added. Tampa has cup aspirations and aren't likely to be sdding one of there top 5 point forwards. I can see Sergachev, Howden, Foote orcthat Libor Hajek guy and a 1st for Karlsson.


6.) 22 Feb 2018 13:13:19
They are saying that if the team takes Ryan too you get a discount. You aren't getting that return with Ryan included.


7.) 22 Feb 2018 17:29:46
I agree with FT4A.
Accurate assessment of the situation.


8.) 22 Feb 2018 18:21:52
Terrible for tampa.


9.) 24 Feb 2018 08:46:01
How is this terrible for Tampa?

Bobby Ryan = one bad season and injury plagued this season are his cons. but his pros include being a solid playoff performer, and a consistent 50 to 60 point player each season when healthy. bad contract gets cancelled out by packaging with generational talent.

Erik Karlsson - best defenceman in the world, generational talent, can instantly add credibility to any team and make them a contender single handedly, he and hedman have experience playing together and would instantly become the kuch stammer of the back end in Tampa, are some of his pros. one bad season early in career and one bad season now don't change his value and are his only cons

Point and sergachev are having magnified seasons as both are playing with the best duo and one of the best defenceman in the game right now so naturally they will look better than they are not that they aren't good but without kuch stammer and hedman point is around dzingle level and sergachev will be great but Chabot will be better.

The 3 1sts are definitely a necessity as Tampa will not be finishing in bottom 10 anytime soon esp if they were to add EK making their 1st rounders a lot less valuable than any other team.

Cap space might be an issue down the road but who's to say there's no way around that? Maybe a 3 way deal where Tampa flips Ryan to Vegas for a pick or 2?

As a sens fan I would never take any less than this for our best player pretty much since they returned to the league. we'd be crazy to accept less.


 

 

09 Jan 2018 23:22:46
Tavares is rumored to be traded by deadline.

Ottawa players brassard Smith and Ceci all drawing legit interest from around the league.

Nyi: Tavares

Ott: brassard, Ceci, Smith, white

Isles get a top 6 center, top 4 young defenceman who's starting to look like he can reach the potential originally seen in him, an elite prospect center, and a big body physical guy who can play anywhere in the line up, rather than losing him to free agency for nothing.

Then ottawa trades burrows who has also been drawing league interest for a 3rd or 4th. and dumps Phaneuf for what ever they can get. then MacArthur retires.

Dzingle Tavares stone
Hoffman Duchene Ryan
Chlapic pageau pyatt
Dumont kelly Thompson

Karlsson oduya
Wideman Chabot
Claeson borowieski


Then aim for dahlin in the lottery or the back up plan of Brady tkechuck (if I even spelled that Right lol)

With the contracts dumped they should have more than enough money to resign stone EK and Tavares and have some left over for the future.


Keep in mind Tavares is getting traded anyway, meet York will want to remain competitive now rather than fall into a total rebuild, and considering what stars have gone for lately it's doubtful they'll get a better offer for him than this.

NoBiasRambo

1.) 09 Jan 2018 23:32:52
I don't know what your hearing and that return is horrible 3 decling players and a decent prospect for Tavares a top 10 player in the league maybe top 5 right now no way.


2.) 10 Jan 2018 00:13:20
I definitely think they should dump smith but the Islanders might hold on to Tavares after all. Regardless I think this is not one of the situations where a team is looking for quantity, so the Senators would have to offer up something better than what they do in this hypothetical.


3.) 09 Jan 2018 23:39:08
You really think that's the best offer the Islanders would get for Tavares?

Laughable.


4.) 10 Jan 2018 00:29:49
Hahahaha like wtf tho no from Islanders this is terrible.


5.) 10 Jan 2018 00:58:19
Why would you loose the farm on JT when you can buy him in a couple years!


6.) 10 Jan 2018 01:13:49
Ya. no from Isles. Also. do you think that Chris Kelly still plays for the sens?


7.) 10 Jan 2018 02:40:40
That's not the farm and Tavares is free this summer buddy.


8.) 10 Jan 2018 05:17:51
I think a lot of people overate half a season of Tavares.


9.) 10 Jan 2018 06:16:51
Nylander again you prove to know nothing. Keep it up. Tavares is a franchise player (no Marner is not) and he’s a top 10 player in the world. Bruh.


10.) 10 Jan 2018 10:12:43
His contract is up at seasons end, he already made public he has no intentions of resigning a contract with new York, no team in their right mind is going to pay top dollar for a rental player sorry to tell you guys.

Ottawa has the guys that can be dumped and not cripple the team doing so.

And what declining players are you even talking about canucks?

Ceci - on the rise and getting better not on decline.

Brassard and smith - both as consistent as ever and also not near a decline.

White - elite level prospect with potential to reach top 6 or even top 3 center.

The most a rental usually gets is a roster player, a decent prospect, and a mid to late 1st. here they get a roster player in Smith an elite prospect in white a top 4 d in Ceci and a top 6 center in brassard so yeah I do think this is the best they could get for Tavares if he doesn't come fully signed.

Oh as for Ceci value here's a news flash, he was supposed to have been traded a couple years ago to Edmonton straight up for taylor hall but having to wait for approval from owner ultimately costed them as devils sweeper him up. considering he has improved since then I'd say his value went up too.


11.) 10 Jan 2018 11:23:14
Stop. Overating. Your. Players.

Its annoying buddy.

Ceci ain't on the rise. All Sens fans i see on Ig/ twitter are harping on him and the pairing of him/ Oduya. he's probabky a good number 4 dman, but nothing really more.

Brassaed and Smith ain't as consistent as ever. Brassard is an okay 2nd line centre or very good 3rd liner, but nothing more. he's nowhere near elite 'consistent status', and the downgrade frok tavares to him is huge. And Smith is merely a cup dump, don't play him up, he's 3 million for a 4th lime centre, similar to Marcus Kruger.

And White ain't an 'elite prospect'. he's a good prospect, a high end guy for sure, but i'd put him in the same boat as guys like Julian Gauthier or Sam Steel. Elite would be guys like Miro Heiskanen or others like that.

Basically, with the cap dump of Smith, that makes up from the addition of Ceci. This is basically Brassard + White for Tavares. No way NYI accepts. They'd be either trading JT for a boatload of picks/ prospects, or, for a star player in return.

Sorry i had to rant, but its getting frustarting seeing you overvalue Ottawa players despite everyoje saying their valeus are less than what you percieve em as.


12.) 10 Jan 2018 12:11:59
Rambo Cecis value has fallen off a cliff last couple years. He simply isn't that good. Also A) that was with Chia and he's an awful GM and B) Sens refused Drouin for Ceci and people were on board. So thank you. You think that's still where his value is? So glad we got Sergachev instead.


13.) 10 Jan 2018 17:48:54
I never said brassard or Smith were elite players topshelfslappers, I said they were consistent at their level which is a difference.

There is absolutely no way newly York gets Top dollar for a guy who remains unsigned, espessially one at Tavares level. no team will give more than that for him unless he's fully signed to a new contract, why would they take that chance of giving an all star package for a chance he signs with them as if he walks, they just gutted their team for nothing.

As for Smith and white, you're undervaluing white as he is for sure an elite prospect, why do you think Colorado was pursuing him and Chabot so heavily in Duchene garbage?
And Smith has been and still is one of the sens most sought after trade chips because he's a big body physical guy who can play any role on any line you need him to.
If you watch tsn and any of the sports shows let alone the game itself you'd already know this.

I'm not over valuing anyone I'm simply giving their actual value rather than the underrated values that seem to be perceived by people like you who think they know something but in reality know nothing.


14.) 10 Jan 2018 17:58:06
Like for instance I remember someone a while back saying Ceci wasn't worth a high 2nd round pick let alone a 1st, yet reality seemed to agreed with me in that a trade of Ceci straight up for Drouin was rejected by sens, and if not for ownership approved being needed first their was a deal made with Edmonton that would have seen Taylor hall for Ceci straight up.

Call me crazy but proposals of Ceci for a 1st look like a low ball offer compared to these 2 deals don't they? And Ceci has definitely gotten better since then espessially this season so his value has to have gone up or at the very least no way it's gone down.


15.) 10 Jan 2018 19:22:02
Cici has NOT gotten better in the last two seasons. He's gotten way worse. He had value two years ago because he then still was supposed to be pretty good, a lot better than he is now. He still had that thing called potential two years ago and that's what made him a little valuable. Two years later we know what the potential is. And it sure as rubbish isn't improved. Lol. That's hilarious.

And yes. You overvalue your Players drastically.

Zack Smith has 3G, 6A, 9P in 27 games and is a -15.
Career 155 points in 501 games played.
Making $3.25M a year for the next 3 seasons after this one WITH a modified NTC. He's nothing special man.
I really like the player, and would like him in my bottom six, but not for $3.25M for that production. He doesn't have much value with all things considered, production and salary and term.


16.) 10 Jan 2018 19:40:13
Cmon rambo.

this is the equivelant of bozak, komarov, carrick, kapanen and a 2nd for tavares. its so bad. stop being so biased towards sens players.


17.) 10 Jan 2018 20:13:57
Ok. Born and raised Sens fan from Ottawa here. First off with Duchene, Stone and Karlsson needing large contracts (7m, 7m, 12m) soon and 2 very ugly contracts on our books with Ryan, Phaneuf and another few smaller 2 year no trade contracts for players like Thompson and Burrows ( who is not going to get us a bag a pucks let alone a 3rd. ) we are in no position to take on Tavares nor would he likely wanna be here after this year.

I love that we got so close last year to making it to the stanley cup final but give your head a shake and come back down to earth. We gave away Methot for squat, lost wingels, Stalberg and macarthur as well.

Dorion and Melnyk are killing us. Gives away Karlssons partner and gives up Turris, First (protected if top 10) and a First rd'r (bowers) for Duchene.

realistically/ hopefully we trade away people who have value but are not essential like Hoffman, Smith and ceci and try to dump Phaneuf or Ryans contract somehow.

Brassard has value because he is am inexpensive centre on the books but because of that as well and the fact our owner is cheap he is likely not going anywhere.


18.) 10 Jan 2018 20:07:58
1) He has never said he has no intention of signing in New York, in fact the exact opposite. He keeps saying he wants to (whether that’s the truth or not is to be seen)

2) Tavares is not being overrated on half a season, has been a star in a shitty market for a long time.

3) Ottawa has a superstar player who I highly doubt is going to be there this time next year, and these players talk to each other. No other star is going to sign there if their own drafted and developed guy feels slighted there.

4) islanders might (especially if this is the return) keep JT for the playoff run the way they are going, and have a handshake deal (like yzerman and stamkos had) with him that if he wants to leave come July, he can negotiate his contract with any team he wants and they do a sign and trade through NYI.

This gives islanders a cpl assets, gives the other team the player they really want and gives Tavares a chance to get the 8th year in his contract he couldn’t otherwise get.


19.) 10 Jan 2018 22:14:10
As a sens fan from ottawa i agree 100% with frippers view, man that was well said.


20.) 12 Jan 2018 22:00:49
I never said Tavares is over rated he's elite no doubt that's not in question when it comes to his trade value. what is in question is his unsigned contract status which WILL bring down his value I don't care how elite a player he is.


Think of it from team management perspective. you offer your best player 3 different contract extensions with your club all of which he turns down without a sencond thought the biggest of which was 12.35 million per season, yes this was the latest offer, do you

A-keep him anyway and pray he changes his mind or let him walk away for nothing in free agency

Or

B-take an offer such as this one that keeps your team competitive now as well as gives you a big piece for the future

Most if not all gems will go with option b

Look at spezza deal when he was moved to Dallas. still in his prime and all he got was chaison a pick and paul and he was a point a game guy at the time too and he had a term contract.


21.) 13 Jan 2018 18:24:10
It's beyond me where you guys get your value ratings from.

Its like when it comes to the ottawa players only, you base their value solely on the players worst career seasons, ignoring every other thing it should be based on thus resulting in you low ball ratings of sens players value.

News flash guys, a players value, no matter what team they play for, is NOT defined by 1 bad season. it is defined by the players overall effectiveness, consistency, ability to affect the game, career totals, in some cases team needs, and Yes, like in Tavares case, term of contract.

One bad season doesn't affect their value what so ever!


 

 

 

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03 Feb 2018 10:13:09
Sens players of today vs sens players of the past and what they landed in a trade to determine current players trade values or what they could land in a trade.

Fisher is the closest comparison to brassard who is better in offence and speed and as good defensively as Fisher who got them - a mid 1st and a conditional pick that could have been a 2nd or a 3rd

Brassard value should be at least equal to that if not greater.

Vermette and Smith would be closest comparison as stats are about equal at these particular points in their careers with the differences being speed vs size and toughness, contracts also identical at these points, vermette landed leclair (who at this point was considered a solid goalie) and a 2nd

Smith's value is therefore worth at least a late 1st or early 2nd.

Pageau >> kelly who landed a late 2nd

Pageau worth at least an early 2nd or late 1st

Burrows holds more value than Shane Prince and a 7th which landed a 3rd

Burrows worth a 3rd

White has far more value than lazar did when he was traded for a mid to late 2nd

White worth at least a mid 1st

As noticed all of these comparisons are based on trades that DID actually happen and players that do now what they did back then.

Also note that if Heatley and spezza can be moved without retention with the contracts they carried then moving guys like Ryan and Phaneuf is NOT out of the question!

NoBiasRambo

1.) 03 Feb 2018 13:48:47
Buddy, your comparing Ottawa Senators now to Ottawa Senators of the past. that's not going to get you anywhere. Especially considering the Fisher, Kelly and Kovalev deals were well over 5+ years ago. What you should look at now is the players contracts, and very recent trades (like last trade deadline) . For example,

Hanzal got a 1st+ because of his defensive game, Brassard can get a 1st.

Zach Smith is overpaid, and on bad term. If Ottawa got a third for him, they'd be lucky. he's a big contract not doing much on the offensive side of the puck.

Burrows is not at all close to Prince. You guys overpaid geting Burrows, and at least Prince was young and had potential when beinh dealt to Long Island. Burrows is worth what Stafford got last year, 6th, maybe 5th.

Pageau is worth a second sure, but not a 1st. he's a third liner on a decent deal, so he womt bring badk a 1st.

AND idk why u wanna trade white. But whatever.


2.) 04 Feb 2018 10:04:09
Doesn't matter how long ago those trades were, the point is that the mentioned players trade values at the time of their trades are more than comparable to certain players of today's trade values, as they do pretty well the same thing for their team as the players of the past did and have similar contracts.

Brassard is more valuable than hanzel and Fisher as he provides offence defence faceoffs and speed.

Zach Smith makes 3.25 million and is having a bad year like the rest of the team, he's generally a 3rd liner who puts up between 30 and 40 points a season, one bad year affects nothing. Therefore reaffirming what I had said about his value being a late 1st or early 2nd as that's where players drafted in those spots usually end up in the league unless a rarity is found.

Prince was at his peek when he was traded and could not provide the locker room leadership, or heart and dedication that burrows provides, nor was Prince as hard in the puck battles as burrows is, not saying your wrong about us overpaying for him but he can get what Prince got based on him being better than Prince ups his value but age bring it back down making it even.

Pageau is much better than kelly ever was plus he is a solid playoff performer every year thus his value being at least double what Kelly's value (late 2nd) was.

White was mentioned because his value is high and if paired with the right player like say, brassard, they could fetch a 2nd top 10 pick not only upping their chances of getting dahlin but also possibly getting another big piece on an entry level deal like maybe tketchuck.

That's why I mentioned white, high value but expendable in ottawa as sens still have formenton, batherson, chlapic, and brown to fall back on. plus his entry level deal is up a year before all of theirs.


3.) 04 Feb 2018 12:35:52
Extremely Biased Rambo go to bed.


4.) 05 Feb 2018 16:06:54
What part of this is not true exactly?

You offer your scepticism and denial when faced with facts but when it comes to reasoning it's something you just can't do.

At least I provide proof of past trades and their current day equivalents in trade value and what they provide their team with while a number of extremely biased protesters can do nothing but undervalue certain players based on the team they play for or overvalue available players from other teams. prime examples being turris Duchene before and after that deal.

So spare me the accusation of me being biased when in reality it's the other way around!


 

 

24 Dec 2017 18:54:34
Ott: Phaneuf
Det: 3rd round pick

Ott: Hoffman
Edm or buf: 1st round pick

Ott: brassard, Paul, dzingle
Van: 1st and 3rd round picks

Ott: burrows
Ana or Njd: 2nd round pick

Ottawa then either wins the draft lottery and gets 2 more top picks with the number 1 or loses lottery but trades up to get it anyway with the extra picks they'll have then goes on to draft rasmus dahlin giving them not 1 but 2 of the best defence prospects in the game in chabot and dahlin to learn from the number 1 guy EK who thanks to the cap dumps ottawa should have no problem resigning.

Then they call up the likes of white, brown, formenton, and chlapic to replace the pieces traded.

NoBiasRambo

1.) 24 Dec 2017 19:30:04
NOBODYYYYYYY wants that Lhaneuf contract, and Detroit has enough bad contracts as is, do they want another? Nope.

Edmonton may do that deal, depending on how they feel about their first, however, Buffalo slaps you in the face. Buffalos forst is top5 forsure - you ain't getting one of Dahlin, Zadina, Svech, Boq or Veleno for Hoff.

Hahahahahahahhahahahahaha. You think Vancouver wants an aging second line centre? For their 1st which is, like Buffalo, going to be top5 basically guarranteed barring a huge unlikely playoff push? And DZingel is nothing, he's like worth a 3rd, and Paul is literally worthless, he hasn't played at all, maybe worth a 6th. You ain't getting a top 5 pick for a second line centre (who, by the way, Vancouver has some of those, think Horvat, Sedin, Granlund, Sutter, etc) and two throwins.

And Burrows will never get a second. he's fourth line value, will maybe get a 4th ish. Y'all were crazy to give up Dahlen for him.


2.) 24 Dec 2017 19:33:10
Det, Buf, Van, Anh, Nj all say no.
Edm 1dt for Hoffman is the only believable fit here.


3.) 25 Dec 2017 04:51:56
Not a clue why this is showing up here instead of where I actually posted it but whatever.

Phaneuf is still a top 4 defenceman whether anyone likes it or not. Yes he has a bad contract but a team like Detroit who no longer has datsyuk contract on the books can more than afford it for the next few years and to get him for a 3rd is more than fair both ways so get over yourselves with the dumb comments that he's unreadable due to his contract. Everyone is tradable no matter the contract, and he was traded twice already no reason he can't be traded again.

Burrows probably could fetch a low 2nd or high third, teams in contention like players like burrows who fight to get in the little dirty areas and tend to over pay for them a lot just look at trade history.


Hoffman one actually is in talks for sure with Edmonton but no reason why buffalo wouldn't get in on that action seeing as how they need a goal scorer like Hoffman next to eichel and considering it was Tim Murray who actually drafted Hoffman when he worked in ottawa and has a connection to the guy.

And brassard is far from aging he's in his prime, why is it so hard to believe that he a young dzingle who keeps getting a better and a sought after big body prospect like Paul could fetch that sort of return? Horvat is really the only one on canucks current roster who could challenge brassard for top center there I mean the sedins are aging faster than a shriveled up prune and not what they used to be.


4.) 25 Dec 2017 06:46:29
Brassard is 30 that's end of prime. Paul is a bust he's got about the same value as Adam Erne but Erne scores more. Dzingle isn't an up and comer he's at a players typical peak age. Could get a bit better but will never be top 6. Adding also doesn't make much sense for VAN or BUF or DET for that matter. Phaneuf contract makes it hard to move its not like Sens gave up anything for him. Its not hard to see why this are unbelievable looking at them from not OTT perspective for like 5 seconds.


5.) 25 Dec 2017 16:56:16
Paul, Dzingel, Burrows, Phaneuf suck. Get over it. Combined, they'd get a second. And even that's a maybe. Brassard ain't getting a top 5-10 pick buddy. Would you give up your first for Brandon Sutter? Didn't think so. And Hoff to Buffalo isn't happening, for a first especially.


6.) 25 Dec 2017 19:07:23
A low 2nd for burrows and a 3rd for Phaneuf can definitely happen it not unbelievable.

As for brassard deal a pick in the top 5 ok ottawa may have to add but anything 6 and up it's doable with the pieces involved and Vancouver is definitely not a shoe in for bottom 5 so they could take a risk early while the season is still salvageable thinking a trade could turn them around and the trade could look good for either team depending how it goes at seasons end.

Also brassard is 29 not 30 but even still 30 is far from end of peak which the actually age for that is closer to 33 or 34. and comparing Brandon Sutter to Derrick brassard is hardly a fair comparison as sitter is a career 3rd line center while brassard has always been number 1 or 2 line center and puts up twice th point totals. let alone adding a guy like Paul who could fit in nicely on any teams 3rd line just not Ottawa's as they have an over abundance of young and talented kids, and dzingle who can slip in to most teams top six and is one of the fastest skaters in the world with pretty good point totals.

So again not sure how any of these are hard to believe?


7.) 25 Dec 2017 22:47:23
Okay, listen to this:

Komarov for 2nd from NJ/ ANH

Martin and Lupul and 6th for 3rd from DET.

JVR and 3rd for Buffalos 1st.

Rychel, Bozak and Kapanen for Vancouvers 1st.


See how unrealistic that is?


8.) 26 Dec 2017 00:02:51
Brassard was born Sept 1987. he's 30. And 30 is end of peak especially for not elite players. Even by your own admission he's got a couple years left before he starts getting worse. he's not worth a lottery pick. Burrows is old and not that good not worth anyones second. OTT is far from the league leader in young talented forwards Paul has 7 points 1 goal in 17 AHL games that's not some great 3rd line NHLer. I don't know what's so hard to understand here.


9.) 26 Dec 2017 04:45:26
If that is so jbs32 then how do you explain Thornton Marleau kopitar or my PERSONAL favourite in this category jagr. peak is 33 to 34 NOT 30


Burrows is the type of player who grinds it out a fights to get the puck out of the dirty areas so for a team going for a cup run he is definitely worth a 2nd.


Phaneuf is not only a top 4 defenceman but a big body presence on the power play and brings leadership, experience and can finish so a 3rd would definitely be worth giving up for a team that could afford that contract.


10.) 26 Dec 2017 04:55:27
Kpmorpv for a late second - yes I could see that

Jvr and a 3rd for buffalos 1st - also a yes possibility

Lupul a 3rd and and Martin for set 3rd - is a hell no and is not really a fair comparison, I'm assuming you're using this as a counter to Phaneuf deal which if so makes no sense as while both have bad contracts at least Phaneuf plays while lupus just eats cap and is always injured so get real

Rychel kapanen and bozak for Vancouver's 1st - is a yes as well for van but don't think tor willing to move that much for it.


11.) 26 Dec 2017 18:05:53
Just look back to the last fore sale ottawa had if you disagree with any of this.

Heatley landed a 1st cheechoo and michalek

Kelly landed a 2nd (burrows does same things kelly did well minus the faceffs)

Fisher got a 1st (brassard provides more offense but defense and faceoffs are bout same)

Kovalev got a 1st (Phaneuf is more consistent and reliable plus his position is more important with his contract being his only bad side)

And didn't jarco ruutu land them a 2nd as well? That right there should tell you all you need to know.

Just because a handful of you guys on here under value sens players doesn't mean everyone else does too or even that the league itself does lol.


12.) 26 Dec 2017 21:53:27
If those players are so amazing then keep them.

But you're so far off on their value, as mentioned a lot above, It's crazy.


13.) 27 Dec 2017 01:26:00
I disagree on 3 out of the 5. heatley didn't bring back a first, he actually brought back a 2nd with michalek and cheech. Kovalev didn't bring back a first, that one was a conditional 6th. And ruutu didn't bring in a 2nd, he was traded for a 6th (max mccormick)


14.) 27 Dec 2017 15:41:23
If they didn't bring back 1sts then how did ottawa end up with 3 or 4 1st rounders that year?
Matt peumple, robin lehner, and stepan noesen that I know of.
All 3 were 1st round picks that's a guarantee. and all were drafted by the sens. maybe you should look back on your trade history facelift39. actually one came from vermette trade along with Pascal leclair who at the time had a lot of value himself and it was a high pick that got the sens leaner. pretty sure the the 2nd one was from the Fisher deal or the kovalev deal, I'm thinking kovalev deal as it was the 28th pick that drafted peumple so it would've had to have come from a team that made the final 2 that year which were pens and wings around that time.

Yup how am I far off at all? You might want to think before you speak. that's one of the dumbest comments I've ever seen. if I'm off in value I'd love to see your biased value charts so I can cry myself to sleep tonight laughing at how 1 sided against ottawa they are lol.


15.) 27 Dec 2017 19:36:45
Rambo, Ottawa is one of my favorite teams to watch. My parents are from Ottawa and all my relatives still live there.
But you overvalue Sens players like crazy.
You even said Edm has no winger like Burrows who gets into the corners. You forget they have Lucic, Maroon, Drake, Jujhar, Kassian? They are get in the corners and aren't afraid to battle with anyone.
I really like a lot of the Sens players, But you over value them here like crazy. The teams you are trying to give them away to in this post all have no interest in those players. They just aren't good fits. Not saying they aren't good players. They just aren't good fits to those teams especially for what you want back, over valued them for the return you want. Two things are wrong. The fit, and the value.


16.) 27 Dec 2017 22:22:29
Lehner was a 2nd round pick bud, and i repeat heatley was traded (with a 5th) for cheech, michalek and 2nd (kent simpson) kovalev was traded to pens for conditional 6th (ryan dzingel) and ruutu was traded for a 6th (max mccormick) as per www. nhltradetracker. com
Do your own research man, every post YOU put on here is by far the dumbest thing I've ever read. you're delusional and talk out of your crapper.


 

 

24 Dec 2017 01:19:04
Long shot here but check these out for an ottawa rebuild.

Ott
Brassard, Paul, dzingle

Ari
Ariizonas 1st round pick

Then

Ott
Hoffman

Edm
Edmonton 1st round pick

Then

Ott
Phaneuf

Cal
Calgary 3rd round pick

Then

Ott
Burrows

Lak
Kings 2nd round pick

Then

Ottawa continues to lose leaving their 1st pick from Duchene deal with ottawa instead as it is top 10 protected

If they're lucky 1 of the other 2 teams or maybe both that the receive the high picks from can do just as bad leaving it all but a sure thing that ottawa gets number one pick or gives them the access picks they need to trade up for the number 1 pick

Ottawa then drafts rasmus dahlin with top pick and what ever else they can with what ever picks they have left giving them the best young defence core in the league with the best 2 defence prospects out there in Chabot and dahlin with the top dog himself karlsson to learn from and topping it off with a solid bottom 3 in Ceci wideman and claeson and heart guy borvievski as the extra.

Then just call up white chlapic brown and formenton to replace the missing guys who were traded.

Chabot Dahlin and karlsson together would be unreal when they get going.

NoBiasRambo

1.) 24 Dec 2017 05:26:47
Holy, Arizona laughs so hard. Why would they give you their 1st for that. Especially if as you say it could
Be Dahlin.


2.) 26 Dec 2017 15:42:44
Why would calgary trade for phaneuf when they already have a blueline consisting of giordano, hamilton, brodie, hamonic and others? Lol its like this guy just picks teams out of a hat. Also you're dreaming if you think anyone is giving up anything for burrows, its not 2011.


 

 

 

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22 Apr 2018 18:46:51
Colts offer is better but still think Columbus has to add. Maybe take out abramov and change murray or wenberg to werenski

Jones and ek would be the perfect compliment to each other

AND werenski would make the loss of EK hurt a little less while they add a piece up front or back end on top. And those 2 picks while late and not worth as much as sooner picks could still help ottawa restock prospect pool.

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15 Apr 2018 23:24:13
How on earth is that possibly an over payment from the islanders easy e? Like get real dude!

Tavares and Josh Bailey will not be back in New York next season. frees up over 12 million which is more than enough to take on either of those packages. Ryan provides some of the scoring they'll miss from JT as well. and any of the top 3 PICKS are and always have been worth at least 2 top 5 to 10 picks. if it ends up being 1st overall this year with dahlin as the prize then that alone is worth everything they gave up just based on his hype alone. outside the top 5 this is a very weak draft class as well. ottawa is basically hoping one of those picks breaks in to top 3 via lottery odds if anything.

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15 Apr 2018 16:17:23
14th and 19th pick have what? A 30 to 35% chance at best of making a real impact in the nhl and not just being role players. They are very rare.
Top 10 have a 50 to 65% chance of making that impact while top 5 are between 70 and 85% which is all but a guarrenteed they'll be something.
This is the equivalent of trading Erik karlsson for yannik Weber and Ben Ryan. who you ask? Exactly my point, it's a trade no-one in there right mind would even consider.

If ottawa had any intention of moving that pick, especially not knowing if it'll turn into the 1st or not and I'm not saying they should because I wouldn't, it would be the islanders who would have the best shot at landing it.

Nyi : both 1sts they own (8th and 10th overall), the rights to Tavares

Ott : Ottawa's 1st (top 5 overall no matter what but best projected at 1 or 2), and either gaborik, Smith, and burrows or Ryan, and gaborik.

Islanders take the risk at 1 or 2 by giving 2 top 10 with the lowest odds at number 1 plus the rights to a superstar who refuses to resign with them and might very well refuse ottawa too and taking on 2 big cap hits one (ryan) who is still a good threat offensively for reasons I've stated in the past.

Ottawa loses its best chance at dahlin but gains 2 more slight chances to move up in a weak draft year and a shot to sign Tavares before anyone else talks to him all while dumping 2 huge contracts which would free the money needed to sign Tavares as well as EK and stone.

Trade value of draft picks example I have off the top of my head is the 2008 draft class when ottawa traded the 17th overall pick plus a 3rd round pick that year to move up just 2 spots to 15th and draft Erik karlsson.
keep in mind that no-one at that point in time could have ever imagined that EK would go on to become the best defenceman in the world.
But a trade for a pick only 2 spots higher costed them a 3rd on top of theirs for a pick that wasn't even top 10.
Trades like this happen every single year and thus if the 15th is worth that much then 1 or 2 with most definitely be worth a whole lot more

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14 Apr 2018 22:36:19
Yo 1st off you need to understand that they call it a draft (lottery) for a reason!

Just because ottawa finished 2nd last in the standings it doesn't mean they will get the 2nd overall pick. They won't get lower than the 5th pick but also have the 2nd best odds of getting the "number 1" pick.

That being said, this package yet again is a major low ball offer towards the sens like every other pathetic excuse of a trade proposal most of you people post. Get real and start basing returns on their players and assets with actually value not your own messed up thoughts on how they aren't worth equal value to their other team equivalents!

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11 Apr 2018 23:15:40
Heck no from ottawa dream on oilers fans you'll have to do much better than that for both karlsson and duchene.

Some guy named Conner mcdavid would definately be involved and prob nurse as well.

You don't get a top 6 / top 3 elite center and a generational talent defenceman for prospects and projects in today's trade market.

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