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17 May 2016 14:46:18
Tor - Tyler Bozak, 3rd Rd pick (Pittsburgh)
Nsh - Colin Wilson
Tor - 1st Rd pick (Pitts), 2nd Rd pick (wsh), Brendan Leipsic, frank corrado
Tmp or Pitts - Matt Murray or Andrei Vaslievski
Tor - James VanRiemsdyk, 2nd Rd pick
Mtl - 1st Rd pick (if Nylander drops)
1.) 17 May 2016 14:49:40
The first one might be doable but the Murray/ vasilevski one won't happen.
2.) 17 May 2016 15:42:47
Didn't think it would I don't really like the idea of it either just like the idea of Toronto going after a young goalie.
3.) 17 May 2016 19:00:25
Both Murray and Vasilevski will be very expensive.
4.) 23 May 2016 04:42:26
Leafs add big time.
26 Apr 2016 07:17:42
NYR - Rick Nash
Tor - Joffrey Lupul, Jared Cowen
Nash can play second or third line minutes, add a veteran presence, and adds some size to the lineup
Joffrey Lupul saves them money and can add some scoring if he gets hurt long term they can save his cap hit by putting him on ltir, they can buy out Cowen to get the cap space from that. This gives them more room to sign guys that are more important like Kreider, Hayes, Miller, Yandle.
1.) 26 Apr 2016 08:32:47
2 dumps for a guy who is expensive but can still play and score? Yeah, that'll help the Rangers. Yeesh.
2.) 26 Apr 2016 13:10:10
The thing about Lupul people seem to not be understanding I A) apparently the leafs plan to Robidas him so is he really that injured? If so why trade for him? And B) if he gets injured during the season (most likely) he goes on LTIR opens up cap but there's nobody to sign to fill it would have to give up more assets when he comes off LTIR it'll cause cap problems at that point in time unless someone else is hurt. He's injury prone but unlike Horton or Pronger you can't plan on him being injured/ missing the season you have to plan for his cap hit.
3.) 26 Apr 2016 17:23:08
That is terrible TML.
4.) 26 Apr 2016 17:24:06
Not trying to Troll this post but I put a Trade Proposal of Lupul to the Rangers for Girardi.
Rangers are at the Cap limit and they can put Lupul on LTIR to give them 5.5 million extra in Cap Space.
Yes Girardi has a bad Contract for the Leafs but they are looking for a RHanded shooting Vet DMan and they themselves can buyout Girardi in one or two years.
The Leafs are in a great position with Cap Space, Draft Picks and Young Players coming in.
The Rangers are not so its a Trade that really helps both Teams.
5.) 26 Apr 2016 21:36:33
No team should take Cowen in a trade. It was made public that the Leafs are going to buy him out.
19 Mar 2016 00:38:54
This whole trade would depend on Stamkos signing somewhere else.
Tor - Andrei Vaslievski
Pit - James VanRiemsdyk, Tyler Bozak, Jonathan Drouin, Slater Koekkoek
Tmp - Evgeni Malkin, 2016 2nd Rd pick (Washington) from Tor
Toronto gets their goalie for the rebuild. One of the best young goalies in the game. They could also take on a bad contract if more was added to the deal to help out Pittsburgh or Tampa with their cap situation
Pittsburgh gets much needed depth with manageable contracts. Bozak means more to Pittsburgh than any other team because he can get the most out of Kessel who they already invested heavily in. Potentially get three top six player and a dman for their bottom pair with top four potential.
Tampa gets their new number one centre who is on a contract they probably wish they could sign Stamkos too. Malkin and Kucherov would be amazing. Also get a solid pick to add through the draft. Having Malkin, Bishop, Hedman, Johnson, Kucherov keeps their championship window open for a long time.
1.) 19 Mar 2016 00:51:53
Ya I don't think Tampa gives up Vasi Drouin and Koekkoek even for Malkin. And Bishop is only signed one more year they're relying on Vasi for the future.
2.) 19 Mar 2016 00:51:53
Ya I don't think Tampa gives up Vasi Drouin and Koekkoek even for Malkin. And Bishop is only signed one more year they're relying on Vasi for the future.
3.) 19 Mar 2016 01:52:20
I mean value wise it's probably fair or close to fair for all teams. Malkin would put Tampa in cap hell as would Stamkos but still that's a massive contract to move. Doesn't really give Penguins cap flexibility as JVR+Bozak will make close to Malkin and Koekkoek and Drouin will shortly be getting big raises, and look for JVR to get 6-7 Mil in 2 seasons. Also can't Vasilveski being available In a trade, I would bet TB would end up moving Bishop if it all came down to itt. I just don't think Lightning and Pebguins would agree.
I applaude you on the idea tho, pretty creative and out of the box actually.
4.) 19 Mar 2016 01:52:20
I mean value wise it's probably fair or close to fair for all teams. Malkin would put Tampa in cap hell as would Stamkos but still that's a massive contract to move. Doesn't really give Penguins cap flexibility as JVR+Bozak will make close to Malkin and Koekkoek and Drouin will shortly be getting big raises, and look for JVR to get 6-7 Mil in 2 seasons. Also can't Vasilveski being available In a trade, I would bet TB would end up moving Bishop if it all came down to itt. I just don't think Lightning and Pebguins would agree.
I applaude you on the idea tho, pretty creative and out of the box actually.
5.) 19 Mar 2016 01:56:39
Koekkoek and Drouin are both a tear away from needing a new contract and neither one has done enough to earn a huge raise on their next deal. Koekkoek only has like 5 career nhl games due to losing 2 years of development with shoulder injuries.
6.) 19 Mar 2016 02:53:41
Value wise its there?
Leafs giving up JVR, Bozak plus a pick for one player?
Most of you undervalue all Leaf Players.
7.) 19 Mar 2016 04:08:29
Meanwhile, Pinball HIGHLY overrates all leafs players.
8.) 19 Mar 2016 04:58:51
@pinball yes it's three for one but the one player Toronto is getting is as close to a sure thing in net as you can get and that's almost impossible to find unless you draft it yourself. You got to give to get.
And I totally get what people are saying with bishop I'm assuming they would get a new contract done with him. I would also say Toronto could take on filppula or Carle in the deal if it were tinkered a bit to make the cap work. Maybe Toronto sends Cowen to Tampa as part of it and they buy him out for the camp credit?
9.) 19 Mar 2016 05:42:33
@JBS thought Koekkoek and Drouin both had 2 years left, my bad.
10.) 19 Mar 2016 16:10:49
No from PITS too.
05 Feb 2016 04:37:25
Tor - James Reimer, pa parenteau
Nsh - rights to jimmy vesey, 2017 2nd Rd pick, 2016 3rd
This all comes down to Nashville finding out if vesey will sign if they know he won't get rid of him. Nashville is a playoff team lock if they even have average goaltending rinne isn't even doing that he has been terrible to his standards. Reimer comes in as one of the hottest goalies to push them to playoffs. Parenteau come in and adds scoring depth. Toronto gets picks and a good prospect they can hopefully sign.
01 Feb 2016 06:38:01
Tmp - Alexander Killorn
Ana - Sami Vatanen
I could see Tampa adding a little here like a middle of the road prospect or pick. Killorn would look good beside getzlaf and perry.
Tmp - Andrei Vasilevskiy, Matthew Carle
Tor - James VanRiemsdyk, James Reimer
Tampa needs to clean up their cap situation getting rid of Carle for a good value contract in his prime in JVR makes a lot of sense. Reimer provides a solid backup for playoff push and run. Carle waives the no trade in theory to get more playing time in Toronto. Toronto gets their goalie for the rebuild. Tampa also opens up the door for Gudlevskis to be their goalie of the future.
Tampa can then move drouin for whatever piece they still need.
JVR - namestikov - stamkos
Palat - Johnson - kucherov
Brown - filppula - Callahan
Hedman - stralman
Vatanen - garrison
Coburn - sustr.
1.) 01 Feb 2016 12:13:04
Tampa adds in the first one and doesn't do the second one. They clean up the cap more by letting bishop walk or trading him and letting vasi take over than they do by trading Vasilevski and Carle for JVR and save 1 mill. Gudilevskis is good should be an NHL starter eventually. But he doesn't compare to Vasilevski.
2.) 01 Feb 2016 17:05:22
Man Tampa is really going to regret letting Bishop leave.
3.) 01 Feb 2016 21:03:24
As long as vasi does close to what bishop does (which he already does) for significantly cheaper and allows them to sign other players they will not really regret letting bishop go when his contract is up.
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26 Feb 2015 16:06:46
looking at the trades to this point I think if your toronto you have to be a little upset you jumped the gun with the franson and santorelli trade.
being able to get a second for winnik makes you feel that if toronto waited they would have easily be able to get a 2nd for santorelli because he has more of a scoring punch
as for franson looking at the sekara trade you got to think that if they waited they might have got the same package from the preds without adding santorelli and without taking jokinen back. LA's first is likely going to be lower then Nashville's and Liepsic and mckeown seem like similar valued prospects. Franson is stronger offensively and has more playoff experience then sekara but is not a fast or as strong defensively. Also both these deals leave Petry along with a couple others alone on the market which has to boost their stock a little bit.
all in all I still think toronto did well to get the 1st, 2nd, and leipsic but maybe if they waited they could have attained more. Hard to fault them at this point though because the market during this time of the year is impossible to predict.
1.) That's Toronto for you. I think they should have waited too
2.) I had a similar thought too(I posted about it below). However, I think it is unfair to compare the Sekera and Franson trades for a few reasons.
1) LA had been after Sekera for a long time. He was clearly #1 on their list. In that sense there may have been more of a willingness to pay top dollar for him, versus what they would pay for someone else.
2) while I generally think waiting till closer to the deadline will yield the "better" deals, there is also the possibility that you wait too long and the teams who would have been the most interested have acquired other assets or are less willing to pay the big price to add the player. Take note of that for Jeff Petry.
3) trade value is so dependent on the market, that it's nearly impossible to assume that a) every team would pony up the same assets as another team in the same trade and b) the market for your player would remain constant throughout the process. So let's say Franson was still available today, how many of the teams looking 2 weeks ago would still be looking today AND would be wanting to pay top dollar for a player. my guess is that more teams will have dropped out/spent those assets already.
4) it's always tough to be the first one out of the gate. Franson basically set the value for the rental d-man market. However, even though being first out doesn't guarantee the best return, it also means you're not running the risk of missing the market all together, which maybe the case for some of the remaining options.
This is all to say that TO may have been able to do "better", but I don't think it's correct to compare the trades without considering the mitigating factors as well.
25 Feb 2015 20:48:41
Confirmed Trade
Tor - Daniel Winnik
Pit - Zach Sill, 2016 2nd rd pick, 2015 4th rd pick
I'm surprised they didn't wait until closer to the deadline but I think toronto still did half decent on this trade getting a 2nd rounder + for him
26 May 2016 13:50:48
Ben Hutton could easily be in there.
17 May 2016 15:42:47
Didn't think it would I don't really like the idea of it either just like the idea of Toronto going after a young goalie.
17 May 2016 13:25:41
I think the Jets are getting robbed here. I know Hall is really good but Laine is bigger has a ton of potential and doesn't have the injury history of Hall. If I'm the Jets this is an easy no.
26 Apr 2016 16:42:01
Switch Reinhart for nurse.
21 Apr 2016 16:59:34
Not enough value for the first overall Toronto needs a game changing centre start with Strome and their pick.
Franson will most likely sign for 5+ million for 5 or 6 years. If i'm the leafs I wouldn't want to sign him and it doesn't sound like they are going to try to. They view Franson as a decent second pairing guy that can play on the power play. On the Preds right now he is their fourth dman playing behind Weber, Jones, and Josi. In order to build a better team Toronto can't spend the kind of money a top pairing guy should get on a guy like Franson he's just not strong enough in his own end to be a top pairing guy.
Im a leafs fan so i'm obviously very happy with this trade this cap space could give us a lot of different options going forward so I really hope we don't waste it.
As for Nonis I hate that people are calling him a genius when he was the one that signed Clarkson to that contract. I understand that during that offseason there was a lot of pressure on Nonis to get a deal done but if you looked at Clarkson's stats before his breakout out year they weren't that great. They should have known they weren't getting a second line winger instead they were getting an aging bottom six type guy. Nonis is also really lucky he's on the richest team in the league or else he would have never had this option. All together I think Toronto needs to look for a gm that can take the pressure of being in Toronto and evaluate players better so they can avoid contracts like Phanuefs deal and so that they can avoid signing players like Clarkson in free agency.
I think if the rumors are true that Buffalo is interested in O'Reilly he would be a good starting point considering Colorado needs a lot of help on defence and Zadorov is a big guy that could hold up in the western conference.
Col - Ryan O'Reilly
Buf - Nikita Zadorov, Cody Hodgson, 2015 1st rd pick (not buffalos)
I think something like this would make sense for both teams. Hodgson played in Brampton with Duchene and they were scary good together. Hodgson is a lot better then how he is playing, Zadorov is a nice piece for colorado. The first adds good value.
Buffalo gets the player they apparently have been interested in.
Well despite getting the team wrong, and the major player in the deal wrong, and missing the first over all pick going the other way I guess you were close.
Habs will have a late first so they won't have a shot at that first group you named those are all guys being talked about in the top 15 at the latest. Zacha is the one I see dropping the most out of all of them I think someone is going to take rantanen early.
if their pick is in the same spot in the second round they won't get anderson either I think he goes with one of the early picks in the second round he has raised his stock a lot this year.