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13 Sep 2018 19:33:17
Eric Karlsson to SJS! Confirmed trade.

Thunder Turkey

1.) 13 Sep 2018 19:45:56
Hahaha oh man. I can't wait to see Rambo try and spin this.


2.) 13 Sep 2018 19:45:56
Sens get an additional 1st rounder in the deal of Karlsson plays for an eastern conference team this season lol love how they had to protect themselves after sharks already schooled them with Hoffman!

Not a bad haul tho.


3.) 13 Sep 2018 19:46:50
Definitely not Braden Point, Sergachev, 2 firsts and taking bobby Ryan with him tho, right Rambo?


4.) 13 Sep 2018 19:48:27
Karlsson for Norris+1st+2nd+Balcers+Tierney+DeMelo and conditional picks. that's a lot of pieces, but the big value lies in Norris, Balcers and the 1st. Tierney and Demelo are just fillers and a 2nd is a 2nd

Quite a step down from NBRs cries of ‘Boeser + Hughes + VANS 1st’. VANS 1 > SJS 1, Hughes >>>>> Norris and Boeser>>>>>>everything else.

lol @NBR wya now?


5.) 13 Sep 2018 20:08:05
Looks like they were going after Timo Meier and that didn't work out.
Also, the 1st is conditional - SJS has to make it to the finals or it goes to a 2nd i think.


6.) 13 Sep 2018 20:25:02
HAHAHAHAHAHA what was that Rambo? Hughes and two firsts or Boeser, Hughes and a first for Karlsson?!?! HAHA you’re clueless. You’re always so arrogant on here like you know everything yet every time you say a player will get this or get that he never does. You know nothing.


7.) 13 Sep 2018 20:31:12
I wonder is Rambone will ever comment on it or not.
Yet another homer absolutely wrong of his evaluations.
Colt and Shattenkirk was another classic.


8.) 13 Sep 2018 21:23:19
It's so funny they needed to throw that conditional pick in.

San Jose burned them on the Hoffman deal so now they have to cover their ass this time.


9.) 13 Sep 2018 21:24:33
Man Ottawa just has not had any luck with trades this year. Pretty brutal imo UNREAL for sharks.


10.) 13 Sep 2018 21:53:03
E. Kane and Karlsson are unreal additions.
Karlsson, Burns, Vlasic, Pavelski, Couture, Kane, Thornton.
****. They are the favorites in pacific no questions. And just jumped into the top of the league talks with Nashville, Winnipeg and Tampa.


11.) 13 Sep 2018 22:03:16
Awful trade for Ottawa. Quantity over quality by far. Not one high end prospect in return. Plus if you look at the Duschene trade and compare what they paid vs the return on Karlsson, it’s is completely awful value in return. Another bad move by Dorion. Not saying one of the prospects or picks turns out but that’s a lot of risk for an elite top pairing defenceman.


12.) 13 Sep 2018 23:28:45
Potentially it’s Norris, Tierney, Demelo Balcans, 3 1st rounders and 2nd.

However for the Senators to get that package, Sharks would have to sign him to an extension, trade him to an eastern Conference team at the deadline and then make the Stanley Cup final lol.


13.) 13 Sep 2018 23:56:32
We won’t hear from Rambo until he’s telling us what package Stone will bring in.


14.) 14 Sep 2018 00:04:26
Shattenkirk got a first a prospect and conditional pick.

That 1st pick turned into schenn. can't argue with those results.


15.) 14 Sep 2018 04:12:55
I said it superstars like Karlsson don’t actually bring much back because no matter what you get it’ll never amount up to what you gave up. Look at the Gretzky, Roy and Jagr trades none got back mush significans compared to what they were.


16.) 14 Sep 2018 12:17:18
Habs legit got a better return for Patch than Ottawa had for Carlson

Damn Sens got fleeced bigtime unless Karlesson doesn't resign in San Jose.


 

 

26 Jul 2018 21:48:22
Thought i would toss an idea out.
There was a post earlier about Panarin being traded to Toronto, but in the end - not really what Toronto is looking for.
What if you bring in Carolina? Panarin to Carolina, Caronina sends maybe Hanafin to Toronto and Columbus would receive Brown, Leivo, 2nd (toronto), 3rd (Car)...

Columbus gets a speedy young forward in brown, a depth forward (i think Leivo has good potential for a 3rd line) and a 1st and 3rd.
Toronto gets Hanafin on their blue line.
Carolina gets a great winger to help up front with the team. Carolina probably wants more...

Just a thought - dig in gents.

Thunder Turkey

1.) 27 Jul 2018 00:38:25
Hanfin is on Calargry.


2.) 27 Jul 2018 01:13:35
Hannifin was traded to Calgary.
That's not enough from Toronto for him anyways.


3.) 27 Jul 2018 02:00:51
U do know hanifin is a flame now...


4.) 27 Jul 2018 02:20:36
Hanafin no longer plays for Carolina.


5.) 27 Jul 2018 02:40:11
Should we bring in Calgary as well then?

Turkey.


6.) 27 Jul 2018 02:49:20
Hanifin plays for the flames my dude


7.) 27 Jul 2018 03:02:52
the idea of trading brown and leivo and picks for hanafin is a good one, from leafs perspective. although i'd trade kap over brown, i like brown.

too bad hanafin is on the flames though.


8.) 27 Jul 2018 03:11:41
Hey Turkey . Hanafin has been traded to the Flames .


9.) 27 Jul 2018 03:22:28
Hanifin is on Calgary already bud but I’ll continue with the proposal and I’d say easy no from Carolina.


10.) 27 Jul 2018 03:37:53
Hanifin went to Calgary in the douggie Hamilton trade. Even if you switched him for some other defender (pesce/ slavin come to mind) I don't think brown Leivo 2nd 3rd would be enough because defenders are valued at a premium. Also Panarin doesn't want to to resign in Carolina.


11.) 27 Jul 2018 19:13:36
Lol, i shouldn't post after i have been drinking.
Anyways, base of the idea was to bring in a 3rd team that would have some defense to put into the mix to send to Toronto and have a need for Panarin on the front end.


12.) 27 Jul 2018 19:40:21
How we gunna work Calgary in to get hanifin.


13.) 28 Jul 2018 07:41:14
Even if CAR still had Hanifin, no way Brown and Leivo get Hanifin lol.


 

 

23 Feb 2018 22:15:36
Brassard to the penguins for Ian Cole, Gustafson and a 1st. They are set down the middle again.

Thunder Turkey

1.) 23 Feb 2018 23:46:13
Trades been rejected by NHL because they tried having Vegas retain some money on it too with creative paperwork. Apparently it’s being revised.


2.) 24 Feb 2018 03:01:01
Its finalized now. I feel like the sens lost this trade. SMH dorion


3.) 24 Feb 2018 04:50:59
Are you insane? i am happy as a clam with that return. Great trade for the Sens.


4.) 24 Feb 2018 04:57:25
Or maybee every one was right about this being a sellers market. Grabner only got a second.


5.) 24 Feb 2018 05:25:14
It’s a great trade for the sens! Brassard is good and all but in what world does a team pay that price to get a third line center. three peat for the sens though?


6.) 24 Feb 2018 05:44:26
Pens** not sens haha.


7.) 24 Feb 2018 06:08:49
Pens have a chance to three-peat but Tampa and Nashville will both do something strong at deadline.
They will be hard to beat.


8.) 24 Feb 2018 06:33:51
Did Brassard jus go from a decent 2nd line Center to best 3rd line ctr in hockey? .
Good return by Dorion. More than I thought they would get.


9.) 24 Feb 2018 16:35:21
Unbiased Jim. rewird yoir entry to ". rejected by bettman. "

I'm pretty sure he has last say in everything, even if the board of governors out vote him.


 

 

13 Feb 2018 16:46:48
Not mine, just saw these and thought I would see what you guys think.

BUF:
E. Kane

STL:
1st 2019
2nd 2018
C J. Kyrou
__________________________

NYR:
R. Nash

BOS:
1st 2018
D J. Zboril
__________________________

DET:
D. Mike Green

TOR:
1st 2018
RW J. Leivo
D A. Borgman
__________________________

Thunder Turkey

1.) 13 Feb 2018 18:39:49
Sorry to burst your bubble. Darmstrong Stated he is not trading his top Prospects (Thomas, Kyrou, Kostin, ) Top rookies (Dunn, Thompson), Top draft picks (2018 2nd, 2019 1st) or Fabbri for a rental type deal.

Also out of all the guys that have been rumored to the blues. I would think Kane would be the least palatable player with his locker room BS, On ice BS and Personal BS. Besides the fact that he is cold as poo right now.


2.) 13 Feb 2018 18:42:45
If toronto wants Mike for that price I am down with it. Good deep draft this year Hopefully Kenny H and his team don't f this draft up plenty of good potential players. Hell I would be will to dump Nyquist, tatar, and a few others for as many picks in the top 93 picks this year.


3.) 13 Feb 2018 18:44:59
I can actually see all of them happening. not sure Green is what the Leafs need? I think they need more of a tough hard noses Dman. they have skill in Gardiner and Reilly. obviously Green wouldn't hurt em, but If Leafs could find an Intimidating Dman. (big hitter, crease clearer. ) . I think would help em out.


4.) 13 Feb 2018 19:16:55
If I were blues I’d hang up.
Leafs don’t need offense from the point, they need a real defender.
If I were Bruins I would be curious at that. I know where zboril was drafted but don’t know a lot more, so clearly depends how they view him. However that pick should be very late and the big heavy game bruins play could be a great fit for Nash. I think the east is as open as it has been in a long time for these playoffs and with the way they have been playing i think the Bruins should look to capitalize. Rask is playing the best he has in years, have one of, if not the best line the league and a lot of youth outperforming expectations. As a leaf fan, I don’t wanna see them get better. But if I were Sweeney, I’d be tempted for sure.


5.) 14 Feb 2018 00:44:45
Redwing, you saying old poo? Cause poo is fairly hot when it first comes out, clearify please.


6.) 14 Feb 2018 05:01:15
I'm sorry let's say cold as 5 week b old poo in Alberta on Christmas day.


7.) 14 Feb 2018 16:27:53
lol @ Colt, never change bud.


8.) 14 Feb 2018 16:31:51
#1 Acquiring Kane is a mistake. Too much trouble I would
never give that for a rental that's been nothing but
trouble his whole career.

#2 Overpayment for a rental, but Nash might have a bidding
war that nets this type of return in the end. You Could
be onto something with a realistic trade there.

#3 Looks like a good trade value wise, but I don't think the
leafs are in a cap position to take on Green's Salary
unless they move out another salary in another trade.


 

 

08 Feb 2018 20:44:06
Get ready to see some rangers on the move. Their recent release said to be ready to lose some familiar faces.

Thunder Turkey

1.) 08 Feb 2018 22:51:01
Although jus there a short time. see Smith was placed on Waivers. to bad he has 3 more years after this. I liked his toughness last year against our Canadiens.


2.) 09 Feb 2018 15:51:57
I agree, i was trying to think - did they do that so they can take a bad contract from somewhere else in a bid deal and keep him in the system for next year?


 

 

 

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18 Sep 2018 19:01:36
After seeing Braun post, i just read a great article on THW - Side Effects of the Eric Karlsson Trade. Really worth looking into and goes in depth regarding the SJS blue line and depth concerns up front.
Also reminded me that Burns used to play RW... doubt it would happen again, but does bring up some great questions.
Really do suggest checking out that article if you get a chance.

Thunder Turkey

1.) 18 Sep 2018 21:00:02
That is a good article and does it ever go into depth. It is exactly what I was thinking regarding SJ’s forward depth now. I think the only time you see Burns up front is on the PP. That is why I thought Kapanen or Brown might be something they’d be interested in, however it seems a center is what they need most. With Braun coming off his best season and Toronto’s need for a RD, the Sharks could probably get a steal for Braun. I understand not wanting to break up Braun/ Vlasic but as mentioned in the article, it may have to be something they explore. This same article could be written in reverse for the maple leafs. Did anyone (Sosa) notice the part that says, “When opportunity allows a team to bring in great talent, they need to do it. ”.


2.) 18 Sep 2018 21:31:12
Oh yeah, I saw that for sure. I think Braun would be a great addition to the Leafs, ideally for the 2nd line but would for sure be your 1RD for the time being. I think Kap would be a good starting point but i'm sure they would be asking for ++ after that. Kap, Leivo and Bracco? I think Bracco was drafted as a center but don't know how he has done since.


3.) 18 Sep 2018 23:53:22
Pavalski, Joe, Hertal and Couture is pretty good center depth of you ask me.


4.) 19 Sep 2018 04:15:41
Read the article vbb’s. It said that Hertl can also play center but he belongs on Couture’s wing because he was excellent there. We all know big Joe is slowing down and the article mentioned all the games missed between Thornton and Pavelski. You’re right Turkey, it would be Kapanen plus but I think it would be something both teams would consider.


5.) 19 Sep 2018 04:51:52
I don’t watch much Sharks at all so I could be wrong, but even if they are listed as centres don’t Pavelski and Hertl typically play on the wing?


6.) 19 Sep 2018 15:19:24
Your right jbs. The article goes into that. Also just the chemistry of their current defensive pairing being better than the sum of the two players - which i think has a big impact on the team as well as trade value. If the mix up Braun and keep him on the 3rd line they have an unbalanced team but also his stock is at risk of going down. If they try and move him now they might get a great return for him.
I think Toronto is a great trade partner as they are in a very similar predicament - great players but unbalanced - each on the opposite side of the scale.


 

 

11 Sep 2018 19:04:33
yzerman just stepped down as GM of TBL

Thunder Turkey

1.) 11 Sep 2018 20:34:49
Somethings not right in TB. I bet there will be a list of teams that would hire him in a second or even fire their GM now if they could hire him. Montreal, Edmonton, Ottawa and Vancouver should be begging him to take the controls of their floundering teams. He won't go to the Leafs as Shanny has his little puppet to do his bidding and Yzerman would be too much of a threat.


2.) 11 Sep 2018 20:58:58
I doubt it. If it was too hard for him in tampa coming to the leafs or habs probably wouldn't be a good idea.


3.) 11 Sep 2018 21:07:28
I don't think he speaks French, so Habs are out. is there maybe something for him in Detroit?


4.) 11 Sep 2018 21:09:50
The reason he stepped down is because he wanted to spend more time at home and have more a family life. He really liked his extension and contract but felt he didn't want to take he owners money without being about to give it his all. And he felt at this point in his life he wanted more family time. That's all I've read.

A side rumor is that he still has a house and spends some time in Detroit.


5.) 11 Sep 2018 21:17:16
Literally every team should be attempting to fire their GM and try to hire Steve Y.

Weird tho. He did real well in Tampa.

One thing I may see tho, he originally wanted to become GM/ Successor for the Red Wings, maybe he sees a plan of rebuilding in place with Holland [Zadina, Veleno], and thus wants to try and start with them? Idk. that wouldn't be from a business perspective but simply from a personal love for a city.


6.) 11 Sep 2018 21:19:29
Also @IJ, you real calling Dubas a 'little puppet'? Lol. Shanahan has his say, and if Dubas wasn't in the cards would sure take Yzerman as GM. Yzerman and Shanny are friends as well, they played together in Detroit. Really though, Dubas ain't a puppet - Shanahan came to Toronto to tear the team apart and rebuild it. The majority of the work came from Dubas/ Hunter/ Lou, not Shanny.


7.) 11 Sep 2018 22:59:50
Islandjet is a tool top shelf. All he does is criticizes every team other than the mighty jets.


8.) 11 Sep 2018 23:56:29
Maybe Seattle has spoken to him.


9.) 12 Sep 2018 05:21:34
I could see him taking a few years off with some
Solid family time. And maybe in a few years being the GM in Detriot. My guess.


10.) 12 Sep 2018 13:08:25
He wants to be home with his family. If you look at the signs this wasn’t a sudden decision. I also heard he had an extension he liked but at this point in his life it’s a quality of life decision nothing to do with tensions etc within the Lightning. I think it’s almost been decided already he’ll be in the redwings org by next year. I think it’s redwings, which is his home, or bust. No reason for him to leave Tampa for any other team really.


11.) 12 Sep 2018 15:56:12
He has one year left on his contract and will take an advisory role for this season to not have to travel as much to spend more family time.


12.) 12 Sep 2018 16:09:20
Dreger last night said, and just using his common sense and speculating, that yzerman could work as an advisor to Brisebois this year from his home in Detroit and wait Holland’s next move. Holland has 2 years left but there has been atleast some talk that Seattle ownership group would have a lot of interest one ken Holland running their team, whether it be GM or in a President role. If that’s the case, yzerman would be a very easy choice to take over Detroit next season because Holland would have to step down and start preparing for Seattle. Again, no facts or guarantees but it made a lot of sense as I was listening to it.


13.) 12 Sep 2018 22:58:51
I’ll keep the young up coming analytical presence in Dubas over Yzerman. Why fix something that isn’t broken? -directed towards top shelf.


 

 

28 Aug 2018 20:58:55
A year after the trade, and I'm really upset to see Sergachev gone... so... what would it take to undo the trade? I know it's not realistic, but thought it kinda funny.

Druin +? or Druin ++? Any thoughts? lol. Bergavin is such a POS.

Thunder Turkey

1.) 29 Aug 2018 00:02:47
Do you think serg puts up 40 points in montreal last year?


2.) 29 Aug 2018 00:04:43
It wouldn’t be undone because Tampa would rather the younger cheaper Dman. But it would take a massive overpayment for them to consider anything. I like Drouin, very skilled and was glad to see him get a decent contract and a chance to play because I felt bad for him. He was being held back in Tampa because he was drafted to a great team, while all the guys drafted around him (mackinnon, barkov, Jones) went to softer teams, got good ice time and put in good situations and were already being paid and building their careers. In saying that, I think habs lost the trade because of sentimental reasons. I don’t believe for a second they didn’t pay a bit more than they would have if Drouin didn’t speak French and wasn’t from Quebec. And that’s fine, that’s a good story and something for fans to celebrate. But his value to anyone else will never reflect that again.


3.) 29 Aug 2018 01:09:26
Drouin and a second forsure. probabaly more.

I'm not happy bout it either., however, Its still better than the PK trade. and I think the Galchenyuk one. I'm going to give Drouin ome more year to prove himself before I get to critical. really just wish Habs management and coaches, would let wingers be wingers and centermen be centermen.
It's getting old. this mismanagement of players.


4.) 29 Aug 2018 06:23:26
Drouin sucks weber sucks price sucks julien sucks pacioretty sucks but yeah your right man it's all bergevins fault. I mean price was the best goalie I. The world before last season now he's the worst. Weber was a top 10 dman now he isn't even in the top 30 pacioretty was a 35 goal scorer now he's a 17 goal scorer. He offered radulov the same deal he signed in Dallas he let an aging markov go instead of signing him to a multiple year contract to watch him float and suck for another 2 or 3 years like he did in the 2nd half of the season In the khl last year. And like he did every playoff for the habs. What do you think sergachev and subban get this team into the playoffs last year? Don't make me laugh, only thing would have changed is we would have drafted barret hayton instead of kotkaniemi.


5.) 29 Aug 2018 06:24:09
That's if there was even an improvement at all which I doubt.


6.) 29 Aug 2018 21:58:59
@Habby, I get that a lot of things out of Bergevins control went wrong last year, like injuries to a star goalie and stud Dman and your best forward having a really uncharacteristicly bad year. And I agree that the team wouldn’t have been far better last season with subban and Serg over Weber and Drouin. But that’s Last year. Those trades will affect them for a long time still. You’re right that Bergevin isn’t to blame for all that’s bad in Montreal, but he definitely had a hand in it too, right?


7.) 29 Aug 2018 22:03:50
A bad year is a bad year and you look to the future and move on, but other habs fans are saying it would be a lot easier to look up and move forward with the younger players with more potential that they have given away than what they have. If he gave up top end youth and made the team better today, then that’s what GMs do, but when he has given up the younger and higher potential players in the deals and the team is still no better today and could be worse for it down the road, I can see Sosa and Thunders beef and frustration.


8.) 30 Aug 2018 03:47:12
Yes but jim habs fans always need someone to blame is my point. I mean bergevin can't go out there and score 35 goals for patches or make a save for price or do surgery on weber. If you guys had no matthews no reily and no anderson last year you probably don't make the playoffs either. That's not trying to compare talent but just the fact our best fòrward our best dman and our number one goalie were each injured or sucked last year.


9.) 30 Aug 2018 03:54:58
Habs fans have to realize it is isn't the sam pollack days when we had an inside track on every Quebec born player and we could trade veteran players to get the 1st overall pick to draft them. things are harder now. and every Gm makes moves that look bad on the surface. i mean if weber comes back and gives us 3 or 4 more years of what he did the season he wasn't injured I'm not regretting that trade. Also I think we can all agree drouin at least has the potential to score 70 points a year and if he does I couldn't care less what sergachev does. Habs fans are already condemning that trade but they are not smart enough to realize drouin was put in a hortible situation with having to try and be a top line center while serg possibly played the most sheltered minutes in the nhl this year with zero pressure. Give a some time man.


10.) 30 Aug 2018 04:02:47
Do you guys actually know the biggest reason they aquired shea weber?


11.) 30 Aug 2018 13:35:13
I agree with all that actually. And when you say Drouin could score 70, I’d be shocked if he doesn’t to be honest. And saying he was put in a bad situation to be a number one Center is exactly right too. But isn’t that Bergevins fault? He’s never acquired a true centreman, and used his best assets (Serg, Galchenyuk) to get wingers who the coaching staff is then forced to play center. I agree people may blame Bergevin for more than what is actually his fault, but it’s like you’re giving him a pass on what is his fault. Somewhere in between is probably fair. I don’t blame price or Weber, injuries happen. Patches just didn’t play well, it happens to every player at some point, but I don’t know who else besides him you can blame for that. But coaches having to use wingers as centres is not the coaches or the players fault.


12.) 30 Aug 2018 15:13:10
I'm happy with Weber, one of my favorite players! But as Jim said. you can only put out so many lines when all you bring in is wingers. Hopefully our draft picks this year pan out. My biggest issue was bringing in Drouin to play center. If he was on the wing i would be happy, but it didn't happen. The previous season, Chucky started at center and had an amazing go at it before his injury. Why didn't they try Drouin on his wing and see where that takes them. Our weakest positions are defense and center and they are not being addressed.


13.) 30 Aug 2018 16:14:30
I blame coaching just as much. like I said. put the centermen, at Center, put Wingers at wing. and Habby, I said mismanaged., meaning more on the ice, however I am critical of Bergevin. it seems to be that he is in the losing end if the big deals. he has done well with some moves forsure. like Danault . I think Armia deal was good, as was the Plekanec deal.
To me. his biggest brainfart . Bringing back Julien. I cannot stand to listen to his post game interviews, where after every loss. he says. " We did a lot of good things out there. ". drives me mad.


14.) 30 Aug 2018 16:19:13
Yeah. We lucked out by getting matthews, but before that we went like 8 years without a true #1 centreman, since Sundin left. Bozak was a natural centreman atleast, but not a real #1. But I can’t blame Wilson, Carlyle or Babcock for using him as one because management never got them one. Same with Phaneuf as a #1 Dman. He isn’t one. But until management found one, that’s what the coaches were given to work with and did their best. I feel the Habs coaches have been going through the same thing with their center situation except instead of just using less qualified centres, they’ve had to have guys play a position they don’t even naturally play. That’s not on them.


15.) 30 Aug 2018 16:30:20
Most of what you say is right jim but the habs had real good teams a few years ago with desharnais as the number 1 center. So yes it's great to have strength down the middle but it's not everything. and what number one center does sergachev get last year? I don't know of one. He drafted galchenyuk to be a number one center and it never happened and I sure hope you don't think he could have been traded for one. With regards to claude julien he wouldn't have been my choice either but the coach has to be French in montreal it's been like that forever so you can't blame bergevin for that either. before julien cam to montreal he was considered one of the best 3 or 4 coaches in the league.


16.) 30 Aug 2018 16:39:03
Also he tried to get tavares and pretty much every other center that has been availible so it's not like he hasn't tried to get one. The fact of the matter is when the habs made the conf finals a few years back 95% of habs fans and a large portion of other fans thought they were a cup contender. I personally did not and said numerous times even on here that they should have blowed it up then. but molson and bergevin both thought they were and assumed by tweaking the lineup they would improve there chances but something happened during the process the core group got worst every year. And the players that were added were not good enough to take over. Bergevins only downfall was he showed too much loyalty to certain players at a point when he could have traded them for a bundle. he also gave radulov a deal to come back which was more then anyone else offered and showed him loyalty by not forcing him to talk contract during the season and see where that got him. Do you remember his comment last summer if you want loyalty go buy a dog. I hope he keeps that opinion ánd if he does the habs will be just fine.


17.) 30 Aug 2018 18:22:13
Jim you know all about the media. being in one of the top 2 hockey cites in the world. But I can tell you this there is no media as bad as montreal when they start to have some kind of vendetta against a certain player or person. Brendan Kelly who I guess has somewhat taking the reins from red fisher is one of the worst and has a huge audience now because he's working for the gazette. sometimes fisher was a bit outspoken but most times he had a reason to be. This Kelly guy it seems is just trying his best to ruin the organization. And there are 50 more doing the same thing. Most of them who last year wanted to do a rebuild are now complaining that they won't make the playoffs this year.


18.) 30 Aug 2018 19:38:13
I get ya. It’s similar here. Media and fans (even good friends of mine) complained the leafs sucked and wanted a full rebuild. Then shanahan came in and blew it up and by like 20 games into the season I had to watch the games alone, because I couldn’t handle people whining about how crap they were throughout the whole game and pointing out every mistake. I was like “this is what we wanted! What we all asked for! ” 5 years of asking for it and they wanted to abort it in 2 months lol

And as for a number one centre available, I’m not sure exactly who they could have got but I rememeber the reason Ottawa got Duchene instead of Montreal was that Bergevin refused to trade sergachev in the deal. And that’s fine if he felt he was too valuble to include. But then months later he traded him for a winger. That’s all I was saying. Not saying Duchene would make them far better either but he is a legit centerman. But he’s not from Quebec. I don’t know if that’s ownerships doing, Bergevins doing or both, but it hurts them. It’s 2018, it’s a lot smaller world than it used to be and making choices based on background instead of talent/ position/ fit etc is asking for failure.


19.) 31 Aug 2018 00:33:44
Jim although it's never been told to us I like to assume they knew duchene probably wouldn't have signed an extension here when his contract was up and they knew drouin would. On top of that I know drouin struggled last year but I still take him over duchene. so I can't fault bergevin for passing up that deal either. If he ever actually had the chance. the Quebec thing is a little blown out proportion IMO. I think it's only common sense to think some players want to play in there home town or province. You guys saw that this summer with tavares. Does he sign with the leafs if he wasn't a hometown boy? Probably not.


20.) 31 Aug 2018 06:39:53
Habby guys wanting to sign in their hometown and management picking guys because of their background is a big difference.


21.) 31 Aug 2018 13:34:36
Not when there wasn't a true number 1 center to be had there isn't.


22.) 31 Aug 2018 15:41:51
I’m really interested in what you see in Barett Hayton? Also the Canadians definitely need a cultural change and letting Bergivan go is the best way.


23.) 31 Aug 2018 15:50:46
That's your opinion vbbb. I see barrett hayton as being the 2nd best center prospect in the last draft. anything else your interested in?


24.) 31 Aug 2018 17:17:09
I agree with leafs17 on that. Players doing it and management doing it is different.

But Habby makes a good point. I do remember as a leafs fan when Burkie chose position over talent and it still hurts lol we were trading Kaberle to Boston for 24 year old Blake Wheeler and a 1st rounder. Burke said we needed a big #1 Centre prospect instead of a winger and chose 21 year old Joe Colborne and a 1st. Wheeler was traded to Atlanta Later the same day and the rest is history lol.


25.) 31 Aug 2018 21:23:21
I know what you mean leafs 17 but I assumed it was drouin we were talking about and he pretty much had a new contract signed here before he even landed. so again I'm just assuming but I think he wanted to be here.


26.) 31 Aug 2018 23:25:18
Let's just keep listening to those very credible media sources who condemn bergevin and molson on daily basis with B. S stories. Don't pay attention to the ones like luc robaitaille saying bergevin wasn't as eager to trade pacioretty as they were to aquire him. Or the one where pacioretty has asked to be traded and that it wasn't the first season he did. Media in montreal are as bad as they were in the 90s. Like the time they flash photoed koivu when he was in a hospital bed suffering from an eye injury and nearly blinded him. There are like 5 good hockey writers out of about 300 in that province the rest are complete and total persons and if you listen or believe anything they say then don't expect to be taken serious by those who know the difference. That's not to say any of you do I'm just speaking to those stupid hab fans that do.


27.) 01 Sep 2018 00:28:09
Who’s the best C prospect then? And it’s not really an opinion it’s common sense barginbin is terrible.


28.) 01 Sep 2018 02:23:58
These posts are totally not in the order they were posted lol.


29.) 01 Sep 2018 05:20:51
Jesperi kotkaniemi is the best center prospect from last years draft. That's common sense now before you get tore a new one again just buzz off and stop looking for a fight you have no chance of winning.


30.) 01 Sep 2018 16:29:59
Haha. Awesome.


31.) 02 Sep 2018 06:59:12
You litterly said you’re upset the Canadians didn’t take Barett Hayton but you say Jesperi Kotokaniemi is the better prospect so why wouldn’t you draft him? Uhh what.


32.) 02 Sep 2018 15:11:14
When did I literally say that. Read the whole thread again and this time read what is actually said instead of what you want to see. I said if we had serg and subban last year instead of drouin and weber the only difference it would have made was we probably draft hayton instead of kotkaniemi. meaning for those who can't figure it out on there own is we might have improve by a couple wins and drafted 5th or 6th instead of 3rd. I also added that we probably don't improve at all which is what I think. How is that me saying I'd rather hayton. ( cause I most certainly would not)


33.) 02 Sep 2018 16:19:54
Ohh I misread that my apologies.


34.) 02 Sep 2018 16:21:24
And you’re right Bergivan is a great gm he’ll lead the Canadians to a dynasty never lose faith in him because he’s the best.


35.) 03 Sep 2018 00:02:30
We'll I thought I had a chance of being right vbbb until you gave your opinion but now I accept that I'm wrong because you are the guy that said " everything I have said turned out to be true" so I guess when I'm wondering about something I'll just ask you. So in the meantime you don't have to keep checking on me when I need to know the future I'll message ya.


36.) 03 Sep 2018 15:07:49
Okay just let me know.


 

 

01 Aug 2018 15:39:26
Sounds like the arbitration situations in Ottawa are looking a little rough. $2.6m difference in Cici and $4m difference in Stone.

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1.) 01 Aug 2018 23:11:20
after ek leaves stone will be the face of the franchise. ottawa offering 5m in arbitration is a slap in the face to this guy. the sens are a mess, i feel bad for their fans. melnyk should sell the team.

his ask of 9 is high, but i don't see why he's not an 7-8m dollar player in todays nhl.


2.) 02 Aug 2018 05:17:38
Stone asks for 9mil so Ottawa says 5mil they both know the arbitrator will decide somewhere in the middle. It's not a slap in the face it's just part of a negotiation. He will get somewhere between 7 and 8. I'm thinking 7.5 exactly as that will be right down the middle. Seems like that's the way it goes lately.


3.) 02 Aug 2018 05:18:21
Sorry I meant 7mil down the middle.


4.) 02 Aug 2018 14:05:12
7-7.5 is probably what it will be. Although I’d argue if evander Kane got $7 mill, stone is worth more. Difference is UFA vs RFA though. Whatever he gets awarded, he’s going to walk himself right into UFA and then get paid big. And probably ask for more to stay in Ottawa than go elsewhere just because of situation. He will have limited cast around him and be agreeing to wait a few years for a chance to win.


 

 

25 Jun 2018 16:29:21
Any votes for who had the best draft? I'm really leaning toward Detroit and NYI right now.

Thunder Turkey

1.) 25 Jun 2018 19:27:51
NYI getting Wahlstrom and Dobson at 11/ 12 was so good for them.
I had those two in my top ten.
I didn't have Arizona, Vancouver and NYRs picks in my top ten.
Detriot getting Zadina was very good.
Very surprised Arizona took a center instead of Zadina tho, a scoring winger like Zadina is just what Arizona needs not another center after saying they traded for Galchenyuk to play center. Stepan-Galchenyuk-Strome- Dvorak. Now Hayton (I think) . Strange pick to me.


2.) 26 Jun 2018 11:19:47
Chayka said u don’t trade for #1 centres you ha e to draft them and develop them so my guessing is the coyotes scouting staff are really high on him and they think he has first line potential.


 

 

 

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