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03 Aug 2018 14:51:27
Buffalo Sabres Lineup:

Jeff Skinner - Jack Eichel - Sam Reinhart
Connor Sheary - Casey Mittelstadt - Kyle Okposo
Alexander Nylander/ Scott Wilson - Patrick Berglund - Evan Rodrigues
Vladimir Sobotka - Zemgus Girgensons - Tage Thompson
**Danny O’Regan, CJ Smith

Rasmus Dahlin - Rasmus Ristolainen
Marco Scandella - Lawrence Pilut
Nathan Beaulieu - Jake McCabe
*Matt Hunwick

Trade Bait: Jason Pominville, Johan Larsson, Zach Bogosian, Casey Nelson, Nic Baptiste, Matt Moulson.

I think that BUF should package all of these pieces together (or a majority of them) to alleviate cap and allow these players to have places to play.

(RW) Jason Pominville + (LW) Johan Larsson + (D) Zach Bogosian + (LW) Nic Baptiste to the Vegas Golden Knights in exchange for (D) Jon Merrill + (RW/ IR) David Clarkson + (G) Oscar Dansk + 2020 2nd Round Pick + 2019 3rd Round Pick.

Pominville >> Clarkson (Even though Clarkson counts towards IR)
Bogosian > Merrill (Main idea here is to get rid of Bogosians Contract, despite Bogo being better)
Larsson/ Baptiste.


1.) 03 Aug 2018 16:03:27
Lines aren’t bad really don’t think Dahlin will start to year on the 1st pair that’d be a huge mistake he’s 18 and not ready for top pairing minutes and I feel like Tage Thompson will be a little bit higher in the lineup.

2.) 03 Aug 2018 21:59:33
You’re right vbb, you know the disagrees are just Habby lol you could say Montreal is in the province of Quebec and he’s going to disagree with you. His time of the month.

But yeah a lot for buffalo this year depends on goaltending obviously. I like ROR and thought they would be worse without him but after seeing how much they got for him and how little they just gave up for skinner, I’m impressed. Going to be a lot more competitive than I expected, that’s for sure. If Hutton is as good this year as he’s shown in spurts last year, they should might battle for a wild card, or atleast play some meaningful games after February.

3.) 03 Aug 2018 22:35:41
Yeah I agree but I’m not very confident that Huton can effectively handle the workload as a starter but time will tell I think in a few years they’ll start to become a top team as Dahlen and their future draft picks develope.

4.) 03 Aug 2018 22:38:54
I only disagree to your post jim. I'd appreciate if you stopped the name drops lol. If you got to use my name in your posts to make them better then really what does that say about you lol. i actually agree with vbbb here which is somewhat rare lately.

5.) 04 Aug 2018 15:00:22
Hard to say where they put dahlin. Probably depends on preseason if it's first or second pair. Some players thrive on being thrown into the deep end.

6.) 05 Aug 2018 05:09:53
Habby, you click disagree on mine 5 times and agree on yours 5 times lol who’s the one that needs help? Again, I don’t relate my self worth to this, have a full life outside. Keep livin the dream kid.

7.) 05 Aug 2018 05:16:35
Jim what makes you think I do that. are you so sure your right all the time that other people can't hit the disagree button on your post. So it must be me cause heaven forbid someone else disagree with you. and I ain't no kid big boy I've seen my team win a few cups and on it was on a colour tv too.

8.) 06 Aug 2018 20:40:28
Because you’re the only response after most of mine with all the unbelievables, and as pkane pointed out on the last page, after you and I argued, there’s even unbelievables on the confirmed trade i posted lol has you written all over it.

I’ve told you this before, I don’t measure my self worth in your responses. You need to click believable on your own and unbelievable on people you don’t like to make yourself feel superior. Nothing I can do to stop you, and I wouldn’t anyway. You clearly need that in your life. Mines real good man.

9.) 06 Aug 2018 21:43:25
So like my reply above this one which had 0 disagrees the last 2 days and 10 minutes after you came back on here today mysteriously had 3 . hmmmmmmm what do you think went on there jim?

10.) 06 Aug 2018 21:44:49
The level of your paranoia is getting close to the level of your bias. We'll not really but you know what I mean.

11.) 07 Aug 2018 00:01:01
I click agree or disagree once lol I haven’t done more than one.

12.) 07 Aug 2018 05:45:46
Yeah ok jim. Cause you said it then it must be fact lol.

13.) 07 Aug 2018 12:45:40
Okay. Sabres didn't trade for Jeff skinner. I made that up lol.

14.) 07 Aug 2018 15:25:06
I didn't click disagree on that. I had posted the same trade before you why would I disagree. Stop playing the victim man.



01 Aug 2018 12:47:48
A more realistic idea:

(LW) Mikkel Boedker to the Edmonton Oilers in exchange for (D) Kris Russell.

- Edmonton could use speedy wingers. Boedker is exactly that. Maybe he revitalizes alongside McDavid. Russell is extra as a DFD with Larsson and Nurse there as better versions of that.
- Ottawa is looking at trading EK. If they do, their blueline will be led by Chabot and Ceci. They could use more help. Russell could be a good mentor for Chabot too and could be a replacement for Methot,


1.) 01 Aug 2018 13:43:48
if they trade Russell for a winger they create a big hole on D and then rely on a rookie and Benning full time. I would trade for Boadker, but I would trade a winger and a draft pick for him, not Russell. Russell is the only leftie who can play right side well with only Larsson and Benning being righties.
Nurse Larson
Klefbom Russell
Sekera Benning.

2.) 01 Aug 2018 14:06:29
I don’t think it’s bad, makes sense with how you described it but I think Edmonton might have to add a bit. Just because I can’t see Ottawa trading the biggest piece of the hoffman deal so quick without getting prospects and/ or picks while being able to justify it to fans.

3.) 01 Aug 2018 15:30:51
If trading Russel leaves a hole on D, you've got bigger problems.

4.) 01 Aug 2018 22:42:42
Oil signed Reider and now have Aberg so I don’t think Boedker is much of a need right now but I would’ve been all over that last season. But as far as losing Russell they could easily sign someone to eat some minutes. Benning was definitely more effective on the third pairing but signing a bottom pairing vet could still work. And I don’t think they’ll make a major trade now that Bouchard is in the system. Also I can see them wanting to save face in a sense but Boedker has little to no value.

5.) 01 Aug 2018 22:58:25

Thats also nearly 20 million tied into your d, with Nurse needing pay. Russell>Selera so Ottawa wouldn't take Sekera, and the others are better. You guys need to acquire some help on the wing without depleting your wings further, and I think Russell is the right way to go. And @unsportsmanlike is right 100%. Lol.

6.) 01 Aug 2018 23:17:46
I’m no oilers fan but why does everyone think if a winger is traded there Mcdavid would “revitalize him” would Mikkel Boedker really play 1st line? If that’s the case then take every 37 point player from last yr and trade them to Edmonton and they will be all stars.

7.) 02 Aug 2018 04:53:52
@madeindade28 I didn’t watch all of there games but Boedker had some chemistry with Draisaitl on team Europe during the World Cup or whatever it was called. Again I haven’t watched a ton of Boedker but he plays a similar north south speed game to Hall, who had good chemistry with Draisaitl.



30 Jul 2018 11:46:24
Weird, Unrealistic Idea:

(RW) William Nylander + (LD) Jake Gardiner to the St. Louis Blues in exchange for (RD) Colton Parayko + (C/ W) Robby Fabbri.

Idk. I’d have a real hard time parting with Nylander, but a return of Parayko is absolutely solid. He’s exactly what Toronto needs. And St. Louis could use a winger to play behind Tarasenko and Willy can also play centre if Schenn takes a step back.

Gardiner and Fabbri are added since Parayko for Nylander is onesided for the Leafs imo, so Gardiner balances the deal out as St. Louis gets a replacement d on the offside. However, Gardiner and Nylander for Colt alone seems unfair, so Fabbri is added as a replacement for Nylander. Fabbris lost a lot of value after his injuries and can bounce back in TO imo.

Zach Hyman - John Tavares - Mitch Marner
Patrick Marleau - Auston Matthews - Robby Fabbri
Andreas Johnsson - Nazem Kadri - Kasperi Kapanen
Tyler Ennis - Par Lindholm - Connor Brown

Morgan Rielly - Colton Parayko
Travis Dermott - Nikita Zaitsev
Connor Carrick - Ron Hainsey.


1.) 30 Jul 2018 13:52:54
But value wise Parayko > Nylander even if Gardiner = Fabri which I think Fabri has a little more value than Gardiner straight up as well.
Blue decline, easily. Take out Fabri and I don't think I would even part ways with Parayko.

2.) 30 Jul 2018 13:54:21
I don't get this trade

Parayko> Nylander

Fabbri> Gardiner

How is this fair for St Louis. Ok you're going to say Fabbri is fragile fair enough. But once he's says healthy he's going to be a 50+ point player that's not even 23 yet. So yes he's worth more then Gardiner.

3.) 30 Jul 2018 14:11:24
Colt, so a 50 point forward is worth more than a 50 point dman? Your argument seems way off.

4.) 30 Jul 2018 14:24:42
I think it’s close. I would understand people saying Gardiner and Fabbri being added doesn’t make up for the gap between Nylander and parayko. That’s fair to say. But a guy that you hope can one day be a 50 pt player is not more valuable than a 27 year old top 4 d that QBs a PP and puts up 50+ pts while making $4mill lol that’s like me saying Connor Brown had 20 goals and I hope he could reach 45-50 pts so the Hurricanes would need to add in a Brown for Faulk deal haha that’s dumb.

5.) 30 Jul 2018 15:23:21
lets break this down a bit
Parayko 5.5 mil 4 years
fabbri 925k 1 year then rfa

Gardnier 4.05Mil 1 year UFA
Nylander notsigned rfa

parayko >> Nylander
Parayko >> Gardnier

Fabbri >Gardnier (contract rfa control)
Nylander > Fabbri

Blues are at the cap and need to sign Schmaltz. Taking on Gardnier and Nylander would be impossible. Also Blues do not have a RHD able to take Paraykos mins (24 a night) Gardnier is LHD and we already have Edmondson, Dunn, Jaybo, Gunner. SO not a positional need. Also with blues getting ROR, Perron, Bozak, Maroon and with Thomas and Kyrou coming up they are set on wingers. Maybee before the ror trade but not now. Just doesn't make sense.

6.) 30 Jul 2018 16:20:22
Agree with redwing aside from the fact that Gardiner.

7.) 30 Jul 2018 16:47:39
Really guys? Fabbri => Gardiner? Cmon. He was a 50 point dman last year. No way you can say a guy who has a career high of 37 points and missed all of last year is better. And if Gardiner was going to design, I think it’s close. Parayko > Nylander yes, but I do think Gardiners gap if resigned over Fabri makes up. Add a 2nd or so if so needed. Nylander has 70 pt potential.

8.) 30 Jul 2018 18:12:01
Fabbri is making 925k and is RFA after this year we need his ELC status till Jaybo and Gunner are gone freeing up 8.3 mil. plus 4-6 million in dead weight.

Gardnier is going to want more money, And he is LHD. We have 4 LHD currently Edmondson, Vince Dunn, Jaybo, Gunner. We don't need Gardnier. Blues also have Jake walman and a few others in the waiting to get into the nhl and they are entry level.

This trade doesn't make sense. Blues are set all their weaknesses, (goalie RW) are going to be filled internally by thomasKyrou Kostin Husso Fitzpatrick Binnginton, Peronovich, Bokk, Wallman.

They will all be on elcs and rfa status. they also have depth players power forward like players in Nolan Stevens and Eric Foley.

9.) 30 Jul 2018 19:03:53
I’m not saying blues need Gardiner or blues do the deal. All I’m saying is calling Fabbri better than Gardiner shows that it’s just a personal bias, not reality. Again, it’s the brown over Faulk thing.

10.) 30 Jul 2018 21:37:52
No Jim it shows value and teams needs considerations.

Fabbri was on pace and predicted to be as good as Nylander his first year he scored 18 goals as a 19 year old rookie and in 10 less games. he was hendered by his knee injury but i would say has the highest bust / ceiling differential in the league for 925k due to his knee. On top of that Blues do not Need UFA LHD, the notion that people keep putting around him, " oh you can sign him the following year", is personic, We could just sign him the following offseason, but we don't need him. As for nylander great player a little soft but great player. I am tired of hearing about potential if nylander is 30 goal 70 poiny player then parayko is 15 goal 60 point dman, right.

Any way if you take into accoutn team needs. Capp issues, Cam contract control Blues are better of the way they are and that is not Bias that's the truth.

11.) 30 Jul 2018 23:38:30
Value is there but blues have no reason to trade Parayko when their forward core included ROR, Tarasenko, Schwartz, steen, Bozak, Schenn and have guys like kyrou and Thompson ready to make the jump to the NHL. Like i said value is there but the motivation or need isn’t there.

12.) 30 Jul 2018 23:56:04
For the record, because people always seem to read-to-respond instead of read-to-understand.
I said I believe Fabbri has more value than Gardiner straight up. Just value wise with all things considered as redwing pointed out.

13.) 30 Jul 2018 23:57:35
For some reason., I think at the end of all there careers. Nylander maybe the best outta him Mathews and Marner. you have Tavares., so shop the American. and get a good ridiculous return, then the Leafs will win a cup. .
Go get OEL.

14.) 31 Jul 2018 01:13:23
Mathews is much better then Tavares and it’s not even close Mathews is better offensively and defensively Mathews is miles better he makes Tavares look like a PeeWee player in comparison Mathews is the best defensive forward sense Bergeron. Also Tavares has played for 7 more season and still hasn’t eclipsed Mathews totals. Mathews is atleast two tiers better.

15.) 31 Jul 2018 05:35:36
Mathews isn't as good as Tavares. VB. he may be down the road., but not at this point in his career. Ya he had a better goal scoring season. so what. Ovechkin gets more than anyone, however there are a couple dozen players in league better than him.
So get rid of the American, send him to Phoenix, get OEL and some pieces. Mathews is a hot commodity. m so get a complete team and win a cup.
Leafs went win with what they have now. Tampa is still the Superior team.

16.) 31 Jul 2018 06:17:24
Ovechkin is a winger, not great defensively huge difference. Please tell me how Tavares>Mathews teach me your expertise because apparently you know more then every TSN panellist and ALMOST every hockey writer.

17.) 31 Jul 2018 06:41:35
Lol. well some of em are pretty dumb. tsn guys.

Anyway. when Mathews can sustain a few years of being a star, and make others arounf him better, like Tavares, I will concede he may be the better player. however. he's not there yet. I'm jus saying, no way these guys are in same level as Tampa, close. but why not get there.

18.) 31 Jul 2018 13:50:22
Lol that’s like the 3rd time in the last cpl weeks a habs fan has said leafs should trade Matthews and sound serious. It’s funny because a true #1 centre is a Unicorn to you guys and we have 2. Stop the jealousy, worry about fixing the train wreck in Montreal instead of trying to justify us trading a 20 year old point per game centre, with size, a 200 ft game, lethal goal scorer, good faceoffs and great chemistry with his teammates lol absolutely no point to move that guy. Oilers should trade Mcdavid for D help because I Believe draisatl will have better numbers after 15 years, see how dumb that is?

19.) 31 Jul 2018 14:14:04
Leafs will not trade Mathews.

20.) 31 Jul 2018 13:54:50
Nylander is arguably the 6th best player on the leafs. Just because he’s better than your best in Montreal doesn’t mean he’s going to have a better career than a Matthews or Marner lol

1) Matthews
2) Tavares
3) Marner
Rielly/ Nylander/ Kadri (any order of these Guys at 4, 5 and 6 could be argued)

21.) 31 Jul 2018 17:59:21
And that’s just skaters, doesn’t factor in Freddy Andersen who was 4th in Vezina voting.

22.) 31 Jul 2018 21:08:48
Ya really think I'm jealous Jim? I was stating my opinion on the 3 Kids. I feel Nylander could be the better of em. fine trade him.
I would love to see the Leafs win a cup., all I have been trying to say is I don't think they have the team yet to do it. So, with 2 number one centers. both Franchise guys. why not sell one of em for top $. you could get a Stud Dman. and maybe even have a dynasty.

Leafs are close. but I feel they need more D.
As for my team. ya it's a wreck. It reminds me of the Leafs of the 80s, is what it is. Until the philosophy of having to have French Canadian coaches and GMs is put to rest and just have the best man for the job. will be for years to come.

23.) 31 Jul 2018 23:03:16
Look at the last few cups. Crosby/ Malkin twice and backstrom/ kuznetsov. You’re right Sosa, 2 top centres is not the path to success. It was Ron Hainsey and Justin Schultz playing top pair that won the cup for the penguins in 2016, I forgot.

24.) 31 Jul 2018 23:29:56
And You just said you’re sick of the habs only wanting French people on the organization, then why keep referring to Auston Matthews as ‘the amerocan’?! Because I don’t care where a guy is born or what jersey he wears internationally, as long as he pours his heart out for the leafs from October to June. Just seems pretty hypocritical. .

25.) 01 Aug 2018 00:43:28
The leafs trading Mathews would be like the Canadians trading a 20 year old Jean Béliveau except Mathews will probably be the more dominant player ( hard to compare but you get the stupidity in your comment ) Mathews is already the greatest player to wear a leafs jersey.

26.) 01 Aug 2018 02:26:35
Ok. really don't want to deal with Biased Goof and Virgin Balls.
You boys win. . lol. good luck! . really hope you win a cup.
Ummm Jim Crosby and Malkin. better than both your centers. so was there damn goalie. And depth players.
Vb. your jus a kid. so ya get a pass. But. Big Jean schooled your team for years. so until you win.
Shut up. lol.

27.) 01 Aug 2018 05:02:18
Jim is biased that's a given but vbbbvvbb is taking it to the next level lately. Matthews after 2 seasons of not getting out of the 1st round of the playoffs is already the best player in franchise history lol. what does that say about everyone else that ever donned the leafs jersey? it wasn't that long ago the leafs had a guy named doug gilmour who done much more and played better, harder and better defensively then matthews has played up to this point. But that was in the 90s vbbbvvbb you probably weren't born then. With regards to beliveau we are not exactly at the point yet where you should be comparing matthews to a hall of fame legend. cause guess what. if Matthews retired tomorrow he wouldn't get into the hall.

28.) 01 Aug 2018 05:07:26
It was a friendly argument and you clearly lost after insulting us. But anyway cheers. Béliveau was an all time great but I believe Mathews will be in the same tier. Béliveau was 2nd to Howe. Mathews is 2nd to McDavid for this current generation.

29.) 01 Aug 2018 06:59:33
C’mon habby. That’s the 2nd time you’ve mentioned “Matthews” not getting out of the 1st round. I believe it’s a team sport. “McDavid” didn’t even make the playoffs, he must be a bag of sh*t then? The hell with both of them, I’d rather Tom Wilson, he won the cup.

30.) 01 Aug 2018 14:14:16
I know that leafs 17 but my point was hold off on the beliveau comparison until he gets out of the first round lol.

31.) 01 Aug 2018 15:47:05
Yah I was born in 2001 so unfortunately I haven’t seen Dougie G play but I do agree with what you’re saying to be able to Compare the 3 Mathews has to play 10+ more seasons my point is the notion of trading Mathews is personic.


32.) 01 Aug 2018 16:11:27
@Habby, saying ‘trading Matthews is dumb’is me being biased? Lol 😂 and saying he’s more valuable at 20 than Tavares at 27 or marner at 20 is biased?! They’re all leafs lol. All I said is don’t trade a 20 year old star Centerman and that habs fans shouldn't be trying to fix the leafs by doing so. That’s not biased. That’s common sense.

33.) 01 Aug 2018 16:15:23
And Sosa, I never said Matthews and JT were better than Malkin/ Crosby. Or backstrom/ kuznetsov. Never said that at all. READ! Lol I said great centre depth has won the last 3 cups. It’s a fact, you can look that up to if you can sound out the words.

I could only imagine your response if you had 2 great players at the most important position in their prime and a leaf fan told you it’s a mistake to keep them both lol.

34.) 01 Aug 2018 17:51:47
No jim I had considered you biased long before this post lol.

35.) 01 Aug 2018 21:17:15
You think I’m biased because I told you you overvalue paccioretty and after months of actively shopping him, habs haven’t been able to find someone to give them good value. Again, that’s just looking at the reality of a situation.

36.) 01 Aug 2018 21:43:41
It’s not biased to point out that currently, contracts situations and all, there’s not a single skater on the Habs that could be traded 1-for-1 for our top 6 skaters. Anyone with common sense when it comes to hockey would see that habs best 3 players are Weber, patches and Drouin. None of those straight up gets you Nylander, Kadri or Rielly 4/ 5/ 6 as I said above.

And I know the whole TSN Toronto sports network complainers will come out soon, how it’s all media driven and that, but TSN doesn’t own Bodog, TSN doesn’t influence Vegas betting odds. Vegas betting odds are far from a guarantee how things will shake out, but it shows it’s far from just us ‘biased leaf fans’ that know how good this team is.

37.) 02 Aug 2018 02:32:20
Jim why can't you admit you are biased? I'm biased see it isn't that hard. Everyone on here value their teams players a little more then they are worth, you included. Maybe you are not as bad as some but your still biased.

38.) 02 Aug 2018 13:08:30
I like almost every leaf player because I watch them more and get to know them a bit. But I like a handful of players of almost every team in the league, all based on merit. I’ve criticized complete organizations before when they’re a screw up and it’s not biased to see those teams making brutal decisions on a monthly basis. I’ve never changed my opinion on a player because he changes address (like saying Kerry Rychel of the marlies is a bust one week, and a possible good 3rd liner 10 days later when he’s traded to the habs Lol or giving me a hard time for saying galchenyuk wasn’t very good and then he hadn’t even tried on his coyotes jersey yet and you called him spare parts and said how habs easily won the trade for domi even though every stat and number says otherwise lol

Tell me when I’ve ever changed my opinion of a player based on the jersey they wear? Because that’s what shows team bias. I didn’t like PK subban as a hab, don’t loke him as a Pred. Loved Shea Weber as a pred, don’t love him being a hab because he’s great, but don’t think less of him. Only ever criticized his contract which was equally bad in any city. And you never read me criticizing JT or Freddy Andersen or aPatrick Marleau before we acquired them, because I think the same about them now as I dod before, just happy they play here.

39.) 02 Aug 2018 15:27:42
And as always when your questioned about being biased you create BS stories about what other people said to make them seem more bias then you lol. Your awesome man.

40.) 02 Aug 2018 16:32:54
It’s not BS. Colt said the Kerby Rychel thug and you defended him when I questioned him on it. And he galchenyuk one was between you and I right after he was traded. Not that long ago. Maybe it’s my young memory.

41.) 03 Aug 2018 00:03:10
It's called selective memory I think.



26 Jul 2018 15:05:22
Edm/ Tor:

Pontus Aberg to Toronto in exchange for Josh Leivo.

Lateral move. Leivo could use a fresh start and many Oilers fans don’t see Aberg as a viable option in the future. Leivo is older but is also more experienced in the NHL.


1.) 26 Jul 2018 15:34:01
I like Aberg. I would want to hold onto him for a year or two. I see a god third liner in him.

2.) 26 Jul 2018 17:35:40
Agree with yupp I like how Aberg skates and he’s got a good shot with skill. Think he would be better for us if he starts playing like he can. Good post tho.

3.) 26 Jul 2018 18:01:12
I’m kinda neutral on it. I like Leivo and think he could be good, but clearly he’s not being given the opportunity here for whatever reason between him and Babcock.

4.) 26 Jul 2018 19:39:17
Ooo aii then that's noprob. I just saw some guys in comment threads on IG/ forums of Hbuzz saying that he'd be a depth forward for Edmonton for the coming season, and Leivo could be of more use right now, while Aberg would be more profitable in the future.

However, you guys know the EDM situation better than I do, so if he does have a role in the top nine, then its better off keeping him.

5.) 26 Jul 2018 22:55:04
I just think Edmonton needs more skill so I’d rather hold onto Aberg.

6.) 27 Jul 2018 19:26:12
I think you guys would be surprised with leivo he is good with a heavy shot only issue was his skating but has worked on it.

7.) 29 Jul 2018 23:19:21
Alright, the Leafs should keep and use him then.



23 Jul 2018 23:25:51
Phillipe Myers (RHD - 678K x 2 Years) + Jori Lehtera (C - 4.7 Million x 1 Year) to the Toronto Maple Leafs in exchange for Josh Leivo (LW/ RW - 650K x 1 Year) + Eamon McAdam (G - 800K x 1 Year) + 2019 5th Round Pick.

I know, it looks like Toronto fleeces Philly. But Philly wants to be a playoff contender this year, and can use the extra 4 Million in Cap Space if they decide to try and improve their roster via trade (Panarin, Skinner, Duchene possibly, maybe even a goalie) . Myers is a RHD prospect, and it does hurt to lose that, but Lehtera is legitimately useless, and is being paid 4.1 Million. If he can be dumped in the AHL he should be, and Toronto has nearly 20 million in cap space. Leivo can be a bottom six guy in Philly, and Myers could be a top 6 dman in Toronto.

Only reason I chose Philly is because they have a surplus of d (Ghost, Sanheim, Gudas, Prov, Morin) . Plus, it may seem like a lot to dump one year of a bad contract, but CHI dumped one year of Bickell with Teuvo for only a 2nd.


1.) 24 Jul 2018 05:18:35
I actually like this deal for both teams, Lehtera can be a 4th line center or AHLer for TOR and we get another RHD in our pool (something we can definitely use) and PHI gets rid of the cap while adding some potential goal scoring in Leivo (who TOR can replace from within the system) .

2.) 24 Jul 2018 15:13:11
Don’t think Philly does this but I’d take it from the Leafs POV.

3.) 25 Jul 2018 11:36:49
This is a good offer makes sense for both teams.

4.) 28 Jul 2018 17:17:18
I say no from Philly. Philly does have a bunch of D but not many RHD, they're expecting Myers to slot into top 4 then top pair eventually. You'll need to send more to philly for one if their top prospects especially when Hextall does not like to move prospects. I do like the idea of the trade tho.




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03 Aug 2018 13:30:33
Yesterday, Jeff Skinner was traded within the conference, to another ‘bubble’ team for a rather underwhelming return. Possibly this is a trend for scoring wingers coming off of down years. As for Toronto, although extremely unlikely due to our pursuit for dmen, I’d like to see us try and acquire a full rental LW for cheap, since out depth on the left side isn’t the strongest (Marleau/ Hyman/ Johnsson) .

This scenario is unlikely since they are divisional rivals, but.

Max Pacioretty (LW - 4.50 Million x 1 Year) to the Toronto Maple Leafs in exchange for Jeremy Bracco (RW - ELC) + Josh Leivo (LW - 650K x 1 Year) + 2019 2nd Round Draft Pick + 2020 2nd Round Draft Pick.

Essentially a better return for Patches than for Skinner. Bracco = Pu; Leivo >> 6th; 2nd+2nd > 2nd+3rd. And I’d argue since Skinner is coming off of a better year than Patches, Skinner is worth more, but it makes sense that Toronto would pay more since they are in the division. This essentially loads up Torontos top6 and makes any line matchup impossible. As a rental, with the price of Hoff and Skinner being reduced to nil, Patches value must have also plummeted.

(Btw, i'm basing this on an assumption that Skinners value = Patches or is very close to it) .


1.) 03 Aug 2018 14:37:30
I’d do that from leafs POV.

2.) 03 Aug 2018 14:46:09
I wouldn’t want to pay any more than skinner got. So if you matched the picks (2,3,6), rather than us paying that extra second I think it’s fair. Skinner is coming off a good year and a great year before that which I would have more confidence in. Contracts end the same time so no advantage to one or the other there. Skinner has higher salary, so to some teams that makes patches more valuable, but doesn't affect us with $20 mill this season. (13-14 mill after Nylander) . Montreal May want more from us, understandably, because of the division rival thing, but they know we wouldn’t be resigning him and they know they aren’t competing directly for anything with us this season. So they should just take the best return regardless where it comes from.

3.) 03 Aug 2018 15:16:18
Or they could just keep him and see what happens between now and the trade deadline.

4.) 03 Aug 2018 20:10:10
If he has a down year like last year @Habby, on a seemingly worse Habs team (Kotka won’t play, Chucks downgrades as an offensive threat to Domi), idk if you’d realistically get much more. It’s worth the gamble I guess considering returns are extremely low right now, but looking at scoring winger trades in the past; besides Nash which was an extreme overpayment by Boston, they haven’t had very good return.

He could probably get a 1st at the deadline if he puts up similar numbers to last year, but I don’t think much more.

5.) 03 Aug 2018 21:25:21
A first would be a good return IMO for the habs. More picks the better. Plus the habs will have the ability to retain salary which is something I'm pretty sure carolina did not want to do. either way galchenyuk not being there will not influence pacioretty much if any at all. Domi on the other hand could probably work out we'll for him.

6.) 03 Aug 2018 21:34:51
Might be a pretty realistic post. Not what i would want back but i'm biased, lol.

7.) 03 Aug 2018 23:31:00
@TSS, the Nash one was a pretty good return but remember that they sent back beleskys (while retaining on it) bad contract in there too. So a portion of the return definitely goes towards covering that and not all for Nash. So a later 1st and Spooner who is the best piece in it, but bruins knew they couldn't sign him. Still a better return than a canes got for a whole year of much younger skinner tho for sure.



03 Aug 2018 00:02:01
Skinner to BUF for Pu, a 2nd and some other picks.

Man, Buffalo could be a team on a mission this year.




01 Aug 2018 13:33:10
I wanted to see peoples opinions on thse teams for the next five-ten years (They’re all younger teams; TB not included lol)

- Buffalo
- Toronto
- Philadelphia
- Carolina
- Winnipeg
- Vancouver
- Arizona
- Edmonton

I think that in the next five - seven years, the majority of Stanley Cups will either goes to these teams or Tampa. Cause the older teams would just fall away. My personal ranking, as with current prospects, lineups, picks, trades, etc.

1. Winnipeg
2. Toronto
3. Philadelphia
4. Buffalo
5. Arizona
6. Carolina
7. Edmonton
8. Vancouver.


1.) 01 Aug 2018 14:25:39
I believe that coaching, chemistry, avoiding injuries, depth and the use of their cap space will ultimately be the deciding factors in which teams have the most success in the future. All these teams have good young talent but talent alone usually doesn't win cups.

2.) 01 Aug 2018 16:44:53
A lot of time for things to change and mistakes to be made but pretty good list. I would put Edmonton ahead of Carolina and philly, mainly because of mcdavid tho. It’s a team sport and one guy can’t win for you in hockey like in the NBA, but if anyone can come close, it’s him.

3.) 01 Aug 2018 17:56:53
Philly if carter hart can become a real good number 1 goalie, like among the leagues best may have a shot. toronto edmonton and buffalo with all the top draft picks they have had should all be contenders soon. arizona Carolina and Vancouver all have a lot of work to do yet. but I mean Vegas made it to the stanley cup finals so I guess anything is possible.

4.) 01 Aug 2018 20:09:26
1.Winnepeg ( but it depends on what happens with Trouba and Wheeler could easily change)
2. Toronto
3. Buffalo ( they have a franchise Center and Dman + Midelstad who will be a stud and whoever they pick up next year. They can make it to the top potentially imo. )
4. Tampa ( if they get Karlsson things change but they need to work on that PK bad )
6. Arizona

The rest I don’t believe can amount to much because you can’t win a cup without good manegment and those teams need a change imo especially Edmonton. If they get a change then they could move up.

5.) 02 Aug 2018 09:33:52
Props for ranking BUF over TB, VB.

6.) 02 Aug 2018 09:35:20
Oil fans have been saying this for years. Lol but they have young depth in every position except maybe left wing. And who knows with goaltending, for any team really.
There young established NHLers are McDavid, Draisaitl and RNH. They have Puljujarvi and Yamamoto coming up with high potential. Young depth players in Khaira, Strome, Rattie and Aberg. (Not a fan of Cagguila)
On D they have a Nurse, Larsson and Klefbom as young established NHLers. They also have Bouchard, Bear and Jones who are young with high potential. Benning also a young depth D with some potential.
A question mark in net with Talbot (statistically he’s been solid/ average and should bounce back next season) but Stewart Skinner has a lot of potential.

Once some young guys step into roles, a couple bad contracts are off the books and they can sign some support players Oil could be a good team.

7.) 02 Aug 2018 21:04:23
I think I’d actually take buffalo over Toronto on my 2nd thoughts.

8.) 02 Aug 2018 21:15:35
If sabres forwards pan out, they won’t be as good as Toronto’s forward group maybe, but more than good enough. Plus they have high end d potential that we don’t have in Dahlin. But they really need to figure out goaltending. If the forwards take the next step and they get even slightly above average goaltending they will be good.

9.) 02 Aug 2018 23:49:23
I guess vbb’s is not entitled to his opinion triplets? Tampa is a good team but there are many others and there’s usually some underdogs that step up.

10.) 03 Aug 2018 00:14:40
Now added skinner, Buffalo should be pretty good I’m a year or two.

11.) 03 Aug 2018 05:28:09
Give them another year they look much better with Jack Hughs as the 2c.

12.) 03 Aug 2018 07:49:00
@Leafs17: So me saying props for ranking Team X over Team Y means me saying VB isn't entitled to his opinion?
You're really on the next level of stupid, pal.

13.) 03 Aug 2018 10:10:57
We know you’re a lightning fan pal. What were you getting at then? You must agree with vbb's.

14.) 03 Aug 2018 14:46:04
@TheTriplets I understand it’s an Outlandish opinion I’d just rather have a Eichel, Middelstad and Dahlin core then Stamkos, Kucherov And Hedman Core. Also I’m assuming they draft another star next season and grab a good goalie. But the Sabres don’t have Vaisalvsky that’s for sure.

15.) 04 Aug 2018 16:57:52
@Leafs17: What has me being a Lightning fan to do with this? I just said its a wild idea to think BUF has a better future outlook than TB, because those teams haven't been anywhere near each other the last ~5 years. While I agree that BUF is an up and coming team, there are no signs of TB slowing down, with them still having a relatively young team as well as one of the deepest prospect pools in the league.

@VB: How is this core better than TBs? Like, even assuming absolutely perfect development curves for the 3 Sabres, neither is going to be better than any of the TB players, no?
Eichel is really good, but will he ever be better than Stamkos? If so, it's prolly a coin toss. I like Mittelstadt as a prospect but will he ever score 100 points in the NHL? We don't know, but how would he ever be better than Kuch is right now? Dahlin is 18, if he develops perfectly he'll be as good as Hedman one day.
See what I'm saying? While all 3 TB players are already proven superstars, those BUF players are sure super talented but they need everything to go super well, just to be on the same level as the TB players.

16.) 05 Aug 2018 01:40:04
Fair enough triplets, I agree with you. I just don’t think you would’ve given vbb’s props had he put Buffalo over Toronto, but we all know he wouldn’t do that.

17.) 06 Aug 2018 08:25:43
Well my "props" were sarcastic anyways. It was meant like "thats a weird thing to do, VB"



22 Jul 2018 20:18:12
Trouba - 5.5 mil x 1 year.

Appearntly is a UFA at seasons end. If like such, doesn’t his value diminish slightly?


1.) 22 Jul 2018 20:32:57
Seriously? He just got a one year deal, And is now a UFA after this upcoming season? Thought he would still be a RFA.

2.) 22 Jul 2018 21:22:44
No, Trouba is still RFA after this contract is up.

3.) 22 Jul 2018 21:22:47
YEah was unsure of it to @yup

Saw it on a trustworthy IG source, that's why.

4.) 22 Jul 2018 22:25:33
It doesn't surprise me that you don't understand simple, basic contract rules.

5.) 23 Jul 2018 05:23:07
Doesn’t surprise me that memarcusjoe doesn’t know what a ‘grammatical redundancy’ is.

6.) 23 Jul 2018 11:40:28

Doesn’t surprise that ne you’d probabky think that trouba is worth the sun and the moon and you can’t even argue with logical points.



12 Jul 2018 00:50:37
Max Pacioretty (LW - 4.5 Million x 1 Year) + Paul Byron (RW - 1.75 Million x 1 Year) + Jordie Benn (D - 1.1 Million x 1 Year) + 2019 4th Round Draft Selection to the New Jersey Devils in exchange for Joey Anderson (RW - ELC) + John Quenneville (C - 800K x 1 Year) + 2019 1st Round Draft Selection.

- New Jersey makes this move to remain competitive in a heavy Metro division, especially after standing pat on the free agent front. Taylor Hall can’t carry this team again, and adding support players like Patches and Byron may help.
- Montreal trades away roster bodies in an attempt to tank. Anderson is a solid prospect who projected to make NJ out of camp and could do so in MTL. Quenneville has not shown much but is a centre prospect with success in the AHL, and could be of use. The 1st is the kicker though, its unprotected, and if NJ slides out in a heavy Metro division, the pick is lottery. As well, Patches right now probably doesn’t have as much value as he should (The announcement yesterday, that Bergervin won't offer him a contract), so adding more pieces makes the package enticing.

New Jersey lineup:
Taylor Hall - Nico Hischier - Jesper Bratt
Max Pacioretty - Travis Zajac - Kyle Palmieri
Marcus Johansson - Pavel Zacha - Paul Byron
Miles Wood - Brian Boyle - Blake Coleman

Will Butcher - Damon Seveson
Jordie Benn - Sami Vatanen
Andy Greene - Ben Lovejoy

Cory Schneider
Keith Kinkaid.


1.) 12 Jul 2018 13:54:19
I wouldn’t trade a 1st round pick if I were NJ I’m really not a believer in their roster at all I think they take a step back but that’s my opinion. Value wise it may not be to bad tho.

I think that pick will be 8-9 ovr.




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12 Aug 2018 10:42:58

At full price, for three more years, i'd be wary. Need the cap space for tne big three.

Trade in general is awful for TO tho, lol.




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12 Aug 2018 07:20:51
Legit a 2nd and complete spare parts for a top4 RHD.

Leivo, Holl and the 7th combined prolly get a 4th and 6th, lol.




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12 Aug 2018 07:19:21
Pinny, ya went from one extreme to the other.

Are you trying to prove a point that you aren’t ‘Leaf Biased’? Still not working.




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04 Aug 2018 17:50:44
‘Pinball. Is. Back. ’

*cold shivers*.




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03 Aug 2018 20:05:43
Foote and a 1st to move out Cally? Don’t think so. It’ll prolly just take the 1st. Cause Girardi is basically just a rental cause his contract ends before any resigning would be done.

Simmonds trade isn’t that bad imo, but ain’t that third line a bit inexperienced? Idk, i'd prefer Simmonds there imo.





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