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21 Mar 2019 21:36:34
Not a likely trade, but one that could make sense:

Toronto Trades: Connor Brown [RW - 2.1 Million x 1 Year]
Montreal Trades: Artturi Lekhonen [LW - RFA]

Montreal has Tatar/ Drouin/ Byron on LW; Toronto has Marner/ Nylander/ Kapanen on RW.

Montreal has Gallagher/ Shaw/ Armia on RW; Toronto has Johnsson/ Hyman/ Marleau on LW.

Both teams improve their weaker wing. Montreal gets a controllable asset for the next year at a reasonable price [and imo, the better player], Toronto gets a player who is not under contract, but should receive less than Brown due to his decrease in point-scoring [28-21-25].

TopShelfSlappers

1.) 22 Mar 2019 03:28:57
I think is good trade, yes. Leafs have good players in Marlies too though, but maybe they are not ready? Is Moore good enough? I don’t know. Is good trade for both teams. I believe is called a lateral move, yes?

Very good Mr. TopShelfSlappers. I like this trade much.


2.) 22 Mar 2019 21:22:19
Makes sense, good idea. I have no idea why your post has 4 unbelievables tbh, good and realistic post imo


3.) 23 Mar 2019 19:03:32
Lehkonen hits more and has more upside and is a better penalty killer IMO. He's also a year younger and is on a cheaper deal. I see no reason why Montreal considers this unless lehkonen will be looking for a new contract in the 3 mil plus range.


4.) 23 Mar 2019 21:23:19
Lehkonen is an assistant captain and yes his stats are getting worse in the last 2 season but that injury is 100% responsible for that. When he goes back to form he has all the tools to be a 40+ point players.


5.) 23 Mar 2019 21:24:51
Montreal will keep lehkonen he's the better player imo and Lehkonen can play both wings.


6.) 23 Mar 2019 22:09:43
Eh, i think brown/ lekh are even PK and @boom, realistically, if toronto didn’t have marner/ kap/ nylander in the right, brown ‘could’ be a 40 point guy too. But yeee ig for the money if u guys prefer lekh it makes sense.


7.) 25 Mar 2019 16:41:28
Honestly TSS I tought Brown was like a Gallagher esque a type a guy who's not afraid to go in corners to battle for the puck, until the trade deadline when I was talking to an electrician on my worksite who's a big Leafs fan. He was telling her trade Brown anyday of the week and that I was way off with my Gallagher comparisons. I don't watch leads enough only when they play habs but Lekonen goes in the corner and if Brown dosnt that where they value separates.


8.) 25 Mar 2019 16:44:46
TSS if Toronto would have to add something like Bracco and a 3rd pick for mtl to consider. Lehk is still playing decent hockey with only 1 wrist.


 

 

02 Mar 2019 17:10:04
Nick Paul to Arizona for a 2018 6th.

Deals can still be made after the deadline, just the players can’t play in the playoffs. Arizona has had putrid luck with injuries, Paul could be a stopgap if anything happens, and Ottawa gets something for a guy that they waived. If ARZ makes the playoffs, likely, some of their guys come back and Paul isn’t even needed.

Idk, we haven’t seen many ‘subsequent-deadline’ deals even tho they can happen, maybe a small deal like this happens for teams like ARZ or even TOR with a dman - just for the stretch run.

TopShelfSlappers

1.) 02 Mar 2019 17:43:23
But. Paul is a B prospect that can headline a trade for a top 6 forward or top 4 D. Worth at least a 2nd no matter what everyone but Rambo says.


2.) 02 Mar 2019 19:52:17
Holy, I was just reading through past posts and I saw that loool. I was going to go with a guy like Christopher Ehn, or Paul or something else, but chose Paul to see what Rambo had to say.


3.) 02 Mar 2019 20:04:04
so paul for last year's 6th round pick? who did arizona pick in 2018 in the 6th round? i'm pretty sure you mean 2019 6th round. even then i think paul could get a 4th or 5th.


4.) 08 Mar 2019 15:24:26
Paul is big. But that is all he is. Arizona can draft big AHL players themselves. They just prefer do it first round is all.


 

 

25 Feb 2019 20:53:16
NIC PETAN FOR PAR LINDHOLM LOL.

TopShelfSlappers

1.) 25 Feb 2019 21:09:28
Maybe they can try him at RD with Reilly and teach him how to fight since the leafs didn’t address their needs.


2.) 25 Feb 2019 21:25:25
Who is Par Lindholm?

Is he as good as Mark Stone?


3.) 25 Feb 2019 21:27:51
Lol yeah, definetely disappointed in Dubas for today. If you think Tampa/ Bostons going to outst you, sell gardiner for controllable assets. If you think you have a chance, improve the team.


4.) 25 Feb 2019 21:35:19
Nic Petan goes from being worthless to a generational talent in the eyes of Leaf fans in one day! 😄.


5.) 25 Feb 2019 21:51:01
I lol'd at that Leafs17 haha, i actually am surprised Dubas didn't make a move to get some toughness.


6.) 25 Feb 2019 23:42:24
Nice spin Joe. I think everyone on this site, of every fan base, knows it’s you and IJ that think every player in the jets organization are untouchables. I guess you’re getting sick of being called out and need to deflect some attention?


7.) 25 Feb 2019 23:42:54
Only thing dumber then leafs fans is Winnipeg and oilers fans.


8.) 26 Feb 2019 00:04:41
Blockbuster!


9.) 26 Feb 2019 01:52:49
I don’t think that’s a compliment but I’ll take it Mike, lol. It’s better “than” you’re looking for though buddy. Since we’re talking about how smart people are.


10.) 26 Feb 2019 02:05:06
Why would the leafs do this Lindholm is a solid player who plays his role. Petan sucks.


11.) 26 Feb 2019 02:47:32
Seriously though, Toronto wins this deal and it's good for Petan. He'll be playing at least 4th line minutes regularly in Toronto maybe even top 9 minutes. I'd imagine Chevy promised to find Petan a place where he could play and did just that.


12.) 26 Feb 2019 06:22:08
I really don’t know a lot about Petan Joe. I don’t think he’ll see top 9 minutes unless the leafs trade for a defenseman in the off season. Toronto is just as deep as Winnipeg as far as forwards go. Another little guy is not what the leafs needed.


13.) 26 Feb 2019 14:58:44
Marcus I think I read that to with Chevy trying to move him where he could get a chance to play more. I don’t think Toronto offers him a ton of potential ice time but better to be in a new org then stay in Winnipeg.


14.) 26 Feb 2019 18:17:49
Leafs17, McJ,

Petan is actually quite a good playmaker/ passer and may help out on your PP if it struggles. He's pretty good at finding the open guy and getting the puck into their wheelhouse. He has played center and wing, but as far as I remember the Jets used him primarily on the wing.

Had Nic's Dad not died at the beginning of the season, resulting in Nic taking some family time, I think he would have started the year on the 4th line and maybe got some 2nd PP time. A real tough break for him there and I feel for the guy.

His downsides are that he is small as you mentioned and to me at least, not particularly fast, so moving past a bottom six role will be unlikely.

Hopefully the Leafs can find a way to give him some regular playing time and he'll be a pleasant surprise for you. At least we won't have to worry about playing against him when it matters unless we're both playing for the SC. Lol.


15.) 26 Feb 2019 18:17:58
My fear is that Petan is going to come back to hunt the Jets for their misuse of him. The Leafs most definitely won this trade.


16.) 28 Feb 2019 09:17:29
I wouldn't be worried about Petan coming back and haunt you. Maybe he's going to haunt your AHL team but that's about it.


 

 

24 Feb 2019 23:01:43
Toronto Acquires:
Jason Pominville [5.60 Million x 1 Year]

Buffalo Acquires:
Gabriel Gagne [700K x 1 Year]
2019 3rd Round Pick
Conditional 2020 5th Round Pick **Becomes a 2020 4th if Toronto advances past Round1.

Buffalo is currently 6 points back of Carolina/ Pittsburgh, and has struggled as of late. Pominville hasn't been as good as he was in the beginning of the season, so Buffalo could be looking at moving him. If Hagelin [with retention] brings back a 3rd and a 5th, Pominville with none should bring back a 3rd and a 5th as well. For Toronto, they acquire a bottom six vet who could prove handy in the playoffs against tougher teams like Boston.

TopShelfSlappers

1.) 25 Feb 2019 00:12:05
I think Toronto could put that money to better use.


 

 

23 Feb 2019 19:56:15
Alex Chiasson to Toronto in exchange for Freddy Gauthier, 2020 3rd and Conditional 2019 5th.

Condition: Becomes a 2019 4th if Toronto advances to the second round, and a 2019 3rd if Toronto advances to the third round.

@MJC, I saw you posted Chiasson for Ho-Sang, and tbh, that's a better deal than this one. However, I'm pretty sure Chiasson will go for around a 3rd+a small add if there isn't a bidding war, so you think this would be okay?

I'd like Chiasson for our fourth line, big guy with a decent point total. You guys get Goat who is basically just a 4C with relatively no skill - if he uses his body though, he could become a decent enough guy.

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1.) 23 Feb 2019 20:58:40
I agree Chiasson will probs get something similar to what Maroon got so that being a 3rd and a small add but I’m personally not a fan of Gauthier. But if that’s the best we can get then I’d take it but if Oil could make a deal to get Ho-Sang that would be ideal.


2.) 23 Feb 2019 22:27:44
I think Mcjesus is right., I think Oilers should try and get Ho-Sang. I think he has the skill set and speed to play with McDavid.


3.) 23 Feb 2019 23:11:21
@MJ

Dw, nobodies really a fan of Goat lol. he's half a step too slow in almost all cases, I just put him in as a roster body swap. I was thinking of Holl but he's not much either, lol.


4.) 23 Feb 2019 23:31:37
Gauthier + picks is pretty reasonable for a depth guy like Chiasson. At least we get a roster player back, though he is a little slow.

HoSang is about as close to being a bust as they get if he isn’t already. He’s 23 years old, drafted five years ago, he’s played in a whopping 53 games. Chiasson is a full time nhl roster player. Definitely worth more than HoSang.


5.) 24 Feb 2019 01:05:01
Wondering if Dallas was ship Honka to Edmonton for Chiasson as I read they are looking for depth player and honka is slowly getting pushed out of lineup with lovejoy trade.


6.) 24 Feb 2019 05:27:16
Ho Sang/ Honka=Puljujarvi.


7.) 24 Feb 2019 06:48:17
I ageree vbb. All those guys are looking like busts and need a change of scenery. Maybe a three way deal cculd be made here?


8.) 24 Feb 2019 16:23:59
Honka and Ho-Sang are 23. Puljujärvi is 20. Stfu vb you’re so annoying.


9.) 24 Feb 2019 18:36:45
I think oilers should a least put there first round pick out there to see what would be offered . if they could send lucic and another bad contract away and get a good winger back the cap space would let them make a bigger move.


10.) 24 Feb 2019 19:50:14
The Oil first will have way more value at the draft and Lucic’s contract would be way easier to trade after the seasons over. Probably still an immovable contract.


11.) 24 Feb 2019 20:37:31
Hosang still had some potential just a really bad attitude.


12.) 24 Feb 2019 20:39:37
Honka is not a bust, he's a D that is taking time to develop.


13.) 24 Feb 2019 20:43:12
I agree with you Mcjesus to a certain extent but you also have to realize that Puljujarvi dosnt have the value that you think he as. If I remember correctly you have proposed a trade for Puljujarvi where Carolina was giving a first and top prospect for him and he's just not worth that at all. he's worth more then Yakupov was when he got traded but not a first IMO. A second and B+ prospect is as much as I could see Edm getting for him. VB is annoying but you are overvaluing Pulujarvi big time.


14.) 24 Feb 2019 23:27:43
Ho Sang And a 2nd = Puljujarvi.


 

 

 

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17 Apr 2019 16:10:36
Worst collapse ever. My god Tampa.

TopShelfSlappers

1.) 17 Apr 2019 22:09:03
Based on regular season record I would have to agree. That being said clb is a lot closer to Tampa then the regular season totals suggest and that's before the additions at the trade deadline. They can match anyone in forward depth and I think their defence is better then tampas especially with Hedman playing hurt. Also I have always thought bobrovski is a better goalie then vasilievski and torts is a better coach then cooper. i'm waiting to hear the excuse that they lost because yzerman left or somehow he knew they would be swept in the first round so he got out of dodge lol.


 

 

27 Feb 2019 23:33:04
Hey, I was looking at NHL Stats, and.

Erik Gustafsson, signed to a 2 year, 2.4 Million Total NHL Deal last year by Chicago has 45 points in 60 games. Originally an Oilers draft pick, I guess was never signed, but holy cow, why isn't this being publicized more? This is an insane pace for, well, basically a sophomore.

I know points aren't the end-all, be-all for dmen, but when you're outscoring Erik Karlsson, you're doing pretty good, lol.

TopShelfSlappers

1.) 28 Feb 2019 03:14:01
Snagged him from FA a while back for my fantasy team. He’s killin’ it. As for formerly being an Oilers prospect. yeah, sounds about right. Haha 😂🤦🏼‍♂️.


2.) 28 Feb 2019 03:50:11
Oh boy. jus seems to be one failure after another.


3.) 28 Feb 2019 05:18:26
He's not out scoring kartlson he's got the same amount of points but has played 8 more games. He's playing big minutes for the hawks this year and is having a real good year. I don't really like his defensive play but it still isn't horrible I think in all honesty this will be his career season.


4.) 01 Mar 2019 08:03:40
Tough to call because with Seabrook and Keith on the decline he’s going to continue to get top PP time as long as his play keeps up. After how he’s contributed this season he may get even more ice time next season. Maybe he flounders or maybe it’s just the opportunity he needs to show off his range of skills. Could be a diamond in the rough, who knows.


 

 

20 Feb 2019 22:10:30
This is meant as discussion, but @memarcusjoe commented that often, rentals do not pull in top prospects+firsts, etc. Here are some of the most recent 'Big Fish' trade deadline moves [Past 5 Years, or so]

2014: Matt Moulson [Flipped for 2 2nds], 2014 1st, 2015 2nd for Thomas Vanek.

2015: John Moore, Anthony Duclair [Top 20-30 Prospect at the time], 2016 1st, 2015 2nd for Keith Yandle.

2015: Roland McKewon [Decent Prospect at the time], 2015 1st for Andrej Sekera.

2015: Brendan Leispic [Decent Prospect at the time], 2015 1st, Olli Jokinen [Sent to STL for a 6th and Joakim Lindstrom] for Mike Santorelli and Cody Franson.

2015: 2015 1st [Matt Barzal], Rob Klinkhammer for David Perron.

2016: Kris Versteeg for Valentin Zykov [Arguably a highly touted prospect, and regardless, Versteeg was basically a nobody - earlier in the season, he was sent to CAR as a cap dump, and he brought back a pretty good prospect]

2016: Marko Dano, 2016 1st, 2016 2nd for Andrew Ladd [Dano was a pretty good prospect at the time, he was the second big piece in the original Saad to CBJ trade (Anisimov and Dano for Saad)

2017: Jonathan Dahlen for Alex Burrows

2017: Grayson Downing, 2017 1st, 2018 2nd, 2019 4th for Martin Hanzal.

2018: Ryan McDonagh, JT Miller for Vlad Namestnikov [who was having an excellent season], Libor Hajek, Brett Howden, 2018 1st, 2019 2nd [which could become a 1st]

2018: Evander Kane for Danny O'Reagan, 2019 1st.

2018: Paul Stastny for Erik Foley and 2018 1st.

2018: Rick Nash for Ryan Spooner, Matt Beleskey [50% Retained], Ryan Lindgren, 2018 1st, 2019 7th.

All I can say is, a lot of these were guys who were having pretty decent years [Usually 0.7PPG, potentially higher] who were traded for at bare minimum, a 1st and some decent prospect[s]. If you guys want to compare Stone to Andrew Ladd, Paul Stastny or Rick Nash, it basically sums up why your proposals aren't 'up-to-par'. Both Stone and Duchene - as well as Panarin and Bob, are unlike anyone we've seen traded at the deadline in a while. The closest comparisons, imo, are the Yandle/ McDonagh deals. Yandle wasn't as good as Stone, but had the term, which compensated, and he brought back a young 4-5 d in Moore, an arguably top 30 prospect in Duclair and a 1st. That's basically, in todays terms, something like Vesalianen, 1st and a guy like Brandon Tanev or so.

Or, we look at the McDonagh trade, again, McD has the extra year, but I'd argue that Stone, with his defensive play and being a PPG on OTT is a better player. However, just for reasons sake, let's take out the conditional 2nd, which could become a 1st. Now we have Brett Howden, Libor Hajek and a guaranteed 1st [Miller for Vlad was essentially a swap at the time] for McD. This translates, roughly, to Sami Niku, 2019 1st and Mason Appleton.

And even if you take the Rick Nash trade - Spooner was swapped for Beleskey's cap dump, fine. Then you have Lindgren and a 1st, which is basically Logan Stanley and a 1st. But realistically, Mark Stone is much, much, much better than an aging Rick Nash, so you ave to at least add on an extra 1st, or some prospects.

Additionally, if a guy like Pinball posted, 'Fred Gauthier, Garrett Sparks, Jeremy Bracco and a 1st for Mark Stone', a lot of people, would be bashing him, and so should they, because that doesn't come close to acquiring Mark Stone.

However, you [@MMJ and @IJ] shouldn't be saying that the Jets can't trade Niku or so for Stone while saying that the Leafs have to part with Sandin/ Liljegren.

TopShelfSlappers

1.) 21 Feb 2019 05:23:01
If I'm Ottawa I'm making sure I get a good return for both. if winnipeg doesn't want to pay it someone else will. Chevy doesn't really like giving up youth for players as much as some gms but if he's in on stone the price has got to be a top prospect a 1st and another player/ prospect at least.


2.) 21 Feb 2019 15:22:32
I think you kind of answered your own question here, with the amount of household names contained in the prospect packages above. All the prospects listed above were B/ C prospects. The only guys who returned more were players with term.

From your examples above you can clearly see that a pure rental almost never returns grade A prospects. Sure there are always GM's that make bad trades trying to save their jobs.

As I said before, if you are willing to throw away a top prospect for 2 months of a player that from historic evidence on improves your Cup chances by 1 or 2%, great. If other fans are more savvy and won't do it, great.

Will Chevy end up giving a top prospect for a rental? Maybe, if he really thinks it's worth it and probably only if he thinks he has a very good chance at re-signing him.

Overall, I'm not too concerned about what Ottawa wants, just what I'm willing to give. If we get Stone we get him, if we don't, we don't.


3.) 21 Feb 2019 22:18:32
The problem is, Andrew Ladd, Rick Nash, Martin Hanzal, Paul Stastny, Evander Kane and Cody Franson aren't really household names. They were either playing really well [Franson], were extremely coveted [Hanzal, Ladd], were aging [Nash, Stastny, Ladd] or were playing poorly [Kane].

Comparatively, Stone is young, extremely coveted and playing really well. There is a difference between him and the previous guys. Its unfair to label his return as similar to those. That's why, I think Yandle's trade was a fair benchmark - Stone is better than Yandle, but Yandle had term.


4.) 22 Feb 2019 04:42:34
I meant that the prospects dealt for the rentals weren't household names. In other words B prospects, or former A's (Duclair) that were clearly longshots to develop into anything much.


 

 

29 Jan 2019 00:40:06
I proposed Muzzin and Clifford (both at 50%) for Grundstrom, Sparks, 1st and 2nd prior. I mean, its pretty close🤪.

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29 Jan 2019 00:38:48
Muzzin officially to the Leafs for a 1st, Durzi and Grundstrom.

Not getting rid of any of Nylander, Kapanen, Johnsson, Bracco, Lily or Sandin is a win for us, especially since Muzzin is a #3 on this team, and has term.

TopShelfSlappers

1.) 29 Jan 2019 05:51:32
Grundstrom is much better then Bracco what are you saying?


2.) 29 Jan 2019 06:41:10
Grundstrom plays a better all around game then bracco but the jury is still out on both. I've seen a lot of durzi this year and he's looked pretty good but it is his 4th year of junior so that's to be expected. Leafs needed a dman and they paid the price they had to to get one. could be a good deal for both teams. muzzin is still a pretty good dman with a lot of playoff experience two good qualities the leafs could use.


3.) 29 Jan 2019 12:20:04
Grundstrom is more likely to make the NHL, yes. But realistically, Bracco has a higher ceiling, and I think i would rather keep Bracco, just based on his pace this year. Leo Komarov-esque is Grundstrom, so he should make the nhl, problem is, will he ever be a 40-50 point guy consistentky? Probabky not. Bracco has that potential, although it is a question.

And Habby, i agree 100% on Durzi, he should be producing at this stage as an overager, and especially w Hollowell and Kral both playing good, he became expandable. And to not give up either of Lil/ Sandin is a +.

And i like the deal. We had to give up one of our B prospects and a 1st at minimum for a solid top 4 guy. Unfortunately, there was no retention. But that's fine, now we can simmer dowm om the Nylander + Liljegren ++ for Petro talks. Muzzin solidifies our dcore and brings some much needed physicality. And for the Kings, its a solid trade too. Grundstrom, as i said before, is almost guarranteed to be an NHLer, and the 1st is a 1st. Durzi is a wild card but in 2-4 years time he coild blossom.


4.) 30 Jan 2019 05:50:22
At the beginning of the year Grundstrom was considered the leafs best forward prospect and 3rd overall after Lilly and sandin. Bracco was 8th or 9th overall I realize bracco has put up more points this season but I'd still have to give the edge to Grundstrom.


 

 

 

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18 Apr 2019 22:14:59
Aighht, so because Kadri does what he did he's apperantky a 3rd liner now? His numbers are only down this year because of Tavares and his concussion. He was on pace for 50 despite a terrible shooting% before his injury. just because of his idiotic decisions doesn't mean he's suddenly a 3C on montreal (definetely not, lol) l Hayes is certainly not better, Nashville has what Turris, he had a rotten season and Granlunds a winger; Kadris better than Johnson considering they play Point on the wing, i'd say Statsny&Kadri are even, Stastneys just having an excellent postseason, Krejci has one good year out of nowhere and he's suddenly better?

I get Kadri did something idiotic. And it was extremely idiotic, mind it. But don't discredit him. Two back to back thirty goal years and he still puts up pro-rated 50 points on the 3rd line with an old Marleau and Nylander who everyones been discrediting. he's a 2L on most teams, and its not much of an argument.

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08 Apr 2019 01:04:09
Too much from Edmonton. Your looking at Pulj + Bear or the 1st + some lower tier guy, not Pulj + Bear + the 1st.

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08 Apr 2019 01:03:28
Eh, its basically Pulj for Risto tbh. Sekera doesn't have that much value, I mean, 5.5 Million for the next 2 years isn't really a good contract and after all his injuries, its unlikely someone bites on him, even for cheap. I'd say Bear nearly insulates his value, and then you got Pulj+ a little for Risto. After Dahlin, although Risto's +/ - wasn't great, its really not everything you can base the dman on [look at Ron Hainsey. lol]. I'd take him anyday on Toronto for a package of like Kapanen+Zaitsev+Borgman, but j my opinion.

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05 Apr 2019 22:20:44
@Ebs

They probably would say no, not bc value, but because of cap. If we’re trading Brown, we want next to no salary coming back, not more, even if the value is good.

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04 Apr 2019 01:12:23
Its going to be Auston + Mo/ Mitch for Connor by himself. i'd rather build round our core tbh than give that up for Connor, but Edmonton won't sell him any cheaper.

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