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17 Apr 2018 22:37:24
Christopher Tanev (4.450 Million) + Brandon Sutter (3.500 Million - 20% Retention) to the Toronto Maple Leafs in exchange for Andrew Nielsen (ELC) + Dmytro Timashov (ELC) + 2018 1st Round Pick.

Toronto picks up a dman who just had an injury riddled, down year. They take back a salary dump in Brandon Sutter who could be a decent 3rd line centre, ; and due to his salary addition, the value going to Vancouver should be lessened.

Vancouver picks up a First Round Pick, as well as two prospects for a dman who may be overtaken by guys like Hutton, Stetcher, Juolevi and possibly guys like Dahlin/ Boqvist/ Hughes should they target dmen.

Toronto Lineup:

Zach Hyman - Auston Matthews - William Nylander
Patrick Marleau - Nazem Kadri - Mitchell Marner
Andreas Johnsson - Brandon Sutter - Kasperi Kapanen
Joshua Leivo - Miro Aaltonen - Connor Brown

Chris Tanev - Morgan Rielly
Jake Gardiner - Travis Dermott
Ron Hainsey - Nikita Zaitsev

Frederik Andersen
Garrett Sparks

- Its probably a bit too little from Toronto, idk how to sweeten it. maybe add in Connor Brown for Timashov and remove Sutter? Idk.


1.) 18 Apr 2018 02:15:07
I like it Tanev would be a great fit.

2.) 18 Apr 2018 02:43:55
Brock is going to want Nylander, 1st for Tanev lol all star top
Pairing guy in his prime Tanev. Stud. Or is that Edler?

3.) 18 Apr 2018 09:58:16
Not enough value from Toronto to get anywhere near Tanev, plus Sutter in a good team is a 3rd liner or a really good 4th liner and at only 3.5 million he has enough value to fetch atleast 2 2nd round picks considering cap hit, contract length and age. So I’d say No bug time from Vancouver, maybe add Liljegren or Dermott.

4.) 18 Apr 2018 12:01:34
Sutter sucks @AO. he's been a 20-30 point guy. You’re saying he'd be a great fourth liner, that proves my point, at 3.5 million, he is an overpriced contract that is going to be added to a trade in order to lower the value that is going towards the Canucks. He can’t fetch 2 seconds, i don't know where you got that from (Shaw/ Eller maybe), but they were both traded before they were signed to bloated deals. Sutter already has one.

And as seen by multiple people, including non-Leaf fans like Yup, Liljegren for Tanev is an overpaymenr by the Leafs. I’d consider Dermott as the same as Liljegren, so that too would prob be an overpayment.

5.) 18 Apr 2018 12:30:26
You can keep Suter then lol.

6.) 18 apr 2018 16:17:35
brandon sutter has negative value at best.

7.) 18 Apr 2018 20:31:26
Looks about right. Ignoring the nonsense about Sutter being worth 2 2nds (he’s not) I think it’s reasonably close. If Tanev was not such a bandaid Vancouver would get more but he misses like 30% of the season every year. Leafs would probably be willing to add a 2nd or a meh prospect, especially considering how well he played with Rielly at the worlds. You can forget about adding Dermott or Liljegren though.

8.) 19 Apr 2018 00:01:30
Not bad value.

@AO99 - His great contract value makes him a great 4th line centre so leafs have to add a 19 year old top D prospect. Lol at 3.5mill?!?! Every team in the league has 4-5 players either on the team or in the AHL knocking on the door that could play 4th line for $800k-1.5mill. You’re nuts haha of you had h e quotes tanevs good contract (2 yearsx4.45mill) I could agree, that’s good terms for a top 4 D.

9.) 19 Apr 2018 04:00:48
Tanev sven Gagner retain 25 percent of Tanev contract 25 percent of gagner as well reason Canucks have a lot of cap maple won’t / add value / there lossing Bozak and Jvr there not as good but won’t cost them lot in cap
2018 1 2019 1.

10.) 19 Apr 2018 04:43:09
Actually not bad, good post.

11.) 19 Apr 2018 15:54:38
@Brock, leafs would have no interest in anyone you named there except Tanev. And you want 2 first round picks for them to take a handful of your misfits? Lol not a chance.



29 Mar 2018 21:51:07
Habs/ Isles possibility:

Charlie Lindgren and Logan Shaw to the New York Islanders in exchange for Joshua Ho-Sang and the rights to Jarsolav Halak.

- The Islanders could use a young goalie. From what I've seen of Lindgren, he's looked good, but if Price is going to stay (with that contract, probably), there isn't room for him. Plus, Fucale could always show signs of developmental turnaround (maybe? ) . But goal should be the least of the concerns for Montreal, and yet, it is also New Yorks biggest concern.
- New York gives away a guy with high potential, but with an extremely arrogant attitude. I do think that Ho-Sang can be a solid player in the NHL, but I seriously doubt it would be with the Isles. Montreal may be able to turn him around, and considering that there will most likely be an overhaul on the team, Ho-Sang may be able to fit in. Plus, Montreal could desperately use offence, and Ho Sang brings that.


1.) 30 Mar 2018 16:34:33
Montreal I don't think would take Ho-Sang. seems like anyone who has some ice off issues. or whatever, gets shipped out. not always. but hardly ever see them bring one one in.
As for Lindgren, I'm not completely sold on the guy yet, however I would loke to keep him as the back up. everyone on hereknows I'm one of Prices biggest fans. however., even I am getting concerned about his health and his game . So, we need to keep good young goalie prospects.



18 Mar 2018 20:12:55
If Evander Kane doesn't resign with San Jose this year:

Max Pacioretty + Jordie Benn + Logan Shaw (rights) to the San Jose Sharks in exchange for Jeremy Roy + Marcus Sorensen + Paul Martin + 2019 1st Round Pick.

- The 2019 1st is conditional to Buffalo if Evander Kane resigns. so if he doesn't, San Jose can just deal it away. They dump Martin at the cost of Sorensen, and get Patches for Roy and an unconditional 1st.


1.) 19 Mar 2018 02:11:25
the only good piece we are getting is a first literally.

2.) 19 Mar 2018 03:50:12
There's really not even enough coming back to justify taking martin tbh. sorenson? Lol good one.

3.) 19 Mar 2018 10:24:46
Thing is, Martin is only on the books for one year, and his 4.5 is equivalent to Patches. Martins contract isn't all that bad when factoring in term. Plus, look at what some teams got back for their cap dumps:

Marc Savard was included with a 2nd Rounder for two AHLers.
Brooks Laich went with Connor Carrick in the Daniel Winnik trade.
Bryan Bickell and Teuvo went for a 2nd and a 3rd.

Paul Martin is at least somewhat servicable and could be something on a pretty terrible Habs blueline. Plus, if this deal happened at the deadline, there really is no issue with Martin, he'd simply be a cap figure.

4.) 19 Mar 2018 15:36:36
So are you saying pacioretty is a cap dump? are you trying to imply martin is equal to pacioretty? I'm just trying to figure out if you honestly think this is a good deal or if your trying to get a rise out of habs fans.

5.) 19 Mar 2018 16:56:55
No, he’s saying that sharks shouldn’t have to include massive assets to move martins contract because his deal isn’t that bad. Then he gives other examples of players with as bad or worse contracts that didn’t cost the team a lot to dispose of. Not saying it’s a good trade but stop looking for reasons to be offended lol.

6.) 19 Mar 2018 17:37:07
At no point does he say Martin is as good as pacioretty lol he says a 4.5 mill cap hit and a 4.5 mill cap hit switching places, both with a year left, makes it easy book keeping. That’s all.

7.) 19 Mar 2018 18:01:28
Massive assets? Sure an extra 1st round pick is always nice to have but I don't see much else in that offer. plus the pick is for next year and I'd be thinking the habs would want help a little quicker then that. Would you want martin on the leafs jim.? I mean if he wants to trade Paul martin and a 1st for jordie benn that would at least be worth doing from a habs perspective. if you want to unload martin it's going to take more then some scraps especially if you want back one of the top goal scorers in the league.

8.) 19 Mar 2018 18:07:17
Let's trade juulsen for Matthews close to the same cap hit makes for easy book keeping lol you do realize how stupid you sound jim defending this.

9.) 19 Mar 2018 18:10:37
Like martin is playing in the minors you both know that right? San Jose signed him and they don't want him anymore why do you think any team would trade anything for him? I mean Paul martin to toronto for matt martin would make more sense.

10.) 19 Mar 2018 18:15:10
It’s not a good trade for the habs. I agree. Patches is worth more. But when he said Martin and pacioretty made close to the same, he’s not implying a one for one swap is fair. He thinks the other assets included make it fair. I don’t think that, and clearly you don’t either. But he never compared martin to patches as equal players lol relax.

11.) 19 Mar 2018 18:19:31
Tavares to habs for Alzner, poehling, 1st and another prospect. Now Alzner and Tavares both make 5.5 mill or close to. So the money cancels out. Not saying it’s a good trade and that’s not saying Alzner is as good as Tavares lol it’s not difficult to see what he was talking about.

12.) 19 Mar 2018 18:22:20
Yes and the reason I asked if he was serious or not was so I could determine whether or not it was worth the trouble to try and explain how bad the trade was for montreal. It was certainly not cause I was offended by someone on here.

13.) 19 Mar 2018 18:29:26
We'll jim tavares is a ufa so that would be a stupid deal for montreal too unless he was signed. I hope you don't think montreal would unload pheoling and there 1st just to get rid of alzner.

14.) 19 Mar 2018 18:35:47
I’m not going to drag this on like last time and make everyone else suffer through it. I agree it’s not a good trade. You still want to argue with me even though I agree it’s not good. So I concede Habby. Good win.

15.) 19 Mar 2018 18:37:04
And alzner has a cap hit of 4.6mil not 5.5.

16.) 19 Mar 2018 19:19:14
Thanks jim I usually win.

17.) 19 Mar 2018 19:53:22
Naw lol, i just said cap hit was the same. And I though Jeremy Roy was pretty solid, 31st overall pick in 2015, progressing well.

And another thing is, that 1st is unprotected, and the Sharks are not a 100% playoff team. That could easily be middle of the pack, and could easily even finish in the lottery, depending if teams in the pacific (Edmonton, Calgary, Zona) pick it up as they were supposed to.

Plus, Roy and a 1st for a pretty one dimensional winger (no offence to Patches) is not that bad in my opinion. You're making Martin seem way worse than he is: for a team like Montreal that's going to be a bottom feeder, they can afford to swallow the cap for a year while getting another asset. And honestly, 1 year of Patches for a 1st and Roy is pretty similar to Kessel for Kapanen and a 1st. even tho the Leafs lost that deal. Kessel, with retained salary and term would be more valuable than Patches regardless, so i don't think this is that bad for Montreal. Maybe add in a 3rd or 2nd? Idk. But you're not getting Timo Meier or even Tomas Hertl + 1st for Patches. Just my opinion tho.

18.) 19 Mar 2018 20:02:32
Maaaybe Leblanc could be included? But I agree TSS it’s not a bad trade. Arguing with habby is like arguing with a wall. Pretty obvious the points you and unbiased were trying to make.

19.) 19 Mar 2018 20:24:49
@topshelf, leafs got kappy, 1st, 3rd, Harrington and spaling for kessel while sending a cpl plugs back (Tyler Biggs etc) . They flipped spaling for a second and then sent the 1st and 2nd to ducks for Freddy Andersen. I thought it wasn’t the best deal when they made the kessel trade originally, but how they managed the assets afterwards make it a win for me. We have Andersen, kapanen, and cap space because of it. Plus we probably don’t get Matthews if kessel and his 35 goals are still on the team. And penguins should feel they clearly won it as well.

20.) 19 Mar 2018 20:44:51
@Ebs, one word answers for Habby from now on ‘concede’ lol. I typed a paragraph agreeing and he fought back haha ‘concede’.

21.) 19 Mar 2018 22:25:54
What was kessels cap hit when he was traded? What was the team cap at that time? A lot of difference hey? Kessel didn't get much in trade because of his cap hit not because he wasn't good. Now where you guys are wrong again is when you say pacioretty is one dimensional. He hits he scores and he kills penalties. Kessel only scored so yes kessel is one dimensional so I think you guys know what it means but I think you should take a glance at some stats and then decide whether pacioretty is or not. Cause there are a lot of guys on your current beloved leafs that are more one dimensional then pacioretty. On top of that if your actual trade was pacioretty for roy and a 1st I would not have liked it because IMO roy has really not developed like I thought he would but I would not have bothered to say anything cause yeah that would have been a close proposal. But if you think the habs have to take on martin just to get something in return for pacioretty your not only biased but your also a word you all seem to throw around a lot here. Delusional.

22.) 19 Mar 2018 22:44:09

23.) 19 Mar 2018 22:54:27
Okay, but Habby, what do you think Patches could recieve? Patches is one dimensional, just admit it. There isn't much more to him: never will you ever hear of hi, in the category of Bergeron, Toews, or to a lesser extent, guys like Barkov, Matthews and Courturier. He simply isn't a defensive force, and is very relatable to Kessel. Kessel was at 8, and was retained to 6.8, which is more than fair over the next 6 years. In fact, its probably a bargain. Patches is a bargain at 4.5, but you got to remember, its a 1 year deal left. there's a risk that hell leave. And really, Paul Martin isn't that bad for Montreal. If you retain half his salary as Montreal, you could get something for him, and a team like Montreal could afford it tbh.


True with what you said about the Kessel trade. But when it happened, I, and probably you too thought it was a bit underwhelming, especially consideeing we sent a 2nd Round Pick (Pittsburghs nonetheless) back to Pittsburgh. That 2nd cancels the 2nd for Spaling, and the cap retention kinda cancels Harrington, uk? that's why I kinda feel Roy + 1st is pretty fair for Patches. Spaling was thoight of as a cap dump when the trade happened, and yet he got a 2nd. Its possibly with retention, Martin coukd do the same here.

Idk tho. I just feel that since its SJ and not a guarranteed playoff team, that 1st would be an excellent piece.

And @Ebs Ty and lol.

24.) 19 Mar 2018 22:59:54
And also, right now on the Leafs, the only guys I think of that are as 1 dimensional as Patches are Willy and JVR, and to an extent Bozie. And this isn't hate on Patches, its every game I watch with Leafs vs, Habs, he's always 'coasting', as Kessel used to do in Toronto. Some of the players on the Leafs may be on the same level as he is when it comes to defence, but at least they try harder than he does in the dzone. let's run through the forwards:

Hyman: better twoway
Matthews: better twoway
Nylander: even imo
JVR: worse twoway
Bozak: worse twoway
Brown: better twoway and plays with much more energy
Marleau: better twoway, at worst, is even with Patches.
Kadri: better twoway
Marner: his twoway is pretty even with Patches, but he plays with much better pace.
Komarov: better two-way
Kapanen: better twoway: again, great energy player
Plekanec: you know this one, better twoway

Even Johnsson and Leivo and Moore are just as good if not better.

Martins worse but lol who isn't he worse than?

25.) 19 Mar 2018 23:49:33
@TSS I’ve tried to explain that to him, it’s a waste of time. I have nothing against patches, and his cap hit is a steal. And there’s nothing wrong with having a one dimensional player on your team. Kings won the cup with gaborik playing a huge role, pens won with kessel back to back. The problem is when a guy like that is your best player, like patches in Montreal and like kessel was in Toronto. Not the making of a championship team. If pens are built around kessel and not Malkin and Sid, they’re a nothing team. And as good as gaborik was for the kings a few years back, without kopitar and carter ahead of him, they’re not winning that cup.

26.) 20 Mar 2018 00:26:31
And how you mentioned Bergeron, if leafs meet bruins in first round, Matthews is going to have a first hand look at what he needs to become. Bergerons line is the one that’s going to kill you on the score sheet and kill your best players chances too. As good as the leafs have been, they still need Matthews and Kadri to do what Bergeron does. A little more time and hopefully Matthews can put it all together. Facing berg in a 7 game series could be great for his development though.

27.) 20 Mar 2018 01:30:07
So essentially every player on the leafs are better then pacioretty. Isn't this what I've been saying you thought all along lol.

28.) 20 Mar 2018 01:32:05
Habby, You make yourself look like a complete idiot a lot of the time.

29.) 20 Mar 2018 01:32:56
I think patches could get a prospect and a mid range 1st rounder. Without having to take back a useless contract in the deal. If they can't get this then they should just keep him and either trade him at the deadline next year or re sign him.

30.) 20 Mar 2018 01:44:01
I wanted mtl to draft Roy in the first rd in 2015. He is a great mobild speedy but also good reliable defensively. Only problem is he dosnt stay heathy. Only 10 games last year and out for the rest of the season. That can slow an already usaly slow defensmen progression in the nhl. Wich means instead of being ready for a full time nhl role at 23 like he should of been he might only be they're at 25, 26 wich means the guy can't be worth a tone. How can you expect a guy who barely plays because of injurys in the juniors to develop in a more rough nhl. Therefore mtl should not touch him. Damage goods. How bout this instead


San Jose:Hertl, Conditional first

If Patches get 25+ goals the pick will stay a first. Otherwise no pick.

31.) 20 Mar 2018 01:48:22
*better two-way. Not better player. Nevr said dat.

And also, if i wrre the habs, i'd rather deal Patches now then wait for the deadline. Price will drop by then tbh.

32.) 20 Mar 2018 01:48:23
You would know yup. What are all the big talkers getting sookie? I guess it's cause someone is actually going back at them for a change. Instead of just hearing the same 3 or 4 guys on here criticize and call people names all day long. Put on your big boy pants guys remember your all keyboard warriors don't get sookie because of little ole me. Keep calling people out and telling them they are stupid and delusional for posting trade proposals.

33.) 20 Mar 2018 03:02:50
Ok TSS jacob de la rose is a better 2way player then william nylander. See how stupid that sounds?

34.) 20 Mar 2018 10:32:49
Yeah, but @habby you're the one who made the argumenr in the first place.

I do agree that JDLR is a better two way player than Nylander.

Your original argument was 'there are a lot of guys on your Leafs that are more one dimensional than Patches'. I retorted and named every Leaf forward, and proved that your argument is only true for three Leafs, which is true. You then accused me of saying 'every leaf player is better than Patches', which is comptely false. When I made that known, you said that the argument is 'stupid'.

Theres no winning there man, its plainly written out. I even agree that JDLR is a better two way guy than Willy. However, as Jim pointed out, if your team is focused around one, one dimensional player, like the Leafs were with Kessel, like the Habs are with Patches now, they won't go anywehere. Its just true.

And on a different note, I'm just wondering, why are you so opposed to taking on Paul Martins comtract? I''m legitimately just curious. Is it becUse it may hurt your teams chance at players in free agency? Do you think that you could acquire more if you take on Martin, and if so what? Because honestky, teams trade cap dumps a lot for minimal additions. We think that guys like Dave Bolland were going to get the sun and the moon and would be untradable: turns out the piece that he was traded with (Crouse) may not be as good as the 2nd he was traded for. And that's Bolland! ONE of the most untradable contracts ever! Martin can still play, and honestly, if Montreal retained 50% salary on him, could be traded out for even more assets.

Montreal needs to be doing this stuff. Turning 'cap dumps' into assets. For Toronto, we never thought ee could trade Nick Spaling, he wasnt doing anything. What happened? We got a 2nd for him. Eric Fehr? The guy who was waived and playing on a different minor league team? Gota 7th for him. Martin at 2.5 million would be able to go to a team that is desperate: and teams dp get desperate at the deadlije and make stupid moves.

35.) 20 Mar 2018 12:07:47
See that's the thing. You're not listening. You're not delusional for posting proposals. You're delusional for your arguments. And you're being called out now by a lot of people. It's been a sad two weeks or so from ya man.

36.) 20 Mar 2018 12:42:33
The thing that makes me laugh is that his hatred for me all started because we were asked ‘why people value Simmonds more than pacioretty’

My honest answer was that pacioretty is a great offensive threat on a great contract but doesn’t do much else. He’s more one dimensional than Simmonds. When he’s not scoring, there’s not much else there. As where Simmonds can affect a game in lots of different ways and will be 10 pts or so less, but the other things he does, like crash nets, get under opponents skin, can fight to change a games momentum, be harder to play against when the games get tough make him my choice.

He will repeatedly throw that in my face and say it’s outrageous and just me being a hab hater and yet what he will never bring up is that in the same week we were asked ‘marner or tkachuk’ and I said both are great at what they do but I would lean towards tkachuk and I quoted almost the same 4-5 points why. So picking a flyer over a hab is delusional and just hating and being biased, And using the same reasoning for picking a flame over a leaf is what?!?! Lol.

37.) 20 Mar 2018 12:58:10
Holy s?! t’! Ok, patches and drouin for Crosby and malkin? Not even close unless I guess you’re a Habs fan, admit it’s a rebuild time and when teams do that, they sell off their best players for picks and prospects, sometimes need a player back to make the books work, not like Montreal is going to make the playoffs anytime soon. They just signed price to a ridiculous contract and stuck with him unless can find some sucker to take him before July 1st. Habs fans I just guess don’t understand what a rebuild is. we want a equal value player for patches! , no, you get picks and prospects.

38.) 20 Mar 2018 14:47:21
Try not to judge all habs fans by this. leave me out of it. probably Sosa too, lol.

39.) 20 Mar 2018 15:22:32
@Thunder. I’m well aware that you and Sosa are not in the same group, even universe lol it’s just got to a point where he’s not even a habs fan anymore, he’s an everyone else hater lol just miserable looking for fights. When you put up a fight with someone for disagreeing with you, fine, but if i write a paragraph agreeing with him, he still picks one word from it to drag the fight longer lol.

40.) 20 Mar 2018 15:28:24
Also Thunder, from another habs fan opinion, is pacioretty a great 2 way player? I don’t watch every minute of every habs game like I do of the leafs, but have seen him play a lot over the years and don’t see it at all. Am I out to lunch saying if patches is your best player, you’re not a cup caliber team? Or do you see him as a guy you can build around, like in a playoff game you want him on the ice with 2 min left whether you’re up a goal OR down a goal?

41.) 20 Mar 2018 19:18:40
Great 2 way player - No. I like him, great scoring touch and what kills me is he has the size to be a better 2 way player. He gets a lot of criticism for it as well - he would lay out a great hit if he did it more often. But he is offensively minded.
Is he our best player. have to say that right now he isn't because he is having a down year. But if you go back to a season ago - ya, he was our best forward. but if you have price playing at his peak; that guy is damn good.

Would i build a team around him - no. I understand that his own team voted him in for the 'C' but he wasn't up against much at that time. Personally, building around a winger really hasn't proved to work in the league we are in right now. That being said, i would rather keep him on my team and get a real 1C and see what he can actually do.

Trade value - pretty much see him getting a 1st round mid-pick and a decent prospect. Or possibly an A prospect with a 2nd and have a condition if he resigns it becomes a first. That might be too much, but being a habs fan i think i'm always going to overvalue my guys - just hope it isn't drastically delusional.
I typically don't respond to too much on here, although i check the site a few times a day and read pretty much everything. So who knows. maybe I just haven't had the chance to be told I'm insane yet, lol.

42.) 21 Mar 2018 00:46:20
Your sane Turkey. plus ya have the best name on here
and I agree with what you said bout Patches.

43.) 21 Mar 2018 04:07:29
That’s exactly how I see him. It’s like JVR too. He’s 6’3 ans well over 200 pounds. Should be more physical, but the way he plays works for him. However I have no problem admitting that JVR is a one dimensional support piece, not a centrepiece of a great team. If JVR was leafs best forward (like he was 2 years ago after kessel was traded) you’re not a good team, and leafs finished 30th and got Matthews that year lol now when pacioretty is supposed to be the best forward in Montreal and they don’t get out of this world goaltending from price for once, they’re a lottery team. Not a coincidence. Habby just can’t see that.



03 Mar 2018 17:14:35
Quick Thought:

Edmonton could use a speedy, shift winger for Connor McDavid. Their LW depth is pretty bad, so heres a deal I think could work:

Mats Zuccarello + Brendan Smith to the Edmonton Oilers in exchange for Milan Lucic + Anton Slepyshev + Kailer Yamamoto + 2018 2nd Round Draft Pick + 2019 2nd Round Draft Pick.

Lucic for Smith is essentially a cap dump, with NYR getting the better player, but with a longer cap duration and a higher AAV. NYR, trying to burn their team to the ground in order to rebuild, could use identity, and Lucic could bring that. As for Edmonton, they get a dman (#6 at best), who alleviates 2 million of cap per season. The difference in total cap is 18 million (two extra seasons at 6 million, plus 2 million per year extra), so Edmonton adds in another 2nd Round Pick to compensate.

Then there's Zuc for Slepyshev, Yamamoto and a 2nd. Slep is a roster player who could be used to to replace the minutes lost by Zuc. he's not worth much, but NYR would take a chance on him. Yamamoto is the biggest piece, and he could really turn into something for NYR. Edmonton would obviously be reluctant to give him up, but to get a talented winger, you have to give something up, and they wouldn't be giving up their basically guaranteed top 10 pick.


1.) 03 Mar 2018 17:33:48
Zucc is old and only has one more year left on contract. I agree they will go after a top 6 winger in the off season. But would target someone else in my opinion. Especially if giving up Yamamoto who they believe to be the top 6 winger with speed anyways. I think they will keep Yamamoto anyways.

2.) 03 Mar 2018 17:48:33
Zucc wouldn’t be a bad option for the right price but I agree with yup. If Yamamoto is involved, they will want a closer age gap, like mid to late 20s. Skinner, maybe Hoffman, possible patches, or really young like a drouin type, that needs a change of scenery.

3.) 03 Mar 2018 17:50:01
Before Habby jumps all over that, I’m not saying drouin needs a change of scenery from Montreal. I was talking about when habs got him from Tampa. Just to be clear. Wasn’t saying anyone would ever want out of Montreal!

4.) 03 Mar 2018 18:04:58
Jim your opinion unlike your user name is believable sometimes. Lol.

5.) 03 Mar 2018 21:25:26
Ya a no from oilers yikes.

6.) 04 Mar 2018 10:24:49
No from New York. Zuck could get Puljarvi +Bear imo.

7.) 04 Mar 2018 13:33:48
30 year old zuccarello with one year left in his contract can get both those prospects under 20 years old?
You really are such an idiot troll. It's sad.

8.) 04 Mar 2018 18:19:48
Why is luck a cap dump tho. He's producing okay and still early 30s. I'd say he's worth a 2 rd pivk.

9.) 04 Mar 2018 18:29:21
Shouldn't it be troll65? In what world would edm give up all that for a one time 20 goal scorer that's 30.so bad for edm.

10.) 05 Mar 2018 18:10:10
Zu is a hot commodity you want him you pay the price. If you don't somebody else will. Pul is looking more like a top 9 forward like Namestikov then anything else.



25 Feb 2018 16:47:18
Plekanec and Kyle Baum to the Leafs in exchange for Kerby Rychel, Rinat Valiev and a 2nd.

I like it. Better 4C than Moore, and Rychel and Valiev are nothing, but could get a shot with a Montreal team that will sell fast.


1.) 25 Feb 2018 16:52:15
And 50% salary retained on Plek. As most predicted, Plekanec with salary retained would get a 2nd.

2.) 25 Feb 2018 16:53:24
thats a good trade for both teams i like it.

3.) 25 Feb 2018 16:55:26
Yeah I guess it's better then the 3 rd people thought he would get. Rychel and vailev are really nothing special but baun is worse then both.

4.) 25 Feb 2018 17:12:05
Yup. Rychel could be something for you guys. He just has an anger problem. he demands to play, but isn't like a 2nd liner. He could become something though, he does have talent.

Valiev is nothing tho. Legit nothing. he was #6 on the Marlies d chart.

Baun also looks like nothing, but could be decent depth for the Marlies.

5.) 25 Feb 2018 17:26:18
Habs may have taken a lesser deal since Plekanec didn’t want to go to a west team. He may be back with the team next season.

6.) 25 Feb 2018 17:40:26
Seems ok. never heard of baun. Funny how leafs fan now say valiev and Rychel no good now that there r gone.

7.) 25 Feb 2018 17:51:24
What do you mean @balsam? Lol.

Valiev always was bad. Like not bad, but he was never good. He was just meh. Never going to be an nhler.

And Rychel was decent, just had issues and Toronto is STACKED on the wings.

8.) 25 Feb 2018 18:43:04
Great trade for both team for now, let see in the futur.

9.) 25 Feb 2018 19:28:25
You’re a tool balsam. You group all leaf fans together once again. One leaf fan said that “Valiev is nothing” but actually stated that “Rychel could be something for you guys. ” Get your facts straight and try keeping your head out of your ass when you comment. You’re always negative towards the leafs. At least Plekanec can enjoy the playoffs.

10.) 25 Feb 2018 20:49:27
Valiev is depth D at best. Rychel May get it together and be a bottom 6 forward but far from a sure thing. Baun is leafs great Bobby Bauns grandson, so they probably had nothing much of value to choose from and so went for a good story connection and hometown kid instead of just another random minor leaguer. Also this trade is 3 for 2 and habs retaining 50% which means leafs have 3.4 mill in cap space and 2 free contract spots now (after soshnikov trade) for more moves if they want. Plek wasn’t my top choice, but I like the deal overall.

11.) 25 Feb 2018 21:53:32
Of course you like it now jim lol.

12.) 01 Mar 2018 17:50:17
Typical response leafs17. Whenever some one doesn't agree with you, you resort to name calling.

The build up for your players is only exceeded by the bashing one they are gone.




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31 Mar 2018 17:46:37
Playoff Predictions?

Here are mine:

Tampa Bay vs. New Jersey -> Tampa in 6 games.
Boston vs. Toronto -> Toronto in 7 games.
Washington vs. Columbus -> Columbus in 7 games.
Philadelphia vs. Pittsburgh -> Pittsburgh in 6 games.

Nashville vs. Colorado -> Nashville in 5 games.
Winnipeg vs. Minnesota -> Winnipeg in 5 games.
Vegas vs. St. Louis -> Vegas in 7 games.
San Jose vs. Anaheim -> San Jose in 6 games.


Tampa Bay vs. Toronto -> Tampa Bay in 6 games.
Columbus vs. Pittsburgh -> Columbus in 7 games.

Winnipeg vs. Nashville -> Winnipeg in 7 games.
San Jose vs. Vegas -> San Jose in 6 games.

Tampa Bay vs. Columbus -> Tampa in 5 games.
Winnipeg vs. San Jose -> Winnipeg in 6 games.

Tampa Bay vs. Winnipeg -> Tampa Bay in 6 games.


1.) 01 Apr 2018 09:00:08
#1 Boston will play NJ (or whoever gets 2nd WC)
#2 No way on earth TOR beats BOS in any series
#3 Right now, no way TB wins the cup, last two months have been pretty bad and PK is atrocious, won't get them far in the PO.

2.) 01 Apr 2018 12:08:13
@triplets Toronto has won like 7 out of there past 8 meetings or something like that so i wouldn't be so sure that Toronto wouldn't be able to beat Boston in a playoff series.

3.) 01 Apr 2018 14:32:28

I agree that Boston could win the division, and is looking more the case as the season winds down.

I disagree with you saying Toronto could never beat Boston, Toronto is one of the few teams that Boston struggles with because of our utter speed and youth. A battered Boston team (w/ o Carlo, etc. ) could be at the taking for Toronto.

And as for Tampa, I think they turn it around come playoff time, and I think they get their heads straight and figure out most of their issues.

4.) 02 Apr 2018 00:07:22
It’s all a guess and a lot can change on any team with hot streaks/ cold streaks and injuries. But to say there’s no way on earth Toronto could ever beat Boston is dumb. I’m not saying it’s easy, but they definitely have as good of chance as anyone else.

And yes @Charles, bruins are 1-7-0 against leafs in last 2 seasons.

5.) 02 Apr 2018 08:09:56
Lol idk why you guys take this so literally. All I was trying to say was I'd def choose BOS in a series between BOS and TOR. It's the NHL playoffs, no team is without a chance in any series, the NHL is way too even. But I think BOS would be the heavy favorite and also think their style of play fits the playoffs much better.

6.) 02 Apr 2018 17:17:11
leafs vs tampa and it goes 7, i take the leafs because i'm a fan and vasy looks tired. like triplets said pk is terrible.

triplets you are corrupt.

7.) 03 Apr 2018 08:44:54
gotta agree with that, right now I'd prolly say TOR in 5 or 6.



18 Mar 2018 22:19:29
If, by the draft, Toronto feels Calvin Pickard and/ or Garrett Sparks are ready to be full time, good NHL backups:

Curtis McElhinney and Matt Martin to the New York Islanders in exchange for the rights to Thomas Hickey and a 2nd Round Draft Pick (CGY) .

- I just commented on anothers posters post about Phillip Grub to the Islanders, and I felt that that may not be the right direction for them to go in because they need a proven NHL starter. Again, I stand by those words. However, McElhinney would not be put into a starters position, he'd be a backup to another goalie that the Islanders would acquire (Craig Anderson, Antti Raanta, Jacob Markstrom, Cam Ward. someone with starter experience) . Macs numbers are extremely solid, with a 2.09 GAA and a 10-4-1 record. He also has 3 shutouts in those 15 games. A mid 2nd would be a fair price to pay for an above average backup tbh.


1.) 19 Mar 2018 00:30:20
Woah. Too much for those two. Easy No from Islandees.

2.) 19 Mar 2018 10:26:26
Yeah, that's what I thought. Maybe a 3rd? Idk. Cause Mac has been phenomenal this year, and a team like the Islanders would be desperate enough to try and acquire him. With Macs stats, I wouldn't take less than a 3rd tho, he's been unreal.

3.) 19 Mar 2018 15:29:54
I don't really see where it's a lot considering hickey is a ufa that you would still have to sign even after aquiring his rights. No guarentee he signs. could turn out to be just a 2nd for martin and mac. And if there is one team in the league that might want martin it could be the islanders.

4.) 20 Mar 2018 02:44:17
@TSS he’s been great as a back up, but he’s 34. He’s not one of those back ups that you hope to acquire cheap and hope he becomes your starter. He is what he is. He been great behind the busiest goalie in the league. But he’s not a guy I’d put a ton of faith in starting a ton of games which is what isles would want. I think they have younger guys that they can get without trading those assets to play 15-20 games.



13 Mar 2018 23:50:14
Which 5-Man Squad would you rather have?
(Ignore contracts, term, entry-level status: just focus on the players)

Squad A:
(D) Aaron Ekblad (2014 1st Overall Pick)
(C) Leon Draisaitl (2014 4th Overall Pick - Redraft would have him 1st/ 2nd Overall)
(C) Connor McDavid (2015 1st Overall Pick)
(W) Patrik Laine (2016 2nd Overall Pick)
(C) Nolan Patrick (2017 2nd Overall Pick)

Squad B:
(C) Jack Eichel (2015 2nd Overall Pick)
(C) Auston Matthews (2016 1st Overall Pick)
(C) Nico Hischier (2017 1st Overall Pick)
(D) Rasmus Dahlin (2018 Presumed 1st Overall Pick)
(W) Andrei Svechnikov (2018 Presumed 2nd Overall Pick)

For me, this is super close. I'd probably lean towards Squad B because the talent level seems to be very close between the players. Idk tho.


1.) 14 Mar 2018 03:30:25
I think the two best players are on squad A so I'd have to go with that one.

2.) 14 Mar 2018 03:32:14
McDavid and who cares. He is the best player. He makes everyone bettet.

3.) 14 Mar 2018 04:07:48
We'll van city apparently he doesn't make lucic better but yeah he's still the best there.

4.) 14 Mar 2018 04:23:03
Ahahahha he can’t make Lucic better, A player that has scored 30 goals in the past and isn’t even 30 years old yet but people still think Mcdavid is better Crosby.

5.) 14 Mar 2018 09:29:30
Easily A.

6.) 14 Mar 2018 16:18:49
The group with Drouin.

7.) 14 Mar 2018 22:43:43
Group A because group B has 2 players who have never played in the NHL. If you had them on 2 different groups, would be a more fair question. Best player is clearly on group A, and then Matthews in group B I think is next with Laine 3rd, although lately Laine has definitely made a case for himself while Matthews has been out hurt.

8.) 15 Mar 2018 04:12:25
But but but biased jim rasmus dahlin is already better then bobby orr eventhough he's never played an nhl game.

9.) 15 Mar 2018 13:17:36
I’ve never said anything remotely close to that lol I said he’s a lot better than the guy being taken 5th or 6th and that pro scouts say he’s further ahead in his development than Karlsson was at the same age.

10.) 15 Mar 2018 16:07:33
So he has the value of 2 lottery picks and 3 2nd rounders but he's not any good. Make up your mind man.

11.) 15 Mar 2018 16:35:07
You’re showing the tool you are. In bright colours. You have this bitterness that's comes out whenever someone says the habs aren’t great or made a dumb decision. Get that in check before you’re mark Lepine 2.0 over a game man.

12.) 15 Mar 2018 16:40:47
Last week I thought after a cpl days of working how great every Canadiens player was and kissing your ass in every reply, it would give you some peace and we could go back to being honest again but apparently you weren’t ready for honesty yet. Montreal will be a powerhouse soon enough with or without Dahlin or any other prime player to build around. They are well on their way to it already with Victor Mete, Charlie lindgren and drouin as the three young guys in the most important position. Plus add in their first rounder from last year who said “it’s exciting being picked by such a great organization like the Maple leafs” moments after being picked by the habs haha.



13 Mar 2018 15:47:15
Just a question:

If Seattle was to get an NHL team with an expansion draft involved, would you prefer to see a different type of protection system for that draft?

Cause looking at Vegas right now, they got a boatload of talented players because the expansion draft only allowed minimal protection. Players like James Neal, David Perron and even MAF are too good to be lost. They should be compensation if the expansion team decides to pick a bad contract, or whatever.

Cause for teams who build a stackes team (Nashville, Minnesota), they're losing a really good player for no reason.

In this future draft, Carolina would certainly lose a guy like Haydn Fleury, Toronto would lose a guy like Connor Brown, Nashville would lose one of their good forwards if they protected 4/ 4. It just doesn't seem right tbh.

I'd prefer a protection scheme of:

10 skaters and 1 goalie.


1.) 13 Mar 2018 16:32:59
Or something like 12 skaters/ goalies, so you can protect like two goalies and ten skaters.

2.) 13 Mar 2018 18:06:17
Well now the table has been set as to say by the previous expansion, I can't see them changing it. I was/ am not a fan of the last expansion draft., I think of teams like Nashville, Columbus ect who had to suffer through some really tough years to begin there franchise. now I think that way was a little to harsh, somewhere in the middle Of like to see.
Good on Vegas for taking advantage of the expansion draft and doing a great job with it however.

3.) 13 Mar 2018 20:51:04
To be honest, i think the success of Vegas has a lot to do with the amount of scouting they did. Even after i saw the team picked i thought - meh. A lot of those guys were just not getting the ice time they deserved or were capable of taking on with their previous teams because of who was in-front of them.
Also, don't think you should be able to protect 2 goalies per team. the expansion team wouldn't stand a chance for years. Not often you get a team with MAF and Murry as their 1/ 2. probably should have traded MAF to NYI before the draft for some good assets.

4.) 13 Mar 2018 20:57:19
Would you be saying the same thing if they weren't overachieving.
The fact that all those players came together with the same sense of "my team didn't want me" and created a tight group that has gelled so well together, is impressive. No one really saw it coming. Helps that about 15 players are having career years. I think they are the definition of a team and teamwork. Good for them.

5.) 13 Mar 2018 23:21:54
Turkey and yup got it right. I'd be shocked if the Seattle team came in with the same rules and were even competitive. on top of this being arguably the biggest suprise of the season with Vegas over achieving at pretty much every position teams will probably not make the same mistakes they did last year which allowed Vegas to pick up a few good players. and tbh I can't see Vegas making the playoffs next year or getting out of the 1st round of the playoffs this year.

6.) 14 Mar 2018 00:41:41

Naw, I just genuinelly don't feel that its fair for teams like Columbus, Nashville and Minny to lose quality players that they got through hard building. Idk. Especially with James Neal. I felt like he was a prime reason why the expansion draft rules/ protection limits were kinda flawed. he's a 25+ goal scorer and is still at a relatively decent age. Someone from Nashville that would've been fair would've been like Colin Wilson, or Austin Watson or someone like dat. Those are like the real 'cast-offs' who need a new home. That might just be my opinion tho. Hopefully i explained it decently, lol.

7.) 14 Mar 2018 01:27:54
I think this system works. It gives an expansion team a chance to win right from the start. Vagas' success is not just because of the players they picked up. It also has a lot to do with coaching and style of play. They were winning games with AHL goalies. It also helps new markets. They are on the front page of the papers for good reasons not because of how bad they are.

8.) 14 Mar 2018 22:57:01
Nashville and Columbus etc were not paying $750 million for a team, plus arena, leases, equipment etc. This is a $1.25billon investment in the NHLs product as where 20 years ago I’d be shocked if it as more than $250-300 million. The NHL and the owners that get those expansion fees are very aware that if you want that kind of money to be part of your league, these guys want some advantages to be good teams and compete sooner to start making back that massive start up cost. New Owners won’t put out that kind of money up front if they aren’t going to have a legit shot at playoff revenues and deep runs for 10-15 years.

9.) 14 Mar 2018 22:59:37
Also I agree that Vegas is not the typical scenario and Seattle would have a better team than Columbus and Atlanta etc of the start, but I would bet my house on them not repeating Vegas’s first year success. This is one of the most unbelievable instant chemistry stories in sports history, not just hockey.



10 Mar 2018 13:34:55
John Tavares Speculation:

If I was John Tavares, here would be the three teams that I would like to go to (and, I think that these teams are also realistic bets to land him) :

1. Vancouver Canucks
2. Carolina Hurricanes
3. Colorado Avalanche
HM: Vegas Golden Knights

Hear me out. They're all below average teams right now, but they all have their feet going in the right direction. JT won't go to Toronto, Toronto simply can't make it work with the contracts of the big three + flexibility for other players like JVR. I for one would certainly be opposed to paying two centres (Matthews and JT) a combined 22+ million. And if JT was to come to Toronto, he'd have to take a huge pay cut, which won't happen. As for Montreal, they're too disorganized for a superstar like JT. The Islanders are such a hole of misery because of Garth Snow, I doubt he'd want to go back. Many of the really 'good' teams (Pittsburgh, Dallas, Winnipeg, Tampa Bay) either have no cap space or no need for another really good centre. St. Louis may be the only 'good' team I could see having a chance at him at a big contract price, but I still don't think STL is the best fit.

The reason I have Vancouver at 1 is because they'll have 14 million in space when the Sedins are off the books - plenty for Tavares. Add in a likely Brandon Sutter buyout and there's even more room. Plus, Vancouver is on the upswing. Petterson looks to be solid next year, Horvat and Boeser and contributors right now, and guys like Kole Lind, Jonathan Dahlen and Adam Gaudette are there for the future (as well as whoever they get this year in the draft) . A centre core of Tavares-Petterson-Horvat is filthy, and Horvat is signed to a really good deal. If they can pick up some decent dmen to go along with Juolevi, they're d would be nice as well. I see the future here being too nice for JT to pass up.

In Carolina, there's a lot of cap space, and a vacant 1C spot. It seems like the only thing Carolina is missing is that 1C, everything else, their wingers, their d, and even Scott Darling, is good. They just can't rely on Jordan Staal and Victor Rask as 1C's when they simply aren't. JT would make Carolina an instant playoff threat, and when the defence fully matures, they could be a Stanley Cup contender. Plus, the team is on an upswing, can't see why JT wouldn't like that.

As for Colorado, they too have a ton of cap space. And they are looking solid this year, despite having a lack of depth on the team. Imagine a 1-2 punch of MacKinnon and Tavares. I mean, the team is young enough, and has the cap space to do it. If the Avs wanna be competitive in the ever competitive central division, I think bringing in JT is the right idea. Itll be a lot of cap, but itd be worth it, considering they've shattered expectations this year.


1.) 10 Mar 2018 15:07:46
1st unless the sedins retire which I doubt. The Canucks will resign them albeit at a cheaper contract but considering they were still probably the 2nd and 3rd best players on the team last year they ain't signing for chicken feed. Also a couple of those prospects might be high end, with the exception of Patterson who I feel is nhl ready right now. The rest could all be 2 to 3 years away from making any kind of impact. will tavares sign with a team that might be good in 3 years? Or will he want to win now? Colorodo and Carolina are in much the same boat just a little further along. both are lacking in a area which keeps them from being good avs need defence which tavares doesn't help and the canes eventhough could use an upgrade at center really need goaltending.

2.) 10 Mar 2018 16:26:06
I wouldn't count out Montreal.

3.) 11 Mar 2018 05:19:59
I’m going to be honest, I stopped reading after Carolina. Charles Wang owns the islanders, he’s a very hands on, almost too hands on kind of owner. They have the arena location disaster going on. Carolina just got a brand new owner who is already meddling within hockey operations and pushing buttons that usually others do and being from Texas and already having expressed interest in an NHL team in Houston before he bought the hurricanes, I don’t see this as the ‘stability’ that Tavares leaves the islanders for. On top of that you said Darling is good. That just halted the reading right there. He was brought in and signed to a 4 year contract to be the starter, played 30+ games with a GAA of 3.09 and a save% of .890%. Now I’m not saying he’s never going to be better than that, but what about that season tells you he’s good enough to be a selling feature to a superstar signing?!?!

4.) 11 Mar 2018 10:00:05

Tbh, I think it would be best for Montreal and JT to avoid each other.

For JT, he'll be going to a walking ball of mediocrity for the prime of his career. Montreal doesn't have the firepower on the wings or the stardom anywhere to compliment JT. Their defence is too old and slow and immobile in my opinion (Alzner, Benn, Schlemko) and their forwards are just not up to par. After Patches and Drouin, there's relatively nothing.

If Tavares went, the Habs would be better, but during his contract with them, I just can't see him winning a cup. He may make the 2nd round once or twice, but with a declining squad and an incompetent GM, it would be best for him to turn to a team on the upswing.

And for Montreal, would you real want north of 30 million tied into 3 guys up until they're all like 35 (JT) or 40 (Price/ Weber)? I mean, Weber and Price are long, long commitments, and adding JT to that just doesn't help with flexibility.

5.) 11 Mar 2018 16:49:14
I'm not saying having a 3rd guy with a huge contract is ideal. I can just see it happening. you make some valid points about the other contracts, slow D ect.

6.) 11 Mar 2018 21:36:22
We'll gallahger and galchenyuk have been better then patches and drouin this year so I guess that means there is relatively something.

7.) 12 Mar 2018 15:59:48
I think for JT when it comes to money - wherever he ends up, they will be paying top dollar for him. But i think outside of that - depending where he lands, he can make a lot more through endorsements and advertising. I can't see Carolina having a lot of opportunity with that, but in Montreal i think he could have a lot of additional opportunity off the rink to make money due to the culture of that city and fan base.
When it comes to the size of those 3 contracts i would have to say, possibly not ideal.

However - Montreal has had an unbelievable amount of turn over and the most inconstant chemistry that a core of those three might actually not be as bad as everyone thinks. The cap will continue to rise and everyone will be dealing with the same problems eventually.

8.) 12 Mar 2018 20:58:52
If mtl keeps Patches and now have Drouin and chuck at wingers with Gallagher, Byron, Lekonen, Hudon theurebis good wingers to play with. Mtl gets JT and Ryan Phoeing plays next year, watch mtl has one of the best offenses in the league.

9.) 13 Mar 2018 03:48:01
A lot of good points made about habs here and then colt has to say signing Tavares makes a very lacklustre offence, all of a sudden one of the best lol takes more than that. That’s like saying adding doughty to the leafs below average blue line makes them one of the best defensive corps in the league. No, it makes them better, but he’s still on of 7-8 guys on the blue line . And Tavares is still only one of 13 forwards.




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22 Apr 2018 00:58:55

Your not upgrading from a bottom 6 forward to a top 6 forward if your omly trading away a bottom 6 forward.




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18 Apr 2018 12:01:34
Sutter sucks @AO. he's been a 20-30 point guy. You’re saying he'd be a great fourth liner, that proves my point, at 3.5 million, he is an overpriced contract that is going to be added to a trade in order to lower the value that is going towards the Canucks. He can’t fetch 2 seconds, i don't know where you got that from (Shaw/ Eller maybe), but they were both traded before they were signed to bloated deals. Sutter already has one.

And as seen by multiple people, including non-Leaf fans like Yup, Liljegren for Tanev is an overpaymenr by the Leafs. I’d consider Dermott as the same as Liljegren, so that too would prob be an overpayment.




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16 Apr 2018 21:58:14
Which dimension of hell did Seabrook pop out from?

And, just no to the trade, like what the f***.




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15 Apr 2018 18:00:42
Eek that's bad for Toronto, want nothing to do with Webers declining play and huge contract.




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14 Apr 2018 13:49:18
Hopefully this is a troll. Please Brock, just admit your trolling. I mean, like there's no other explanation.





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