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04 Dec 2018 23:17:20
If Carolina falls out of a playoff position come Feburary:

Toronto Maple Leafs Acquire: Michael Ferland [LW- 1.75 Million x 1 Year] + Trevor van Riemsdyk [D - 1.15 Million x 2 Years (50% Salary Retention) ]

Carolina Hurricanes Acquire: 2019 1st Round Draft Selection + Joseph Woll [G - Unsigned] + 2020 5th Round Draft Selection.

Basically, Toronto acquires some depth on defence, to give Hainsey some nights off, and possibly Ozhiganov as well. Plus, if TVR is a 1.15 million, he helps with the cap crunch next year. Ferland is the big piece, and he helps with the lack of physicality on this Maple Leaf team.

Carolina would be out of the playoffs in this position, hence, they acquire futures, and the first is huge to get for a rental in Ferland. TVR is also added due to Carolina's surplus of dmen, and due to their cap space, they retain salary and get Woll back in return, a goalie who could be of help in the future, and could form a tandem with Ned.

Trading a 1st seems costly, but Toronto basically goes all-in with their roster, hoping to win a cup this year. Plus, the roster stays in tact, they get a rental who can provide physicality and a dman for next year. And remember, TVR was traded for a 2nd. Ferland ain't worth a 1st by himself, so Woll and a 5th makes up for the addition.

Toronto Lineup:
Marleau - Matthews - Nylander
Hyman - Tavares - Marner
Ferland - Kadri - Kapanen
Johnsson/ Ennis - Lindholm - Brown/ Ennis

Rielly - van Riemsdyk/ Hainsey
Gardiner - Zaitsev
Dermott - Ozhiagnov/ Hainsey.


1.) 05 Dec 2018 00:09:34

Very little here to disagree with. I always enjoy your proposals. Well thought out and make a lot of sense. I also like how you put the players salaries and contract durations in your posts as well. Extremely helpful in aiding the reader quickly assess a proposal. I think you are pretty close here in what you are suggesting. To be honest, the only thing I am not in full agreement is including Woll. Carolina has Nedeljkovic already. If we give them Woll, we lose our best goalie prospect. I kinda like the thought of having a highly rated goalie prospect in the organization to act as a hedge for Andersen if we feel we can’t afford to re-sign him and don’t feel comfortable enough with Sparks as starter.

Very good. If Carolina misses the playoffs this year they have a handful of decent UFA’s that will likely be shopped. Ferland is a good target. Not losing anyone off the current roster while bringing in Ferland and TVR can’t possibly hurt us in any way. If Carolina doesn’t get a better offer, then this trade has a chance at becoming reality.

2.) 05 Dec 2018 02:27:50
@LeafsGm. Check out Ian Scott. Woll is an extra year or two along maybe but this kid has a chance too. Was the goalie for the WHL vs Russia series and should be WJC goalie. Unbelievable numbers this year, albeit on a great team too, but with freddy locked up, Sparks still coming along and Scott tearing it up, I wouldn’t let Woll be the reason not to add what we need this year. We are all in for sure.

3.) 05 Dec 2018 05:23:26
Oh. Woll wouldn’t be a deal breaker or anything Jim. Just thinking out loud is all. Scott is having an outstanding year on an outstanding team. Speaking of Raiders, what do you think of Leason Jim? I mean, wow.

Scott is WHL goalie of the year. His gaa is so small I had to squint to see it. He’s a while away from making it as NHL starter though. Last I checked Woll ranked much higher, but that can change fairly rapidly.

This trade really doesn’t hurt us in anyway. And our 3rd string prospect player goalie is not a deal breaker by any means. If Leafs get a chance to pull trigger on a deal like this, I really hope they would. It just makes so much sense though that it probably wouldn’t get done.

4.) 05 Dec 2018 20:41:19
Ferland is out with a concussion, with not knowing if it's a long term injury and being a UFA after this season makes no sense for the Leafs to make that trade.

5.) 05 Dec 2018 21:15:22
I think that's definitely not enough for those two. To be fair I don't know much about Woll and his value (ik he's playing well at BC) but for a guy like Ferland who is a great type of player to have on a playoff team, plays with grit and is on pace for 30+ goals this year and seems to be growing every year (26 is still relatively young) TVR is a very solid middle-bottom pairing RHD, i'd say the leafs would have to throw in a guy like johnsson, wouldn't really have a big role on the Leafs and i think the hurricanes would want someone to help out their team immediately considering they're a tweener team. Def not a bad trade though.

6.) 06 Dec 2018 05:20:54
@shmoesports, I agree. Makes sense. I would add a piece, not sure of it would be Johnsson though. Maybe Johnsson and drop the later pick or something?

@pinball, if you’re thinking that trading pieces for guys that are older than what you’re giving up or on expiring contracts makes no sense, then you’re not ready to cheer for a contender lol that’s what they do. We are all in these next few years. Try to win the cup at just about all costs each season for the next 3 years before Rielly, Kadri and Andersen all need new contracts and it gets a lot harder.

Late firsts, seconds and decent young players are going to be moved out to bring it what you need each year and what we need this year is size and grit up front in a player that can still play with skilled players and contribute (Ferland) and D help, preferably on the right side who is mobile and can move the puck out of our zone quickly to the offense we have (TVR) .



20 Nov 2018 00:02:11
Dallas Trades: Gemel Smith [C - 0.720 Million x 1 Year] + Jason Robertson [RW - 0.825 Million x 3 Years] + 2020 2nd Round Draft Selection.
NY Rangers Trade: Mats Zuccarello [LW - 4.500 Million x 1 Year] + Fredrik Claesson [D - 0.700 Million x 1 Year].

If Dallas is serious about competing, they acquire one of the top UFA's on the market to shore up their depth. Robertson is a solid prospect, drafted 39th overall and is more than PPG for three years in the OHL, and a second is always good, so there is good value going towards NY. Gemel Smith is also young enough to become a 3rd/ 4th liner on a revamping NY team. [Would be a deadline move imo]

Dallas [Healthy] Lineup:
Jamie Benn - Tyler Seguin - Alex Radulov
Mats Zuccarello - Jason Spezza - Matias Janmark
Jason Dickinson - Radek Faksa - Valeri Nichuskin
Tyler Pitlick - Martin Hanzal - Blake Comeau

Miro Heiskanen - John Klingberg
Esa Lindell - Stephen Johns
Connor Carrick - Julius Honka.


1.) 20 Nov 2018 12:14:45
i'd do it from new york perspective, i'm sure they'd want a 1st in the package but the 2nd isn't bad considering they are getting 2 prospects.



14 Nov 2018 02:17:25
Spin on the Nylander sweepstakes.

Toronto Trades: William Nylander (RW [Extension] - 7.5 Million x 7 Years) + Josh Leivo (LW - 0.675 Million x 1 Year) + Eamon McAdam (G - 0.925 Million x 1 Year) + Justin Holl (RD - 0.625 Million x 2 Years) + 2019 3rd Round Pick.

Chicago Trades: Henri Jokiharju (RD - 0.925 Million x 3 Years) + Brandon Saad (LW - 6.00 Million x 3 Years) + John Hayden (RW - 0.750 Million x 2 Years) + Jan Ruuta (RD - 2.25 Million x 1 Year) .

Chicago is on an eight game losing streak. They just fired one of the best coaches in franchise history, and still are losing. Bowman may need to make a last ditch effort to save the team. Saad is definitely in the doghouse in Chicago and could use a change of scenery. His cap makes him less valuable, however, he could rebound making what Ny SHOULD make in Toronto. Jokiharju is the big piece, a young RHD who is playing well on a bad team. However, if Chicago wants to bring in a stud like Ny, either Boqvist or Joki is going the other way. Hayden is a grinder who could be nice in Toronto’s bottom six, and Rutta could help take some pressure of Hainsey every game.

As for Chicago, they acquire a stud first line winger to compliment Toews, or a solid 2C to compliment Patrick Kane. He could be a 60-70 point guy easily, and could give some more offensive depth to Chicagos top heavy team. Replacing Saad with Nylander is a big upgrade, despite the downgrade on defence. Leivo and Holl are decent enough depth guys, and the 3rd is good for Rutta.

Toronto Healthy Lineup:
Brandon Saad - Auston Matthews - Kasperi Kapanen
Zach Hyman - John Tavares - Mitch Marner
Patrick Marleau - Nazem Kadri - Connor Brown/ Tyler Ennis
Andreas Johnsson - Par Lindholm - John Hayden

Morgan Rielly - Ron Hainsey/ Jan Rutta
Jake Gardiner - Henri Jokiharju
Travis Dermott - Nikita Zaitsev
*Igor Ozhiagnov

Chicago Healthy Lineup:
Alexandre Fortin - Jonathan Toews - William Nylander
Alex DeBrincat - Nick Schmaltz - Patrick Kane
Josh Leivo - Artem Anisimov - Dominik Kahun
Chris Kunitz - David Kampf - Luke Johnson

Duncan Keith - Brent Seabrook
Erik Gustafsson - Connor Murphy
Brandon Manning - Gustav Forsling.


1.) 14 Nov 2018 04:45:17
I like how you targeted Chicago here. Big changes coming there for sure. You know what else I really like is how you always include salaries beside each player. Makes it so much easier to assess your posts. I always enjoy reading your posts because they are so well thought out.

My take in this trade is that Saad’s contract is a real boat anchor. I would be loathe to take that on if I was Leafs management. If we do Chicago that favor, then Jokiharju or Boqvist would have to be incuded to make this trade a reality.

I don’t like the idea of Saad as the cap dump to make salaries work, but love the idea of snagging Boqvist or Jokiharju. I’m not sure Chicago is looking at dumping their young stars yet. More likely an aging Keith or Seabrook get traded to cap floor team first. But if this proposal was floated, Leafs would have to seriously consider it I would think.

2.) 14 Nov 2018 17:45:15
No way Chicago sells the future to get rid if sadd, he's outta quenvilles doghouse so expect him to start producing, of course leafs would consider, same production sadd- nylander for cheaper, plus a huge upgrade on the garbage coming back, no brainer for leafs.

3.) 14 Nov 2018 21:24:36
nope. boqvist and jokiharju are going to be untouchables in chicago.



06 Nov 2018 21:56:55
Nashville Trades: Dante Fabbro [Unsigned] + Miikka Salomaki [0.750 Million x 2 Years] + 2019 1st Round Draft Selection.
NY Rangers Trade: Mats Zuccarello [4.500 Million x 1 Year] + Kevin Hayes [5.300 Million x 1 Year (50% Retention Additionally) ] + 2020 3rd Round Draft Selection.

- Nashville goes 'all-in' acquiring two of the best UFA's on the market. They can afford to part with Fabbro since they have all of their top four locked-up longterm. Strengthen up their depth as well.
- New York packages both of their best trade assets for two solid pieces, a 1st, and a young dman who simply, most likely won't have a place on a currently all-in Predators team. Fabbro helps with New York's lackluster defensive prospect pool, and an additional first is always welcome.

Nashville Lineup:
Forsberg - Johansen - Zuccarello
Hayes - Turris - Fiala
Jarnkrok - Bonino - Smith
Hartman - Sissons - Grimaldi.


1.) 06 Nov 2018 22:57:48
Arvidsson? 😱 as for the trade I think Nashville should keep Fabbro or the first and only go after one of the two players. 🤷🏻‍♀️.

2.) 06 Nov 2018 23:45:11
I think NYR can get more for those two guys. If you trade them each to different teams, should be worth combined a couple first round picks plus prospect players. You’re not exactly robbing NYR grave here, but you aren’t exactly handing them the key to a rebuild either: Fabbro is a question mark still, Salomaki is junk, and the 1st will likely be a mid 20’s pick. It’s more like a chevette than a corvette for NYR, if you see what I’m saying.

3.) 07 Nov 2018 00:26:21

I checked dailyfaceoff and they didn’t have him listed, lol.



06 Nov 2018 10:05:37
Toronto Trades: William Nylander (RW [Extension] - 7.500 Million x 7 Years) + Andreas Borgman (0.925 Million x 1 Year) + 2020 3rd Round Draft Selection.
Carolina Trades: Jaccob Slavin (LD - 5.300 Million x 7 Years) + Valentin Zykov (LW - 0.675 Million x 2 Years)

Just like Jones/ Johansen, Sergachev/ Drouin, Larsson/ Hall, I feel as though the only way Nylander gets traded is for ONE excellent piece, and other minor throw-ins from both ends. Jones/ Johansen and Larsson/ Hall were both straight up, Serg/ Drouin had some picks here and there, but its mainly player for player.
I feel as though Pesce simply isn't that number one dman that Toronto could need. If we're trading Nylander, I don't want Pesce + Ferland + X Forward, etc. It should be a straight swap imo. Zykov/ Borgman are simply included for positional depth lost. Slavin, although on the left side, is a solid shutdown dman, who would compliment Rielly well if Rielly played the opposite side.
As for Nylander, he'd be able to play 1C or RW on Carolina, and would be able to thrive as the big name in a market which can afford to pay him.

Carolina Lineup:
Teravainen - Nylander - Aho
Foegele - Staal - Williams
Ferland - Wallmark - Svechnikov
McGinn - Roy - Martinook

De Haan - Hamilton
van Riemsdyk - Pesce
Fleury - Faulk

Toronto Lineup:
Marleau - Matthews - Kapanen
Hyman - Tavares - Marner
Zykov - Kadri - Brown
Johnsson - Lindholm - Leivo

Slavin - Rielly
Gardiner - Zaitsev
Dermott - Hainsey.


1.) 06 Nov 2018 11:12:31
The way Reilly has played this year and last, he’s not the one playing the opposite side. The shutdown dman moves sides. Anyways, value wise doesn’t seem too far off.

2.) 06 Nov 2018 12:16:02
I don’t think it’s great value wise for Carolina tbh. Nylander is great as a winger hasn’t really proven himself as an NHL center and that’s a large contract. Slavin is just as good or better on the back end with a much nicer contract. Even if they are equal talent wise Slavin gets more value from contract and position. I also like Zykov a lot more than Borgman but that’s more personal preference I’m sure.

3.) 06 Nov 2018 12:38:51
There’s a lot to like about Slavin. But the thing I like most about him is his contract. If Carolina would make this trade, Leafs would be foolish not to take it. Slavin would be amazing on the team, and would be our replacement for Reilly in a few years when we are forced to trade him because we can’t afford to re-sign him.

Not sure Zykov would be the throw in. He was AHL player of the year last year and looks good so far on a hot Carolina team. They likely want to keep him.

4.) 06 Nov 2018 16:27:30
Nylander isn't going to get you a #1 deman, 7-8 million for 20 and 60 points playing with 1 of top players in the league, think leafs take a loss on this one, or let him sit until he's being more reasonable.

5.) 06 Nov 2018 17:55:46
Even with Pesce not being that number one D man you want, Are you expecting to get one for wider Nylander?
The rumor is Carolina is willing to part with one of Pesce or Faulk. Because they are both right handed and also have Hamilton on the right side. So they can afford to trade one of those three right handed guys. Not their best left handed guy Slavin. Slavin has more value than Nylander. Come on buddy you're smarter than this.

6.) 06 Nov 2018 17:53:59
Lol. Then you want a hot Carolina team to insert this winger hold out into their top line center?
Their top line of Ferland - Aho - Taraveinen are doing fantastic together. 😳😳.

7.) 06 Nov 2018 21:14:35
Slavin is closer in value to Mathews then Nylander. Most underrated player in the NHL by far. Slavin>Vlasic.

8.) 06 Nov 2018 21:59:10
Assumed this would be the reaction. I personally didn't think Nylander would come close to Slavin, but after Friedman himself said that Ghost + Simmonds for Ny + Gardiner is close [In his books, not an actual proposal or rumor, someone suggested it on an nhl. com video and he said he actually liked the idea], I felt as though we may be undervaluing Nylander.

But the contract dispute 100% discounts Nylander's value. It'll be interesting to see what he'd either get in terms of money from Toronto, or his value on the trade market.

9.) 07 Nov 2018 00:15:22

Slavin is closer to Matthews than Nylander? HAHAHA. Not a chance.

Slavin’s a damn good player, sure, but not without his faults: He’s not exactly outstanding either offensively or defensively. He’s not a heavy hitter, can’t fight, has difficulty clearing the net, and is a real pussy for a guy his size. He’s the same age as Rielly and has barely played half the amount of games. He’s a top 50 defenseman in the game, but not top 20.

Slavin doesn’t get you anywhere close to a player of Matthews caliber, and a player of Nylander’s capability is closer to reality. Leafs have to add, sure. But this trade is not ao far fetched. The love for Slavin expressed here is pure bromance.

10.) 07 Nov 2018 03:38:29
@yupp, a HOT Carolina team?!? They have lost 5 straight, 8 of the last 10 lol 5 pts of the last 20 available to them. 7th place in their division. That’s a HOT team? Is this info from the same website where you read ‘leafs are better without Matthews’?

11.) 07 Nov 2018 05:38:23
And with 18 goals as a team in those 10 games, there’s no need for them to want to add offense or change up there forward lines? Aho has 0g,2a. Ferland has 1g,0a and Teravainen has 1g0a in the 5 game losing streak. That’s a line that’s ‘doing fantastic together’ on a ‘hot team’?! Lol yeah. Wouldn’t want to mess with that chemistry and winning strategy.

12.) 08 Nov 2018 00:03:33
You even say “come on buddy, you’re smarter than this” to TSS while also saying Carolina’s a hot team haha the irony of those 2 responses is amazing. Poetic almost.




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18 Nov 2018 22:05:53
So, I guess there's an extra-special draft once every ten years or so? First I remember was 2003, and now there's 2015. I mean, I'm just going to list some of the players who have made an impact at the NHL Level or are late-round picks who are playing way over their draft status:

- McDavid
- Eichel
- Marner
- Hanifin
- Provorov
- Werenski
- Meier
- Rantanen
- Debrusk
- Barzal
- Connor
- Chabot
- Eriksson-Ek
- White
- Samsonov [Not there yet, but will make the show soon]
- Boeser
- Konecny
- Roslovic
- Juulsen
- Larsson
- Beauvillier
- Carlsson
- Fischer
- Dermott
- Aho
- Carlo
- Sprong
- Greenway
- Guhle
- Lauzon
- Andersson
- Dunn
- Klyington
- Bracco
- Cirelli
- Saarela
- Malgin
- Wolanin
- Jones
- Joseph
- Bear
- Kaprizov
- SImon
- Balcers
- Terry
- Gaudette
- Nuttivara
- Niku

I'm probably missing some, but my god. All of these guys have either made the show and played sensational, or are prospects who have a very, very good chance of making the show in the near future. And, there's also guys like Strome, Zacha and Crouse, who have played in the NHL, but have struggled.

But my god. What a draft.


1.) 18 Nov 2018 23:51:40
Ya. That's an impressive group. I know 1979 was another impressive group.
Speaking of drafts. has there been a worse top 3 than Yakupov, Murray and Galchenyuk?

2.) 19 Nov 2018 01:42:45
@sosa, that’s pretty bad lol

I remember that draft when Burke drafted Rielly to the leafs at 5 after Griffin Reinhart went 4th to NYI and he said he would have taken him 1st and that he was the best in the draft. He took a lot of heat for saying that as he said a lot of Outlandish things. But looking back, at the 30 1st round picks that draft, there’s some good players, Hampus Lindholm And Trouba etc. But going down the list and saying now at 24 years old, would I trade him 1-for-1 for any of them? The only guys that would be in that group is Filip Forsberg and Vasilevskiy, but one is a D, one a F and one a G. Hard comparison but he comment has become less controversial by the season as a lot of that first round haven’t lived up.

3.) 19 Nov 2018 03:29:13
Ya Jim, Rielly is better than almost all of them. Like you said Vasi and Forsberg.
I remember being upset cause we didn't pick Grigerenko. Lol. And now I know why I could never get a job as a scout lol.

4.) 19 Nov 2018 04:20:24
Dylan Strome will probably make it as a 3rd liner. Crouse has played a fair bit of games but is a bust could be a useful 4th liner. I’d include them.



08 Sep 2018 03:25:14
Erik Karlsson (No extension) + Bobby Ryan + Zack Smith to the Pittsburgh PENGUINS in exchange for Evgeni Malkin + Phil Kessel + KRIs Letang + Daniel Sprong + 1st.

Ottawa takes an insanetdowngrade on defence, barely upgrades on the wing, and slightly upgrades at centre, as Smith is easiky the best 3C in the league, while MAlkin is just a 2C. HOW insane can anyone be to think erik karlson gets less than this, erik karlsson is better than conor mcdavd and sidney crosby. MAlkin is nothing compared to him. See this is a real rumor!


1.) 08 Sep 2018 16:31:18
Wow! This trade is very poor for the Pens. Malkin alone would be a fair trade for an unsigned Karlsson rental. Kessel, Letang, Sprong and a 1st is way over payment for Smith and a Ryan with his crazy contract. No upside or long term value for Pitt. The Sens would jump at this trade a possibly trade off some or all of these players at the trade deadline for future assets.

2.) 08 Sep 2018 16:33:45
Take out Sprong, Add Crosby at %50'retained.

3.) 08 Sep 2018 17:38:29

Maybe Crosby @50, and then add on Murray too. But then ottawa woukd have to trade back Anderson whos 10x the goalie Murray is and clearly retracted his trade request. Ottawa has all the time in the world with this Kaelsson situation, see EK, Duchene and Stone all WANT to resign with the Sens!

4.) 08 Sep 2018 20:58:33
Ottawa declines because their owner is to cheap.

5.) 08 Sep 2018 23:42:41
Vbb is absolutely correct. Their owner doesn't want those expensive players in return.
Dorion would hesitate anyways and then counters with that package for Hagelin, 2019 3rd, 2020 6th.



03 Aug 2018 13:30:33
Yesterday, Jeff Skinner was traded within the conference, to another ‘bubble’ team for a rather underwhelming return. Possibly this is a trend for scoring wingers coming off of down years. As for Toronto, although extremely unlikely due to our pursuit for dmen, I’d like to see us try and acquire a full rental LW for cheap, since out depth on the left side isn’t the strongest (Marleau/ Hyman/ Johnsson) .

This scenario is unlikely since they are divisional rivals, but.

Max Pacioretty (LW - 4.50 Million x 1 Year) to the Toronto Maple Leafs in exchange for Jeremy Bracco (RW - ELC) + Josh Leivo (LW - 650K x 1 Year) + 2019 2nd Round Draft Pick + 2020 2nd Round Draft Pick.

Essentially a better return for Patches than for Skinner. Bracco = Pu; Leivo >> 6th; 2nd+2nd > 2nd+3rd. And I’d argue since Skinner is coming off of a better year than Patches, Skinner is worth more, but it makes sense that Toronto would pay more since they are in the division. This essentially loads up Torontos top6 and makes any line matchup impossible. As a rental, with the price of Hoff and Skinner being reduced to nil, Patches value must have also plummeted.

(Btw, i'm basing this on an assumption that Skinners value = Patches or is very close to it) .


1.) 03 Aug 2018 14:37:30
I’d do that from leafs POV.

2.) 03 Aug 2018 14:46:09
I wouldn’t want to pay any more than skinner got. So if you matched the picks (2,3,6), rather than us paying that extra second I think it’s fair. Skinner is coming off a good year and a great year before that which I would have more confidence in. Contracts end the same time so no advantage to one or the other there. Skinner has higher salary, so to some teams that makes patches more valuable, but doesn't affect us with $20 mill this season. (13-14 mill after Nylander) . Montreal May want more from us, understandably, because of the division rival thing, but they know we wouldn’t be resigning him and they know they aren’t competing directly for anything with us this season. So they should just take the best return regardless where it comes from.

3.) 03 Aug 2018 15:16:18
Or they could just keep him and see what happens between now and the trade deadline.

4.) 03 Aug 2018 20:10:10
If he has a down year like last year @Habby, on a seemingly worse Habs team (Kotka won’t play, Chucks downgrades as an offensive threat to Domi), idk if you’d realistically get much more. It’s worth the gamble I guess considering returns are extremely low right now, but looking at scoring winger trades in the past; besides Nash which was an extreme overpayment by Boston, they haven’t had very good return.

He could probably get a 1st at the deadline if he puts up similar numbers to last year, but I don’t think much more.

5.) 03 Aug 2018 21:25:21
A first would be a good return IMO for the habs. More picks the better. Plus the habs will have the ability to retain salary which is something I'm pretty sure carolina did not want to do. either way galchenyuk not being there will not influence pacioretty much if any at all. Domi on the other hand could probably work out we'll for him.

6.) 03 Aug 2018 21:34:51
Might be a pretty realistic post. Not what i would want back but i'm biased, lol.

7.) 03 Aug 2018 23:31:00
@TSS, the Nash one was a pretty good return but remember that they sent back beleskys (while retaining on it) bad contract in there too. So a portion of the return definitely goes towards covering that and not all for Nash. So a later 1st and Spooner who is the best piece in it, but bruins knew they couldn't sign him. Still a better return than a canes got for a whole year of much younger skinner tho for sure.



03 Aug 2018 00:02:01
Skinner to BUF for Pu, a 2nd and some other picks.

Man, Buffalo could be a team on a mission this year.




01 Aug 2018 13:33:10
I wanted to see peoples opinions on thse teams for the next five-ten years (They’re all younger teams; TB not included lol)

- Buffalo
- Toronto
- Philadelphia
- Carolina
- Winnipeg
- Vancouver
- Arizona
- Edmonton

I think that in the next five - seven years, the majority of Stanley Cups will either goes to these teams or Tampa. Cause the older teams would just fall away. My personal ranking, as with current prospects, lineups, picks, trades, etc.

1. Winnipeg
2. Toronto
3. Philadelphia
4. Buffalo
5. Arizona
6. Carolina
7. Edmonton
8. Vancouver.


1.) 01 Aug 2018 14:25:39
I believe that coaching, chemistry, avoiding injuries, depth and the use of their cap space will ultimately be the deciding factors in which teams have the most success in the future. All these teams have good young talent but talent alone usually doesn't win cups.

2.) 01 Aug 2018 16:44:53
A lot of time for things to change and mistakes to be made but pretty good list. I would put Edmonton ahead of Carolina and philly, mainly because of mcdavid tho. It’s a team sport and one guy can’t win for you in hockey like in the NBA, but if anyone can come close, it’s him.

3.) 01 Aug 2018 17:56:53
Philly if carter hart can become a real good number 1 goalie, like among the leagues best may have a shot. toronto edmonton and buffalo with all the top draft picks they have had should all be contenders soon. arizona Carolina and Vancouver all have a lot of work to do yet. but I mean Vegas made it to the stanley cup finals so I guess anything is possible.

4.) 01 Aug 2018 20:09:26
1.Winnepeg ( but it depends on what happens with Trouba and Wheeler could easily change)
2. Toronto
3. Buffalo ( they have a franchise Center and Dman + Midelstad who will be a stud and whoever they pick up next year. They can make it to the top potentially imo. )
4. Tampa ( if they get Karlsson things change but they need to work on that PK bad )
6. Arizona

The rest I don’t believe can amount to much because you can’t win a cup without good manegment and those teams need a change imo especially Edmonton. If they get a change then they could move up.

5.) 02 Aug 2018 09:33:52
Props for ranking BUF over TB, VB.

6.) 02 Aug 2018 09:35:20
Oil fans have been saying this for years. Lol but they have young depth in every position except maybe left wing. And who knows with goaltending, for any team really.
There young established NHLers are McDavid, Draisaitl and RNH. They have Puljujarvi and Yamamoto coming up with high potential. Young depth players in Khaira, Strome, Rattie and Aberg. (Not a fan of Cagguila)
On D they have a Nurse, Larsson and Klefbom as young established NHLers. They also have Bouchard, Bear and Jones who are young with high potential. Benning also a young depth D with some potential.
A question mark in net with Talbot (statistically he’s been solid/ average and should bounce back next season) but Stewart Skinner has a lot of potential.

Once some young guys step into roles, a couple bad contracts are off the books and they can sign some support players Oil could be a good team.

7.) 02 Aug 2018 21:04:23
I think I’d actually take buffalo over Toronto on my 2nd thoughts.

8.) 02 Aug 2018 21:15:35
If sabres forwards pan out, they won’t be as good as Toronto’s forward group maybe, but more than good enough. Plus they have high end d potential that we don’t have in Dahlin. But they really need to figure out goaltending. If the forwards take the next step and they get even slightly above average goaltending they will be good.

9.) 02 Aug 2018 23:49:23
I guess vbb’s is not entitled to his opinion triplets? Tampa is a good team but there are many others and there’s usually some underdogs that step up.

10.) 03 Aug 2018 00:14:40
Now added skinner, Buffalo should be pretty good I’m a year or two.

11.) 03 Aug 2018 05:28:09
Give them another year they look much better with Jack Hughs as the 2c.

12.) 03 Aug 2018 07:49:00
@Leafs17: So me saying props for ranking Team X over Team Y means me saying VB isn't entitled to his opinion?
You're really on the next level of stupid, pal.

13.) 03 Aug 2018 10:10:57
We know you’re a lightning fan pal. What were you getting at then? You must agree with vbb's.

14.) 03 Aug 2018 14:46:04
@TheTriplets I understand it’s an Outlandish opinion I’d just rather have a Eichel, Middelstad and Dahlin core then Stamkos, Kucherov And Hedman Core. Also I’m assuming they draft another star next season and grab a good goalie. But the Sabres don’t have Vaisalvsky that’s for sure.

15.) 04 Aug 2018 16:57:52
@Leafs17: What has me being a Lightning fan to do with this? I just said its a wild idea to think BUF has a better future outlook than TB, because those teams haven't been anywhere near each other the last ~5 years. While I agree that BUF is an up and coming team, there are no signs of TB slowing down, with them still having a relatively young team as well as one of the deepest prospect pools in the league.

@VB: How is this core better than TBs? Like, even assuming absolutely perfect development curves for the 3 Sabres, neither is going to be better than any of the TB players, no?
Eichel is really good, but will he ever be better than Stamkos? If so, it's prolly a coin toss. I like Mittelstadt as a prospect but will he ever score 100 points in the NHL? We don't know, but how would he ever be better than Kuch is right now? Dahlin is 18, if he develops perfectly he'll be as good as Hedman one day.
See what I'm saying? While all 3 TB players are already proven superstars, those BUF players are sure super talented but they need everything to go super well, just to be on the same level as the TB players.

16.) 05 Aug 2018 01:40:04
Fair enough triplets, I agree with you. I just don’t think you would’ve given vbb’s props had he put Buffalo over Toronto, but we all know he wouldn’t do that.

17.) 06 Aug 2018 08:25:43
Well my "props" were sarcastic anyways. It was meant like "thats a weird thing to do, VB"




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08 Dec 2018 20:37:31
Marcus, people are trying to dump him because unless your d is stacked, 4D don't make 4 million. that's why. Zaitsy is still capable, his contract is just bloated for his role.




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08 Dec 2018 02:01:21
NYlander and Liljegren/ Sandin? Even Colt suggested Nylander and Lil for Parayko AND Kostin. Lol Marcus.

And Zaits is a number 4/ 5,not a 7, lol.




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07 Dec 2018 20:48:59
So basically, Seabrook is worth a 1st more than Parayko

pinny, what goes through your mind buddy.




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07 Dec 2018 20:48:22
this is trash, greenways stock hasn't rise for nothing, that 1st is 26-31, Zaitsev is a huge downgrade from Parayko.

Stop this.




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07 Dec 2018 19:09:22
its kyrou in the trade, whos worse than thomas.

quick >> allen, even if he is injured, he brings more satbility when he's in the crease than allen ever would.

parayko >>> martinez. Agree with you, parayko is head over heels better. But to call martinez a 4/ 5 d isn't the right thing at all.

carter >> kyrou. carter is a proven asset, 60 point guy when healthy, any team in need of centre dOminance could use that. Maybe kyrou can be better but is a risk.





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