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23 Nov 2018 13:16:22
“I’m hearing that 6.9 mill a year gets @wmnylander in a @MapleLeafs uniform before December 1st deadline! My insider will remain anonymous! Goodnight Ladies and Gents.
But I believe they are still having trouble with Term of the deal! “

2 tweets from Marc Savard. Adding that to Mike Babcock comment:

“Our team will get better, we have significant pieces missing and they will be here”

Maybe it is coming together finally. And if they can get it long term, the cap hit will be near $10 mill this season and significantly leas for the next years.

Unbiased Jim

1.) 23 Nov 2018 13:49:51
Yeah that little cap loophole is definitely an interesting play. big hit this year when the Leafs can afford it, smaller hit the following years when they are going to be squeezed.

The question remains if that's on a bridge term or something longer (5 years +? )


2.) 23 Nov 2018 13:59:41
That's great news. With Mathews and Nylander injected into the lineup the Leafs could glide to a presidents trophy. Sitting 2 points out of first overall now, they should improve nicely with those two back? Basically like adding a top line, put any random third guy with them.

With how good Marner is doing now, I wonder how close to Mathews his camp will want to be?
What if Mathews and Marner took matching $11M to Tavares? All three at the same amount. Is that a crazy thought?


3.) 23 Nov 2018 14:07:59
IMO Marner at $11 mln is a pretty big reach. total guess but I would put him more in the $8-$9 range.


4.) 23 Nov 2018 14:36:42
I honestly think Matthews (along with Kapanen) is going to get a bridge deal. Due to his injuries, the leafs aren't fully aware of what Matthews can do and the amount of stats he can put up in 1 season. Matthews may also want to prove that he is worth more then 11 mill so I don't dought that he would be ok with a bridge deal.


5.) 23 Nov 2018 15:01:25
My guess is Matthews comes in over Tavares, under mcdavid, $11.5-12 mill and marner around $9-$9.5. People keep talking he will be $10mill+ and I’m sure him and his agent can look at Eichel and some others and justify. Marner plays wing like a Centreman, but bottom line is he’s a winger. When Nikita Kicherov makes $9.5 mill and that’s not on an outdated contract, it hasn’t started yet, that would be my top dollar.

The guys signed for the next 3 years would be

Matthews $11.5
Tavares $11
Marner $9.5
Nylander $6.9
Rielly $5
Andersen $5
Kadri $4.5
Hyman $2.25

And that’s your true cup window before Kadri, Rielly (2022/ 23) and Andersen (2021/ 22) need contracts. At that point you either can’t afford them or lose all your depth to keep them.


6.) 23 Nov 2018 15:26:17
Leafs still trying to sign Nylander while bergivan is out here signing over point per game players like domi at 3 mil a year hahaha jokes.


7.) 23 Nov 2018 15:40:19
@TheMostLeaf33, your logic makes sense on it. I just think players, especially one who has had injuries in the past, will take security more often than not.

These kids have so much skill and confidence that they want to bet on themselves, but if you have had injuries already and there’s a piece of paper needing a signature that guarantees you $92-96 million dollars whether you ever wear skates again or not, that’s tough to walk away from.

Not negotiating with a year left on your ELC and betting on yourself to get paid more is one thing, like marner is doing, but turning down 8 year deals at 21 is a whole different ball game.


8.) 23 Nov 2018 16:37:35
Eh Shadow, what about Marleau and Kapanen in your window now? They are note worthy aren't they there.
And you don't want anymore help on D, you don't believe in the phrase "defense wins championships" or you happy with what you have maybe? Best way to play defense is to always be on offense tho so you might be alright come playoff battles.


9.) 23 Nov 2018 17:18:52
That Domi contract is a real steal for the next two years for sure. too bad it's not as long as the $10.5 mln/ yr Bergie is paying Price for the rest of time.


10.) 23 Nov 2018 17:37:01
Marleau and kapanen aren’t signed beyond nextvuear and may not be back. That’s why they aren’t on that list of players signed for the next 3 years, because they are not signed for the next 3 years. Seems simple to me, but I guess not to everyone lol

Nylander should be signed by tomorrow seems to be the consensus of insiders, possibly today.

Also Bob McKenzie just tweeted that if the deal is for 2-3 years, the AAV he assumes to be $5 mill or just north of it. High $6’s if it’s a 6 year deal. So that’s what the reported top dollars from dubas was 10 weeks ago lol

I know people will argue against it, but if Dubas signs Nylander in November for what their top dollar was in the summer and now gets to take advantage of the cap savings that come along with it when it overlaps Matthews and Marners contracts, that’s a win all day long.


11.) 23 Nov 2018 17:50:43
If Nylander signs now for the same amount Dubas was offering in the summer, then he’s a goof and should be booed mercilessly every time he touches the puck for as long as he is a Leaf.


12.) 23 Nov 2018 18:20:09
A contract dispute that leads to a player sitting out and missing games, becoming a big distraction, not there to help the team out doesn't seam like a good thing or a "win". I guess since its your team it's brilliant?


13.) 23 Nov 2018 18:20:56
Was Dubas offering $6.9M in the summer?


14.) 23 Nov 2018 18:22:09
Eh Shadow, Do you believe in that phrase "defense wins championships" or no? What's your stance on that phrase, and do you think your D is good enough now to win playoff rounds with that vey good offense?
Only curious what your stance is on that phrase, that's all.


15.) 23 Nov 2018 18:50:27
@LeafsGM, I wouldn’t boo him for it. I would applaud Dubas for staying strong but I wouldn’t hold it against Nylander. He Felt he’s worth more than his boss did which can be said about the majority of working people in all fields. He will have been put in his place and I would welcome him back.

I would feel differently about both him and dubas if we were struggling and they both were being stubborn while wasting a year of a great core. If we were now in an uphill battle to make the playoffs, it would hurt. But to add him when we are doing so well and getting the cap savings as well is great.

Also what this does is puts us in a really unique situation. Everyone knows that bottom feeding teams will take players who are owed very little cash but have a high cap hit to hit the cap floor. But if there’s tension between Nylander and other players later, or just the cap squeeze needs some relief, we would now have a 22, 23, 24 year old top six player who’s cap hit is actually less than his salary. Instead of the same 3-4 teams interested, you could theoretically have all 30 teams interested, even contenders. Endless options going forward really.


16.) 23 Nov 2018 19:06:44
It was a big distraction?! They’re battling for 1st overall in the league. I think they handled it just fine lol

Pittsburgh won the cup 2 seasons ago with Ron Hainsey on their top pair. Is that ideal? Absolutely not. But to correct that would I recommend my GM trade a star forward for a mediocre Dman like some teams have done before falling like a rock down the standings? Absolutely not. Leafs D as constructed is better than the penguins who won the cup hands down. Letang never played so they never had anyone in Reilly’s class. Hainsey was top pair like he is here right now. They had Schultz who plays like Gardiner but not as good I’ll take zaitsev and dermott over Ian Cole and maataa, and I’m sure the leafs can add a Trevor Daley type vet if they want to.


17.) 23 Nov 2018 20:04:39
Big story eaten up by the media. Regardless of how the team is doing its an off ice distraction, yes.
I know for a fact if my GM and a top player were ha I F disputes that lead to the player missing 20+ games I would be pissed and would have no way of spinning it into a "win". How the team is doing is irrelevant to the contract disputes itself.

If it comes out them at they set this all up together to save a few bucks moving forward, brilliant bold move cotton.
But no matter what, I would be pissed if my GM and a player had a dispute that lead to missing out on a quarter of the season. Pretty lucky teams doing well. They should be leaps and bounds better when he returns.


18.) 23 Nov 2018 20:52:25
The Leafs are currently 5th in goals against. their goalie has played very well but I think people worry too much about their D (Yupp especially as he seems to be almost losing sleep over it for some reason?! ) . a great D-core is obviously a plus and the Leafs would definitely benefit from the addition of a top four D on the right hand side, but forwards play a big role in how defensively sound a team is as well and so far as a whole the Leafs have looked pretty solid in the games I’ve watched (although they were comically peppered against carolina in the first period this week 😂)


19.) 23 Nov 2018 20:56:18
Well Yupp thankfully Chia has not had any such disputes with the Oilers this season so you have nothing to worry about!


20.) 23 Nov 2018 21:17:41
I sleep just fine 😉😉. Ya this contract dispute is something Chia would pull!
That's a good stat for the Leafs. They should be just fine come playoff battles with the current D then. Nothing to worry about, Thanks for your inputs. ✊🏿.


21.) 23 Nov 2018 21:19:05
Oh I'm not too worried my brother. It's just been a big question from analysts all around. Was curious if any you Leafs fans were worried.


22.) 23 Nov 2018 21:20:39
They aren’t lucky they’re doing well lol they built a deep team that can handle a good player being out. Kapanen was a 1st rounder the same year as Nylander and has been patient waiting for an opportunity. He got and seized it. Marner and Tavares have lead the way which is expected of them and Freddy has been great which is also expected of him at this point. It’s not a nobody putting a bad team on his back like what the hanburgler did with the Sens and went 18-3 or whatever down the stretch that season.

And media and fans having a story to beat to death is different than an off ice distraction. Players were asked about it a few times, they had very little, if anything to say about it and carried on doing their job winning games. I didn’t see one time where it affected a player besides giving a cpl of them an opportunity they would otherwise not have had.

And I agree that you should be pissed and worried if the oilers GM had a stand off with a player like Nylander that kept him out of the lineup, it would be devastating. The luxury we have is that we don’t only have 3 good players and the organizational depth of a roadside puddle. So it’s apples and oranges.


23.) 24 Nov 2018 04:43:13
@unbiasedjim

Nylander holding out this long only to sign last minute is a childish move. He deserves to be traded. He’s not a team player at all. And yes, I feel this was a distraction for the team. It weighs enormous on the future for the team and makes Dubas look bad his first year on the job. Dubas must be infuriated right now.

An underpaid factory worker goes on strike is one thing. An already rich athlete making millions of dollars to play a game (and is therefore already overpaid) seeking to drive salaries up and enrich himself further at the expense of the team should not be rewarded with an extra million or two.


24.) 24 Nov 2018 05:25:43
LeafsGM, I agree he shouldn’t get a million or 2 extra which is why I’m glad Dubas held strong. Bottom line is we can add a top Winger that they haven’t really missed too much on the ice without losing an asset. See how it works and if they get any indication he’s not in it for the right reasons going forward they can always trade him then.


 

 

01 Nov 2018 15:22:06
Out of all the teams That insiders kinda picked as having the most interest in Nylander (Carolina, Minny, NYR, LA) there’s a mid 20s Dman with term that would be an obvious centrepiece except LA.

Looking at what they could possibly trade that make the leafs happy is harder. Obviously drew doughty is a superstar RHD still in his 20s but that ship sailed when he signed that extension. Their other Dmen are either older, not established enough or Dion Phaneuf lol. I’m a fan of Muzzin but he’s turning 30 and left handed. I would be fine with the age if he was a righty or being a lefty if he was younger, but straying from both those criteria seems like it’s reaching

So a very out of the box idea came to me. What about trying for a package including the rights to Slava Voynov?! He is reportedly looking to come back to the NHL. He’s a 28 year old RHD, high skill, 2 way, great skater. He looked amazing at the Olympics (albeit not a best on best tourney) . Now what complicates things is that he still owes the league a suspension upon his return and domestic assault is a very sensitive topic right now in society and Toronto (Blue Jays just traded a good young pitcher for similar accusations).

I wouldn’t trade a young player like Nylander with his potential and upside for just the rights to a guy who hasn’t played in the NHL in 3 years, but he could be a steal if he returns to form. But LA also has some decent prospects and veteran wingers with size (Clifford similar to a Kassian) who could take Kapanens spot in the bottom 6 since he replaces Nylander in the top 6.

It’s an ‘out there’ thought but if there’s no perfect 1-for-1 deal out there that makes sense for both teams, maybe a package that fills a RHD, size and grit up front and stash a prospect or pick for the future could work

What do you think?!

Unbiased Jim

1.) 01 Nov 2018 17:09:48
Isnt this similar to why you wouldn't want Kassian? Maybe not worth the hassle. I agree Voynov would probably be good for the Leafs however, it's been a few years. and with domestic violence front and center in everything these days, I think this is a distraction the Leafs don't need. and neither does Voynov of he comes back. As a Leafs fan, you already know, things will be blown up 100× more .
I'm not defending Voynov, not at all. But. if he's going to come back. best to got to an American team, where he can roam about and maybe not get noticed as much. he wouldn't get that privacy in Canada.
I understand ya want to improve your team Jim. just this is one I'd stay away from.


2.) 01 Nov 2018 17:14:35
I read an article today with a headline "Nylander for Faulk? "
And the article lists Car and LAK as interest for Nylander and offering Faulk/ Pesce or Muzzin/ Martinez. The article also mentions how old the LAK guys are as well.


3.) 01 Nov 2018 19:18:40
I agree with Sosa. You don’t want a party animal on the team but a wife beater is ok? He’s a really good defenseman but it sounds like trouble.


4.) 01 Nov 2018 19:40:25
Toronto is at a disadvantage with every team interested in Nylander because unless its a sign and trade not too many teams would want this Leafs headache. This reason alone would decrease Nylanders value and it will get worse the closer it gets to Dec 1st.


5.) 01 Nov 2018 23:50:26
@sosa, i hear ya. But for a RHD who if he never left the NHL would be a top pair guy easily I believe, could be worth it. The cost to acquire a top pair, or even top 4 RHD is so expensive, that getting one with a history like his may be the only way right now. And at the same time address a cpl other things.

With Kassian, acquiring players like him is not difficult or rare. Not at all in the same realm as a top pair Dman so I would just get one without the History and eliminate that risk. I’m no fan of Voynovs behaviour either, but it wouldn’t be for a 4th liner. It’s for the chance at a very undervalue top D.

Reminds me of The kaepernick thing. He doesn’t have a job because he protested? NO, he doesn’t have a job because he sucked and protested. If we have learned anything over the years it’s that people forgive players in all sports as long as their on field/ on court/ on ice performance outweighs their private life’s BS. Tom Brady could have any of field problems he wants, be a complete douche and he would have a job because he wins.

I would much rather find a deal with a good, solid RH top pair or too 4 guy locked up long term. Which is why pesce at 4 mill for 6 years looks like a near perfect fit, but this is just spit balling something I hadn’t heard anywhere else.

LA wants offense, and wants to get younger and has been linked to Nylander. Leafs are close to contending which means they either need Nylander signed or need d help for him. Voynov wants to come back. Just thinking there’s a possible long shot fit.


6.) 01 Nov 2018 23:56:43
@Islandjet. Obviously it would always be a contract in place. That’s extremely obvious. Same as when leafs got Kessel in a similar situation and Habs got Drouin and just about every other big name RFA deal.


7.) 02 Nov 2018 00:51:28
I get it Jim. but take all of our thoughts out of it. what would worry me, ( there was talk Bergevin had interest in summer) . Is the media wouldn't let it go. and then he wouldn't even be able to go get a coffee in hockey crazy Toronto or Montreal or wherever in Canada.

If the guy is granted permission to come back. I think, for his sake. Best to go somewhere and be low key.

If none of the off ice stuff had ever happened, he's exactly what your team needs. he was really good player., and I'm sure still good
I agree somewhat, that this is different than acquiring a guy like Kassian.
Just a lot of risk. and a lot of drama for a market than can make anything even more dramatic than it needs to be.


8.) 02 Nov 2018 03:52:54
Would the US even allow Voynov back in the country I wonder? He still has to face deportation hearing there. He fled the country remember.


9.) 02 Nov 2018 04:34:39
That I don't know about., but was wondering about all that stuff. The legality of it all.


10.) 02 Nov 2018 10:25:51
Makes sense for sure. Well I was at the leafs/ stars tonight and Carolina sent 3 scouts and assistant GM Rick Dudley to watch which makes us think there could be something in the works. Then leafs bring Justin Holl, a 26 year old RHD, in to play his first game of the season (had 2 goals in his only 2 games last season) . Could it be that if Carolina is thinking of a deal involving Nylander and Pesce, that it would be a bit bigger and they want a Cheap RHD going back? Seemed like a ‘showcase’ call up but I’m just speculating/ guessing. Maybe Nylander and Holl for Pesce and a forward with size? Julien Gauthier?! Who knows. Fun to watch tho. We will see.


11.) 02 Nov 2018 12:18:11
It's fun to watch your GM say "we can and we will sign the big 3" and then not be able to get the job done and an important part of your team hold out and miss the first 12+ games of the season? Doesn't seem like much fun. Need him in the lineup or should have said F you and traded him already if it's the player being a dick. Figure it out not let it drag on this long.


12.) 02 Nov 2018 13:28:52
Imagine how crazy you would trash me if someone like Nurse held out and I said its "fun to watch tho".


13.) 02 Nov 2018 15:12:52
There is no shame in A GM realizing something isn't going to work and its time to change tactics. TOR GM needs to part ways with Nylander and land a young dman (pesce) to cover the #1 duties until TL is ready.


14.) 02 Nov 2018 18:10:23
I meant the trade speculation is fun to watch. Didn’t you just post something asking what cool stories are around the nhl? I know this isn’t new, but it’s easily he biggest off ice story in the league right now. I’ve said all along he should stay firm with Nylander. I don’t want him traded but if they trade him, I get it. I started by saying I still think he gets signed.

Dubas is playing the long game with a young player who has very little leverage, that’s doing his job. This decision determines the landscape of the team for 5+ years, why would I be upset about 12 games when the payoff or pain could last 5-10 years? Pretty short sighted comment. I was critical of Chiarelli about lucic contract, trading the Barzal pick, trading Taylor Hall. And those mistakes are going to cause pain to the franchise for 5-10 years. I can be patient for Dubas to do everything possible to avoid a mistake. We are okay man lol.


15.) 02 Nov 2018 18:15:53
Plus every day that passes, Nylanders cap hit for years 2-7 gets cheaper and is added onto this season where we are flush with cash and cap space. Again, I don’t believe this is a premeditated strategy, but his assistant GM did write the CBA and is well aware of that loophole. It is a nice added incentive not to cave early and overpay him or trade him for less than fair value.


16.) 02 Nov 2018 18:30:42
You were able to post positive things for like 36 hrs and hit your limit lol after saying you were tired of all the leafs/ oilers talk and arguing you jump on a leafs thread to chirp. And you’re right, the GM should just say F you and trade him in a hurry. Because that is never backfired before. No team in the league has traded a good young offensively talented winger for a decent Dman and then a year later said “damn that guy would look good beside our superstar centre, huh? ”. Oh wait, oilers did that with Hall, right? Then he went to the playoffs and won the Hart trophy? But you’re right, no need to be patient, just trade him and deal with the consequences later.


17.) 02 Nov 2018 21:17:15
I would see his Nylander situation it as frustrating, The opposite of fun. Nothing about one of your better players sitting out seems fun to me. Lmao, So you can post comments about Leafs stuff, but I can't comment myself?

All I said was that this Nylander situation doesn't seem like much fun and you're triggered.


18.) 02 Nov 2018 22:29:48
No. I said trade speculation is fun to watch, which is why we all joined this site, isn’t it? Lol and you flip that into dubas is failing and I’m having fun when I should be panicked lol it’s 12 games in.


 

 

01 Oct 2018 18:36:44
Mchiliney and Pickard waived by leafs. Carrick traded to Stars for 7th (becomes 6th if he dresses 50 times)

I think Sparks getting the job over Mac Is more a Dubas call than Babcock. Babcock would want whoever is going to give him the better starts when called upon this season. Dubas is looking at long term asset management. Mac was a waiver claim and Sparks is 10 years younger, drafted and developed in house.

Carrick never separated himself from a group of Dmen including Ozhiganov, Rosen, borgman, Holl, Marincin etc and he makes $1.3 mill where most of them make $650-925k. That’s kinda the return I thought we would get. When people were suggesting 4th round picks I said that’s wishful thinking.

Unbiased Jim

1.) 01 Oct 2018 19:41:00
Marincin sucks though. I don't care if Carrick makes 600k more than him. We don't needthe cap this year. i'd rather have just kept Carrick than Marincin smh. Marincin just played bad during camp and got a job. Smh.


2.) 01 Oct 2018 19:47:31
Marincin is somehow an above average Dman according to analytics. Dubas is an analytics guy. Marincin just played a big role for the championship marlies. Dubas was the marlies GM. Not sure how much all that weighed into the decision, but I agree with you that he shouldn’t be on the team. However, carrick hasn’t done anything to impress me over the last half of last season and this camp. If they felt he wasn’t going to play anyway, and sit in the pressbox, maybe it’s better for that to be Marincin. No one would take Marty and this frees up a roster spot for future moves maybe. I dunno.


3.) 01 Oct 2018 20:13:38
I’m ok with Carrick and Marincin never playing s game for the leafs again. I’ve heard that about Marincin and analytics, it sure makes me a non believer. He is an AHL defenseman at best. I’d play Borgman or Rosen ahead of him any day.


4.) 01 Oct 2018 20:45:52
@Leafs17, preaching to the choir lol which is why I’m somewhat doubtful of analytics as well. I don’t doubt that they have SOME value in assessing players, but they need to be used in moderation with some old school Eyetest evaluations. Babcock and Dubas each specialize in one of those styles, so hopefully they can accent each other and keep an open mind towards eachother and not get in a pissing contest.


5.) 01 Oct 2018 22:31:20
Carrick sucks. Marincin sucks. Leafs have a lot of defensive prospects, but outside of Liljegren and maybe Sandin, the rest of the guys are just plugs. Finding and retaining a 1RHD is going to be the most difficult task facing Leafs management to complete the roster. If we trade, it will be expensive. And drafting and developing another player will be time consuming.

We only have Tavares for seven years. That’s not actually a very big window of opportunity.


6.) 01 Oct 2018 22:57:04
A #1 RHD is obviously ideal, but pretty unrealistic both in what assets we would have to give away and where they would fit in salary cap wise. A good RHD, good in his own zone but still capable of moving a puck out would go a long way. Could acquire that without hurting the offense a ton and could probably pay one. Something similar to Adam Larson would be nice, just not at the cost of a Hart Trophy winner lol.


7.) 02 Oct 2018 11:39:18
@unbiasedjim

The problem is that even a half decent RHD still costs an arm and a leg. What is forgotten in the excitement surrounding the Hall-Larsson trade is the NJ eventually had to trade Henrique for Vatanen, a very sizeable payment in and of itself.

Getting a 1RHD via trade is going to be expensive. Best Leafs can hope for is to keep getting plugs on expiring contracts for cheap, like we did with Hainsey, and maybe Faulk next year, and hope Liljegren steps up sooner rather than later.


 

 

28 Sep 2018 17:36:09
Report is the leafs are actively shopping Connor Carrick this morning. I’m guessing that kind of says Ozhiganov will be the 6th man. Carrick won’t bring back anything of much value but could be a decent pick up for a young team. He plays pretty aggressive for his size and extremely intelligent. He’s a strong skater but not the quickest. When we got him he was a good prospect with high expectations here, unfortunately the emergence of Dermott and Holl, and the fact we have signed 4 European Pro dmen (Zaitsev, Rosen, Borgman and Ozhiganov) since getting him hash squeezed him out.

Canucks could be a nice fit. Maybe.

Unbiased Jim

1.) 28 Sep 2018 19:28:35
Yeah I'd say he's a warm body at best at this point.


2.) 28 Sep 2018 20:22:03
Yeah. He could develop into something. The problem is the leafs ‘growing phase’ went by really fast. He’s kinda in the same boat as Sparks, Babcock can’t afford to let guys make mistakes to learn anymore. Expectations are too high now and he need results. Which is why I think he’s really pushing for mchilleney to be the back up. Long term, keeping Sparks makes more sense, but MAC is capable of not playing for 25-30 days and then come in and put up a great game, something I don’t think Sparks would be able to do yet.


3.) 28 Sep 2018 20:52:59
Carrick and a 3rd for Trouba %25 retained.


4.) 28 Sep 2018 22:52:29
Good deal yupp. Might be too much for an over rated 3rd pairing Trouba.


5.) 29 Sep 2018 01:54:00
I thought that too. Was thinking the pick should be a 4th but made it a 3rd because Jets will retain some money on trouba to get the better pick. Good deal for both sides.


6.) 29 Sep 2018 02:18:47
Chicago should grab him, their defence is terrible so he would have a good shot at playing regularly.


7.) 29 Sep 2018 02:32:54
Carrick for Jerabek.


 

 

19 Sep 2018 23:23:32
Tor - C/ RW William Nylander, D Andrew Nielsen

VGK- D Colin Miller, D Nicolas Hague

If the leafs and Nylander can’t come to terms (I do believe they will fairly soon), then maybe they move on to address other areas

Leafs have plenty of capable wingers to play along side Matthews and Marleau, so kapanen, Leivo or Johnsson move up.

Leafs get a really good 2 way RHD, soon to be 26 years old, 4 years at $3.8 million, who already has connections to Kyle Dubas. They also get a real good LHD prospect.

Vegas has the cap space to pay Nylander and their RW depth is awful. afternoon reilly Smoth, it goes alex Tuch and Ryan Reeves. This pushes tuch to 3 and reeves to 4 where they should be. Nielsen is a giybthat could be a decent NHL Dman eventually but still a young project for sure. Just adds to their depth because they’re losing 2 D in the deal.

Leafs give up the best player but that salary of miller vs what Nylander wants is valuable on its own. Also a D core of

Rielly Miller
Gardiner Zaitsev
Dermott Ozhiganov
Hainsey

All of a sudden looks pretty solid while still maintaining one of the best toon 9 forward groups in the league of

Marleau Matthews Kapanen
Hyman Tavares Marner
Johnson Kadri Leivo.

Unbiased Jim

1.) 19 Sep 2018 23:48:34
top 6 doesn't look that great without nylander. until kapanen can finish he's a 3rd liner. i would love to see conner brown get a shot at the top line, guy is under rated. and there's a reason he is above leivo on the depth chart.

seeing some lines at the first pre season game means very little to me. things will shake out a lot differently.

as far as the trade goes i would take miller in a heartbeat.


2.) 20 Sep 2018 00:47:27
Very well thought out imo, but I also doubt Nylander is going to be moved.

I don’t see how he/ his agent can seriously expect to get anything over $7mln when Pasta is better and only makes $6.7 mln or whatever and I don’t see how the leafs think they can get him signed to less than $6mln given other comparables. Doesn’t seem like they can be that far apart.


3.) 20 Sep 2018 02:58:06
What kind of a joke is this proposal? If you trade Nylander to Vegas, you better get William Karlsson back in return.


4.) 20 Sep 2018 04:41:15
I agree I think he gets signed, I've said that all along he will get 6-8 years around $6.5 mill. Just so many people talking trade now and the obvious move is for a RHD. I think miller is the right balance for Rielly. Good core age too. Hague if he keeps progressing could take dermotts spot on third pair next year when dermott takes Gardiners spot on 2nd pair, to save more cap again.

Just a thought. I don’t want to trade Nylander, but I like this option a lot better than Subban at $9 mill or Stephen Johns at any price lol which were previously suggested.


5.) 20 Sep 2018 06:54:54
Good post jim 😃.


6.) 20 Sep 2018 12:36:49
Pretty good trade. I like Nylander and Miller. Makes sense for both teams, Nylander could be great in Vegas and they can afford him. Is losing Miller creating too much a hole in Vegas D tho? They have a good tip six right now with the two big additions this summer don't they?
Also, you can't add Johnson and Lievo into "best top 9 in the league". You can say a great top 7 tho. Haha.


7.) 20 Sep 2018 12:42:15
@NylanderMagic. I post to get responses, so I won’t be rude about your response, but explain then why you feel the leafs need to take back a Centreman who would be either 3rd or 4th best on the team rather than a RHD who would immediately be your best?


8.) 20 Sep 2018 12:53:03
@yupp, I said still “one of the best top 9s” not “the best”, amd having tavares, matthews, marner, Kadri and Marleau on top 3 lines, plus could have put Brown instead of Leivo, forgot all about him and he’s scored 20, don’t know many teams that can roll out a better 9 to be honest.

Also I did feel it could leave a bit of a hole in Vegas D, but that’s what it would take to get a player like Nylander. Their team is good but not extremely deep in any position yet, so to get a RW, which is their worst position, it’s going to leave somewhere else noticeably weaker unfortunately.


9.) 20 Sep 2018 14:04:36
The value seems about right. It does leave a hole in the Vegas defense though like yupp said. I agree with ovie that Brown deserves to be moved up but I don’t think Kapanen has had much of a chance playing with some talent either. I bellieve Babcock has said himself that Brown seems to get the shaft often because of the depth up front.


10.) 20 Sep 2018 17:01:45
I like it, althoigh, still seems slightly underwhelming of a return, just because of Willys youth compared to Millers. maybe an added pick like a 2nd and Toronto adds in a guy like Freddy Gauthier? Idk.

I don't mind this tho. Would (obv) prefer to hang onto willly, as most would.


11.) 20 Sep 2018 17:06:41
I think brown gets relegated to lower lines, not because of skill, but because he’s so responsible and so versatile that you never have to worry about who he's going to play with or how many minutes he gets, he’s always going to just do his job.


12.) 20 Sep 2018 17:08:02
Good post, interesting trade. Props Jimmy boy!


13.) 20 Sep 2018 22:33:02
jim i whole heartedy agree brown is a gem because he just does his job. he's a really low rent toews in my eyes, love watching him play.

jims just on point with this.


14.) 21 Sep 2018 05:49:32
Brown was actually taught responsible play by his dad, Dan. He was an amazing minor league coach and has appenrently been offered jobs to coach junior but says he gets to be a hockey dad at the highest level and watch his son play for the hometown leafs every night. Doesn’t want to give that up.

Dan Brown had a 10 or 11 year old Select team and won the championship, they offered him the rep A team and he just took his select team to A, won the chanpionship, was offered a AAA team and took his same guys mostly, won it all a few times in a row before a bunch of his guys went to the OHL at 16. In the 2012 Draft when the leafs took Brown in the 6th round, 6 or 7 (not sure exactly) players that dan had coached all the way up went in the draft that year including Scott Laughton in the first round to Philly and Jake Paterson, their goalie, to Detroit in the 2nd or 3rd round. That’s extremely impressive and shows why Brown plays the game the way he does. My dad has actually known Laughtons grandfather for decades and he told us that.


 

 

 

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07 Dec 2018 20:00:05
Just kinda piggybacking off Habbys post about not selling out arenas and visiting fans taking over, Buffalo/ Toronto situation could be crazy.

If sabres make the playoffs and match up against Toronto it could make for some great games. Both these teams haven’t been good at the same time for a long long time so meaningful games have been few and far between. Now with the Eichel vs Matthews matchup and close proximity, hopefully it’s a good rivalry again.

But it’s well known (watch last weeks game highlights) that leaf fans take over their building on those nights. When Matthews scores in overtime, it looked like 80% of the Lower bowl was cheering in a leafs sweater. How bad would that be in a playoff series? It would be like 7 road games for the sabres.

I’m not saying that as a chirp, I legit feel bad for their fans. They support their team really well and have suffered through a lot like we did and a few other teams. They deserve a great playoff experience too. But how do you ensure that?

On the radio they were saying that they could jack the price to match Toronto’s ticket price so it’s not appealing for leaf fans. First of all, they would still go. Secondly, how would it feel if you’re a sabres fan who paid $60-100 for tickets for years supporting this team while they were crap and first sniff of playoffs and they ask you for $400 to see a game?! Even though they’re apparently doing it for your own good, I wouldn’t be able to not feel insanely gouged and taken advantage of. I dunno how they solve that, but I would love to see that series.

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1.) 07 Dec 2018 21:12:05
Buffalo is a little different as they once had a decent fan base that I think should start to return especially in a playoff series. I think against tampa a few years ago in the playoffs they didn't allow habs fans to wear their jerseys so I guess they could do that again to keep up appearances. But it would a tough job to keep the fans silent. Like in Ottawa when montreal scores the fans are louder then when the Sens score lol.


2.) 08 Dec 2018 05:37:23
Didn’t allow fans to wear their jerseys, are you serious?


3.) 08 Dec 2018 06:01:36
@leafs17 yeah it was something like that they talked about it on hockey night in canada. i'm sure there is a report of it somewhere on the web.


4.) 08 Dec 2018 06:05:39
Yeah it's easy to find they done it again the next couple years with rangers and penguins fans among others.


5.) 08 Dec 2018 13:44:01
Habby that’s not true at all. There’s a small section of the stadium that’s like premium club seats where it isn’t allowed, rest of the stadium is free game. Most teams do it, including Pitt last year, but people only seemed to make a big deal of it when Tampa did. It’s like 5% of the stadium and premium club seating, they don’t ban opposing team gear from the stadium.


6.) 08 Dec 2018 21:00:38
Yeah, i just don’t know how you really control it. I know some teams in multiple sports started doing that you couldn’t purchase tickets without a local zip code, but even then they get them on the secondary market or many people I know have NY zip code or a P. O. Box in the buffalo area for their business or personal shipping needs. Just a tough situation, but I have a lot of respect for sabres fans. I go down to a game there a cpl Times a year and mingle with them and they’re, for the most part, extremely knowledgeable and passionate. They deserve some good seasons.


7.) 08 Dec 2018 21:04:47
So it's not true at all but you admit they do it for 5% of the stadium? Lol even there own p. r guy said it's actually 7.2% of the stadium. From what I heard from friends who were at some of the games I was talking about I'd say it's closer to 40% of the stadium but that ban along with the ticket sale ban you probably be looking at 50% or more.


 

 

04 Dec 2018 16:13:19
Seattle expansion fully approved and will start in 2021-22. Start hiding assets now! Also a team will have to be moved from the pacific to the central. Arizona and Edmonton were the 2 suggestions, but more likely Arizona.

Pacific is a terrible division right now and probably will be for a few years. I hope they keep Edmonton in the pacific for 2 reasons. #1 is I think they want mcdavid in the playoffs as much as possible during his prime years, that’s easier in their current division. And #2, having them play Calgary less times per season would be a shame for every hockey fan. Great rivalry and whether you’re a fan of the teams or not, they’re usually a great game to tune in to.

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1.) 04 Dec 2018 18:21:59
They are saying on the hockey shows here that it is Arizona moving to the Central.


2.) 04 Dec 2018 19:40:18
Yeah move arizona nobody cares where they go anyway.


3.) 04 Dec 2018 21:22:08
That’s good. Hopefully they get moved for real soon and not just division wise lol.


4.) 05 Dec 2018 00:59:32
I also remember reading that Golden Knights are exempt from the expansion draft.

To me that doesn't make sense since when this team arrives, they will have a good 4-5 years in the league.

It it was happening this year, then I agree with making them exempt. Just not for a team that has established itself for awhile.


5.) 05 Dec 2018 12:30:22
Lol. 🙄🙄🙄. The Seattle expansion team and realigning of the divisions have absolutely nothing to do with Edm and McDavid. They are moving Arizona to the central, which makes the most sense. McDavid has absolutely nothing to do with any of that though process. Wow. 😳.


6.) 05 Dec 2018 13:59:30
“We will make strong statements about us staying, for sure, ” added Nicholson in a cell phone interview on his way to the airport Sunday.

“I just believe we’ve been in the league a long time now and hopefully the league will respect our rivalries, especially the Calgary and Vancouver rivalries, ”

Those are the quotes from Bob Nicholson 4 days ago about how he’s going to lobby the league to keep the oilers in the pacific because they were being considered a candidate to move.

Now I’m well aware, even though you’re the first guy to tell everyone they don’t know what they’re talking about, that you don’t know who runs or works for your own team. So I’ll fill you in. Bob Nicholson is the CEO of the oilers. Okay. So I think it kinda had something to do with the oilers. I’m glad it’s Arizona leaving that division, but don’t be such a pompous ass all the time and learn something about the going’s on of your own team before running your mouth AGAIN.


7.) 05 Dec 2018 17:49:51
I said “I hope” as in me personally, that mcdavid and the oilers stay in that division because the league should want him in the playoffs as much as possible. A wise man (using the term ‘wise’ very loosely here) once told me to read to understand, don’t read to respond 😉.


 

 

03 Dec 2018 16:52:53
With Dermott being sent to the minors to make roster space for Nylander there’s now a few options.

Dermott is expected to play in buffalo tomorrow and that was just a move on paper for the day. Leafs are actively shopping Holl, Marincin and maybe gauthier to see if they can get something before having to waive one.

Also they are apparently considering sending Nylander to the Marlies as a conditioning stint rather than just having him practise to get up to speed. This gets him some game action and buys management a week or so to figure out a roster move.

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1.) 03 Dec 2018 17:47:33
And Josh Leivo traded to Vancouver. Lol problem solved. I like Leivo. Always a good soldier, never bitched about getting sat out. He went through the same thing as peter holland and Frankie corrado and both of hen complained and demanded trades. Leivo just kept working. Unfortunately it’s a numbers thing. Wish him the best in Vancouver, could be a good pick up for them.


2.) 03 Dec 2018 17:55:31
They said management promised Leivo when he signed his 1 year extension that if he lost his spot in the lineup without much chance to get back in, they would move him to a better opportunity for him. So it was just keeping their word.


3.) 03 Dec 2018 19:08:54
We will take him. Vancouver got an NHL player for an AHL player. Good trade Benning!


4.) 03 Dec 2018 19:55:04
I think Leivo will be good for you guys. He’s got a good shot, playing more physical this year than in the past (probably because that’s what was going to get him in our lineup) . Works hard, great release, not fast but a powerful skater. Put him with a playmaker and could get a lot out of him. RW with Boeser and Petterson And is be surprised if he doesn’t get 20 goals.


5.) 03 Dec 2018 21:30:53
Leivo is a good player. We just didn’t have room for him. Vancouver is you. g and upcoming team. He should have much better chance at making an impact there. I wish him luck. He did a good job and was really starting to look good this year.


6.) 03 Dec 2018 22:05:02
And they lose brandon liepsic on waivers. is leivo really an upgrade?


7.) 03 Dec 2018 22:44:03
I believe he is an upgrade. We had both. Saw both play for Marlies and in the nhl. I think liepsic could be the more offensive player in the AHL but Leivo will be a better nhler.


8.) 04 Dec 2018 23:10:58
I just saw that leipsic was placed on waivers Sunday when 3 guys came back from injury. Not a direct result of Leivo. I thought it was. Either way, I think we will see Leivo have a bigger impact there then leipsic did.


9.) 05 Dec 2018 03:38:06
No it wasn't directly because of leivo. He just got claimed the same day they traded for leivo.


 

 

01 Dec 2018 22:03:36
$9.7 mill cap hit this season. $6.629 mill for years 2-6. That keeps his cap hit in all his full seasons below pastas deal.

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1.) 01 Dec 2018 22:47:38
Think the league investigates this?


2.) 01 Dec 2018 23:37:30
I'm hearing it's 10.2 this year and 6.97 for the rest.


3.) 02 Dec 2018 00:08:54
Because of signing bonus and lockout protection the numbers are actually higher. It’s $10.2 mill this season, $6.9 going forward. So Nylander gets his $7.5mill, leafs have him under $7 mill on the cap when he overlaps the other big contracts. Shame it took this long, but glad they kept it reasonable, have him back and didn’t trade him for an underwhelming return.


 

 

01 Dec 2018 22:01:14
Nylander signs 6 years $6.9 mill. Just as I thought. Wish it didn’t take this long but let’s see the final cap hit going forward. If he outperforms this deal like Pastrnak has with his, he will be good value for us and extremely easy to trade if needed down the road.

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1.) 01 Dec 2018 23:27:23
Worst part is that this does nothing to cool off the trade rumors.


2.) 02 Dec 2018 01:10:34
Lots of analysts are saying Dubas caved in. Little overpayment. Basically $7M for a 20 goal scorer. Also hearing how happy Marners agent must be right now.

I know you'll disagree with any of that in a major way.

Mathews and Marners agents won't want any less than $12M and $10M I would think.


3.) 02 Dec 2018 01:14:31
Overpaid by a half mil or so, but I can't believe for that contract it took this long to sign him. I mean the contact isn't great, but it's not super unreasonable.


4.) 02 Dec 2018 06:37:26
Well if he was refusing to go below $7.5 mill and no other teams were willing to pay him that and give dubas value, then this was the only way to get him his money and keep the caphit under $7mill. I said all along ideally he’s $6.5-6.75 but I can definitely see his agent making a case for $7 mill. However $7.5-8 on the cap would be a huge mistake. When it matters (years 2-6) his cap hit is $6.9 and that’s pretty decent. Hopefully he blows this contract out of the water like pasta has done with his.


5.) 02 Dec 2018 06:46:02
Also actual cash owed to him goes $12 mill, $9 mill, then $6, $6, $6, $6. So that makes it more attractive to other teams in years 3-6 if they need to move him. Plus those $6 mill years are $3.5 mill signing bonus due July 1st and $2.5 mill salary with a 10 team no trade list in year 6 only. So if they traded him in the summer after year 3, a team could get him for 3 full seasons for $14 million. The structuring of the contract gives tons of options that are Pretty favourable to the leafs, I’m assuming that was put in as a balance to the little extra money they went up.


6.) 02 Dec 2018 07:06:26
This too much talent thing is becoming a real problem for some people. One signs and now people are concerned about the rest. Watch and enjoy!


7.) 02 Dec 2018 07:17:39
Burkie things they overpaid, big surprise being the ex GM. Just because he may be 6th or 7th best on the team, he’s 3rd or 4th on most teams in the league. Everyone knew it would be around $7 million for months if he signed. Now all of a sudden Matthews and Marner’s agents are lickimg their chops? Now that it’s over yupp, go back to worrying about your own team as you’ve told everyone before. You just picked up another superstar that couldn’t crack Carolina’s roster, lol.


8.) 02 Dec 2018 13:21:05
Who would you rather have, Nylander at $7mln long term or Lucic at $6 mln long term? 😂😂😂.


9.) 02 Dec 2018 22:46:42
Lucic obviously 🙄 he’s a million less! Because Chiarelli held strong and negotiated that thing down like a boss! Not like Dubas!


 

 

 

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09 Dec 2018 15:18:34
In his last game he took 18 Faceoff’s, the game before that, 3 Faceoff’s. Before that 1 faceoff. The game before that 2 Faceoff’s. One Before that, 10.

You’re right, that’s a #1 Centre. It’s amazing how total hurricanes games go by with a total of like 7 Faceoff’s including the 3 to start periods. Lol where do they sneak there tV commercials in?

I would say “hes been a winger for his career but has played some centre this season” is a fair statement. But whatever, everyone’s top centres take 1-10 Faceoff’s in 18-23 min of ice time in yupps world 😂.

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09 Dec 2018 15:09:36
“The discussion that William and I had had a couple of times was a fear of his … that he was being signed to be traded, ” Dubas told Bob McCown and Stephen Brunt on Prime Time Sports. “And my discussion with him, I just affirmed with him that that was not our intention whatsoever.

“Our intention was that as long as I was here that I saw him as a part of the Toronto Maple Leafs”

PK Subban was told habs had ‘no intentions’ of trading him. Jeff Carter was told the same thing in Philly weeks before his 11 year contract with a NTC kicked in and he was sent to CBJ, cross sports over and Demar Derozen was told the same thing. However intentions change when situations change or opportunity arises. When the cap gets tight or a better piece can be added that you didn’t think would be available, you do what’s best for the team.

Use common sense. I can come up with more examples if you just want to be a dick still. Or for once, you can take it as anyone else would and feel like you learned something.

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09 Dec 2018 14:46:22
Boom boom says tarasenkos the better player and you tell him that he said Ahos the better player. NO HE DIDNT! Lol Read the post! when you’re shown to have made a mistake again, just be a dick. We Don’t expect any more or any less.

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09 Dec 2018 14:44:02
Listen to Kyle Dubas’ explanation of what Nylander says. It will change your mind. Or just don’t let facts get in the way of a narrative again, whichever way you want to go with it.

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08 Dec 2018 21:33:54
Boom boom, he’s always been a winger but has been playing some centre this year.

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