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01 Oct 2018 18:36:44
Mchiliney and Pickard waived by leafs. Carrick traded to Stars for 7th (becomes 6th if he dresses 50 times)

I think Sparks getting the job over Mac Is more a Dubas call than Babcock. Babcock would want whoever is going to give him the better starts when called upon this season. Dubas is looking at long term asset management. Mac was a waiver claim and Sparks is 10 years younger, drafted and developed in house.

Carrick never separated himself from a group of Dmen including Ozhiganov, Rosen, borgman, Holl, Marincin etc and he makes $1.3 mill where most of them make $650-925k. That’s kinda the return I thought we would get. When people were suggesting 4th round picks I said that’s wishful thinking.

Unbiased Jim

1.) 01 Oct 2018 19:41:00
Marincin sucks though. I don't care if Carrick makes 600k more than him. We don't needthe cap this year. i'd rather have just kept Carrick than Marincin smh. Marincin just played bad during camp and got a job. Smh.

2.) 01 Oct 2018 19:47:31
Marincin is somehow an above average Dman according to analytics. Dubas is an analytics guy. Marincin just played a big role for the championship marlies. Dubas was the marlies GM. Not sure how much all that weighed into the decision, but I agree with you that he shouldn’t be on the team. However, carrick hasn’t done anything to impress me over the last half of last season and this camp. If they felt he wasn’t going to play anyway, and sit in the pressbox, maybe it’s better for that to be Marincin. No one would take Marty and this frees up a roster spot for future moves maybe. I dunno.

3.) 01 Oct 2018 20:13:38
I’m ok with Carrick and Marincin never playing s game for the leafs again. I’ve heard that about Marincin and analytics, it sure makes me a non believer. He is an AHL defenseman at best. I’d play Borgman or Rosen ahead of him any day.

4.) 01 Oct 2018 20:45:52
@Leafs17, preaching to the choir lol which is why I’m somewhat doubtful of analytics as well. I don’t doubt that they have SOME value in assessing players, but they need to be used in moderation with some old school Eyetest evaluations. Babcock and Dubas each specialize in one of those styles, so hopefully they can accent each other and keep an open mind towards eachother and not get in a pissing contest.

5.) 01 Oct 2018 22:31:20
Carrick sucks. Marincin sucks. Leafs have a lot of defensive prospects, but outside of Liljegren and maybe Sandin, the rest of the guys are just plugs. Finding and retaining a 1RHD is going to be the most difficult task facing Leafs management to complete the roster. If we trade, it will be expensive. And drafting and developing another player will be time consuming.

We only have Tavares for seven years. That’s not actually a very big window of opportunity.

6.) 01 Oct 2018 22:57:04
A #1 RHD is obviously ideal, but pretty unrealistic both in what assets we would have to give away and where they would fit in salary cap wise. A good RHD, good in his own zone but still capable of moving a puck out would go a long way. Could acquire that without hurting the offense a ton and could probably pay one. Something similar to Adam Larson would be nice, just not at the cost of a Hart Trophy winner lol.

7.) 02 Oct 2018 11:39:18

The problem is that even a half decent RHD still costs an arm and a leg. What is forgotten in the excitement surrounding the Hall-Larsson trade is the NJ eventually had to trade Henrique for Vatanen, a very sizeable payment in and of itself.

Getting a 1RHD via trade is going to be expensive. Best Leafs can hope for is to keep getting plugs on expiring contracts for cheap, like we did with Hainsey, and maybe Faulk next year, and hope Liljegren steps up sooner rather than later.



28 Sep 2018 17:36:09
Report is the leafs are actively shopping Connor Carrick this morning. I’m guessing that kind of says Ozhiganov will be the 6th man. Carrick won’t bring back anything of much value but could be a decent pick up for a young team. He plays pretty aggressive for his size and extremely intelligent. He’s a strong skater but not the quickest. When we got him he was a good prospect with high expectations here, unfortunately the emergence of Dermott and Holl, and the fact we have signed 4 European Pro dmen (Zaitsev, Rosen, Borgman and Ozhiganov) since getting him hash squeezed him out.

Canucks could be a nice fit. Maybe.

Unbiased Jim

1.) 28 Sep 2018 19:28:35
Yeah I'd say he's a warm body at best at this point.

2.) 28 Sep 2018 20:22:03
Yeah. He could develop into something. The problem is the leafs ‘growing phase’ went by really fast. He’s kinda in the same boat as Sparks, Babcock can’t afford to let guys make mistakes to learn anymore. Expectations are too high now and he need results. Which is why I think he’s really pushing for mchilleney to be the back up. Long term, keeping Sparks makes more sense, but MAC is capable of not playing for 25-30 days and then come in and put up a great game, something I don’t think Sparks would be able to do yet.

3.) 28 Sep 2018 20:52:59
Carrick and a 3rd for Trouba %25 retained.

4.) 28 Sep 2018 22:52:29
Good deal yupp. Might be too much for an over rated 3rd pairing Trouba.

5.) 29 Sep 2018 01:54:00
I thought that too. Was thinking the pick should be a 4th but made it a 3rd because Jets will retain some money on trouba to get the better pick. Good deal for both sides.

6.) 29 Sep 2018 02:18:47
Chicago should grab him, their defence is terrible so he would have a good shot at playing regularly.

7.) 29 Sep 2018 02:32:54
Carrick for Jerabek.



19 Sep 2018 23:23:32
Tor - C/ RW William Nylander, D Andrew Nielsen

VGK- D Colin Miller, D Nicolas Hague

If the leafs and Nylander can’t come to terms (I do believe they will fairly soon), then maybe they move on to address other areas

Leafs have plenty of capable wingers to play along side Matthews and Marleau, so kapanen, Leivo or Johnsson move up.

Leafs get a really good 2 way RHD, soon to be 26 years old, 4 years at $3.8 million, who already has connections to Kyle Dubas. They also get a real good LHD prospect.

Vegas has the cap space to pay Nylander and their RW depth is awful. afternoon reilly Smoth, it goes alex Tuch and Ryan Reeves. This pushes tuch to 3 and reeves to 4 where they should be. Nielsen is a giybthat could be a decent NHL Dman eventually but still a young project for sure. Just adds to their depth because they’re losing 2 D in the deal.

Leafs give up the best player but that salary of miller vs what Nylander wants is valuable on its own. Also a D core of

Rielly Miller
Gardiner Zaitsev
Dermott Ozhiganov

All of a sudden looks pretty solid while still maintaining one of the best toon 9 forward groups in the league of

Marleau Matthews Kapanen
Hyman Tavares Marner
Johnson Kadri Leivo.

Unbiased Jim

1.) 19 Sep 2018 23:48:34
top 6 doesn't look that great without nylander. until kapanen can finish he's a 3rd liner. i would love to see conner brown get a shot at the top line, guy is under rated. and there's a reason he is above leivo on the depth chart.

seeing some lines at the first pre season game means very little to me. things will shake out a lot differently.

as far as the trade goes i would take miller in a heartbeat.

2.) 20 Sep 2018 00:47:27
Very well thought out imo, but I also doubt Nylander is going to be moved.

I don’t see how he/ his agent can seriously expect to get anything over $7mln when Pasta is better and only makes $6.7 mln or whatever and I don’t see how the leafs think they can get him signed to less than $6mln given other comparables. Doesn’t seem like they can be that far apart.

3.) 20 Sep 2018 02:58:06
What kind of a joke is this proposal? If you trade Nylander to Vegas, you better get William Karlsson back in return.

4.) 20 Sep 2018 04:41:15
I agree I think he gets signed, I've said that all along he will get 6-8 years around $6.5 mill. Just so many people talking trade now and the obvious move is for a RHD. I think miller is the right balance for Rielly. Good core age too. Hague if he keeps progressing could take dermotts spot on third pair next year when dermott takes Gardiners spot on 2nd pair, to save more cap again.

Just a thought. I don’t want to trade Nylander, but I like this option a lot better than Subban at $9 mill or Stephen Johns at any price lol which were previously suggested.

5.) 20 Sep 2018 06:54:54
Good post jim 😃.

6.) 20 Sep 2018 12:36:49
Pretty good trade. I like Nylander and Miller. Makes sense for both teams, Nylander could be great in Vegas and they can afford him. Is losing Miller creating too much a hole in Vegas D tho? They have a good tip six right now with the two big additions this summer don't they?
Also, you can't add Johnson and Lievo into "best top 9 in the league". You can say a great top 7 tho. Haha.

7.) 20 Sep 2018 12:42:15
@NylanderMagic. I post to get responses, so I won’t be rude about your response, but explain then why you feel the leafs need to take back a Centreman who would be either 3rd or 4th best on the team rather than a RHD who would immediately be your best?

8.) 20 Sep 2018 12:53:03
@yupp, I said still “one of the best top 9s” not “the best”, amd having tavares, matthews, marner, Kadri and Marleau on top 3 lines, plus could have put Brown instead of Leivo, forgot all about him and he’s scored 20, don’t know many teams that can roll out a better 9 to be honest.

Also I did feel it could leave a bit of a hole in Vegas D, but that’s what it would take to get a player like Nylander. Their team is good but not extremely deep in any position yet, so to get a RW, which is their worst position, it’s going to leave somewhere else noticeably weaker unfortunately.

9.) 20 Sep 2018 14:04:36
The value seems about right. It does leave a hole in the Vegas defense though like yupp said. I agree with ovie that Brown deserves to be moved up but I don’t think Kapanen has had much of a chance playing with some talent either. I bellieve Babcock has said himself that Brown seems to get the shaft often because of the depth up front.

10.) 20 Sep 2018 17:01:45
I like it, althoigh, still seems slightly underwhelming of a return, just because of Willys youth compared to Millers. maybe an added pick like a 2nd and Toronto adds in a guy like Freddy Gauthier? Idk.

I don't mind this tho. Would (obv) prefer to hang onto willly, as most would.

11.) 20 Sep 2018 17:06:41
I think brown gets relegated to lower lines, not because of skill, but because he’s so responsible and so versatile that you never have to worry about who he's going to play with or how many minutes he gets, he’s always going to just do his job.

12.) 20 Sep 2018 17:08:02
Good post, interesting trade. Props Jimmy boy!

13.) 20 Sep 2018 22:33:02
jim i whole heartedy agree brown is a gem because he just does his job. he's a really low rent toews in my eyes, love watching him play.

jims just on point with this.

14.) 21 Sep 2018 05:49:32
Brown was actually taught responsible play by his dad, Dan. He was an amazing minor league coach and has appenrently been offered jobs to coach junior but says he gets to be a hockey dad at the highest level and watch his son play for the hometown leafs every night. Doesn’t want to give that up.

Dan Brown had a 10 or 11 year old Select team and won the championship, they offered him the rep A team and he just took his select team to A, won the chanpionship, was offered a AAA team and took his same guys mostly, won it all a few times in a row before a bunch of his guys went to the OHL at 16. In the 2012 Draft when the leafs took Brown in the 6th round, 6 or 7 (not sure exactly) players that dan had coached all the way up went in the draft that year including Scott Laughton in the first round to Philly and Jake Paterson, their goalie, to Detroit in the 2nd or 3rd round. That’s extremely impressive and shows why Brown plays the game the way he does. My dad has actually known Laughtons grandfather for decades and he told us that.



05 Sep 2018 06:15:32
Tor - D Jake Gardiner (1yr x 4.05 mill), 2019 1st, 2020 3rd, F Jeremy Bracco

Min - D Jonas Brodin (3yrsx $4.16mill)

Gardiner is the leafs 2nd LHD behind Rielly. He has this season left and is due a raise. If he would take $5.25-5.5 mill it’s possible he could fit, however he may want to cash in for more after a few good seasons and he still isn’t exactly the Defensive player we need. Brodin is much more rounded player, a bit younger and 2 more years of cost certainty which is very important going forward in Toronto.

Minnesota gets a good puck moving LHD to take Brodins spot in the lineup. They’re also Gardiners hometown team so may be able to resign him a little cheaper than other teams. They get a mid to late 1st rounder, a 3rd rounder and a small but very skilled prospect who is stuck behind a lot of talent in Toronto. The Wild have a decent team but with Suter (33) Staal (33) Parise (34) and Koivu (35), stocking some younger assets doesn’t hurt.

Unbiased Jim

1.) 05 Sep 2018 06:25:42
Interesting if wild can sign Gardiner after the year.

2.) 05 Sep 2018 07:08:28
Not saying it’s the perfect move for Minnesota because Gardiner is going to be a UFA but is Brodin worth that?

3.) 05 Sep 2018 13:43:14
@ebs, I get what you’re saying but leafs are getting a player 3 years younger with 3 years term left. I feel like the cost certainty alone is worth a premium. Also we would be asking the Wild to take a player 3 years older with only a year left on his contract at a similar cap hit. They don’t need to make this change right now and if you don’t make it worth their while, they just won’t. A late first, a 3rd and Bracco I would be willing to sacrifice to make our D stronger and be able to keep our forward group together for 2 extra years cap wise. Others may not be so willing, but I feel it’s what it could take.

4.) 05 Sep 2018 15:47:42
And @mcjesus, minny could sign him the day the trade is made. They could have a 5 x $6mill extension ready to maximize their return.

5.) 05 Sep 2018 17:15:48
as a leafs fan I would rather trade gardiner for a better dman than brodin if he is traded at all. and personally I'm not sure brodin is worth a 1st,3rd and bracco in the first place. he has a career, 0.247 ppg and a career high of 25 points with 21 points last year. is he a good dman? Sure, but i'd rather put our pieces into a better dman. I understand the value of him being 3 yrs younger and 3 years term (nice good contract i will admit) but I definitely would rather have one year of gardiner+1st+3rd+bracco than brodin.

hope that wasn't too biased haha.

6.) 05 Sep 2018 19:38:38
@Big Z. That’s fair. I wasn’t worried at all about his career points per game or his pt total last year for 2 reasons. 1 is that no one on minny (forwards included) ever put up big numbers, I think mid 60s leads their team every year. Secondly, we will get plenty of offense from our forwards (arguably the best top 9 in the league), Rielly and Dermott and hopefully zaitsev again on the backend. I’m more concerned with the other half of the game that has plagued us for years.

7.) 06 Sep 2018 04:22:43
Think brodin and Gardiner would be a very nice pair but got to give one up for the other, its trading offensive de for defensive de which I'd agree Toronto would be better off for.



02 Aug 2018 23:55:48
Confirmed Trade

Buffalo gets Jeff Skinner

Canes get Cliff Pu, 2nd, 3rd And 6th

Like this deal a lot for sabres. No top prospect or 1st rounder involved and add a guy who is only 25 and had 37 goals 2 years ago, 79 in last 3 seasons. Staying healthy will obviously be the key.

Unbiased Jim

1.) 03 Aug 2018 04:57:07
Makes me wonder why Edmonton wouldn’t have tried really hard to make this work (maybe they did) I know cap space is an issue but at that price I’m shocked. That’s probably an equivilent of benson, 2nd, 3rd ans 6th. And that was trading within the conference. Being out west, certainly wouldn't cost more, maybe even a bit less. Don’t know their exact cap situation but for a chance to add skinner so cheap, could they not have given another asset to dump a salary, either to Carolina in this deal or elsewhere to make room?!

2.) 03 Aug 2018 04:59:30
Yup. Nice move by Buffalo. If he can stay away from concussions, this should work out great for Buffalo.

3.) 03 Aug 2018 14:36:50
Ya the oilers have about $5M in space right now and have to sign Nurse with that. No room at all I make a deal with no money going out for Skinner. Good suggestion tho lol.

4.) 03 Aug 2018 16:20:21
Yeah. I was just wondering if there was a way to send like Sekera back there (lived there a long time, might have connections there still) along with another asset in the deal. Because even another pick added into it doesn’t seem like a ton. I just think skinner would be a great fit for mcdavid, can score and is one of the best skaters in the league. I had a trade proposal a while ago of Ethan Bear and their 1st for him (before it was a 10th overal)

5.) 04 Aug 2018 00:08:04
I would have earlier asked Sekera is he would waive his no trade to go back to Carolina. And hen try to do something around Sekera/ Puljujarvi for Faulk/ Skinner. And extend Skinner after the season
But that was before we resigned some players and what not. Now it wouldn't have worked out.

6.) 04 Aug 2018 19:54:06
i will never understand why people put unbelievable for confirmed trades.




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20 Oct 2018 16:28:46
I just saw a comparison over the first 3 seasons of Draisaitl and Nylander. It’s eerily similar which is probably why Nylander is hanging onto his $8-8.5mill demand.

Draisaitl Nylander
GP 191 185
Goals. 50 (.26) 48 (.26)
Assists. 87 (.46) 87 (.47)
Pts. 137 (.72) 13 (.73)
PIM. 44 46

Looking at those numbers, I can understand why he wants Draisatl's contract. The problem with it is that’s one almost exact comparable making that much. There’s 6-7 guys with similar but not exact numbers (some better some slightly worse) in the $6-7 mill range. He’s picking the exception to the rule as the rule.

With Draisaitl, Chiarelli paid Mcdavid $12.5 mill, then asked Draisaitl to take $6.5. That was a mistake. Mcdavid had a blank cheque and a year left. Draisaitl was an RFA. He should have dealt with Draisaitl first because Mcdavid's wasn’t changing. That’s what Dubas is doing. He knows he’s going to pay Matthews basically whatever he wants. So he will hold off on those negotiations until he signs Nylander and probably marner.

Unbiased Jim

1.) 20 Oct 2018 17:10:00
Drai plays center and have a great playoffs. Also is the highest scorer now in his draft class two points ahead of winger Pasternak. Drai also has back to back 70+ point seasons. Also was top 10 in scoring one year.
But I do wish he was $7.5M tho. But the two years and playoffs he had he wasn't a whole $5M worth less than McDavid.
Nylander as a winger is worth $7M IMO. He can ask for $8.5M while the team offers $6M. That happens all the time. Then settle in the middle at around $7M. But I think Dubas is playing hard ball because Marner and Maythews nagotiations are coming up right away as well so this is a big test and example.

2.) 20 Oct 2018 19:27:11
Nylanders comparables would be Patsernak and E. Kane in my opinion. But Psternak deal is a year or two old and we all know deals get bigger overtime and E. Lane just signed for $7M which is slightly higher than Pasternak and I even think Pasta is worth at least $7M but he took a little less because they were comparing him to his teammates Marchand and Bergeron which wasn't fair to him in my opinion. Pasta is worth $7M - $7.5M.

You can't compare Nylander to Drai because of position and previous points in seasons.
Nylander is worth E. Kane $7M to me.

Which then what would that make Marner worth as a winger as well? Ow much more is he worth than Nylander?

3.) 20 Oct 2018 20:44:43
@yupp. I agree with a lot of that. However Nylander is capable of playing centre, just hasn’t had too as we have always had centres (Matthews, Kadri, bozak and now tavares) . Plus one of Leon’s 70+ seasons was after he got the big money and the other one he wasn’t playing centre on his own line full time, a lot was riding shotgun with Mcdavid, much like Nylander has done with Matthews.

4.) 20 Oct 2018 21:57:25
Ok sure. It you can't pay someone for something they "could do" or "haven't done yet".

5.) 20 Oct 2018 23:56:26
Also evander Kane as a UFA isn’t a comparable because he could field offers from 31 teams, Nylander can from 1. It would have to be an RFA contract with equal leverage to Nylander to be fair. Pasternak is the obvious one for sure. And marner is going to get atleast $1 mill more than Nylander, and probably more because he’s impressing while Nylander is sulking. Kypreos reported leafs now offered a 4 year deal at less than $20 mill total.

6.) 20 Oct 2018 23:53:57
Nylander for a not great right handed defenseman and maybe a 3rd rd pick he is literally sitting at home losing all his value.

7.) 21 Oct 2018 01:00:12
So are you saying Toronto should pay him the center premium for simply being able to possibly play center with no proof that he can in the NHL yet and no 70 point seasons? I used Kane contract as a comparable because that's a similar skill set and position but would still take Kane or Psternak over Nylander all day long.

8.) 21 Oct 2018 02:36:19
Nylander does not compare to Evander Kane. I mean, Kane is power forward and natural goal scorer: a real heavy hitter capable of hitting 30+ goals annually.

Nylander is soft.

9.) 21 Oct 2018 08:39:52
I’m not saying leafs should pay Nylander the centre premium lol If you have seen any of my comments on Nylander I’ve said he’s worth $6.5-6.75 max.

What I’m saying is that Draisaitl got the centre premium while his best production came as a winger with mcdavid (like Nylanders with Matthews) and that’s why he’s the only guy in that price range.

Mackinnon, scheifele, Gaudreau, Pasternak and ehlers, all got $6-6.75 mill. Draisaitl is not as good as atleast 3, probably 4 of those guys while making $2+ mill more. I’m not saying pay Nylander Draisaitl money. I’m saying the exact opposite. Draistal is a good player but severely overpaid. He should be in the $6.5-$7mill range too.

10.) 21 Oct 2018 13:41:24
Times of those deals were well apart. Lol. Those deals are seals now because of when they were signed.
What a bad argument. Well Drai had a 70 point season and was top 10 in league scoring so if that's only worth $6.5-$7M on mcdavids wing as you say then Nylander on Mathews wing with only 60 points is far less than what you say Nylander is worth around $6.5-6.7M using your logic there.

Schiffle and McKinnons deals were how many years before Drais? You do know contracts have been getting bigger as years pass. And for the record, I've always said I wish Drai was $7.5, $8M Max. But he's not over $4M worse than McDavid. Same thing that's going to happen with Marner and Mathews. Their seasons point totals aren't what McDavid and Drai had had for two years 100+ and 70+ back to back. But Marner shouldn't get anything less than $4M less than Mathews.
Nylander can ask for whatever he wants all day especially if he thinks he's being low balled. Then settle in the middle. I don't believe Ny actually wants $8.5M but thinks he's worth more than what the leafs are offering and wants about $7-7.5M.

11.) 21 Oct 2018 13:44:01
Back to back 70+ point seasons and a great playoffs gets you paid. It's just the way things are in the NHL now. That's not far fetched. Look at Tom Efin Wilson. Career goals 35. Career games suspended 29. And he gets $5.5M a year for 6 years with most of it GTD and a NTC. All because of one good playoff run.

12.) 21 Oct 2018 16:12:51
@ yup,
Just so you’re aware, drasisatl's contract was only signed 13 months after mackinnon and Scheifeles. Nylanders now would be 15-16 months after Draisaitl's. So you're being pretty condescending calling that a dumb argument. "How many years before draisatls?" One! Lol July 2016 they both signed and Draisaitl signed August 2017. Now Nylander October 2018. What’s your point again? Lol

Also monahan was July 2016, Gaudreau was September 2016 and pasta September 2017 and ehlers was October 2017. So of the 6 examples I gave, they are all really good forwards, some just wingers, Some c/ w and a cpl natural centres, coming of ELCs. They all signed within 1-13 months of draisatl and none of them broke $7 million. How is draisatl at $8.5 mill not overpaid in the market?!?! Lol

And you can absolutely pay for what hasn’t been done yet, but those guys on that list were paid for future potential as well, still make far less and some (mackinnon, scheifele, pasta) have accomplished more than draisatl since.

How long ago did you think mackinnon signed?! He’s only a year older than Leon.

13.) 21 Oct 2018 18:36:43
McKinnon went 52, 53, 97 in points last three seasons. Talk about lucking out on that contract hey. Lol.
So McKinnon was signed after 52, 53 point seasons.
Drai was signed after a 77 point season and 16 points in 13 playoff games as a center on his own line, top ten in scoring. Again, I wish Drai was $7.5M.

And Again, Nylander has two 60 points seasons as a winger.

You say Nylander is worth $6.5-6.75M as a winger with Mathews? With no proof that he can play center at the NHL level and you say Drai is only with $6.5-7M with two 70+ point season, a season in top 10 league scoring and 16 points in 13 playoff games on two series, and proof he can play and is a center, You think those two players are only $250,000 apart? Crazy.
Literally what you have said in this thread.

14.) 21 Oct 2018 18:47:40
I'd be careful with your whining here because rumor has it Marner is going to get $8-9M and he hasn't had 70 point season yet. Hopefully he gets there this year, and if he does then should him as a winger be worth as much as Drai as a center looking at first three full seasons point totals?
Marner 61, 69,?
Drai 51, 77, 70

Mathews will want more than Tavares and as much as McDavid, How far behind Mathews is Marner? He isn't $5M worse than Mathews is he? No. Just like Drai isn't $5M worse than McDavid.
Mathews $12-$12.5M
Tavares $11M
Marner $8-8.5M
Nylander? $6-7M

Gonna need some D to help out all that expensive offense. Shutout and 1 goal in back to back losses, Can't go on a crazy steak all season.
And ya I'm well aware of my teams tough start and issues don't worry.

What's Reilly going to want in a few years. $10M?
Kapanen. F. Anderson in a few years. Gardiner after this season.

I would worry about your own teams cap problems right now and the very near future buddy.

15.) 21 Oct 2018 19:38:08
Habby did you change your name to yupp?

16.) 22 Oct 2018 00:10:47
I’m not whining about a cap problem. I’m saying Nylander isn’t worth $8.5 mill like everyone else has said haha you try telling me that mackinnon and scheifele signed years before draisatl and that’s why they make less. Then when that is shown to be very wrong, now it’s just luck lol okay.

17.) 22 Oct 2018 02:40:41
No, Nylander isn't worth $8.5M if that's what he's asking. But we all know that if he player feels they are being low balled by the organization then they ask high, to settle somewhere in the middle. So if the Leafs are offering $6M and he feels he's worth more than he'll ask for a lot more then Hopefully settle somewhere above the $6M. If he actually thinks with only two 60 point seasons he's worth $8.5M then he's an idiot.

But again. McKinnon signed his deal coming off of a 52 and 53 point season with one season a few before that at 63. Drai was coming off of a 77 point season which was top ten In league scoring and had 16 points in 13 playoff games driving his own line as center, not on mcdavids wing. At the times they signed their deals, according to numbers there, Drai was worth more.
And yes is it a lucky great contract that McKinnon has a 92 point season after signing that deal, that's fantastic. Too bad for him it's a year late. What a great contract if he keeps that up. Colorado didn't pay for something that he "could have" be able to do.

With all the numbers I've provided and proven for you one thing still stands out for me is that you said Deai worth $7M and Nylander with $6.5-6.75M. That they are only $250,000 apart. That's crazy man. Do you actually believe that?

18.) 22 Oct 2018 02:53:06
All I know. everyone not names McDavid is grossly overpaid.
If Mathews gets what he gets. it's just wrong.

19.) 22 Oct 2018 18:59:44
Mcdavid, Tavares, Kane, Toews, Price, kopitar, Eichel, ovechkin, Malkin, Benn, Crosby, Subban, Perry (Seguin/ kucherov/ doughty starring next year) are the only players making more than draisatl. Nothing special there, just perennial all stars, cup champions, 50 goal scorers, hart trophies, Norris trophies, selkes, rocket Richards, people in the best player in the world conversations. Why wouldn’t a really good 2nd line Center be there with them lol.

20.) 22 Oct 2018 19:00:47
And do I think Nylander is only wprth 250k less than draisatl? No. But if draisatl gets $2+ mill more than mackinnon, scheifele etc “because salaries went up so much” over the 13 months between those signings, then the 15 months between Leon and Nylander signings should close that gap too right? Or does that only work for Chiarelli?

21.) 22 Oct 2018 19:23:39
You know he is going to ask for it and more Sosa. that deal is 2 years old i think and the cap has raised twice since then. I would hope that he signs for 11.5 so he is just a bit above Tavares, but that won't happen. 12.5 minimum i bet. And McDavid didn't ask for the max. which i believe is based off of a % of the total cap.

22.) 22 Oct 2018 20:05:05
Lol. Your hate is really coming in strong on this one. Really reaching now bringing all those other guys into it when they were signed years before. Too funny.

So you said Drai only worth $7M and Nylander worth $6.75M. But now you're back tracking and saying you didn't mean it?

And once again, McKinnon signed his deal after 52 and 53 point seasons. Then all of a sudden shot up to 97 after the contract.
Drai signed his deal after a 77 point season and 16 points in 13 playoff games as a center on his own line, helped big time almost win two playoff series. So at the time they signed their deals, according to this numbers, Drai was worth more, AT THE TIME THEY SIGNED THEIR EXTENSIONS, Not now, things change and now some deals look like absolute steals. Drai still followed it up with another 70 point season mainly as center of his own line.

23.) 22 Oct 2018 20:07:45
Lmao. What? Benn, Eichel, Subban, Price, Seguin haven't won a cup. What's eichel done? Drai had more points than him when he was 10th in league scoring and eichel was 11th. Why don't you whine about Sabres GM giving him so much?
Why don't you argue about all the other little contracts Chiarelli has overpaid for by $500K - $1M. I know them.

I can't wait for Mathews and Marners contracts to come in to look at the numbers. You're going to back track so Efin bad it's going to be hilarious.

24.) 22 Oct 2018 20:29:47
Nylanders Last two seasons before this extension are actually better than McKinnons two seasons before he signed his extension. Lol.



15 Oct 2018 11:05:31
Well it’s clear that Auston matthews start wasnt a fluke and that he will maintain this pace for the entire season now.

That being said, he’s set to match his career high in goals (40) on November 24th vs Philly so:

Does anyone have tickets to that game they want to get rid of?!

Unbiased Jim

1.) 15 Oct 2018 14:25:47
over hype or just plain old hype?

2.) 15 Oct 2018 18:14:32
A bit of overhype I would think, it will be at least until January before Matthews hits 40.

3.) 16 Oct 2018 03:52:56
Mid Feb.

4.) 16 Oct 2018 12:04:15
By your logic Mattews is scoring 60+ goals this year? No way head good buy I think he will have a couple 50 goals season but not 60+ goal season and definitely not at 20. You can't say a guy will keep the pace he has after 6 games on a 82 games basis. By that logic Tomas Tatar is on is way for a 50 goal season lol.

5.) 16 Oct 2018 13:41:54
I can realistically see 60 from Mathews. No doubt he's a good player. if he can stay healthy he has a good shot at the Rocket trophy, still to early to crown him on that yet though, stil a couple other players will have lots to say .
He is helping his cause to get well over 10 million a season. lol.

6.) 16 Oct 2018 15:39:59
@boomboom, it was clearly a joke as he isn’t on pace for 60 goals, he was on pace for 137 goals when I posted it haha.

@Sosa, I don’t think 60 is out of the question either. I’m almost at the point where I would be a little surprised if he doesn’t hit 50, and not overly shocked if he gets high 50s or 60. He had 40 as a rookie, 34 last year (pace for 44 over 82) and anyone who has watched him this year can see he looks faster and stronger. Also competing with JT and a contract year, he’s as motivated as anyone.

7.) 16 Oct 2018 15:51:59
And as for his contract, he’s definitely getting atleast 11 million, probably close to 12 and with the cap going up over the last 2 years he could probably make a case for mcdavid money, but hope not for our sake lol.

8.) 16 Oct 2018 16:04:03
It's going to be two years later, and cap up a little, I don't see Mathews wanting anything less tjan McDavids $12.5M per year contract. Marner will want $8.5-$9.5M as well.
I would %100 try to sign and trade Nylander for a D man right now if I was Dubas.



12 Oct 2018 15:59:41
I think it was pretty obvious when Tyler Ennis was in Nylanders spot beside Matthews to start the year that it was temporary. The second Nylander signed he was getting that spot back as Ennis was clearly a placeholder. But now that Kapanen has grabbed that spot, I’m not so sure. He’s the same age as Nylander, first round pick, lots of skill (not as much as Willy) and works really hard (noticeably more than Nylander) . At this point if Nylander signs tomorrow I would not mess with those top 2 lines and have him start with Kadri on the 3rd line. Gives Naz someone to play with too. Also Gauthier has looked great as 4th centre since Lindholm went to wing with Kadri, so keep him there.

Marleau - Matthews - Kapanen
Hyman - Tavares - Marner
Brown - Kadri - Nylander
Lindholm - Gauthier - Leivo.

Unbiased Jim

1.) 12 Oct 2018 18:05:39
Those lines are nuts. I think you’re right about not changing things up. Nylander doesn’t get to hold out and then walk right on a top line. Make him earn it and yes it would help Kadri out for sure. They would have 3 legit scoring lines. I’m still up for trading Nylander for defensive help though.

2.) 12 Oct 2018 19:39:34
I think the Leafs should go with pairs and find the chemistry fit with those pairs.

Mathews - Nylander
Tavares - Marner
Kadri - Marleau

And I would first try
Hyman with Mathews and Nylander
Kapanen with Tavares and Marner
Brown (? ) with Kadri and Marleau.
Who ever else battle for 4th line and impress for a chance if any those three play bad and get switched out.

But. I'm also not exactly sure what way everyone shoots. So not sure those guess fits.

3.) 12 Oct 2018 19:55:23
Plus that gives 2 faceoff men on each line Matthews/ Marleau, Tavares/ Hyman, Kadri/ Nylander, Gauthier/ Lindholm (A Left and a right on each except 2 lefts on the top one) The way linesman like to toss guys now, that’s an understated advantage too. Either end of the ice, just that better chance of starting with the puck is huge. All the skill in the world is useless if you don’t have the puck on those guys sticks.

4.) 12 Oct 2018 21:53:45
@yupp that’s how they did it last year. Matthews/ Nylander, Kadri/ Marleau, Bozak/ JVR. I think when Marleau signed here, the prospect of playing with Matthews was part of it. Last year trying to balance the lines out, he rarely shared the ice with him. Then in the meetings with Tavares, a chance to start with Marner was actually requested. So they did it for him. Once that was done, it kinda felt like then they realized that Marleau should start with Matthews too. I don’t care what was said during those meetings, a linemate is not guaranteed if it doesn’t work on the ice, but Matthews has 9 goals in 5 games. 5 with Marleau at even strength and 4 on the PP. I don’t see a reason to break them up yet.

5.) 12 Oct 2018 22:24:51
If Kappanen scores at the same rate as nylander then what happens next season? Do you get rid of nylander or Kapenen? Because at the very least one will have to go.

6.) 13 Oct 2018 04:19:08
Depends on Kapanens negotiating process and what he’s willing to play for. Will he be a guy that is satisfied as a well paid sidekick to a superstar? Or will he hold a team hostage for giving him a great opportunity? In the coming years it won’t be as simple as who’s better unfortunately, it will be who’s better for their price.

7.) 13 Oct 2018 04:34:45
If all goes well, I’d like to see:

Marleau - Matthews - Kapanen
Hyman - Tavares - Marner
Johnsson - Kadri - Nylander
Leivo - Lindholm - Brown

This is solely dependant on AJ earning his ice again. I liked Lindholm against Detroit, but I feel like Gauthier just doesn’t fit an NHL team in general, more of a depth replacement. Leivo has some good size, I think taking out Gathier for Johnsson and allowing Leivo the fourth line allows some meanness on the fourth.

8.) 14 Oct 2018 04:31:40
I thought gauthier was pretty solid in the 4th centre slot. He’s worked a ton on his skating and it shows. Never going to be the fastest or most agile guy but he has size and strength we are lacking on the roster and is a real good character. He goes 100% and is a model of perseverance. I’m a goat fan. Hope he can stick.



11 Oct 2018 14:55:55
I’ve heard, and read, a lot of fans being really upset with Nylander. As much as I’m not happy he’s not signed, I understand the difficult spot he’s in.

If the reports are right, leafs are offering between $6.25 and $6.75 mill. I think that’s fair money. That’s not asking him to take a big discount, also not overpaying him. He apparently wants $8mill+ which is really high.

Here’s where I feel for him. A lot has been made about him being the first of the big 3 to sign and the others are going to get a lot more money then he could feel like a fool. But that’s not what I was thinking. What I was looking at is the CBA rules are that a player can’t get a NoTradeClause until he’s eligible for group 3 UFA (7 years of service or 27 years old)

So if Nylander is convinced to sign at $6.5mill to be part of a special team and the cap gets really tight like it will, he’s exposong himself. Tavares completely controls his own destiny, Matthews and Marner aren’t going anywhere so he would be the obvious one to trade for cap reasons.

So asking for $8-8.5mill, to me anyway, is his way of putting his own No Trade Clause that he's not entitled to in the CBA. At $6.5 mill, unless his production falls off a cliff they could trade him somewhere. At $8.5 unless his production skyrockets off the charts, no way.

I could be way off here but if that’s what he’s thinking, as much as he’s not doing himself any favours sitting out, I could respect where he’s coming from. Because when people say “if he wants $8mill he can go get it in Arizona”, well if he signs for $6.5mill here, he could still be in Arizona next season. Leafs are asking him to make a 7-8 year commitment to them when in reality their commitment to him would be reassessed day by day. I can feel for the guy, not to make him seem hard done by playing anywhere in the league for $6.5 mill tho lol.

Unbiased Jim

1.) 11 Oct 2018 16:46:36
Yeah I heard this 3 different times yesterday I think nick kypreos was the first one to bring it up yesterday. It could definitely be the case. I also don't think shanahan coming out and saying the players were going to have to take less money on their new deals helped much either. Also maybe nylander feels he's ready to go somewhere now and be the go to guy instead of being 4th on the forward depth chart in toronto. Maybe he's trying to force them into a trade now. Or maybe he signs tomorrow lol.

2.) 11 Oct 2018 16:54:00
It’s a bit far fetched. If Nylander wanted to do something like that, he could take a front loaded contract. That would prevent Leafs from trading him the first 3-4 years let’s say, while still leaving AAV in the range we want. Then if his production falls, we can trade him to a cap floor team the second half of the contract.

3.) 11 Oct 2018 18:08:51
Yeah. That’s possible. Pierre Lebrun yesterday said he was talking to a west teams GM who apparently had interest in Nylander and called Dubas. He said Dubas responded quickly saying “I’m not trading him”. So that’s his plan as of Tuesday, but with a December 1st dealine, things will change quickly.

4.) 11 Oct 2018 19:17:54
Ok I'm starting to get fed up with this Nylander garbage, I have two words:

If the leafs were to just try and sign Nylander to a bridge deal they could say hey, we'll give you 5.5-6 mill for 2 years and when Marleau's contract is up we can give you an extra 2 mill, deal?

This would also give time for Nylander to prove to management that he is worth paying $7.5-8 million for.

You could say "Oh well it's not that simple", but at least it can't be worse then the current situation right?

The way I see it is Nylander won't back down from his $8 mill ask even if the leafs do continue their hot streak of offence, so the leafs are either going to have to trade him, or get him on a bridge deal.

If they want to give him $6 mill long term then why not just give it to him for a couple of years, it's the same amount of money against the cap but it's just for a shorter period of time. In my eyes it is something Nylander would be fine with taking especially if he wants a longer amount of time to prove himself and wants to be making more money.

BRIDGE DEAL-Please just do it.

5.) 11 Oct 2018 20:05:10
It sounds good but he’s not willing to take less years either. The 2 and 3 year deals were apparently discussed and he wants long term security. Team and player both prefer long term it said, but team may work around it. Nylander wouldn’t budge off 7 years and $8+ mill.

6.) 12 Oct 2018 18:10:53
I read that he doesn’t want to take too much of a hometown discount because he thinks he could still be the odd man out down the road. It’s hard to blame any of these young kids for looking after their own future as well. But the way the leafs offence is looking, he may have made the wrong choice. Especially if he gets traded to a bottom feeder.

7.) 12 Oct 2018 20:13:23
Yeah. I don’t blame him personally. If he thinks he’s looking after himself, then that’s what he should do. He just has to be willing to live with the consequences of his stance and hopefully not regret it. Now, if it’s his dad who is kinda trying to live through William and get back at ‘greedy owners’ for his own shortcomings during his career, that’s different. It kinda sounds from a few of the reports that could be the case. I don’t mind hearing his dads involved and giving him advice and perspective but if he’s the one waging the war and his son is going to suffer the consequences, that’s wrong.

8.) 13 Oct 2018 16:28:42
You’re right. Little Willie needs to tell daddy to back off and make his own decision.



10 Oct 2018 05:29:27
Big guns still carrying the leafs. Matthews, Rielly, marner and JT have 34 pts in 4 games lol I know it’s early but that’s just insanity. Rielly and Matthews leading the league at 10 (Mcdavid has only played one game, needs to be mentioned lol)

Also nice seeing kapanen with 4 pts in 2 games in Nylanders spot too. Absolutely no leverage to Nylander at this point. He’s a really good player, but what he brings, they have plenty of apparently at the moment.

If Matthews and Tavares don’t score in a period, is that now called a slump?!? Lol still lots to improve on defensively but it’s such fun hockey to watch. I was anticipating watching the game so much tonight and when it ended, immediately was looking forward to Thursday. It must suck for oilers fans right now with one game in the first 9 days of the season. The league really dropped the ball on that scheduling.

Unbiased Jim

1.) 10 Oct 2018 06:56:08
Matthews and JT look like they are going to hit 50 goals each this year. Would be nice to see a couple of our guys win some hardware like the Rocket Richard Trophy or something.

It was estimated Leafs might pass 300 goals this year. At the current rate, they are on pace for over 400. That’s a ridiculous amount of goals. Lol.

Leaf fans must be feeling pretty giddy right about now.

2.) 10 Oct 2018 16:04:29
Well mcdavid has 81 games left to dominate because of the bad scheduling. Why they choose to send him away for 10 days to start the season and only get one real game there to promote is rediculous.

Plus, devils and oilers only play each other twice a year, one in each barn. So who’s ‘home game’ was that? Because now either the oilers don’t get to hype up another game of Taylor Hall coming back to town with some hardware, or even worse, devils lose the chance to host mcdavid in the swamp. Like I said, I actually feel for oilers fans on this one. Atleast last year Colorado and Ottawa did their home and home overseas and the captain of both teams were Swedish, had a little more meaning than just hiding the face of the league.

3.) 10 Oct 2018 19:23:09
I've seen parade routes already posted.

4.) 10 Oct 2018 19:53:15
@yupp Some of those were there in June.

5.) 10 Oct 2018 19:56:46
Actually Yupp, Burkie left the one he planned, so we are just going to use it lol and I said there’s tons to improve on and that this team has shown it’s not ready to compete with the big boys defensively yet. Just exciting, throw back, high scoring hockey that fans love and coaches hate. got to enjoy it while it lasts, because as hard as it will be to match up against leafs top 6, teams will find a way to slow it down eventually.




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22 Oct 2018 19:07:40
I don’t think Arizona would have any interest in that move. Don’t think minny would trade Dumba either. The pesce one is possible.

Also for that lineup, if Gardiner was to go, dermott would have his spot as 2LD. You have 2 RD together on second pair and 2 LD on 3rd pair. Ozhiganov hasn’t been able to stay in the lineup yet and shouldn’t be up on 2nd pair. I would have Dermott/ Zaitsev and then Hainsey/ Ozhiganov.

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22 Oct 2018 19:03:47
That’s a tough choice, eh Sosa?! Haha.

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20 Oct 2018 20:39:40
Yeah, i don’t want to trade Kadri, but it might have to happen eventually. But no way Montreal is involved in this deal haha back to back 30 goal years at $4.5 mill for 4 more years and can be a very effective matchup centre as well. And spurgeon is a good skating puck moving RHD. Where does Poehling fit in the conversation with those 2? Lol

Drouin ——> Edmonton
Nurse ——> Nashville
Shane Bowers ——> Montreal

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19 Oct 2018 19:47:12
Yeah, player for player I’m not debating Nylander equals panarin. Just that panarin will demand $8.5+ mill in July which he will be worth but we can’t afford and we would be competing with 30 teams to try to keep him. Nylander can demand $8.5mill all he wants, Dubas controls his future. So at the end of the day it’s trading off 5 years of a 60-70 pt guy for 1 year of a 75-80 pt guy, when scoring is the least of our worries.

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19 Oct 2018 17:10:54
First of all as well stated Nylander won’t sign in Toronto for $6.5. He won’t sign anywhere else for less.

And Giordano NEXT YEAR for Shea Theodore and a 1st?! He’s goinn to be a year older yet again and Theodore should take another step forward by then while Gio takes a step thebother direction. Not taking a shot at gio, I love the way he plays, but it’s just nature, he’s long past his prime and Theodore hasn’t entered his yet. If you flipped it and made Calgary give the 1st with Gio, Vegas would say no unless flames fell apart and it was a very high pick.

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