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17 Aug 2017 19:11:52
Detroit is in cap jail. Even after putting Franzen on LTIR, they still have under a mill with Athanasiou still to sign. Buffalo takes advantage and acquires speedy winger Nyquist and a overpaid Sheahan from Detroit. Nyquist immediately makes our top-6 stronger and allows Reinhart to fall into his natural position at center to create 3 strong scoring lines. Buffalo sends Detroit Girgensons whose a very solid two-way center but needs to find a way to start scoring again in a new system, a young offensive winger in Baptiste who should be in the NHL this year or next, and a offensive RHD with some upside in Nelson.
Detroit trades:
Nyquist, G
Sheahan, R
to Buffalo for:
Baptiste, N.
Nelson, C.
Girgensons, Z.
1.) 17 Aug 2017 20:45:16
This is an interesting deal, I don't know much about Baptiste or Nelson to truly understand their values. Detroit's prospect needs is quality Centers or Defenseman because that's our biggest long-term weakness considering our depth of winger prospects.
Detroit has no need for Girgensons who is a 2-way Center who underproduced, Detroit has that already.
Now Nyquist has a NTC I believe, not sure he would waive for Buffalo while he is available for the right price as well.
Sheahan is available but since his value is low, may not love him yet.
Does Buffalo have any young current D-men or high quality D-prospects besides Nelson they may consider moving? Is Jake McCabe available? What's the ask for him?
2.) 17 Aug 2017 20:48:10
Also would Buffalo be interested in Rochester, NY native Jimmy Howard to help with our cap problem.
I would take picks/ prospects in exchange. It gives Buffalo three goalies but they could move the underperforming one. Howard when healthy plays well and might be a good fit. Lehner has been shaky at times so having Howard might a good insurance.
3.) 17 Aug 2017 22:57:49
Datsyuk, thank you for your comments. I actually saw this on a different fan forum and had the same impression as you, but the responses were overwhelming favorable so I wanted to test this trade here. I also thought of Howard, especially since Gionta is from Rochester. Baptiste appears to be ready to make the jump to the NHL, Nelson's top end IMO is bottom 6 D-man and Girgensons had one good 3/ 4 season and was voted to an all star game. So Detroit is getting cap relief and a top 6 prospect, a bottom six forward, and bottom pairing defense-man prospect.
4.) 18 Aug 2017 17:49:18
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5.) 18 Aug 2017 23:19:05
@sbr2017
Thank you for this post and coming up with some ideas here. I do see why this may be favourable on other sides. I think value wise we are somewhat close here.
However, is there any other available prospects you would be willing to move with similar values. Detroit needs a top 6 potential C because behind Larkin it's a little up for grabs or a Defense prospect that could reach top 4 or higher potential. Just need wise they would be better fits. Nelson seems to be kind of what we already have in Ouellet/ Sproul unless they can step up, so seemingly redundant for us. Similar to what I said about Girgensons as we already have guys like Helm/ Glenndenning or even Sheahan who underproduced but plays strong 2-way game.
I see a deal being possible here, just looking for more need focused players while Baptiste is useful, just not a position that needs to be filled since we have options.
Any suggestions? Also would be willing to take picks if you can't meet the needs.
12 Aug 2017 23:45:35
Buffalo trade Josh Gorges, Zegmus Girgenson and 2018 2nd to
Boston Bruins for Spooner
Buffalo could use a Left Center on the 3rd line and PP
Boston could use a Left Defense-man, Girgensons could fill the 4th center spot, plus a pick, which if the Sabres miss the playoffs could be pretty good.
Spooner is essential a spare part for Boston as are Gorges and Girgensons for Buffalo.
Please let me know what Buffalo needs to add. If one should consider commenting please include constructive suggestions.
1.) 15 Aug 2017 04:34:44
I was hoping for comments, 12 unbelievable does not indicated why it is unbelievable. But 5 believable leads me to think that the unbelievable are split 50/ 50.
10 Aug 2017 02:41:29
Buffalo trades:
Girgensons,
McCabe,
Ghule,
Nylander
to Colorado for
Duchene
Please explain who needs to add or how to improve on this trade.
1.) 10 Aug 2017 05:53:42
For a sabres fan o assume due to your name why would u make this trade that's a hell of Lot.
2.) 10 Aug 2017 13:07:32
Thank you Mike13isback. I thought I may get some push back because there are not any top line players nor 1st round picks going to Colorado. IMO Girgensons is just hanging on because he had one good 3/ 4 season and was selected to an all star game (I would have liked to see Buffalo resign Grigorenko and trade Girgensons) . McCabe is the best player of the group, who would really hate to lose, but now appears to be a 2nd line D-man. Ghule appears to be the same. Nylander is a conundrum, is he a top line player or too small to play in the NHL? A year in the AHL and 4 games with the Sabres leads me to be it is the latter.
3.) 10 Aug 2017 15:39:14
can't be doubting Nylander already. 4 games and you think he's too small for the NHL? The kid has massive upside, pedigree and the way the league is now, he will be fine. He's listed at 6'1 179lbs, Marner is 6'0" 170. He's only a year removed from being drafted so he is in the exact spot Marner was a year ago. Marner just had 61 pts in his first 77 NHL games. Nylander could do get this year. If you're talented enough, and given a chance, the size means nothing anymore. I can only imagine what leaf fans would think if we traded Marner last year in a package for someone 8 years older and he did that for another team. Sabres have great pieces, just taking a little longer than hoped but they got to be patient with kids like Nylander.
4.) 10 Aug 2017 17:50:04
Unbiased Jim thanks for the comments. If Nylander is 6.1 there are a lot of 7 foot NHL players. He looked very small when I saw him play. That being said, I just wanted to see what other people thought of the trade. As I said above I thought other contributors would think I was offering too little. BTW yes the rebuild is taking WAY too long, IMO Murray could hardly have done worse job rebuilding. Five years ago, hockey sports writers voted buffalo to win the cup this year, now I think they are predicting the Sabres to miss the playoffs this year. Not a very productive rebuild. Murray mis-handled so many assets, drafted poorly, asked for too much when trading Stewart and Moulson, and gave away too much in other trades.
5.) 10 Aug 2017 23:45:01
Not terrible but seems like a bit too much from Buffalo for someone they don't exactly really need. Avs take this imo. Nylander is a top prospect for Buffalo and Guhle probably is their best defensive prospect. McCabe is no slouch either, seems like a good young top 6 D, potential top 4 guy for you. Girgensons probably doesn't have much value in this deal but would be an ok bottom 6 guy. Sabres already have a solid top 6 forward group of Eichel, Reinhart, ROR, Okposo, Kane (probably will walk next year) ( (Nylander and Middlestat coming up within the next few season) ) . Sabres should target someone like a Tyson Barrie (puck moving top 4 Dman) instead of a Duchene (1st line/ top 6 forward) .
29 Jun 2015 17:46:36
BOS trades Loui Eriksson to
BUF for Markus Foligno, Cody Hodgson, Matt Moulson and Nick Baptiste
Foligno takes on the role of Lucic and playing with Bergeron or Krejci may make Boston forget about Lucic. Hodgson has proven that he could score 20 or more goals with decent line mates and could take Eriksson in the line up. Moulson also playing with Bergeron or Krejci could return to his 30 goals per year performance. Eriksson give BUF that top RW needed to fill out their top 6 (O'Reilly, Eichel, Reinhart, Kane, Ennis and Eriksson)
1.) 29 Jun 2015 18:35:03
Hodgson has proved he can score 20 goals? When? Where? The OHL? If he was a 20 goal scorer they wouldn't be buying him out dude.
2.) 29 Jun 2015 19:46:23
Boston already has cap trouble and you wanna trade 4.25mil for over 11mil. and you return for errikson is ridiculous
3.) 29 Jun 2015 20:23:22
Thanks for the feedback. I know that Chiarelli was shopping Eriksson I do not know if Sweeney is doing the same. Maybe if Murray held back some of Hodgson salary and replaced Moulson with a pick or an another prospect?
@Shootsmcgee I completely forgot about the cap, that was a real brain fart on my part. I wonder though if Foligno would be a good fit in Boston?
@Stammer2Leafs2016 Hodgson scored 16 goals in 63 games for Van in '11-'12, 15 goals in 48 games for Buf in '12-'13 and 20 goals in '13-'14 in 72 games. So prior to the lost season with (butt)head coach Ted Nolan, he scored .29 g/gm over a 3 year period (Loui over his career scores .28 g/gm) or 23 goals/82 games and he has never had a center as Krejci nor Bergeron to play with.
As I said above, I thought this trade could work for Boston, giving them two young players.
25 Jun 2015 15:22:50
BUF trades Cody Hodgson to
CHI for Brian Bickell
Chicago then buys or Hodgson to save $3,000,000 cap space
1.) 25 Jun 2015 16:09:52
Or they can trade Bickell and a late pick for a later pick and save 4m in cap space.
2.) 25 Jun 2015 16:33:16
@TheNumbNut This allows CHI to keep the pick, but I do agree with you.
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19 May 2015 15:32:53
2009-Sep-18 Phil Kessel traded from Boston Bruins to Toronto Maple Leafs for 2010 1st & 2nd and 2011 1st. What is Kessel's value now? The same 2 1st and a 2nd? The same as Evander Kane a UFA, two "C" prospects and a 1st? Or is it less?
Would this be fair:
Nick Baptiste, Zemgus Girgensons & NYI 2015 2nd?
Only McDavid had more playoff points for Erie than Baptiste. Girgensons looks like he could be a #2 center on the right team and could have been the Sabres leading scorer last year if he did not get hurt. Finally, a 2nd in a good draft.
As a Sabre fan, I really want to see Baptiste in a Sabre uniform one day, but imagining a top line of Kane-Eichel-Kessel and a 2nd line of Moulson-Reinhart-Ennis would be worth making the trade.
1.) 20 May 2015 02:19:32
As someone who dislikes the Leafs and Sabres I have been saying this since they picked up Kane, If they jsut had a scoring winger like a Kessel their top two lines would be very very good. And that might be giving up a ton for Kessel but like you said, it could be worth it, I still beleive its a littel bit of an overpayment, but probably have to overpay to trade within the division.
2.) 21 May 2015 01:04:14
The Leafs might certainly trade Kessel, but I don't think he would go to a division rival.
03 Mar 2015 11:34:30
Tim Murray did very well trading most of the Sabre's UFA players. The going rate for a back up GK was a 3rd (if a team was willing to accept the player), trading 3rd and 4th line players for a 5th and 7th is very rare, especially to the same team, and most people thought Stewart would be traded for a 3rd. The only regret was not being able to move any of the Sabre UFA D-men. MIN picked up Leopold for a 5th and TBL was robbed when they gave up a 1st for Coburn. I wish Murray could have traded either Strachan or Benoit to MIN (especially since Murray was talking to them) and Meszaros (he is +3 since October 23rd) to TBL for a 4th (the difference in talent between Coburn and Meszaros is not a 1st round pick). IMO if Murray was able to move two of the Sabre's UFA D-men I would have given him an A+ for the dead line trades. Including his previous trades he managed his trades exceptionally well. Flyers and Coyotes did very well trading for the future, but with assets he had to move Murray was excellent.
27 Feb 2015 03:31:06
Nonis is a genius:
Toronto Maple Leafs trade David Clarkson (F) to Columbus Blue Jackets for Nathan Horton (F).
1.) The idea was reportedly proposed by Columbus, but yes, it couldn't have worked out better for either team. Brilliant transaction.
2.) Im a leafs fan so i'm obviously very happy with this trade this cap space could give us a lot of different options going forward so I really hope we don't waste it.
As for Nonis I hate that people are calling him a genius when he was the one that signed Clarkson to that contract. I understand that during that offseason there was a lot of pressure on Nonis to get a deal done but if you looked at Clarkson's stats before his breakout out year they weren't that great. They should have known they weren't getting a second line winger instead they were getting an aging bottom six type guy. Nonis is also really lucky he's on the richest team in the league or else he would have never had this option. All together I think Toronto needs to look for a gm that can take the pressure of being in Toronto and evaluate players better so they can avoid contracts like Phanuefs deal and so that they can avoid signing players like Clarkson in free agency.
19 Feb 2015 02:48:24
Chris Chelios was 37 when Scotty Bowman traded Anders Eriksson, 1999 1st and 2001 1st to pick him up. There are rumors that Chara is being mentioned as a deadline move. Any chance that Ken Holland would trade a 1st for Zdeno Chara?
1.) 19 Feb 2015 04:22:44
i think someone would offer a 1st for chara, but not really thinking it'd be detroit. more of a legit contender, like anaheim, I think would be more inclined to take on chara.
2.) Agreed and my guess is he would cost more than a 1st as well.
3.) I don't think Holland trades a first. For the price Chara could definately be gone by the deadline.
4.) Chara is old and slow, he'll retire a bruin.
5.) Boston is in their own playoff hunt, Chara will not be traded
6.) Yeah but the Chelios trade, those two picks turned into Steve McCarthy and Adam Munro.
Detroit won that trade. If whoever trades for Chara wins the cup in the next 2 years, they're going to be heralded as geniuses.
28 Jan 2015 05:05:28
Mike Richards cleared waivers. I still would like to see the Sabres pick him up
1.) A lot of teams obviously wanted him but if they would've picked him up their cap would be over. That's why teams are looking to trade for him instead.
2.) I don't think it is obvious a lot of teams are interested. He's a 4th line player who hasn't scored well since getting to LA and is owed just under 6 mill a year through 2020. I don't really understand why anyone is interested it would be so hard to compete giving a 4th like player that kind of money
3.) @jbs32 He hasn't played well since Jeff Carter got there.
4.) Yeah he's not playing well because he's getting 4th line minutes playing with 4th liners. Place him on a higher line with better line mates to help him get his game back
5.) ^ he may have been getting 4th line minutes, but all that means is that 3 other Cs were playing better than him.
I am sure that's not encouraging for a team looking to make a trade. I am sure Richards could be useful to a team out there, but no one wants him with his contract.
6.) @THEGR81
He's out of role. He's a top 2 center. With Kopitar and Carter, he's not going to get that chance. Stoll is a classic 3rd liner. Which leaves Richards at 4th. Just the way the cookie crumbled.
17 Aug 2017 22:57:49
Datsyuk, thank you for your comments. I actually saw this on a different fan forum and had the same impression as you, but the responses were overwhelming favorable so I wanted to test this trade here. I also thought of Howard, especially since Gionta is from Rochester. Baptiste appears to be ready to make the jump to the NHL, Nelson's top end IMO is bottom 6 D-man and Girgensons had one good 3/ 4 season and was voted to an all star game. So Detroit is getting cap relief and a top 6 prospect, a bottom six forward, and bottom pairing defense-man prospect.
15 Aug 2017 04:34:44
I was hoping for comments, 12 unbelievable does not indicated why it is unbelievable. But 5 believable leads me to think that the unbelievable are split 50/ 50.
10 Aug 2017 17:50:04
Unbiased Jim thanks for the comments. If Nylander is 6.1 there are a lot of 7 foot NHL players. He looked very small when I saw him play. That being said, I just wanted to see what other people thought of the trade. As I said above I thought other contributors would think I was offering too little. BTW yes the rebuild is taking WAY too long, IMO Murray could hardly have done worse job rebuilding. Five years ago, hockey sports writers voted buffalo to win the cup this year, now I think they are predicting the Sabres to miss the playoffs this year. Not a very productive rebuild. Murray mis-handled so many assets, drafted poorly, asked for too much when trading Stewart and Moulson, and gave away too much in other trades.
10 Aug 2017 13:07:32
Thank you Mike13isback. I thought I may get some push back because there are not any top line players nor 1st round picks going to Colorado. IMO Girgensons is just hanging on because he had one good 3/ 4 season and was selected to an all star game (I would have liked to see Buffalo resign Grigorenko and trade Girgensons) . McCabe is the best player of the group, who would really hate to lose, but now appears to be a 2nd line D-man. Ghule appears to be the same. Nylander is a conundrum, is he a top line player or too small to play in the NHL? A year in the AHL and 4 games with the Sabres leads me to be it is the latter.
04 Dec 2015 16:10:39
You do know that Murray traded 2 2nds and McCabe for Fashings and Deslauriers? So Tinordi who has not played an NHL game this year will return Fashings? Seriouisly, with only Doughty and Muzzin getting more ice time than McCabe what do you really think Fashings is worth a 1st round bust and a 5th?
03 Mar 2015 17:22:43
It looks like Regier is trying his hardest to beat Murray to the bottom. That would be the greatest revenge on the Sabre Fans (who hated Regier) if the Coyotes finished 30th and won a cup before the Sabres. LMFAO!!