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20 Oct 2018 21:10:18
Deal now:
To Carolina:
Nylander, Durzi, Marincin, Neilson
To Leafs:
Pesce, Foegele, Zykov

In January (for cap space and for defence improvement)
To NYI:
2019 1st, Zaitsev, Leivo
To Leafs:
Pulock, possible pick/prospect depending on Pulock's play, Zaitsev's play, and Leivo's play up to that point

Deadline deal
To Columbus:
Gardiner (extension from Columbus required), condtional 2020 1st (becomes 2nd, 2021 3rd if Panarin doesn't re-sign), Brown, 2019 4th
To Leafs:
Panarin (he will be cheaper to get by this point)

Lines:
Marleau/Matthews/Panarin
Hyman/Tavares/Marner
Foegele/Kadri/Kapanen
Johnsson/Lindholm/Zykov
*Ennis, Gauthier
Reilly/Pulock
Dermott/Pesce
Hainsey/Ozhiganov
*Holl
Anderson
Sparks

Cmon how could you not love that team?
Scratched players all under $700 thousand

Solid 4th line and each player under 1mill

Third line of hard workers that can score and take on other teams top lines

And the other two are nothing special, just so we can throw a team together 😂

People seemed to like this on the leafs rumours site, so I wanted to branch out a bit and get more opinions

themostleaf33

1.) 21 Oct 2018 01:40:08
I’d make all of those trades from a leafs POV.


2.) 21 Oct 2018 08:41:03
So if VB says he'd do all those trades from a Leafs POV, this prolly tells you all you need to know about whether those trades are fair.


3.) 21 Oct 2018 14:04:19
coming from the guy who thinks Stamkos>Mathews and Crosby—>Fantasy league.


4.) 21 Oct 2018 22:45:10
But Stamkos IS better than Mathews 🤔

Mathews: 69, 63 point seasons
Stamkos: 46, 95, 91, 97, 57, 40, 72, 64, 20, 86,
Mathews was injured 20 games season #2 and Stamkos was injured half or so of season #5, 6, 9.
Mathews 1 - 40 goal season
Stamkos 4 - 40+ goal season, 1 is 51 and 1 is 60.
Not sure how you argue those numbers.


5.) 22 Oct 2018 03:01:01
Ok but Matthews also missed about a quarter of the season last year, he would’ve hit 70 for sure and probably 75, maybe even 80.


6.) 22 Oct 2018 04:05:43
You can’t argue those numbers. Stamkos has been a stud for years and leaf fans can only hope Matthews has a career as good as Stamkos.


7.) 22 Oct 2018 09:38:06
"coming from the guy who thinks Stamkos>Mathews and Crosby—>Fantasy league. "
Well #1 I literally never said anything about that since that never was a topic and #2 as pointed out above by others, Stamkos has had an impressive career. This season so far, Matthews is the better player, no doubt.


8.) 22 Oct 2018 17:31:09
It’s funny how my posts are always used for arguing about stuff not related to it.


 

 

18 Oct 2018 16:12:25
This trade would never happen but you know I just feel like this today
To Leafs:
Bobrovsky, Panarin, Nutivaara
To Columbus:
Anderson, Gardiner, Nylander, 2020 2nd
Anderson+2nd=Bobrovsky
Nylander=Panarin
Gardiner=Nutivaara

themostleaf33

1.) 18 Oct 2018 19:24:23
Never happen like you said. Bobrovsky apparently wants Price money. So taking that into consideration, I’m satisfied with Andersen at $5mill for 3 more years. 5 years control of Nylander for a year of Panarin isn’t worth it. And UFA Gardiner for a 20 year old good Dman makes no sense for CBJ. If they’re losing their star goalie and best forward, what is the point of adding Gardiner?


2.) 18 Oct 2018 19:47:29
Nylander is not close to panarin, maybe nylander will be 5 years from now but not close right now, panarin has earned 8+ a year, nylander hasnt.


3.) 18 Oct 2018 22:24:32
Read what he said Shoots, he said he prefers having Nylander under control for 5 more years than having Panarin for 1. And he is right.


4.) 19 Oct 2018 12:26:12
What he said is they're equal, nylander wants more money that isn't earned, panarin is proven he's earned a contract, nylander has a few years to earn. Much rather have panarin at 6 mil this year than 8 mil nylander. Panarin has much better stats playing with lesser players.


5.) 19 Oct 2018 12:40:01
If leafs can sign nylander at 6m-6.5 for 3-5 years, he's worth it, but at his contract demands, he ain't worth nothing. No team is paying a 60 point player 8 million a year long term.


6.) 19 Oct 2018 12:55:36
And not responding to Jim if that's what's you're talking about cherry, he always has good input, I get the control of the player but they are not equal, not close, not what I was talking about.


7.) 19 Oct 2018 17:39:25
My apologies Shoots, thought you were referring to the 1st response.


8.) 19 Oct 2018 19:47:12
Yeah, player for player I’m not debating Nylander equals panarin. Just that panarin will demand $8.5+ mill in July which he will be worth but we can’t afford and we would be competing with 30 teams to try to keep him. Nylander can demand $8.5mill all he wants, Dubas controls his future. So at the end of the day it’s trading off 5 years of a 60-70 pt guy for 1 year of a 75-80 pt guy, when scoring is the least of our worries.


9.) 20 Oct 2018 05:01:48
Totally agree jim.


10.) 20 Oct 2018 16:12:36
Ya but Nylamder could become a 80-100 point guy. Here's why, how many players have we seen getting 30-60 points season until the age of 23 and then after that getting 60+ points season? Barkov is an example. I think 60 is just the start for Nylander I don't know why people think he can't prosgress more then just a 70 point player. I've never been a fan of leafs but if mtl can get Nylander oh boy what a team. And why would he take less the 7 million? Because Pastnark took a discount 2 years ago so Nylander has to be lower then what Boston plays him? Lol.


 

 

10 Oct 2018 14:47:37
With Murray down, do you think Pittsburgh could think about aquiring Bobrovsky?
To Columbus:
Desmith, 2019 1st, Sprong, Maatta
To Pittsburgh:
Bobrovsky (1 year extension), Milano

themostleaf33

1.) 10 Oct 2018 16:03:14
I think Columbus is going to ride Bobrovsky myself. A 2x Vezina winner in net to carry them deep into the playoffs. He’s still regarded my most to be the best goalie in the league. AS Columbus sees themselves as competitive, you can be sure they will keep him. As we saw last year, and virtually almost every year, a hot goalie can carry a team all the way. And who better to bet on than Bobrovsky?


2.) 10 Oct 2018 16:59:44
What's with the 1 year extension? You think bobrovsky or any other star player would sign a 1 year extension? I know I don't.


3.) 10 Oct 2018 19:08:03
Idk just to make it more fair I guess.


 

 

09 Oct 2018 14:25:33
Once Kase is back from his concussion:
To Anaheim:
Nylander, Brown, Zaitsev
To Leafs:
Manson, Kase

Nylander goes over to replace Perry long term, and Anaheim can either keep Perry on LTIR or deal him

Deadline deal:
To Columbus
Gardiner (extension), Marincin, Moore, 2019 2nd
To Leafs:
Savard, Milano

Lines
Hyman/Tavares/Marner
Marleau/Matthews/Kase
Johnsson/Kadri/Kapanen
Milano/Lindholm/Leivo
*Goat, Ennis
Rielly/Manson
Dermott/Savard
Hainsey/Ozhiganov
*Holl
Anderson
Sparks

Posted this on the leafs rumours site but I wanted more opinions on it

themostleaf33

1.) 09 Oct 2018 16:23:20
The Columbus deal would have to happen first so we have Savard to replace Zaitsev when we trade him. Otherwise we short ourselves at RHD again. Granted, Manson is better than Zaitsev. But we need someone to compliment him, not replace him.

The Anaheim deal looks pretty good. Not sure Anaheim will be wanting to move Kase though. They need all the forwards they can get.

The Columbus deal looks like it favours the Leafs. Let’s just say for arguments sake if, and it’s a big if, Gardiner = Savard, then I don’t feel the rest of what you are offering is equal to Milano. He said going to be a real stud. Marincin is garbage. Moore is half decent prospect, and the 2nd May never work out. For Milano you would have to be willing to give up a decent NHL player who can contribute immediately.

I like all the guys you suggested. Lineups look good. With a little tweaking, I think you have the right idea.


2.) 09 Oct 2018 17:06:02
Couldn’t we just do this until the Savard trade
Rielly/ Manson
Gardiner/ Hainsey
Dermott/ Ozhiganov
*Holl, Marincin
I mean Hainsey already has top 4 experience and he can cover for Gardiner’s mistakes so why not?


3.) 09 Oct 2018 17:11:15
Also, I know Anaheim won’t want to move Kase, which is why I send back Brown as well, so they are actually getting 2 forwards back for 1
Milano isn’t going to be that good, he is playing 4th line right now and is basically a replacement of Brown, if anything I would add Leivo because we already have Ennis.


4.) 09 Oct 2018 17:50:52
Pretty sure anahiem doesn't have the cap room to do this. Unless they plan to waive kesler and perry when they get back from injury. Then this deal turns into perry kesler manson kase for nylander brown and zaitsev which I don't think they even consider.


5.) 09 Oct 2018 18:47:31
Brown+Zaitsev=6.6mill
Manson+Kase=6.7mill
That cancels out
Nylander=Perry
The whole point of this deal for Anaheim is to have a long term replacement for Perry, his contract is more then Nylander’s will be so when Perry gets back, the ducks can deal him as well for defence, you could say the ducks win this deal by a landslide
They don’t have to do anything with Kessler.


6.) 09 Oct 2018 18:54:42
Sorry I meant to say defence prospects, not defence because that would also mess with the cap.


7.) 09 Oct 2018 20:01:04
One more thing, and I know this will start a heated conversation
Gardiner is better, actually WAY better then Savard
He has WAY more trade value, especially with an extension
Gardiner-52 points in 82 games (not injury prone), +9 playing with Zaitsev, $4.05 mill salary
Savard-16 points and +2 in 81 games (not injury prone) last year, $4.25 mill salary
Who would you rather have?
Answer: Gardiner

Just because Gardiner gives up the puck a bit more then average doesn't mean he is a bad defender, all of you act like he is Ryan Murray, which isn't even close in comparison.
Plus most of the time when he does cough up the puck, he recovers it, the Boston game was just an example of what can happen if he coughs it up to one of the best lines in the league and can't recover, which would happen to any normal, or even elite defenceman.

I honestly think this deal is more fair and realistic:
To Columbus:
Gardiner (extension), maybe a "guy" (Marincin, Goat)
To Leafs:
Nutivaara, Milano

But obviously you all don't think he is worth $6 million dollars

Every layer has flaws, but the thing about Gardiner's is that he makes one, recovers the puck, and gets an assist, goal, or makes a beauty pass after, you have to look past his flaws and you can really see what a special ELITE $6 million plus player he really is, he deserves to be treated that way.

The only reason I'm trading this guy so much is because the leafs can't afford his contract next year, but they could afford Nutivaara's, which is looking like a much better trade right now then the Savard (who looks like he is declining in skill) deal.


8.) 09 Oct 2018 21:54:24
Gardiner definitely has more value then savard you may not like Gardiner but the reality is Numbers don’t lie.


9.) 09 Oct 2018 22:35:06
If they can trade perry. But that's a big IF.


10.) 09 Oct 2018 23:06:27
@Habby, your not wrong, it is an if, but if it came down to Perry or Nylander, who would you rather have?
Also, I can see Perry being like a Rick Nash from last year, lots of injuries and a high contract but he puts up points, so maybe Boston trades one of their picks and prospects for him to fill the hole on their right wing side, or a team like Columbus if they lose Panarin may ask about him, or a playoff hopeful like Buffalo who wants to up their offence and maybe trade a guy like Alex Nylander to do it, just a few examples of who would be interested.


11.) 09 Oct 2018 23:23:14
I think Anaheim views Kase as a potential long term Perry replacement. I personally think he’s undervalued here and Anaheim is very high on him. Gardiner has more value than Savard, and numbers may not lie but can be deceiving. got to look at Gardiners future output on a team that isn’t Toronto as what he did before Matthews Marner and Nylander, and those numbers are very different.


12.) 10 Oct 2018 00:01:23
Yeah, Perry won’t be easy to trade. That’s a big dollar amount attached to an aging player who will be coming of a serious injury.


13.) 10 Oct 2018 00:23:22
Anaheim will never be able to trade either Perry or Kessler.

Gardiner and savard are two completely different style players. It’s like comparing apples to oranges. The only thing they have in common is their job title. Except Savard can actually play defense. The only reason Gardiner has 52 points is a + player is because of the forwards in front of him. For most of his career until the likes of Matthews, Marner, and co. came along, Gardiner was deep in the minus. Gardiner is a beneficiary of having such a talented forward group to play with now, not the other way around.


14.) 10 Oct 2018 00:48:53
No Gardiner was a minus because he played for the worst team in the league, then when he joined an actual playoff team, he played like a normal defenceman would.


15.) 10 Oct 2018 03:01:33
@ mostleaf obviously I'd rather nylander lol. That isn't the point plus the perry situation is nothing like nash was last year. Nash was a pending ufa perry has 2 more years after this one at 8.5 mil. The only way the ducks can trade him is if they take back someone else on a hefty contract and therefore they would still be over the cap like I said.


16.) 10 Oct 2018 12:49:13
Anyone else just cringe after reading LeafsGMs analyst of Gardiner. +/ - is team star and the leafs had the worst team in the nhl Gardiner can’t win him self.


 

 

25 Sep 2018 20:39:51
To Arizona:
Brown, 2020 2nd, Rasanen, Sparks
To Leafs:
Fisher, 2020 3rd

Fair?

themostleaf33

1.) 25 Sep 2018 22:15:02
Arizona says no way value wise. and leafs don’t need a RW. Nylander will sign and still have Marner, Kapanen, Brown. Plus guys that are close but not quite ready like Bracco, Moore etc. And depth guys like Cracknell and Jooris they signed. Don’t need to be spending assets on it. This is the best leaf team on paper in a generation. Only glaring weak spot is RHD. If you’re not improving that, then no point.


2.) 26 Sep 2018 00:58:40
@Jim
If you didn't realize the leafs do this for cap space, they have to sign a bunch of players next year so every dollar helps.
I understand where your coming from on value though, and maybe Arizona takes out the third just to make this a little more even.
Also, Brown is included in this trade, this is to upgrade Kadri's right side, so basically Brown in being replaced by Fisher and the right side stays the same.
Also, I think your way undervaluing the second round pick, 6'7 Rasanen and Sparks, a goalie with an awesome save% last year in the AHL that Arizona could use to replace Kuemper, and who may have a shot at the starting role if he continues o improve after Raanta's contract is up.


3.) 26 Sep 2018 01:09:28
If you really don't think Rasanen has that much value, then what about Durzi instead of him and Arizona takes out their pick, now is it fair?


4.) 26 Sep 2018 14:00:07
Arizona needs to start winning games. I like Brown, he’s a really smart reliable player, but Fischer is a beast of a winger who should be a lot better scorer than brown. Those pieces coming back aren’t guarantees to pan out, so taking a step back again doesn’t make sense for the coyotes. Sparks has shown he’s an elite AHL goalie and has shown he’s not an NHL goalie yet. Hasn’t played an NHL game in almost 2 years and wasn’t impressive at all in preseason action. No team is taking him hoping he’s there starter next year or the year after. That’s what I meant by Arizona says no value wise. What they're getting makes them worse today (or atleast no better) and the futures going are far from studs to justify the move.


5.) 26 Sep 2018 18:25:29
Sparks wouldn't start for at least 3 more years in Arizona because of Raanta, but he would be the backup because in my opinion he is a lot better then Kuemper who posted just under .900 save% after going to Arizona, which shows he may not be the best fit for them.
Rasanen is considered to be a future, but I can honestly see him being in the NHL in the next 2 or at max 3 years, he is 6'7 and is a monster that Arizona could use to play top 4 d minutes when Demers leaves and protect their young players.


6.) 27 Sep 2018 18:54:18
You could be right. We are all speculating. But I’m not sold on Sparks as an NHL goalie and I don’t imagine a ton of teams are either. He’s been great in the minors and poor in the NHL when given the opportunity. Keuemper has had great moments and poor moments in the NHL. Don’t see Sparks as any upgrade. If we could keep him another year or 2, maybe he shows more. But waiver/ roster stipulations probably won’t let that happen and he will probably grow impatient as well which I don’t blame him for. He’s proven what he can prove in the AHL.


 

 

 

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22 Oct 2018 21:57:00
Terrible.

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22 Oct 2018 17:31:09
It’s funny how my posts are always used for arguing about stuff not related to it.

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22 Oct 2018 17:29:45
The Dumba trade is better, Nylnader is worth more then Pesce and a third
The Gardiner trade is terrible, Crouse is a younger version of Matt Martin, the leafs don’t need him

The d lines are terrible, Zaitsev with Ozhiganov? Good luck with that.

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22 Oct 2018 03:01:01
Ok but Matthews also missed about a quarter of the season last year, he would’ve hit 70 for sure and probably 75, maybe even 80.

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18 Oct 2018 14:36:10
Who put unbelievable? This is 100% true.

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