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26 Jun 2019 02:41:06
I understand these two teams are huge rivals but wouldn't this make sense?

Philadelphia- Travis Konecny ( RFA )

Pittsburgh- Phil Kessel ( 6.8 mil )

Philadelphia- Reunites JVR And Kessel together to form a Dangerous line with Kessel being a big upgrade on Konecny

Pittsburgh- Gets a top 6 cheap young replacement to make their team younger.

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1.) 26 Jun 2019 05:58:35
PHI cap space isn't infinite either.


2.) 26 Jun 2019 11:03:04
Philly has just over 15 million in space after this trade with just Provonov to sign.


3.) 26 Jun 2019 19:41:02
They would have between 8 and 9 mil after this trade with provorov and Laughton to sign.


 

 

25 Jun 2019 10:35:14
Toronto: Mitch Marner

Vancouver: Elias Pettersson And Quinn Hughes

Needs aside Marner is coming off a near 100 point season where as Pettersson could score a 100 points someday who adds?

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1.) 25 Jun 2019 13:03:17
pretty foolish proposal that Van would obviously reject

why post this garbage man is your head dented?


2.) 25 Jun 2019 15:09:17
VB it’s really no different than when you say Marner is more valuable than Kuch comparing same age seasons. If Marner is worth more than Kuch because Kuch just put up 130 points but Marner had more points than Kuch did 3 or 4 years ago, then the argument that Pettersson has more value because he had a better rookie year would carry some weight on the same plane.


3.) 25 Jun 2019 15:13:25
Vancouver gets the best Center I’m just looking at value leafs obviously decline Pettersson would be the 3C behind Tavares and Mathews.


4.) 25 Jun 2019 15:54:40
This is so bad pettersson is a c so leafs would have to add to get him.


5.) 25 Jun 2019 16:53:10
I knew there was something wrong with you, but you’re really are screwed in the head lmao.


6.) 25 Jun 2019 17:57:22
Does Pettersson have experience playing wing? I’m sure he could and he’d be the Leafs best wing. And what Hughes is just a throw in? Kid looked unreal in the game I watched him in.


7.) 25 Jun 2019 17:58:00
Lol Nick Bonino is a C so does that mean Lightning would have to add to Kucherov to get Bonino?

Also it is different the point differential is a lot higher between Marner and Kucherov then Pettersson And Marner at the same age Marners rookie season is close to Petterssons.


8.) 25 Jun 2019 19:26:35
Over a full season it would have been a difference of 10 points, that’s a fair amount IMO.


9.) 25 Jun 2019 20:09:47
Elias petterson = mitch marner
He hasn't proved to be a 94 point player, but I think most people expect him to be over a point/ game soon. Centre is a more valuable position and petterson scored more goals than marner. As unlikely as this trade is to happen, right now it's a straight across swap, marner experience is offset by petterson having elc still.


10.) 25 Jun 2019 22:02:27
Ehh maybe you’re right monkeyful ELC makes a difference and Hughes is a very good prospect he’s an add because of the experience.


11.) 26 Jun 2019 15:13:02
When will you ever understand that Kucherov played his rookie season on the 4th line with like 12 mins a night skating with BJ Crombeen and Brendon Morrow or so.
Not at all comparable to Marner (or Pettersson) .
Players take different development routes, who woulda thought.
Again, get back to me once Marner had 130 pts.


 

 

23 Jun 2019 22:18:08
In my last post I showed how the leafs could potentially fit Marner in and improve their defence. But if the leafs decide to let Marner go this is what I'd like to see.

Obviously Marner is extremely valuable and is a top 5 U23 player in the game. 94 points as a 22 year old. Kucherov didn't come close to that at his 22 year old season there is no reason to believe by the time he's 25 he won't be as good as Kucherov I personally believe he'll be better and I'm sure I'm not the only one. It'll take a lot to pry him away.

Teams I'd match an offer sheet that have the cap space are- New Jersey, Florida, Montreal, Islanders And Colorado

Teams I'd take the compensation of 4 1st round picks from- Arizona, Columbus, Detroit and Ottawa

A trade I'd personally take

Toronto- Mitch Marner And Nikita Zaitsev

New York- Noah Dobson, Joshua Ho Sang, Ryan Pulock and 1st 2020

This trade drastically improves the leafs defence and cap situation while New York gets a star who will have multiple 100 point seasons.

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1.) 24 Jun 2019 00:05:11
Vbbb, do you really like Ho Sang that much, that you would want him as part of a deal for Marner?

If the Islanders know you’re trading Marner because you can’t afford him, I doubt you’d get all 4 of those pieces. I think the max you would get is 2 of the 4. Considering the Islanders also have to pay Marner 11 million. You would also need to keep Zaitsev as I don’t think the Islanders would take on that contract knowing what they’ll have to pay Marner.

If you want to say the Islanders are dealing in good faith and just really want Marner, I think the max you would get is 3 of the 4 pieces. I just don’t see the Islanders giving up both Pullock and Dobson in the same deal and you would need to still keep Zaitsev.


2.) 24 Jun 2019 01:31:59
I'd say no from Isles.


3.) 24 Jun 2019 02:32:01
Of the team's you would let Marner sign an offersheet with, I don't think any of them will submit one because they will be lottery picks ( Columbus is the only one who might take that risk)

Also, Marner has to sign the offersheet to go to those teams. He may want nothing to do with Sens, Jackets, Coyotes or Wings.

In terms of that trade, I don't think Isles do it because Defense is still an area they need depth on.


4.) 24 Jun 2019 02:34:41
On a Red Wings note, we won't be sending an offer sheet for Marner.

I don't expect us to send an offer sheet at all.

However if we do, we will be targetting Trouba or Point. We need C and D more than a winger.


5.) 24 Jun 2019 02:44:56
I wouldn't trade Marner. Would trade Nylander/Matthews before Marner


6.) 24 Jun 2019 06:32:49
Alright, I'll sit here and wait for Marner to get 130+ pts by age 25. You're insane, VB. THe age 22 comparison is bs and several people already explained this to you on this website - if you'd listen, you'd know.


7.) 24 Jun 2019 13:03:49
Kucherov is amazing but he’s better imo I think he’ll be known as top 3 player in the game when he’s 25 I’m not sure why you don’t see that he’s more dynamic then Mathews it’s really not a controversial statement. Some debut to it I guess but it’s obtainable for him if he dosent score 130 by 3 years into the NHL I’ll apologize.

Also for me Dobson would be the sticking point for me in this trade I’d demand him. I think this trade makes the Islanders a better team.

Also Datsyuk_13 that’s the point if one of those teams are stupid enough to send an offer sheet I would not match.


8.) 24 Jun 2019 14:31:06
Marner is a star, no denying that. He also played a minute and a half a game more than Kucherov during their respective age 22 seasons, 5 extra shifts a game, and had a superstar on his line in Tavares while Kucherov had Johnson and Palat. Could Marner be better than Kucherov? Maybe but in my opinion its far from the guarantee you think it is. I don't know how realistic it is to expect someone to get more than the 1.56 ppg Kucherov did this year. They are on a very similar development path but i'm not sure Marner is going to see the same development here on out without really having any extra opportunity to move in to, he's already playing 20 min a game, with PP time and has a superstar center. Not saying he will plateu, but at the same age Kucherov still had room to improve in TOI, linemates, and PP time and took advantage of it.


9.) 24 Jun 2019 15:39:51
Also, looks like Kucherov could be 1.5-2M less in cap space which means a lot these days.


10.) 24 Jun 2019 15:41:21
Very good points made by jbs32.
Also I 100% agree on Marner being better than Matthews. That's why the AM contract is so bad for TOR. That's the contract Marner should've gotten, if anyone.
"You think he (Marner) will be known as a top 3 player by the age of 25?" Well guess what, Kucherov IS known as a top 3 player at age 25.
We'll see whether that will be the case with Marner, personally, I doubt it. Rather top 20, which is still elite, obv, no one is denying that.


11.) 24 Jun 2019 15:52:56
You can't compare marner to kuch they style of play is completely different.


12.) 24 Jun 2019 16:29:56
valid points not a lot can be argued aside from Natural growth and Maturity of Marner. Also Marner is also a better defensive player then Kucherov I don’t think I’ve seen Kucherov on the PK before where as Marner is the best PKer on the leafs aside from Hyman. Also the leafs PP this year was trash they have the Talent for a top 3 PP and if the PP were better he could’ve easily hit the 110 mark for points this Season 16 more PP points aren’t unrealistic imo.

Also not comparing their styles just overall impact in hockey Marner is more comparable to Patrick Kane.


13.) 24 Jun 2019 16:35:45
Gotta be honest you guys comparing Matthews and his contract to Marner are really doing a disservice to your perceived hockey IQ. Matthews at centre is far more difficult and a far more important position than a winger, and the pay should reflect that. You’re comparing apples to oranges. Might as well compare Marner’s upcoming contract to Freddy Andersen’s as it makes about as much sense.


 

 

21 Jun 2019 19:38:28
Colorado: 16th overall

Anaheim: Ryan Getzlaf And Ryan Kessler ( LTIR )

Colorado: The Avalanche have a top 5 pick so 16th is expendable. Getzlaf is still a 1C who is coming off a bad season because his team was trash. Colorado needs a 2C badly and they have tons of cap.

Anaheim: it's time for the ducks to move on from there aging core this sparks a full on retool/Rebuild. They already bought out Perry so this could go with it.

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1.) 21 Jun 2019 19:55:12
Getzlaf has a NMC but might waive it for a chance at winning. He only has 2 years left - maybe retain some of his salary and he could go a lot of places.
Maybe max salary retention to go somewhere in win now mode that needs a 2C for some good futures and picks?


2.) 21 Jun 2019 20:03:25
Yeah, that’s a firm no from Colorado.


3.) 21 Jun 2019 20:15:00
They have cap space but only two players signed longer than two years. Good thought but I don’t think either team does it.


 

 

18 Jun 2019 15:35:00
As per Frank Seravalli- "Belief is the Jets offered Nikoliaj Ehlers to #CANES for one of there Right shot deffensman."

Ehlers for Pesce

Or

Ehlers for Hamilton

Or

Ehlers for Faulk + 28th overall

One of these trades will happen.

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1.) 18 Jun 2019 15:52:52
Yeah, I could see one of these happening. I would think the Jets need to add for Pesce. Hopefully, they don't go after Hamilton or Faulk.

I don't think Chevy was kidding when he said that changes would be made.


2.) 18 Jun 2019 16:08:40
I would hate the Jets to trade Ehlers but if they do I hope it would be for Pesce then Hamilton. After the Trouba trade I really don't know what Chevy has planned.


3.) 18 Jun 2019 16:35:49
Don’t think Ehlers is worth any of those D straight across except maybe Faulk.


4.) 18 Jun 2019 16:52:20
I think Hamilton and Pesce are worth more than Ehlers so jets would have to add there. Faulk is closer, canes would have to add but it wouldn't be a 1st round pick.


5.) 18 Jun 2019 17:22:20
Hamilton isn't worth Ehlers. He is one of the most overrated dmen in the league. He sleeps thru the 1st half of every season offensively but plays well offensively in the 2nd half while being bad defensively the entire year.


6.) 18 Jun 2019 18:03:54
I think ehlers for pesce or hamilton is close; maybe some small parts added but that looks like a pretty good base for a trade.


7.) 18 Jun 2019 20:14:36
I'm with absolutely, ehlers ain't getting you that. Faulk is close but no chance he get Hamilton, and even worse Pesce. Throw in a 1st and probably not enough for Pesce.


8.) 18 Jun 2019 22:49:38
Shoots I agree about Pesce, but you severely overrate Hamilton and Faulk. Two terrible defensive dmen.


 

 

 

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23 Jun 2019 21:18:15
At this moment the leafs currently have 13.5 million in cap space but teams are allowed going over 10% of the cap in the offseason which many of you may have not known but they need to be under the cap by the beginning of the season so theoretically the leafs can spend 21 mil. So the leafs could easily sign everyone this offseason but it might cause a hectic offseason. As of now the leafs will be going into the season with

Rielly-Zaitsev
Muzzin-Lilijgren
Dermotte-Rosen

On defence. As you can see that is a very strong left side and an AHL level right side the leafs have deals in place with Kappanen signed 3 years at 3.4 mil and Johnsson 4 years at 3.2 million. Those are 2 extremely good contracts but they are not yet official due to the Marner situation. With those two contacts that leaves the Leafs with 6.9 million in actual cap space and 14 million in offseason cap to sign Marner.

2 cap trades

Toronto- Nathen Horton And 2nd 2020

LA- 7th round 2020

LA can easily take Hortons salary and is on the LTIR so he doesn't even count towards the cap during the season. It would take less to give up Horton then Marleau because Marleau demanded a buyout which counts towards the cap for 2 years. Essentially LA gets a free pick and Toronto brings there cap to 12.2 million

Toronto- Nikita Zaitsev And Timothy Lilijgren

Ottawa- 7th 2020

Ottawa is in a Deep rebuild and swallowing Zaitsevs cap dosent effect their roster what so ever and he can play a 2nd pair role on their currently weak roster. Timothy Lilijgren could start the season with them on the bottom pairing he still has high potential and could be great for them. This gives the leafs 16.7mil in cap space

Leafs then sign
Marner- 11mil over 6 years

Leafs then would then have 5.7 million for roster moves. Anton Stralman could be a cheap target to fill in on a shut down role with Rielly.

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1.) 23 Jun 2019 22:15:50
Getting close with your numbers still not quite there but closer.


2.) 23 Jun 2019 22:51:37
What do you mean habby?


3.) 23 Jun 2019 23:41:43
Ay Caramba you need to go back to drawing board.


4.) 23 Jun 2019 23:58:59
A while back I had a gut feeling Marleau was going to be more costly than Zaitsev to move. Seems counter-intuitive given that Marleau only had one year and Zaitsev is signed till like 2036, but I’ll double-down. Just a weird feeling. Any takers for a gentlemen’s bet?

Also I think the 2nd you are trading for garbage removal (Horton) is likely unnecessary.


5.) 23 Jun 2019 23:59:47
I'll let you figure out a couple others things but one thing is who are the players that finish off the roster? Even with your moves I think your still at least short by 3 players. Now they can be filled by rookies for cheap so I'm not saying what your proposing won't work but I'd like to see your opening day lineup not to criticize but just out of curiosity I'm genuinely interested.


6.) 24 Jun 2019 02:50:30
Don't see LA taking Horton. In their minds, they aren't starting a rebuild.
The moment they will begin a rebuild will be the moment they trade Kopitar, Carter, Martinez, Quick etc.


7.) 24 Jun 2019 13:14:56
TyBa yes even if they do feel that way during the season he dosent count towards the cap.


8.) 24 Jun 2019 14:32:40
Marleau is a 35+ contract, a buyout gives no relief but doesn't take up any cap on the next season. Just checked it on capfriendly to confirm. I have talked about how LTIR still affects cap and still causes some problems for the team, such as not being able to accumulate cap in season for the deadline and limiting who can be called up for injury replacement. When I put these moves into cap friendly, I get just under 5 mill needing probably at least 2 D (have Rosen and Holl on the right side) and no extra forwards. Doable, but tight without really improving the D a whole lot.


9.) 24 Jun 2019 14:39:07
Opening day roster

Johnsson-Mathews-Nylander
Hyman-Tavares-Marner
Bracco-Kadri-Kappanen
Moore-Gauthier-Brown

Rielly-Hanisey
Muzzin-Stralman
Sandin-Rosen
Travis Dermotte=LTIR until December

Andersson
Sparks

Stralman 3 years @3 mil
Hanisey 1 year @1.5mil

Leafs would then have 1.2 million in cap space.


10.) 24 Jun 2019 14:41:16
I made a couple posts on here that haven’t come through but Marleau is a 35+ contract so a buyout is only one year but no cap relief. They’ll take his full hit. Also when I punch your moves into cap friendly I had I believe just under 5 mill space With 5 D and no extra forwards. Those D included both Holl and Rosen so you essentially would have 5 mill to bring in 2 top 4 RHD and 2 extra forwards.


11.) 24 Jun 2019 15:34:00
Still need 2 more players possibly 3 if dermott is on ltir.


12.) 24 Jun 2019 16:00:57
So that will push it over the limit regardless. Without the signing of stralman who I think would want more term and cap then you think. this lineup might work. But we also have to remember you cleared zaitsev contract without taking any salary back which I personally think is wishful thinking but is possible I guess.


13.) 24 Jun 2019 16:34:30
I’d go an extra year but he’s 32. Without the short season I’d agree but that probably hurts his value.

Also JBS I’m aware of the offseason deadline rule but LA dosent need to sign anyone do they? They can just absorb the cap.


14.) 25 Jun 2019 04:36:16
Either way stralman puts you over the cap.


15.) 25 Jun 2019 15:03:49
Regardless if your team situation there are risks to being cap strapped and benefits to having space. Including call ups and making a run at a big money player than fits your window. It’s different for teams like Arizona that will never spend to the cap because most these injured contracts are insured so it’s cap without paying but LA will spend up to cap and I believe Horton isn’t insured anyway so it’s still actual money they have to pay.


16.) 25 Jun 2019 16:44:00
You are correct Horton is not insured.


 

 

22 Jun 2019 01:53:05
Not to brag or anything but if you scroll through the talk page you can see me saying Detroit will reach for a deffensman. I guess I was right again.

Anyway what do you guys think of the pick that's a huge reach.

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1.) 22 Jun 2019 03:22:26
Stevie Y has reached in round 1 before.


2.) 22 Jun 2019 04:20:57
I don't think it's a huge reach. He likely would have been picked in the first round. It's just a question of where.

I was originally sceltical of the pick but after learning more about him, I would be happy if he turned into a Top 4 Dman for us.

Having a future Top 4 D-core like this could be nice:

Chowlowski-Hronek
McIssac- Seider

Solid LH-RH pairings. I feel more confident in our Defense than before.


3.) 22 Jun 2019 05:28:08
It wasn't really a reach he's a very solid prospect that was getting more recognition every week. Marc bergevin took a trip to Germany a couple weeks back to get a closer look at him.


4.) 22 Jun 2019 12:54:26
At 6 it was a reach tho they probably could’ve picked him up at around 15th.


5.) 22 Jun 2019 16:04:58
They might have got him at 10th I don't think he would have been around after that. Oilers would have had a tough choice between him and broberg.


6.) 22 Jun 2019 17:57:53
Holland was very high on Seider from what I heard which is why Yzerman couldn’t trade down too far.

Overall I am much happier today than my surprise yesterday. If you see him play and his size, he would be very valuable to a D-core.


7.) 22 Jun 2019 21:47:25
Hopefully it pans out for Detroit I personally really don’t like their roster they posses no current elite talent ( besides Larkin to a certain extent) . Classiest organization in the game I hope they land Lafranier next year them or Ottawa would also like to see the Canadian teams bring in more top talent.


8.) 24 Jun 2019 02:46:46
No matter who drafts Lafrenière he will hold out and ask to get traded to montreal.


 

 

21 Jun 2019 23:56:52
Kyle Dubas And David Pollie talking Trade. I hope to god it dosent involve Marner and Subban. I could see Nashville taking Horton or Marleau IF HE WAIVES but definitely not Zaitsev their cap isn't that bad for this upcoming season but need to sign Josi.

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1.) 22 Jun 2019 10:04:09
Nashville has 6m in cap space and they need to sign like 3+ more of their RFAs/ UFAs. But yeah, I'm sure they (as a contender) are incredibly interested in taking a cap dump like Horton or Marleau to screw their cap this year.


2.) 22 Jun 2019 12:59:23
if/ when they dump Subban that’ll leave them with 15 minus the players they take back.


 

 

19 Jun 2019 12:53:38
This isn't a trade proposal but this is just a thread I'm creating to compare the value of NHL players to NBA players last week a top 3 players in the NBA and best of his position was traded to the Lakers for 3 young roster players and 3 1st round picks. Could that package land a top 3 player in the NHL? Anthony Davis is 26 but the draft age is much older in the NBA so his age is considered young by NBA standards.

Edmonton: Connor McDavid

New York Islanders: Noah Dobson, Oliver Wahlstrom, Kiefer Bellows, 1st pick 2019, 1st pick 2020 and 1st pick 2021.

Or

Colorado: Cale Makar, Tyson Jost, Sam Girard, 4th overall, 1st 2020 and 1st 2021

Personally if I'm Edmonton or any other team I'd accept I'd trade Mathews in a heartbeat for those. Is Anthony Davis comparable in Value to McDavid?

vbbbvvbb

1.) 19 Jun 2019 14:16:37
the leagues and systems are not comparable.
You need like 3 elite pieces in basketball and you're competing for the title. In the NHL you need way more depth and obviously way more players are playing in general.
Therefore trades cannot be compared like that.


2.) 20 Jun 2019 02:18:30
I don’t believe the firsts can be in consecutive years in either sport I’m pretty sure it’s alternating years in the Davis trade with options to swap 1sts in between. NBA draft isn’t much older, a lot, at least top guys, are one and done college players and 1 year older than most top NHL draft prospects. Davis has played 7 seasons. One top player in basketball has a bigger impact on a team than any hockey player ever has. A young roster player in NBA doesn’t mean they’re a current or future stud, if you don’t make the NBA roster within like a year of the draft you just never will, it’s completely different. Regardless, top NBA players will have more value because they have a larger impact when on the court and will play all but 2 minutes of a game.


3.) 20 Jun 2019 13:51:06
I agree JBS besides a goalie has a bigger impact in a game a much bigger actually then a basketball star.


 

 

19 Jun 2019 04:15:42
Like I said Hayes will sign for Seven Million plus. Kind of a genius when it comes to the NHL I must say.

Also Montreal will sign Jake Gardiner to Seven Million per season on a 7 year contract. He will be very good with Weber.

Anton Stralman will sign with the leafs if he doesn't resign.

Paniran And Bob will both sign matching 7 year 63 million dollar contracts in Florida

Duchene is a wildcard.

Pavelski And Thornton resign.

Nyquist goes to the Rangers

Myers resigns.

These are the VB predictions

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1.) 19 Jun 2019 05:03:05
It's not good for the league when a guy like Kevin Hayes gets 7 million for 7 years.


2.) 19 Jun 2019 05:06:57
I thought you were a lunatic for the Hayes prediction. To be fair I couldn’t see him signing for less than 6 but I’d say he did very well.


3.) 19 Jun 2019 05:49:00
So it looks like players will get at least 2 mil per year over what they are actually worth from now on lol. what a joke boy I sure hope the habs don't dabble in the free agent market this year.


4.) 19 Jun 2019 12:19:55
I think CAR will sign Nyqvist.
I’m basing this on nothing. Just a hunch.


5.) 19 Jun 2019 13:05:50
@Ebsoultely once the E. Kane contract signed it created a chain reaction of contract rapidly getting higher and higher while even last season that Hayes contract would seem putrid and it still is inflation will quickly make it look better by 2028 it is projected the cap will rise over 100 million.

@chirp you might be right.


6.) 19 Jun 2019 17:44:21
I personally see Nyquist going to Nashville if they have the room. He plays a two-way, playmaking style game that would help them.


7.) 20 Jun 2019 02:19:05
Reason i don’t think Rangers sign Nyquist is they are reportedly already trying to move forwards with guys like Anderson Kakko and Kravstov coming in.


8.) 20 Jun 2019 23:08:01
I would honestly be shocked if Montreal paid a penny over 6mil for gardiner. I actually don't see them paying even that much tbh if they even have an interest in him at all.


 

 

 

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26 Jun 2019 16:58:47
Bear and a 2nd is a deal they take for sure.

And that’s what he’ll go for inflation makes it look bad but it really isn’t you’ll see when he signs 😉.

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26 Jun 2019 15:55:07
Their defence is going to be mostly prospects

Makar-Johnson
Girard-Barrie
Zandorov-Timmons.

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26 Jun 2019 15:51:15
Connolly will sign in the 5 million range at a 4 year period the 4 year period is a sticking point for him but Edmonton is his 1st choice.

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26 Jun 2019 11:07:12
The_Triplets I think you really underrate Marner who would you say he has about equal value to in the league.

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26 Jun 2019 11:05:35
What? But anyway 6 million for 4 years is a dead weight contract nothing like that’s ever been moved unless it’s LTIR. Swechamps proposal is much better.

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