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24 Nov 2018 00:51:35
Apparently the Blues are unhappy with Vladimir Taresanko.

Would the blues entertain Senko for Nylander+?

Saint Louis: Taresanko

Pittsburgh: Kessel And 1st 2019

Or

Toronto: Nylander And Gardiner

No way he gets traded withen the conference.

vbbbvvbb

1.) 24 Nov 2018 02:20:38
Neither of those offers get Terasenko.


2.) 24 Nov 2018 04:49:21
The Blues/ Leafs trade is interesting. Tarasenko only has about half the term left Nylander will have when he re-signs. So Blues get almost 8 years of Nylander, while Leafs get just shy of 5 years Vlad. Tarasenko is the better player, sure, but the difference in contract duration should account for something. Not to mention the near-elite offensive defenseman they receive in Gardiner (can they afford him as well? ) .

Big changes happening in St. Louis. All those big off season moves and Blues still aren’t any better. Trading an u happy Tarasenko (if rumors are true) indicates Blues management have given up on current roster like NYR a year ago, and are moving forward in tearing down the team and re-build.


3.) 24 Nov 2018 14:56:56
Blues are happy with tarasenko. This waa pure speculation by writers based on two firing.

Blues are not trading him.


 

 

31 Oct 2018 00:48:50
Rumour has it Bobrovsky has provided Columbus with a trade list. The perfect fit for each party would be Saint Louis different division and fits positional wise

Also Paniran and Taresanko are best friends probably dosent mean anything but Senko and Paniran on the same PP could be the best in the NHL. Paniran has by far the most underrated 1 timer in the game.

Option 1- most logical comparison would be Ryan Miller to Saint Louis.

Saint Louis: Robbie Fabbri/Kyrou ,Alexander Steen And 1st 2019

Columbus: Sergei Bobrovski

Option 2- it will look like a underwhelming offer but both are rental and their value is at an all time low.

Saint Louis: Robert Thomas, Jayden Schalmltz, Robbie Fabberi, Alexander Steen, Jay Boumester and 1st 2019

Columbus: Antemi Paniran And Sergei Bobrovski

Just a heads up all rentals get an underwhelming return that's why Tavares wasn't traded and Karlsson went for so little.

vbbbvvbb

1.) 31 Oct 2018 02:32:03
Are you high. Are you on something.

Why would the blues trade that much talent for two expiring contracts. It's just not going to happen. Thomas will be a 1c, kyrou will be top6 schmaltz just made the team and looks good. Fabbri may make a come back be a 60pt player he was projected to be before injuries.

Bobrosky is not havingva goid year and blues can't afford resigning him. Panarin already stated he wants to be in a large market. I think the only reason it makes sense is cause we have great prospects.


2.) 31 Oct 2018 03:57:04
The first trade if you mean Fabbri or Kyrou, then Columbus would be jumping on Kyrou.

The second trade I can’t tell if you mean Schwartz or Schmaltz. Very confusing, especially since teir first names are so similar as well. There’s a big difference though. Schmaltz is a bust. 25 years old and has played only 30 games. Schwartz, on the other hand, is only a year okdee and already a veteran of almost 400 games.

Not sure about the first trade. Certainly if Columbus can’t get a better offer, they would take it. The second trade Columbus definitely takes. Especially if its Schwartz and not Schmaltz.

St. Louis is the big loser in this proposition.


3.) 31 Oct 2018 09:51:50
Hes obviously talking about Schmaltz.


4.) 31 Oct 2018 11:42:59
Can't call schmaltz a bust. He got stuck behind petro parayko. Chose a rough bortuzxo to play third line duty. Schmaltz was a stud in ago and just needed and opportunity to stick which he is doing.


5.) 31 Oct 2018 12:59:50
Yah no way Saint Louis trades Schwartz. I meant Fabbri or Kyrou. And I feel you redwing losing Thomas would be tough but that’s whatd it’d take maybes Kyrou instead.


6.) 31 Oct 2018 17:43:45
Why on earth would you lose a 1c or a top 6 winger on elcs both 19 years old for a rental. It's dumb.

You say that's what it takes but blues didn't pay that for jaybo, didn't pay that for ror. Armstrong doesn't trade his best prospects for veteran rentals.


7.) 31 Oct 2018 22:40:54
If you meant Schmaltz, then why did you call him Jayden?


 

 

10 Oct 2018 13:03:40
I'll bite on Nylander/Tanev but I'd make a 1st manditory as IMO Tanev isn't a good enough base.

Leafs: William Nylander and 2nd 2019

Canucks: Tanev and Top 5 protected 1st 2019 ( continues until pick is outside of top 5 )

Leafs get a potentially early pick and the deffensman they need. Vancouver gets a potential franchise altering player who could challenge for a scoring tital in the future.

Boeser-Petterson-Nylander

This could challenge

Marchand-Bergeron-Pasta
Or
Benn-Seguin-Radulov

I would not make a trade with Vancouver unless Demko,Hughes or 1st 2019 was in the deal.

vbbbvvbb

1.) 10 Oct 2018 14:14:48
Easy no from the Canucks. With the draft being in Vancouver, there is zero chance they trade their first pick.

Nylander "franchise altering player". Lol 😆.


2.) 10 Oct 2018 14:42:26
Nylander being a franchise altering playwr is as ridiculous as your take on Trouba memarcusjoe.


3.) 10 Oct 2018 15:38:12
@itookdon Let's not turn this into another Leafs begging for Trouba thread.


4.) 10 Oct 2018 15:45:50
@doncherry

It was vb that referred to Nylander as a ranchise altering player. Joe was mocking him for it. As he should.

@vb

Tanev is garbage. I have a very hard time seeing someone who has spent that much time being injured ever returning to previous form, let alone reach full potential. You really want to trade out 1RW for an injury riddled defenseman and a 1st? Plus you want to give them a 2nd for doing them this favor?

Leafs pass.


5.) 10 Oct 2018 15:55:02
@leafsgm. He’s saying vbb calling Nylander that is equal to Marcus calling Trouba a superstar.


6.) 10 Oct 2018 16:41:56
@unbiasedjim

Ok. You’re right. Lol. I get it now. They’re both right.


7.) 10 Oct 2018 16:50:44
Never said I wanted Trouba memarcusjoe. There are at least 10 other dmen i would want before him that might in the slightest be available.


8.) 10 Oct 2018 17:39:11
Actually though Trouba is far, far, far closer to a superstar (which I've never called him) than Nylander is to a "franchise altering player" lol. 😆

Unless by "franchise altering" you mean that he'll alter your franchise for the worse because you'd be overpaying for a soft as butter winger?


9.) 10 Oct 2018 18:08:47
Memarcusjoe, go back and read a bunch of your posts on him please. You talk the guy up as much as anybody does there favorite player or team. His claim is ridiculous about Nylander, but you should not be commenting based on your undying love and support for Trouba.


10.) 10 Oct 2018 19:11:45
Turning down offers for Trouba that make the Jets worse as I do, is not the same as calling Nylander a "franchise altering player". Lol

Go back and re-read my posts on Trouba, I've never once called him anything more than what he is. A young, top pairing defenseman.

I know things like the truth don't go over well on this site, but there you have it. Please try to be truthful and not exaggerate when you are claiming another poster said something.


11.) 10 Oct 2018 19:21:49
"Potential franchise altering player"
That's got to be the best thing I've ever read on here.
Way too funny.


12.) 10 Oct 2018 20:09:03
Any player who you can put up a PPG is a franchise altering player. He can’t be a face of a Franchise like A Crosby, Dahlin or Price he can be a player similar to Paniran or Kessel.


13.) 10 Oct 2018 21:42:28
Lol Kessel was franchise altering. Leafs had to get rid of him to get better.


14.) 10 Oct 2018 22:24:44
Joe you’ve also said that Trouba is better than Reilly. We all know that Toronto needs defense but I don’t see your center depth tearing up the score sheet. I can admit the leafs are not a perfect team, can you say that the mighty jets are not a perfect team? I didn’t think so. You probably think Scheifele/ Roslovic are the next Crosby/ Malkin. No need to be ignorant every time you post.


15.) 10 Oct 2018 23:14:49
@Leafs17, now what are you on about? What does Nylander not being a "franchise altering player" have to do with the Jets center depth?

No, I agree the Jets are not a perfect team, but as much as it pains Leaf fans to admit it, they Jets are a very good team, deeper and better than Toronto. Even with our center depth, we still had over 100 points and were 2nd in the NHL before Stastny arrived. So, it's not like center is a weakness that is killing us.

As for Reilly, Trouba is better than him in every category except PP points. That's why I say that.

I've tried giving civil responses on here many times, but when it is something the homers here, yourself included, don't want to hear, they normally respond with name calling, yourself included, because they can't back up their homerism with facts. So, sometimes when a Leafs homer makes a stupid statement like vvbb did, I like to give a little shot back.

Or if a poster outright lies about something and tries to attribute that to me as doncherry did above, I feel I have the right to call them out on it.


16.) 11 Oct 2018 00:28:16
Bahaha! There’s not a single person on this site that has ever said the jets are not a good team. You say the leafs are “begging” for Trouba on a daily basis so I like to point out some things you can’t see about your own team. You and your sidekick have been called homers by every fan base on this site so you don’t have a leg to stand on. Have a nice day.


17.) 11 Oct 2018 00:35:31
Leafs17 I feel like you’re putting down Schifele here he belongs in the Mathews/ Tavares tier or atleast very close.


18.) 11 Oct 2018 01:43:52
@Leafs17, right. They call us homers because we turn down trades that the Jets can't afford cap wise or make the Jets worse. So, that somehow makes us homers I guess?

Just imagine the furor on this site had Islandjet or I said an equal Jets player, Ehlers, was a potential "franchise altering player". This place would have melted down, but when a Leafs homer says it, we should just let it go as fact.

I give you credit though for exiting a discussion for once without name calling. You have a nice day too.


19.) 11 Oct 2018 03:29:33
Not at all vbb’s. I’m putting down the #2/ 3 combo. Scheifele is a stud. The jet homers (not Alpaca) like to bash the leafs any chance they can. They will tell you that Matthews/ Tavares are decent. I do watch hockey, I know the jets are a good team but these guys think their sh*t doesn’t stink.


 

 

09 Oct 2018 04:09:21
I'll give a few cracks at some Nylander proposals but I believe he'll resign to something similar to Pasta/Ehlers he belongs in that tier. I think a lot of people underrate him because he's shadowed by Mathews and Marner ( now Tavares ) I think he is better then Ehlers and he has PPG potential in him. Still only 22.

Toronto: William Nylander

Arizona: Jacob Chychrun,Hudson Fasching And 2nd 2019

Obviously Arizona gets someone to contend with Keller for the best forward and brings excitement to a pretty boring team. Chychrun can replace Gardiner on the 2nd pairing for Next season but for this season the leafs can play him on the right hand side.

Anaheim: William Nylander

Toronto: Ondrej Kase And 1st 2019

Leafs get a capable replacement with more of a scoring touch and a 1st. Anaheim gets a fresh Dynamic player who IMO who would mesh extremely well with Rakel and Getzlaf. He'd be an PPG+ threat could possibly lead the Ducks in points. Obviously a player like Manson and Montour but that topic has already been discussed.

Toronto: William Nylander

Vegas: Nate Schmite

Vegas gets the more skilled Dynamic player Toronto gets the Player they need aside from being right handed. Personally I don't think Vegas part with him tho.

Don't think he'll get traded to a eastern conference team IMO the last thing the leafs need is Nylander developing into a 90 point player who absolutely terrorizes the leafs for years to come.

Thoughts?

vbbbvvbb

1.) 09 Oct 2018 04:26:27
I don’t want any of those packages. Obviously Nate Schmidt is really good and would be nice, but doesn’t fit our need of RHD. If you’re not filling the biggest hole on the team, why trade a 22 year old that you feel could score 90pts? (that’s pretty hopeful I think)


2.) 09 Oct 2018 04:30:18
You can forget about Schmidt. The steroid using cheat that got caught and is suspended for 1/ 4 of the season. Schmidt brings nothing to the table we don’t already have except extra scrutiny and judgement. Why on earth would Leafs even consider taking on someone so unprofessional?


3.) 09 Oct 2018 05:20:02
Haha that’s goofy some of the greatest athletes of all time used steroids when looking at football and baseball. He had the highest toi in the playoffs. No dman on Toronto can effectively play a 40 minute game Schmite can when you get into those double OT games.


4.) 09 Oct 2018 05:20:42
90 points is also hopeful but you never know.


5.) 09 Oct 2018 06:55:11
Vb. I don't think Phoenix would want to trade Chychrun.
I think Nylander has more value than Schmidt. and Kase and 1st . no thanks.

Chris Tanev, and 2nd from Canucks
For Nylander.
Ya, it's an overpayment for Tanev, but seems like you have to overpay for a Dman these days.
If you can think of a small add on from Canucks. even better.
I also see a high point ceiling for Nylander. somewhere between 80 to 90 is possible in the right situation.


6.) 09 Oct 2018 13:12:48
That's a pretty harsh condemnation for Schmidt given that from what I read had no idea he was taking a banned substance and he had so little of it in his system it would have had zero impact on his performance.

Cut the guy some slack . he's not Slava Voynov.


7.) 09 Oct 2018 14:21:56
Your giving up way too much in the Vegas Deal, Nylander for a pending UFA defenceman who was suspended for 20 games? Leafs say no. Maybe if it’s Miller and Tuch your getting the leaf consider it, but no way in this deal. I don’t think Schmidt is bad or was given a suspension that seems too long, it’s just he isn’t going to get you Nylander.
The Anaheim one ain’t bad, but I would much rather have a defencman like Manson or Montour coming back if we deal Nylander, leafs want to contend, Kase may help but he has a concussion so you never know how he may pan out
Arizona one isn’t bad but again leafs don’t need LD, they need a RD so leafs pass.


8.) 09 Oct 2018 15:39:11
I don’t see how someone doesn’t know how he had a banned substance in his body. Not possible in my eyes. And this whole equivalent to a drop in the ocean thing is bull as well. These hormones and steroids are extremely poserful, and all it takes is a tiny amount to get results. Add to that the fact that he had probably taken a cycle months before testing and it just hadn’t come out of his system yet and you get a positive result. If it looks like a cheat, it is a cheat. Comparing him to steroid using athletes in other sports isn’t even a worthwhile comparison. In baseball especially we have seen the MLB crack down on cheats. Players getting long term suspensions and even not having their records recognized and in some cases, denied entry to HOF.

Schmidt isn’t even a very good defenseman. Even if he wasn’t caught and suspended, he still isn’t worth Nylander. He brings nothing to the table except extra scrutiny. It would be a media frenzy in Toronto should he join the team. I can’t think of any reason why Dubas would trade for him.


9.) 09 Oct 2018 16:07:47
Man like I said he can play 40 minutes a night with the hardest minutes he’s not exactly a offensively gifted dman but he does the little things right. Personally I’d love Slava Voynov but i doubt the leafs would take him.


10.) 09 Oct 2018 16:10:03
Ok wild theory here, do you think he was bitten by a bug (like a mosquito) that may have contracted the steroids from another person? I mean it seems like a possibility since the amount found in his body was so small.


11.) 09 Oct 2018 16:25:50
Of course he can play 40 minutes a night. He’s on steroids.


12.) 09 Oct 2018 21:59:49
Lol I know I know people on steroids but they can’t 40 min a night in the NHL. Have you ever taken steroids? If not you can’t really comment on on the effects unless if you have a Phd in Medicine. The reality is he’d be the leafs best defensive Dman last season he was by far the Knights best dman.


 

 

13 Sep 2018 20:37:55
All along I said the leafs wouldn't trade Nylander but I'm taking that back now by contradicting myself and putting my bias aside with this realistic Nylander proposal.

Any Nylander deal would need to meet this Critera.

A. Western Conference team

B. Low salary coming back

C. A RHD

Side note- apparently the Leafs were talking about Paryanko with stl but that's a pipe dream

Dallas acquires- William Nylander

Leafs acquire- Stephan Jones, 1st round 2019 and 2nd round 2020

Leafs- they'll have to move him for something. Jones could be good with Rielly.

Dallas- gets a 21 year old 1st line winger/ possible C who has potential to be a +PPG-guy

What do you guys think?

vbbbvvbb

1.) 13 Sep 2018 20:52:09
What would you think about an offer sheet which gives the leafs a 1st 2nd and a 3rd?


2.) 13 Sep 2018 21:03:54
Leafs don’t need picks, although then they could trade one of their firsts for like Eberle to replace Nylander.


3.) 13 Sep 2018 21:04:06
I don't think stephan johns should be the centrepiece of a deal involving nylander. Leafs could get a much better player back then him.


4.) 13 Sep 2018 21:22:20
Don't worry buddy. We already know you over exaggerate all the time and then back peddle.
Dubas himself has said they will sign the three, Nylander, Marner and Mathews no worries tho.


5.) 13 Sep 2018 21:23:26
It’s Johns not Jones but I think leafs can get a better offer than that if they are trading away Nylander.


6.) 13 Sep 2018 21:33:24
You’d think they would get an better offer but the Leafs don’t have any leverage whatsoever so if a underwhelming deal like this occurs I will not be suprised and I won’t be disappointed in Dubas or any of the Leafs management.

Just a little FYI to everyone stars never get fair value.


7.) 13 Sep 2018 22:07:52
Guys enough about Nylander.

Can we get back to making fun of Rambo for how wrong he was (again) about Karlsson?


8.) 13 Sep 2018 22:27:39
@Habby I would rather see the leafs match it.


9.) 13 Sep 2018 22:35:55
Nylander is not a star yet. But that being said he should get fair value in a trade. karllson pacioretty skinner etc are all in different situation and point of there careers then nylander. Nylander is an Rfa which means he be under the control of the team that gets him. They could decide which contract route they wanted to go. Plus he's still developing and will most likely get better over the next few years. The star players who you were referring to are already in or maybe even slightest past there prime.


10.) 13 Sep 2018 22:37:57
Vbbb what about if it was montreal doing the offer sheet?


11.) 13 Sep 2018 23:22:29
Why do you think leafs don’t have any leverage?! Lol they own his NHL rights till he’s 27. He’s 21. He needs them far more than they need him they have plenty of capable, albeit not as good as him, wingers who would kiss ass for a chance to play with Matthews and pad their stats.

He doesn’t have another NHL team to play for unless leafs allow him to. His rights are very restricted, hence him being called a Restricted Free Agent lol. If he is demanding a contract that throws the pay scale of this roster out of whack, then I’m fine with seeing what type of a Dman they could get for him. But when the answer comes back and it’s Stephen Johns, I’m going a different route lol

This $8mill ask could be him starting really high because leafs went low. Or it could be just BS since it’s apparently from an unnamed western conference executive. Pasternak is a close comparison in age, position, draft and has better production so far. He’s $6.67mill. Monaghan, gaudreau, Scheifele, mackinnon, Larkin, Ehlers all got between $6 and $6.7 mill off their entry level deal. He’s in the middle of that pack at best. Those deals are all a year or 2 old so give him the benefit of the added cap increase and he’s a $6.5-6.75 player. I will bet he signs in Toronto in the next week to 10 days for about $6.5 mill.


12.) 13 Sep 2018 23:40:12
Toronto dosent have much leverage because if he holds out and dosent sign when the season starts his value drops drastically.


13.) 13 Sep 2018 23:41:35
And in that case I wouldn’t match Montreal’s pick could be a huge payoff. + leafs can’t afford the money the leafs would give up.


14.) 13 Sep 2018 23:58:32
From what I read he has the same agent as Gaudreau who also held out as long as possible and the agent is known for this. I guess Nylander’s dad is involved in the negotiations and he was known for holding out as well. He is obviously not as good as Pastrnak and Kucherov, so if he wants to play hardball, trade him. Won’t they just settle on a bridge deal?


15.) 14 Sep 2018 00:12:13
Yeah I think he resigns too.


16.) 14 Sep 2018 02:55:34
Leafs17, you’re right. The agent is the same one that he gaudreau moss allnof camp and he still got $6.75 mill. His original ask was $8mill aswell. He also represented Saad with Chicago and they got tired of the demands and traded him. They went and got him back wth the big salary a year later, but it just shows that there’s still multiple possible outcomes. But again, I bet he signs. Most likely 6-8 years at $6.5 mill. Possibly 2-3 years at $5 mill or so like kucherov did and then hope to cash in for $8 mill after.


17.) 14 Sep 2018 20:11:37
Also it’s easy to sit out during camp. I’m sure he’s missing being a part of camp and seeing the guys etc already. But he can hold out and miss pre-season games, you don’t get paid for them. But once the season starts, at $6.5mill salary that I believe is close to the offer, he loses out on $80,000 a game. That money, even if he signs the next morning, is gone forever. So missing 15 games is almost $1.25mill. If money is your issue, it’s pretty foolish to burn that off the start. That’s why I don’t believe camp finishes before Nylander signs.


18.) 15 Sep 2018 05:45:34
Dubas sounded confident that he will sign the big three. Starting to wonder now. Maybe willie changed his mind i see no other reason. Willy should be signed by now there must be more to it.


19.) 15 Sep 2018 17:00:18
I can see Nylanders problem with it. It’s great to have 3 young stars, try to keep them all and ask them all to buy in and take a little less.

But if you’re the first guy up, you’re in a hard spot. If he feels he’s worth $7.25-7.5 but is asked to take $6-6.5 and does it for the good of the team, how would he feel if next year marner and Matthews don’t take the discount and go for $9.5 and $13 mill. He looks like a fool for 6 or 7 years. Maybe the plan was to have all 3 buy in and sign extensions this summer and the other 2 want to play out their last year, forcing Nylander to look after himself first.


20.) 15 Sep 2018 21:17:21
I'm willing to bet at least 95% of the time players don't even consider taking less money just to keep a group of players together. i think it might happen occasionally in sports with older guys who have seen 1 st hand how hard it is to win a championship. But very very rarely. Also I wouldn't be suprised if dubas has even talked to nylander about a new contract almost all tines these discussions involve management and the players agent. And almost every time the agent is trying to get the highest contract possible. I can't say for sure because I don't know for sure what's going on but I'm willing to bet if leafs management and nylander had sat down together without an agent involved there would be a contract signed by now.


 

 

 

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30 Nov 2018 03:07:46
Do you guys think Marner can make a case against Eichel for the 2nd best player in the 2015 draft?

vbbbvvbb

1.) 30 Nov 2018 03:19:56
I saw them talking about that on sportsnet. Rantanen definitely has the inside track on that right now, and Chabot may be in that convo if he can keep this up. A point producing Dman (70pts+ Isn’t out of the question) should be considered too but his sample is really small.


2.) 30 Nov 2018 03:21:04
Possibly. he's pretty darn good. not sure if we have seen best from Eichel.
I think big question. who is Leafs best young star.? Mathews or Marner?


3.) 30 Nov 2018 12:26:30
Rantanen is leading the league in scoring right now. What about him?
And If Marner keeps this up, his agent will get him $9M or more on his next contract.


4.) 30 Nov 2018 14:56:10
I think Marner and Mathews are close like I said all along

Marner/ Mathews Kane/ Towes

Was thinking Rantanen was drafted in 2016 for som reason but I personally like Marner he’s so fun to watch.


5.) 30 Nov 2018 15:24:51
Give it a couple years, as Marner has been playing on a lot better teams than eichel has. Also once the Islanders get through this rebuild Barzal might have a strong supporting cast. And then there’s obviously Rantanen who’s going to be playing with Mackinnon for years to come.


 

 

22 Nov 2018 21:32:35
Who would you guys rather have if you're building a team? McDavid at his current contract or Mathews signed to 8 years at a league minimum 600k?

You'd be ridiculous to take McDavid but I'm curious to see some people's opinions.

vbbbvvbb

1.) 22 Nov 2018 23:00:25
Obviously if you’re building an entire team contract has to come into account. There isn’t a 12 million dollar difference between the two.


2.) 23 Nov 2018 00:01:34
VB. kinda silly young man. ok . Even I would have to take Mathews. I would then be able trade for McDavid to make Mathews a good player.


3.) 23 Nov 2018 00:25:43
Matthews, of course McDavid is the better player, but frankly, you simply can't build superteams anymore because of the salary cap. If Auston takes league minimum over eight years, you get him, plus two guys at 6 million per [Whoever they are: NOT ERIKSSON, SAAD, LUCIC, ETC. LOL. LIKE ACTUALLY QUALITY GUYS FOR 6MIL] or a legitimate superstar for like 10 and some depth for like 2. McDavids good, but cap space is the most needed commodity in the NHL. To get any star for league minimum/ a steal over an extended period of time [more than simply an ELC] is a must. To get that for the second best young centre in the NHL [second to McDavid], is a no brainer.


4.) 23 Nov 2018 00:38:44
You would have to be ridiculous to ask this lol. who would you rather have matthews at 75 mil a year or ryan reeves at his current contract?


5.) 22 Nov 2018 23:47:49
Nope.


6.) 23 Nov 2018 01:54:53
How many games played per season each player we talking now?


7.) 23 Nov 2018 07:24:48
Well mcdavid has missed more games to injury than Matthews in his career lol.


8.) 23 Nov 2018 08:23:19
What is the point of this stupid question? Jesus.


9.) 23 Nov 2018 12:31:26
That wasn't my question shadow.
Assuming they both play 82 games. Ya you take Mathews duh. Even you knew this was a dumb scenario question.
What if Mathews took a little discount (just from what he's speculated to receive) and took $10.5M Who would you rather have. McDavid at $12.5M or Mathews at $10.5M? That's maybe a better debate question.


10.) 23 Nov 2018 13:16:30
Ya but the one your suggesting yupp not everyone would pick matthews and vb couldn't have that could he.


11.) 23 Nov 2018 13:17:01
2 million dollars dosent get a player that offsets the value between the 2.


12.) 23 Nov 2018 13:43:58
If Mathews was making 6 to 8 million, I'd still take McDavid. I'm not even sure why these 2 are mentioned In same sentence. ya, they were first overall picks. but. That's it. one is generational. one isnt. Pretty simple.


13.) 23 Nov 2018 14:01:35
Matthews at 10.5 mln. I'd still probably prefer McD.

Matthews at $6-$8 mln. I'd take Matthews all day. In that case you'd be able to have Matthews and Nylander for a little more $$ than McDavid.

McDavid still the best player of the three, but would rather have two star players for similar dough versus having just 1. Depth wins championships, which I assume would be the goal (not just having a shiny McDavid) .

Sosa I really don't understand your Matthews hate, unless you just have something against Americans in general. I'm Canadian and have lived in both countries and there are nice people and jerks on either side of the border. I have not seen Matthews do or say anything that would make me think he is as big a D-bag, as say, Marchand (a fellow countryman but not exactly a classy guy and a habitual cheap shot artist) .


14.) 23 Nov 2018 15:26:44
It's the Toronto overhype, yes I do despise most American players and well, most, not all. I don't like some Canadian players, despise Ovi. and I really don't care what country your from. your a douche . your a douch. Seems like it's mainly Amerian players that have that cocky attitude. from Mathews, Tkachuk, Eichel, , Trouba. Ect . But I like guys like Patches, Gionta ect.

Like I stated in an earlier post. my Grandprents are American, I played football in the States for a couple years, most are really good people. Jus a hockey thing. not a personal thing. sure the people I mentioned are good people as well .
Jus a sports thing. not a real life thing. and Like I said to VB. I'll tone down my American hockey player hate lol.


15.) 23 Nov 2018 16:08:52
@sosa, do you think it’s a coincidence that the 2 Americans out of 6 you named were the only 2 habs? Lol both classy guys, I agree, but also the jersey they wear weighing in? I get people not liking Tkachuk, you’re not supposed to if you’re not a flames fan, that means he’s doing his job well. Besides a cpl celebrations earlier this season, I don’t get the Matthews hate either. And there’s players from all countries with the celebrations now, I truly believe it’s a young person thing, not an American thing. As long as it’s not the 7-0 goal (like eller) when you do it, I’m fine with it. You score an OT winner, or a goal to tie or go ahead on the final minutes and want to show emotion, have at it.


16.) 23 Nov 2018 16:14:26
I would say pacioretty and gionta are probably as cocky as the other guys you mentioned. but yeah I would agree somewhat with you that Americans in sports come across on times as being cocky a little more so then other countries. And it's not just in hockey.


17.) 23 Nov 2018 17:02:17
But probably the cockiest player in the league is subban and you like him.


18.) 23 Nov 2018 22:41:40
I like Subban. guy may have too much “swag” for some people’s liking but everything that guy does for the community off the ice? He’s alright in my books.


19.) 23 Nov 2018 23:37:56
I would say Subban has some swagger. which I view differently . But on Jim's note, bout the Habs . I'm not going to lie. if we had Mathews of course I'd love the guy. But he's a Leaf, I see some cockiness so Its easy for me to not like him, I will say, I respect him more than Trouba and Eichel. those two are the worst, and Kane, he's a cocky lil bugger as well. only thing with Kane. he's done something in the league.
And as far as it being a young person thing. I don't see McDavid, or Mackinkin, Domi. any of them acting like idiots. Or. Mitch Marner. good Canadian boys, who show respect. don't see Rantanen, Laine; Petterson , and of the show boating. Oh. and I really do not like the Canucks, but Boeser, seems like a humble guy. I respect him.


20.) 23 Nov 2018 23:43:54
@sosa

Matthews has character moreso than cockiness. He expresses himself more than other players, he neve rflat out says stuff like Laine in regards to the Vancouver Fortniye problem. If were talking cockiness, that's a cock player. Not Matthews for doing the ‘can you hear me now’ celly. Plus, AM and Kane did it in fun, it wasn’t even directed delibertly at the goalie or whatever.

Tkachuks just Marchand 2.0. Not cocky. Just a pest. I can't be mad with him for cockiness.

Eichel isn't cocky either imo. Same boat as matthews. More character than mostz

And Troubas just greedy lol.


21.) 24 Nov 2018 00:42:26
Joshua Hon Sang And Evander Kane are two cockiest players Ovie and Kuz are also up there.


22.) 24 Nov 2018 00:47:32
TSS. I usually agree with ya. jus not on this one lol.
And, ok, maybe I over do it with the Mathews cockiness. truth be told., before those extra exhuberent celebrations., I was quite impressed with him. looked like a Canadian out there. but where I really disagree with you is on Eichel. he's one cocky SOB. Whining in TV bout his team. awe. Lil baby. see McDavid do that. nope. see John Tavares do that when he was in NYI. nope . In Canada. it's a team thing . not one person is above anyone else. down there. seems like some kids have a Me thing . .


23.) 24 Nov 2018 05:37:28
One of The celebrations you called out Matthews for, when he scored the OT winner against the habs, Mcdavid did almost the identical one after an OT winner last year. And no one made a big deal about it because he’s a good Canadian kid. And I agree. Mcdavid is a beauty, does everything the right way, but can’t pick and choose between them, if it makes Matthews cocky, it’s got to make Mcdavid too. Or anyone else.


24.) 24 Nov 2018 05:47:07
And Domi has a history of over the top celebrations too lol his dad did also but didn’t get to score much, so made sure he let everyone know when he did. He rode his stick back to centre ice once, and Max did the ‘Captain Morgan’ one knee up down the benches, also a big knee slide fist pump after an empty netter before being jumped for it. Just sounds like if they ever wore a habs jersey, all else is forgotten lol 😂.


25.) 24 Nov 2018 06:14:55
You all Leafs fans can keep suckin Mathews ass. I don't care.
And Domi. , he can score, fight and be respectful of the real game.

I used to respect the Leafs. but. until you became a bunch of whiny bitch lil goofs who tanked for Mathews. ya ever win a cup. should be an asterix. for being cheaters and goofs. Likes Shanahan as a player, hate him now. he is what is wrong with this league. cheaters. ya . you Leafs.
At least Oilers. try, but suck, but at least got McDavid, not cause they tanked. not like Maple Cheats


Main reason I want. team finished last. gets 5th. no reason to give a last team place any kind of prize. Especially cheatin degenerate team like Leafs.
Get some scruples. Ya bunch a cheats.
Be proud of nothing.


26.) 24 Nov 2018 13:10:15
I don't think that Laine saying that stuff is cocky I just don't think that he cares about saying what your supposed to. The violin goal celebration on the other hand.


27.) 24 Nov 2018 13:52:02
@TBA

Yeah, maybe so, he's definetly different than most players - he's not the typical NHL player, ‘I have to say, ‘get pucks deep, etc. Etc. ’. When i first heard it, it did come off as cocky, but maybe it isn’t, and tbh, i think sh*t like that, where plYers don’t just say ‘get pucks in deep, cyle hard, battle for the puck, whatever’ is good for the league. Something different, some attitude, character, like the NBA/ NFL. those leagues do so aell because their players are differenr, they don't say/ do the same ‘humble’ sh*t over again. Now, i don't want to turn into lebron/ jordan or stuff like that where players are deliberately putting others down and calling themselves ‘the best in the world’. I just think its time for some character, attitude and personality in the league (carolina, laine, matthews, subban, etc. )

And sosa, i think youve been drinkin man, lol. I agree with ya most of the time yeah lol, just here maybe a lil differenr. And imo, buffalo tanked harder for mcdavid when they got eichel than tornto did for am. Just buffalo and arizona too that year missed and edmonton got him.


28.) 24 Nov 2018 13:55:07
And sosa, i completely forgot about eichel like that. Did he actualy do that? I can’t remember exactly, but if he did, yeah, maybe a bit cocky, that would be cockiness to me moreso, i just didn't have anything on eichel so i didn't want to say he's cocky but matthews isn’t be cause ill have a herd of people yelling at me saying ‘HIW CAN U SAY THAT AUSTON AND EICHEL R THE SAME’. I kinda remenber it, but i can't r, br what he said exactky.


29.) 24 Nov 2018 15:56:00
I don’t remember word for word but Eichel threw his team under the bus on more than one occasion I believe. I can’t wait until Matthews is back so Sosa can step up his rants.


30.) 25 Nov 2018 05:20:00
If we want to hear Sosa next weekend too, someone better hide his keys. A real weekend warrior.


 

 

19 Nov 2018 04:17:55
How would you guys rank these players? Contracts not considered

Stamkos
Tavares
Seguin
Schifele
Kuznetzkov
Backstrom
Getzlaf
Towes

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1.) 19 Nov 2018 04:36:00
Stamkos
Tavares/ Sheifle
Seguin
Kuznetsov
Getlaf
Backstrom
Toews


Lot of my list is due to age ect. bottom 3 on mine are on the back 9 of their careers. the rest all in their primes.


2.) 19 Nov 2018 05:47:38
Sosa’s list is pretty good. I think I’d be similar. If contracts mattered then the gap between stamkos at $8.5 and Tavares at $11 widens and Scheifele at $6.1 probably moves to the top.


3.) 19 Nov 2018 06:28:58
Scheifele
Kuznetsov
Tavares
Seguin
Stamkos/ backstrom
Toews/ getzlaf.


4.) 19 Nov 2018 11:39:51
Schief
JT
Stamkos
Kuz
Seguin
Backstrom
Getzlaf
Toews.


5.) 19 Nov 2018 14:16:05
Where do you guys think Kopitar and Bergeron would fit in? I think I’d take Schifele and Tavares over both.


6.) 19 Nov 2018 14:51:15
Because of age I'd take the younger guys VB. But I'd probably take a younger Bergeron, not sure about Kopitar,


7.) 19 Nov 2018 14:55:09
Scheifele
Seguin
Stamkos
Kuznetsov
Backstrom
Tavares
Toews
Getzlaf.


8.) 19 Nov 2018 23:22:53
Of course Memarcus joe puts the leafs player low.


9.) 20 Nov 2018 03:27:44
I only put Tavares low because of his contract. Tavares is a good player, but he's not $11M good. All the guys above him are either close or better than Tavares, but are either paid market value or not as overpaid as Tavares.


10.) 20 Nov 2018 03:49:52
The post says not counting contracts Marcus lol find another reason.


11.) 20 Nov 2018 04:25:45
Oops, I missed the not counting contacts part.

Scheifele
Seguin
Kuznetsov
Stamkos
Tavares
Backstrom
Toews
Getzlaf.


12.) 20 Nov 2018 14:00:31
Bergeron
Tavares
Schifele
Seguin
Kuz
Kopitar
Backstrom
Towes
Getzlaf IMO.


13.) 20 Nov 2018 14:27:26
@VBB Kopitar and Bergeron weren’t in the original post, and you’re the original poster lol.


14.) 20 Nov 2018 15:03:44
Of course vbbb puts the Leaf player over the Jet even though the Jet player is better than the Leaf in every possible category. Lol.


15.) 21 Nov 2018 01:37:22
Lol what Tavares has more goals and assists then Schifele and has been a top 10 player on a terrible Islanders roster for years.


 

 

11 Nov 2018 13:54:39
Just back on the fighting topic do you guys think there is anyone who could put up a fight against Ryan Reeves and if not who is the last person that could if any?

Also do you guys think Nylander could be traded for a futures oriented package similar to Karlsson with no Significant piece that helps the leafs short term?

Also one more of both had the same contract who'd you take on your team right now?

Kucherov or Kane

I'm talking Kane this guy can win games by him self. Kucherov is a little bit overrated IMO still a top 5 RW for sure.

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1.) 11 Nov 2018 15:34:06
Well Chara. for one. I'm sure there are some guys who could do ok against him. I'm not saying anyone could take him. but I feel lots of guys could do alright.
As for Nylander. I think the Leafs should try to get a top 4 Dman. I'm not sure where they stand in salary cap for the future, so maybe futures are good as well, just with an asset like Nylnder, he could get the return the Leafs need for a cup run. maybe even this year.
Probably Kane as well.


2.) 11 Nov 2018 16:31:43
-There was a pool earlier this year by the NHLPA. Whois the toughest player in the league? Reeves received %44 of the votes. Lucic was 2nd with %15 of the votes. No others names in the small article I just found about it. Chara got to be up there IMO.


-This Nylander circus is interesting. If a team can talk to their camp and agree on a deal, what does that do to his value? What package is said team willing to offer up. Teams now know Dubas back is against the wall just because of this Dec 1 deadline. They could play hard ball with him and not offer much. Maybe a decent prospect and a pick, maybe a roster player. i'm not sure any trade will be a big win for Dubas because of this deadline and contract uncertainty. Now that Freidman has said that Dumbas has let teams who are interested know Nylander is on the block and to indicate what you would offer. I wonder just how strong those packages teams offer are. I bet there will be a mix of packages tho, Maybe one for ones. Prospect + 1st, Roster player + 1st.

What kind of those packages do you think Dubas will accept VB? Btw Jim, nothing I said in this is to trash you, it was a legit conversation. Relax before you bring up ten irrelevant off topic things.
Mainly I just think this Dec 1 deadline is a big factor.


3.) 11 Nov 2018 18:09:11
If they don’t get what they want, they let him sit out. It’s not that he’s of a situation. The player is owned till he's 27 and can only play in the league under the leafs terms. If a deal makes sense, they trade him. If they get lowballed like you’re suggesting, they don’t. It’s pretty simple.


4.) 11 Nov 2018 18:10:17
Carolina would probably offer a dman not named Slavin. ( even Hamilton isn’t fitting there system but I doubt they’d be want to move him so quickly. ) They could be willing to add I’m not sure what. A team like Minnesota could offer up a dman or a future package. Calargry needs a RW still. There was speculation with Nylander and Paryanko that’d be a dream but won’t happen. If not I could still see them offering a a futures package with a contract attached. Like Boumester

I Personally think he’ll go to Carolina in a deal around Pesce.

In a futures package I think he can get a package like Boumester, Rober Thomas And 1st.


5.) 11 Nov 2018 18:15:53
Nylander for Puljujarvi and a 1st? Unless you think that 1st is going to be top 5 yupp, again. The oilers would probably have to dump the anchor Lucic to be able to afford a real forward. Don’t be offended, I’m so sorry. So much for being mature and repeating the same jibberish when addressing leaf fans?


6.) 11 Nov 2018 18:34:11
Why is Hamilton not fitting in vbb’s? I haven’t heard anything.


7.) 11 Nov 2018 18:38:51
-Ya VB Pesce would be good for you. That STL package is interesting good idea. Nylander in STL would be nice for them. A team I'm thinking will make a big push for Nylander is the LA Kings. Muzzin or Martinez plus a good prospect and or 1st maybe? Carolina, STL, LAK would be good fit and I think would be interested. Who else ya think maybe?



Lol @ Leafs17. And a Leafs fan brings up the Oilers in another post. How shocking. Nylander on Drais wing would be great. i would love that.
And it Seems I have to repeat myself about Leafs fans whining and bringing up the Oilers in every thread because it's constantly happening! You're just making my point my friend. 29 other teams may be interesting in Nylander, What do you think they would offer? Serious question, stay on topic here. Not trashing you at all just wondering what packages you think some of the other teams around the league would offer. Let's keep this thread to what kind of packages teams all around the league might offer for Nylander.


8.) 11 Nov 2018 18:40:33
Jim, Are you in board with Dubas just letting Nylander sit out a whole year if it comes to that? Do you think it's a smart decision if ultimately it comes down to that point? Simple question, no trashing, Oilers have nothing to do with this question.


9.) 11 Nov 2018 19:05:32
Yeah I do. Dubas is a rookie gm who gets to inherit a roster filled with talent but will be hard to manage all these players. He can’t let he first one push him around. He needs to let everyone know, regardless of his age and his experience at this level that he’s in charge. Players don’t call the shots until they are UFAs like Tavares. Nylander is arguably the 7th best player on the team (Matthews, Tavares, Marner, Rielly, Andersen and possibly Kadri), you don’t let the 6th or 7th best player on your team hold you hostage. If that’s allowed to happen, what will Matthews or marner want to do?

If dubas says we are trading him regardless, just to get this over with, No one is going to trade for Nylander without an extension, he doesn’t have to sign an extension anywhere he doesn’t want to and so Dubas would be rewarding Nylander for holding out by basically allowing him to turn himself into a UFA at 22. If he did that, that’s a huge fail. That’s a lot bigger fail than taking a long term approach to keeping control of your assets.

I don’t see how that doesn’t make sense. Players are RFAs for a reason, their rights are restricted, as a manager you use that to your advantage and if they don’t like it, they can sit and pout about it.


10.) 11 Nov 2018 22:42:33
Nowhere in league comparable value is there any reason whatsoever to pay Nylander a penny over $6.75 mill (call it $7mill with cap inflation) . We got first hand look last night, for like the 10th time, how much better Pastrnak is than him, and he’s towards the upper end ($6.67 mill) of all that group of skilled wingers leaving their ELCs (Ehlers 6, Gaudreau 6.75, Drouin 5.5, forsberg 6).

I would personally take Nylander over ehlers and Drouin in that group and not a chance over the other 3. So he should be in that range. If he wants to try and set a new bar for what a good winger is worth and wants 90% of kucherovs new deal (like being reported) then he can find someone who’s willing to do that and someone who is willing to give us a good return at the same time, or sit and get older in Sweden.


11.) 11 Nov 2018 23:55:16
I’d love to see him sit out the season.


12.) 12 Nov 2018 13:51:24
I wouldn’t love to see that, I’d rather see him signed reasonably or traded for proper value. But if none of those options are possible, it would look good on him to sit.

Hypothetically speaking, because no real numbers have been released and it’s all speculative, but say leafs have offfered $6.5 mill and he’s down to $7,5 mill. So they’re fighting over $1 million per year. Well if he’s willing to sit out the season for his beliefs, the same negotiation starts next year and he will have missed out on a whole $6.5 mill, more than they’re apart on a 6 year term lol I have to assume he’s getting bad advice by this point. It just doesn’t make sense. If a team was desperate for his services, I can see the leverage that an RFA can gain, but that’s not the case.

Another hypothetical, if it was Ekblad or Mcavoy or any young RHD free agent that we owned, they would have a lot more leverage and it would be far harder for Dubas to stay firm. But speed and offense is not our issue, it would always be nice to add more of that to any roster, but not at the cost he’s apparently asking.


13.) 12 Nov 2018 14:56:10
Obviously we could use Nylander in the line up or traded for some defensive help, but yes it would look real good on him to sit out.


14.) 12 Nov 2018 18:14:56
Could also see oilers interested Pulj, Bear and the 1st would probably be available Maybe Larsson, Klefbom And Bouchard probably not tho.

Dallas is looking for secondary scoring players like Tufte, Gurianov, Honka And Faska would be available I’m assuming then they’d add Picks.

Vegas is always in the running

Florida is interesting they aren’t afraid of making big moves and are useally low key. The Eklblad proposal was interesting but that feels like a offseason move.

LA obviously I’d ask for Kempe in any deal don’t really like their Dcore aside from Doughty and Voynov personally.

Arizona is not afraid to make big moves they have a young GM.

Anaheim is another one they’re struggling and they have a big trading history with the leafs.


15.) 12 Nov 2018 20:18:04
I like tha Anaheim one vbb’s. 30th in the league in goals for. Manson for Nylander straight up? Nylander is much younger so they should not have to add. Not sure if Anaheim could make it work salary wise though.


16.) 12 Nov 2018 22:24:11
Manson is the exact player I would want too except wish he was like 23-24 years old not 27 since Nylander is only 22. Although for a Dman, generally develop later, it could be argued they’re both nearing their own prime.


17.) 13 Nov 2018 04:24:00
Ya Jim I don’t think they get much more than a player like Manson. Cosain suggested on the other page, Manson, Ritchie and Steel. Leafs would have to add. I don’t think Steel is going anywhere but if taking Ritchie’s contract would make the salary work, leafs add a pick for sure.


18.) 13 Nov 2018 06:45:06
Sorry, Cosain said Montour not Manson.


 

 

19 Oct 2018 01:37:21
Hmmm.....I agreed with Sports Center when they ranked him the 4th ranked center and I was called an idiot.......I said Mathews was the better player and was going to out produce Tavares and I was called an idiot....nothing's set in stone it's only 7 games into the season but I think my predictions aren't unreasonable whatsoever.

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1.) 19 Oct 2018 06:18:40
Like you said. only 7 to 8 games. he's good VB. we all know that. has had a great start. can't take that away, he very well may be even the 2nd best . But. let's play at least half the season . before we get into all this .


2.) 19 Oct 2018 10:02:22
I recall people calling you an person but not for saying those two things. But if we are basing everything on 7 games wouldn't that mean he should have been the number 1 or 2 ranked center lol.


3.) 19 Oct 2018 13:22:53
People have been calling you an person for multiple things of the last few months not just this. Lol.


4.) 19 Oct 2018 13:37:03
Point is Mathews is/ Was underrated by a lot of people on here.


5.) 19 Oct 2018 17:10:54
I don't care what he has done in 7 or 8 games VB. there are still probably 5 or more centerman I would take. that may change., however not in the first month of the season.


6.) 19 Oct 2018 20:02:34
Sosa, who would be the 5 you would take? Actually just curious. To me there’s only 1 if I was starting a team for the future, and maybe a cpl others if it was for right now only.


7.) 19 Oct 2018 20:21:16
Matthews s young, unbelievably talented, natural goal scorer, and is controllable for years.

There’s very few centers I would take over Matthews right now. He absolutely is top 5 in the game, and that’s a fact.


8.) 19 Oct 2018 22:40:35
Right now considering the start he had and the fact he's still on a entry level deal you would have to rank him number 1 in terms of overall value. I don't think he will be that high on the list when he signs his new deal though but I guess if keeps up this pace maybe he will.


9.) 20 Oct 2018 00:42:08
Well Jim, if we are going by age as of now. I'm going to say Mathews # 2.

But. if I have 1 year, and only one year .
I take
McDavid
Crosby
Malkin
Stamkos/ Tavares
McKinnon
Bergeron/ Kopitar
Mathews.

And this is right now. by end of season I could very well change my tune.


10.) 20 Oct 2018 16:25:00
I think I'd take him over tavares and stamkos right now Sosa but for one year the rest look pretty good. starting next season all of the guys you mentioned will be cheaper as well which helps their case too.


11.) 20 Oct 2018 16:27:46
Fair list. I would have him above a cpl of those guys for 1 year. But agree long term he’s #2 at worst.


12.) 20 Oct 2018 17:13:06
Has Mathews even has a top 10 league scoring year or had an 82 point year (PPG)? Just curious.
Hasn't even had a 70 point season yet.


13.) 21 Oct 2018 01:54:07
He has had a PPG+ season last season.


14.) 22 Oct 2018 19:05:59
45g 83pt pace last year through 62 games.


 

 

 

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