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10 Aug 2018 21:15:55
Toronto: Josh Leivo

NYI: Micheal Del Colle

Toronto- gives Leivo a new chance considering there is no use for him in their organization. Del Colle could Battle Timoshov/Bracco for a top 6 spot on the Marlies. He has lots of talent but his draft position was to high.

Islanders- get a proven depth forward who can slot in on the third line or be a top line player in the AHL. He's really a player you can plug into any situation. Could be a full time NHLer with the right opportunity.


1.) 10 Aug 2018 21:21:58
I think if Lou believed in him enough to trade a former top 5 pick for him, he would have forced Babcock a little harder to get him in some games. This one I would do from leafs perspective for sure because dal Colle is still young enough. But ideally, we get a pick, free up a roster spot and use both at the deadline if there’s a need to address.

2.) 10 Aug 2018 21:43:32
I don’t think the top 5 pick tital holds much value if he’s not considered a bust I’m not sure what is. I doubt he could bring back more then what Edmonton got for Yakapov. I just want to see leivo get a chance in a new organization I don’t care what they get.

3.) 11 Aug 2018 01:22:46
Del colle has really looked bad hey. I wonder what the problem is with him.

4.) 11 Aug 2018 02:10:44
I know the top 5 doesn’t hold much anymore. Just don’t see them giving him up for Leivo. New management so they aren’t connected to that pick like Snow was, but he still just turned 22 and some of those power forwards take a bit of time. Don’t see them moving him for a guy that Lou just had for the last 3 years and he never made that team.

I want to see Leivo get a chance somewhere too tho.

5.) 11 Aug 2018 04:53:19
I think this year could still be a make or break year for him though. He was never the fastest skater but wasn't by no means slow. his stick handeling and overall puck skills were great when he was in junior I thought for sure he'd be a full time nhl forward by now.

6.) 11 Aug 2018 05:29:41
It looks like Del Colle is a career AHL/ Euro player but if he has the passion you never know.

7.) 11 Aug 2018 05:38:08
Dal Colles main problem is skating. Watching him play it seems he's carrying cement in his skates.



25 Jul 2018 01:01:49
Per Eliot Friedman the Leafs and Sharks are interested in Antemi Paniran as a rental. The price Per Eliot is thought to be ( A 1st +a B PROSPECT) I feel like it'll be more then that but not much

Assumption- this is a deadline deal where his value is at an all time low. He makes it clear he wants to test FA and won't sign in Columbus.

Comparison- Evander Kane and Marian Hossa 2009.

Columbus: Paniran And 3rd 2019

San Jose: Kevin Leblanc and 1st 2019

Clb: gets rid of a great player that is unwilling to stay long term. They pick up a promising prospect in Leblanc who's basically a guaranteed 2nd liner atleast and a 1st

SJ- gets a player who can be there best player offensively and they have the room to resign.

Columbus- Paniran and Ryan Murray

Toronto- Jake Gardiner, Connor Brown, and 1st 2019

Clb- Gardiner would be able to play on their top PP and would be an upgrade over Murray. Brown provides top 9 depth and a strong PKer. The 1st is useally a essential when trading for a top tier rental.

Toronto- 100% won't resign Paniran so he'd help the playoff push but Murray could be a long term solution for the 2nd pairing.


1.) 25 Jul 2018 04:44:40
Uh so the San Jose trade is terrible for Columbus. Easy no imo. As for the Toronto trade i can’t see Columbus also including Murray, especially since I know you think he’s a stud dman lol.
So I think Columbus could get better offers.

2.) 25 Jul 2018 04:53:28
SAN Jose doesn’t have a 2019 first it’ll have to be a 2020 first and Columbus i don’t think would want to wait for a 2020 pick as they have a squad that could compete now so it’ll require a roster player or prospects that’s ready to make the jump.

3.) 25 Jul 2018 05:26:49
Honestly if this is a deadline deal with the assumption you mentioned I take this as a Jackets fan. But I would add that if we are competing for a division spot or are even in a playoff spot, I think we self-rent Panarin to ourselves. This is the best team in franchise history and there is pressure for playoff success after losing to the champs in the first round two straight years.

4.) 25 Jul 2018 05:47:36
Good point Spencmence. Also you’re right A099 my apologies. Also I’ve never said Murray’s a stud McJesus I’m not to sure other teams would offer more but you could be right.

5.) 25 Jul 2018 11:19:20
No, He suggested that the Leafs could or should be interested in Panarin, not that they are interested and looking into him right now. There's a huge difference. You have to rest to understand then respond not just read to respond. There's a big difference.
And it would be a pure one year rental if they did go after him. If they have the space, why not! Go for it for one, year all out.
But your proposed trade for Panarin and Murray is not enough for CLB. Lol. There would be better offers.

6.) 25 Jul 2018 13:04:53
Gardiner is the best piece going back to CBJ from the leafs at the deadline butbhe is a IFA too. Makes no sense, especially including Murray. The best piece coming back only replaces murray who was a throw in, and as of July they have a late first and a bottom 6 player for panarin and Murray? Lol.

7.) 25 Jul 2018 15:29:41
I would love to see a line up of:

Panarin - Matthews - Nylander
Marleau - Tavares - Marner
Hyman - Kadri - Kapanen
Who - F’ing - cares

Lol but panarin is 100% a luxury. Top 6 scoring is the last thing we NEED to add and if it comes at the expense of Defense it’s a backwards step. The offer above isn’t near enough, and it’s not worth the leafs paying proper value for what we don’t need.

8.) 25 Jul 2018 16:38:11
We’ll see what he gets but UFAs never bring back much. I actually think they get less then that.

9.) 25 Jul 2018 17:53:14
I think If you don’t include Murray in the trade and include Kapanen instead of brown it’s a decent offer for Panarin.



11 Jul 2018 21:20:26
Washington: Tom Wilson/Andre Burakovsky, Lucus Johanson and 1st 2019

Columbus: Antrimi Paniran

* Capitals have over 8 million in cap space with only Wilson to sign

Washington- gets the best player in the deal and one of the most skilled players in the nhl. Would be ridiculous on the 2nd line. Could finally break out and become Washington's highest producing player.

Columbus: Wilson is one of the best in the NHL at what he does ( torts would love him ) and Bura is a young player on the uprise. They also get 2 1st round picks.

Top 9 for caps-
Bura-Eller-Smith Pelly


1.) 12 Jul 2018 05:18:08
1) the value of wilson and burakovsky are way different
2) if you want to suggest a trade you should be able to spell the guy's name. Panarin*.

2.) 12 Jul 2018 13:06:19
Good work, vb. Is this offer for an extended Paniran or not?

3.) 12 Jul 2018 13:35:36
No it’s not for an extended Paniran but if he were willing to take a discount around 7 mil the caps could resign him.

4.) 12 Jul 2018 13:42:41
PKane88- maybe provide some imput on the actual trade instead of stating the obvious? I sware I went on cap geek to Copy his name but I totally forgot lol. Anyway what’s your imput on the value.

5.) 12 Jul 2018 15:43:04
I think the jackets could do better even without an extension in place for panarin. I also think he will get paid at least 9 mil or more.

6.) 13 Jul 2018 03:50:12
You butchered his name lol

7.) 13 Jul 2018 13:03:59
Way too much for wsh to give up wilson and a first is plenty.

8.) 13 Jul 2018 13:38:21
VB- I said that burakovsky and wilson value is way different, if it is wilson i'd say fair deal, if burakovsky i'd say huge overpayment by washington.



09 Jul 2018 17:23:39
CLB: Paniran and 2019 2nd Rd

LA: Toffoli, Vilardi and 2019 1st

Paniran signs 8x8 ( 64 million )

CLB- Paniran said he's willing to sign a short term deal to win in Columbus but you got to think he'll leave as UFA if given the opportunity he wants to live in a big market for his wife to pursue modeling and besides New York LA Is the next best place.

The Jackets get a replacement, a top 10 prospect in the NHL and upgrade their pick.

LA: gets exactly what they need an speedy Offensive Dynamo to play with Kopitar and Kovi or take a spot on the 2nd line in Toffolis old spot while moving Kempe to the 1st line.




03 Jul 2018 19:56:18
Ottawa is a tough spot they can either trade Karlsson for an underwhelming return or lose him as an FA.

Ottawa: Erik Karlsson and Bobby Ryan

Vegas: Colin Miller and 1st 2019


Ottawa: Erik Karlsson

Vegas: Shea Theodore, Alex Tuch and 2nd 2019


Ottawa: Erik Karlsson

Colorado: Zandonov/Timmins and Ottawa's 1st 2019


Ottawa: Karlsson

Tampa: Tyler Johnson, Taylor Raddish, Slatter Koekkoek And 1st 2019


Ottawa: Karlsson

Washington:Matt Niskanen, Jakub Varna/Andre Burakovsky, Lucus Johanson and 1st 2019

If he is traded he'll return a similar package to these.


1.) 03 Jul 2018 20:27:42
Eric karlson was never top of my fav players list but I've noticed over the last 3 years he's really improved his play in the defensive zone along with being the top offensive defenseman in the league. I'm not going to be one of these guys who say he's one of the top 3 players in the league but when he's healthy he is for sure top 10. So essentially what I'm saying is if this is all it takes to get him and montreal doesn't at least try then I would be super ticked off.

2.) 03 Jul 2018 21:02:11
I highly doubt he’d resign with a non competitive team + do they really wanna pay him 11-13 million. @habby.

3.) 03 Jul 2018 21:15:08
I'm sure other places would be more attractive to him ATM but not all the teams that look like contenders on paper can afford him. and maybe he'd like to stay close to where he's been his whole career and that means toronto or montreal really. And the habs can afford to take on his and Ryan's cap and yes resign him too.

4.) 03 Jul 2018 21:16:36
We don't really know where his preferred destinations are yet but I wouldn't bet on it being montreal or toronto just the same.

5.) 03 Jul 2018 21:45:41
vegas fan right here.

6.) 03 Jul 2018 22:14:52
Colorado AND vegas fan =)

7.) 03 Jul 2018 22:30:04
Actually I’m a leafs fan and even if that were true ( leafs don’t even have the cap ) the sens would not trade their best player in franchise history to two of their biggest rivals you guys can disagree all you want but once Ottawa let’s Karlsson walk or gets an underwhelming return I’ll be the 1st to tell you guys I told you so just like I told Rambo about Hoffman.

8.) 03 Jul 2018 23:57:54
Toronto has better young guys than Montreal does. I don't think it would be wise to trade to either. I believe he will be traded to the West. If Karlsson goes to Toronto, the Leafs will be in playoffs for long time especially with Tavares probably a cup or 2. Dorion needs to find either a good top 2 Centre, goalie and between prospect or top 4 D-Man.

9.) 04 Jul 2018 02:30:04
I'm not disagreeing with you when you say he won't get as much as Rambo thinks he will I just don't see either of these deals being enough at this time.

10.) 04 Jul 2018 02:30:25
Some are probably close though.

11.) 04 Jul 2018 13:54:01
Just such random and so many values that are so different, hard to tell what you think Karlsson value is, colin Miller and a first? Obviously no from sens. The second trade with a first instead of a 2nd looks a lot better. The teams rumored to get him are contenders other than NYi, so a 2nd would be 50-60 pick and that's not enough.




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10 Aug 2018 21:39:44
I still can't believe in 2015 the Bruins had the 13th,14th and 15th picks and they picked who they picked.

Barzel was a conscious top 10 pick and I was kinda hoping Toronto was going to move down if Strome wasn't available to 8th with Columbus so they could draft him because there were rumours of Columbus looking to move up at the time to select Hanfin. As the draft went on I could not believe Barzel AND Kyle Connor fell down to the Bruins. I was thinking to myself they're going to draft Barzel, Connor and Zbroil ( who at the time was thought to be a safe pick for a top four shut down dman and projected to go higher then his d partner Thomas Chabot. )

At the time I thought Zbroil was a good pick but I still can't believe they took Debrusk and Zach Senyshyn. Just imagine how much better the Bruins would be with Connor and Barzal. Then there was Charlie taking Rienhart over Chabot/Barzal, Zacha going 6th, leafs trading the Konechny pick and Oliver Kylington falling.

How can a GM who gets paid millions not see what almost every other fan could see. If it wasn't for Barzals mid season injury that led him to miss the world Juniors he could've easily been the 3rd pick.

Anyway out of all the drafts I watched the 2015 draft was the funnest of them all. What was your guys favourite draft?


1.) 10 Aug 2018 22:01:24
2016 just the whole media trying to make a huge story out of maybe Toronto takes laine maybe Winnipeg takes puljarvi. When there was no question. Then the actual surprise at #3.

2.) 10 Aug 2018 22:12:55
Yeah I remember having a little giggle at those picks at the time too. All 3 seemed a little off the board for where they were, luckily for them debrusk looks ok.
One draft that comes to mind for me is 1990 the big 4 from the chl. Nobody could really predict what order they would go which was rare even for back then. Pens nabbed jagr at 5 which was still surprising he went that early even considering how talented he was. yeah things were different then lol. i had predicted at the time the habs would draft keith tkachuk at 12th I think they were, but instead they took turner Stevenson who was just amazing lol.

3.) 11 Aug 2018 00:23:48
Lol that draft was over 10 years before I was born.

4.) 11 Aug 2018 01:12:07
I'm surprised Boucherd dropped to Oilers and both Wahlstrom and Dobson fell to isles
Van, NYR, ARI, and I forget who else in the top ten surprised.

5.) 11 Aug 2018 03:36:31
I’ve kinda had a laugh at how they screwed up those 3 picks but in all honesty, after that 7 game series against us this season, Debrusk looks like a player. Not barzal obviously, but a skilled power forward that drives the net really hard and will fit in on that team and be adored by those fans if he plays like he did that series.

At Alpaca, I remember friends of mine trying to convince me the leafs might pass up Matthews after hearing that lol they do it every year. I remember they did the same thing with doughty over stamkos (which doesn’t seem so crazy now but at the time it was stamkos spot to lose) and the very next year with hedman over Tavares (when again, hedmans amazing but he took some time, and Tavares had broken gretzkys OHL goals record lol) .

And then there was a story that came out years later, can’t rememebr who ran the story, but was telling how islanders scouts and management really were debating who to take right till draft day, but it wasn’t JT/ Hedman, the room was apparently split between JT and Duchene who went 3rd to Avs lol.

6.) 11 Aug 2018 05:33:29
Debrusk is good but they shouldn’t have reached with gems in front of them. @ yup yah oilers and Islanders got lucky.

7.) 12 Aug 2018 02:05:29
Yup I don’t think VAN’s pick was a suprise. From what I was seeing Hughes was going to be the 2nd D taken. Montreal’s pick was expected to go outside of the top 10 weeks before the draft and I was seeing Boqvist possibly outside the top 10 too. But yeah I’m really jealous of the Isles draft.

8.) 12 Aug 2018 05:54:36
Actually ebs after his strong performance at the under 18 championship in April most list after that had kotkaniemi in the top 10 and some had him as high as 3rd. Bob mckenzie who usually picks the top 10 as good as any list had him at 5th.

9.) 12 Aug 2018 07:51:12
Okay I might be wrong but I seen him jump to around 12-15 then the thought was he was either going 3rd or around 10. But I don’t keep up with the prospects all that much so your probably right.

10.) 12 Aug 2018 11:28:55
I was suprised Kotkanhowever the hell you say it was picked at 3 as well. Oh boy. fingers crossed. Really wanted Zadina. but hope the Finn does well.

11.) 12 Aug 2018 15:42:36
Yeah ebs around mid season he was still around 12th I think.



08 Aug 2018 06:46:01
I honestly get why people hate on Mathews the leafs are the biggest media outlet in the NHL and he's the best player in Leafs/American history yes over Modano and Gilmore. He's the best even strength goal scorer in the NHL and As a rookie he scored 40 goals ( more then McJesus ). And almost single handedly brought the leafs to the playoffs. He was on pace for 44 goals and 39 Assists last season and next season 45 goals and 50 Assists is reasonable (95) points I believe Mathews being the best player in American history is a big reason why he's overhyped. I don't think he's as good as McDavid but he's going to be Lemieux as he was to Gretzky. He'll be in McDavids shadow.

Czech had Jagar
Canada had Gretzky
Russia had Valeri Khalamarov
Finland had Temmu Selaming
Sweden had Lindstrom
USA has Mathews

Let's see what this starts also I'll add on this is Projections most analysts agree that at the end of his career he'll have more success then Gilmore and Modano the future looks bright barring an injury.


1.) 08 Aug 2018 08:20:02
Lol calm down VB, give him a few more years and judge then.

2.) 08 Aug 2018 08:34:49
TSN/ Sportsnet are, yes, truly horrid. Leafs this, leafs that. For a fan of any other team, it’s annoying as all f**k. I haven’t watched either since the leafs got Tavares because I assume it’s just a 24/ 7 circle jerk. Honestly, if a network sprouted up in Winnipeg or wherever that covered every other team but the leafs, I’d watch it every. single. day. I don’t hate the leafs, I hate that they’re shoved down our throats.

As for Matthews, yeesh. Ease up.
I’m pretty sure you know you should too. While I have no evidence, I have a feeling you’re drunk. Matthews is a great player, no doubt. May very well end up being legendary too. But already putting him ahead of US hockey legends is ridiculous, and I know that you know that.

I agree with Triplets. Calm down.

3.) 08 Aug 2018 12:11:04
I guess I’m not allowed to tell you how I really feel. I thought coming from one leaf fan to another that administration would let it ride. Its time to come back down to earth. You’re the reason myself and other leaf fans get grouped in the “delusional” crowd like yourself.

4.) 08 Aug 2018 13:15:11
You’re right lol way to early to tell Mathews isn’t overrated tho he’s over hyped imo I was just saying he has the potential to get apast the Gilmore/ Madano level honesty I haven’t seen either play but. Looking at statistics and highlights and reading others opinions I believe that isn’t a to far fetched opinion. Mathews is then 2nd most hyped player in the NHL. I believe he has potential to reach the Yzerman level and in my non expert opinion i believe Yzerman was better then anyone in leafs history and Madano.

Late night post was reading a thread on HF boreds and trust me there is a lot more biased ones then me.

5.) 08 Aug 2018 15:11:18
Everyone already expressed my opinion on the matter saving me the trouble. Thanks guys. one thing I will ask is why valeri kharmalov from Russia? Yes he was really good but should someone like bure or ovechkin be there instead.

6.) 08 Aug 2018 15:27:59
Oh and can we have some more austin matthews stats please? Maybe you could tell us what his fav food is or the Tv show he's watching right now lol.

7.) 08 Aug 2018 15:57:35
Vbbb continuing on with his wild player evaluations. You need to stop making your evaluations based on playing NHL18 and try to learn something about hockey outside of Toronto.

8.) 08 Aug 2018 16:43:08
Lol. Wow.

9.) 08 Aug 2018 18:00:10
NHL 18 evaluations? Duncan Kieth has the higher overall rating I’m pretty sure. EA underates young players Brock Boeser is like 78 ovr. Haven’t played NHL 18 sense the end of the school year tho.

10.) 08 Aug 2018 18:17:13
Valery Khalamarov is one of the most idolized figures in Russia. All Russian players like Ovechkin and Malkin look up to him. In Russia they believe he’s better then Gretzky he is a national hero. Obviously here in NA we believe differently.

11.) 08 Aug 2018 19:56:55
Matthews is an elite talent 150%. He will be great.

But don’t compare him to Modano or any other USA legend atm. that's jist biased. He will be great. He is great now. But give him time before we start to crown him the ‘USA’s great one’ cause atm, that statement is complteley wild and over anyones head.

12.) 08 Aug 2018 21:34:54
if you ask vb laine is better than ovechkin. if you ask vb schiefle is the best player in the nhl.

thats all you need to know about vb.

potential means 0 until the players actually do

let matthews play a few full seasons and top 90 points a season plus for the bulk of his career before you start throwing modano and gilmour out there.

both those guys won cups btw.

13.) 08 Aug 2018 23:39:02
I live in America and as of now I have Kane way over Matthews! And plus others modano obviously! But I really like Matthews I hope he is as great as he’s supposed to be. but this is the reason we call Toronto fans out! Post about other teams for one week and see what people say maybe you have a better opinion instead of straight bias crap we see everyday.

14.) 08 Aug 2018 23:55:46
Was Modano even that dominate tho? As far as I know he was a star but on a Stamkos/ Tavares level did he ever win a cup? Is it just me or is his legacy not unreal. If Mathews wins a cup or two while consistently leading the leafs you’d think that he gets to that level. America hasn’t gotten many superstars until recently.

15.) 09 Aug 2018 00:04:23
Just because I wouldn’t trade Liane for Ovie in a fantasy keeper league dosent mean I think he’s the better player he’s 10 years younger I’d be a person to make that trade. And Schifele is a great fantasy player I didn’t want to trade him either his teams on the uprise.

16.) 09 Aug 2018 00:10:11
How come Lafontaine never gets mentioned in "Greatest Americans".
I'd say Kane probably has the title. but, Pat Lafontaine was pretty damn good., Brian Leetch was another.
Mathews is going to be in this class soon enough, and probably will surpass everyone and become greatest American. but. like some have said
. let's let him earn it. also, maybe this Hughes kid may have something to say about it. wouldn't it be something if Habs get him. lol. good chance, looking at the current roster. I believe Habs are a Carey Price injury away from having best Odds in the game to get him. and. well, as we all know. it's very possible that may happen.

17.) 09 Aug 2018 05:54:03
That’d be cool if Montreal got hughs. Colorado probably has him tho lol.

18.) 09 Aug 2018 18:57:07
Modano did win a cup with the stars in 99.

BUT Patrick Kane wth an Art Ross, Ted Lindsay Award, Hart Trophy (1st American to win it), 3 cups, Conn Smythe, Olympic medals (silver, but still) and Calder Trophy. Point per game playoff numbers, 50 playoff goals, a bunch of playoff GWGs including 4-5 series clinching ones and of course the OT winner for the Stanley Cup. Greatness comes from the biggest moments and he’s the ultimate big game player of a generation for me.

And had all that at 27 years old. Still under 30 now. He is the guy to beat for greatest American player in my eyes.

19.) 09 Aug 2018 20:20:38
I think Mathews can beat Kane.

20.) 10 Aug 2018 00:14:54
See vbbb that last statement was better. You think matthews can beat Kane. I take that as you mean someday he will better then Kane. Which is perfectly fine. its when you say stuff like he's better then gilmour or modano right now is what gets to people.

21.) 10 Aug 2018 00:31:44
It’s possible, but that’s why I said “he’s the one to beat”. As far as I’m concerned, no American has that type of a resume and certainly not by his age.

Without any major injuries, and the style Kane plays, I don’t see any reason he can’t be a productive player till he’s 35 or 36 years old. So he accomplished all that in the first half of a career. Pretty damn impressive. I doubt his second half will be as productive, but could still collect a cpl more awards and will keep piling up points.

22.) 10 Aug 2018 00:40:35
We know you do vbb’s. Let’s just hope for a decent playoff run for now.

23.) 10 Aug 2018 20:09:01
If he has more cups than Kane, I don’t care if he ever wins an individual award lol both would be incredible but that’s a steep climb.



06 Aug 2018 20:05:47
So nhl.com just released there top 20 center list this is what it was.
1. Connor McDavid
2. Sydney Crosby
3. Evegini Malkin
4. Austin Mathews
5. Nathen Mackinnon
6. Anze Kopitar
7. Mark Schifele
8. Patrice Bergeron
9. Tyler Seguin
10. John Tavares
11. Steven Stamkos
12. Evegny Kuznetzkov
13. Aleksander Barkov
14. Nicklas Backstrom
15. Jack Eichel
16. Mathew Barzel
17. William Karlsson
18. Sean Coutorier
19. Ryan Getzlaf
20. Leon Draistle

Maybe you guys should see Mathews play again.


1.) 06 Aug 2018 20:12:52
I bet you don't like that part about seguin being better then tavares though lol.

2.) 06 Aug 2018 20:14:57
I'd have matthews at 8th and tavares at 9 but overall it isn't bad compared to some of the lists the co called experts make.

3.) 06 Aug 2018 20:37:44
They base there list a lot on what they project a players point totals will be this year. I guess they think matthews is going to get 100 pts this year. he may but I'm not betting on that. If it was based on last year which they say is the other criteria for the list mackinnon would be number 2.

4.) 06 Aug 2018 21:31:50
No I don’t mind that actually it’s opinion really 1 place apart Seguin is faster and it’s a speed game Tavares has better puck control but is slower. Pretty even players play a different style tho.

5.) 06 Aug 2018 21:36:12
Also Habby this wasn’t really directed towards you it was just a point showing others agree with my opinion that Mathews> Tavares.

6.) 06 Aug 2018 22:30:56
im a leaf fan, sequin should be above taveres. matthews shouldn't be 4th. all you need to know is nhl. com is an american run site that offer next to nothing in terms of accurate projections. because that's just it, a guessing game. no one on the planet pegged wild bill karlson to score 40 plus. no one.

espn and nhl. com are the furthest thing reliable information other than previouvly recorded statistics.

americans reporting on hockey. pffffttt.

7.) 07 Aug 2018 01:17:11
It was maid by nhl scouts and respected people within the NHL. Also yah no I agree 100% with you Americans no nothing about hockey Mathews, Modano, Hull, Kane, ETC you’re 100% right they know nothing. But I agree with ESPN that’s a complete joke. Also Seguin is over Tavares.

8.) 07 Aug 2018 05:19:08
Brett Hull is Canadian with dual citizenship, like Parise or Stastny. But yes you’re right, there is plenty of great ‘Merican hockey players arguably right up there with Canada with young skilled guys.

9.) 07 Aug 2018 07:02:38
Matthews is just a bad joke. Incredible how overhyped he is.

10.) 07 Aug 2018 11:34:20
Didn’t see Point on that list triplets.

11.) 07 Aug 2018 12:06:26
I apologize, they have Point on the bubble of making the list. They must have made a mistake and meant to put him in the top 10. You’re right, that is a bad joke.

12.) 07 Aug 2018 13:03:57
So damn bitter. Lol I love stamkos, but Matthews first 2 years points and goals are very similar between the 2 players (Matthews more consistently 40 + 34 and stamkos 23+51) Matthews played 17 less games in those 2 seasons. Was a +27 vs stammers -17 And went to the playoffs both years which stamkos hadn’t seen yet st this point in his career. Not shots at stamkos, he’s sick and one of my favs. Wanted him to sign here obviously. But to call matthews overhyped seems off. Because he’s, atleast on pace, to out produce stamkos. That deserves a lot of hype.

13.) 07 Aug 2018 14:41:34
Check out stamkos stats as a19 and 20 year old like matthews.

14.) 07 Aug 2018 15:17:58
You just said that we shouldn't judge marner by the fact that the leafs didn't make it to the second round that his playoffs weren't unimpressive. And the next thing it is that Matthews has made it twice whereas stamkos hadn't. Make up your mind and quit switching based on which helps a leaf look better.

15.) 07 Aug 2018 15:29:38
Perfectly said Alpaca.

16.) 07 Aug 2018 16:07:12
Where is Drouin? Or Danault?
List is garbage if they aren't on there.

In all seriousness. I like to think who would I want in my Game 7 Stanley Cup final. Bergeron would he higher. as would Tavares, . Mathews may get there. but he isn't top 4 yet., and If I had to pick a center not named McDavid. to build a team around. it would be MacKinnon. . he will be the more rounded player, as well as I see him as more of a leader.

17.) 07 Aug 2018 16:54:27
Don’t listen to Drais he thinks Tyler Johnson is Mathews Tier and Points better then Tavares.

18.) 07 Aug 2018 17:22:06
Yes Sosa that's a big factor in my decision when considering the best players. I go a bit further and ask myself who would I want on my team in a 7 game series but still the same premise. overall right now I have mcdavid mackinnon scheifle crosby malkin kopitar bergeron all ahead of matthews and barkov stamkos tavares all slightly ahead. So maybe I have him 11th now that I really think about but him and tavares is really a toss up.

19.) 07 Aug 2018 17:42:36
What has Point to do with Matthews? I said Matthews doesn't deserve to be 4th, an opinion which should be shared by anyone in their right minds. I didn't say he doesn't belong on the list at all or Point should be ahead of him or anything. Simply said 4th is too high.

I also don't see how the Stamkos comparison makes sense. You also discredited yourself by using plus minus and "making the playoffs" as criteria which is as much a team stat as it gets. The list is about who are the best Cs right now, so it compared Stamkos at 28yo to Matthews at almost 21yo. Yes, I would probably put Stamkos ahead of Matthews right now. But I'd also put Tavares ahead of Matthews as well as Kopitar and Barkov.

Don't get me wrong, Matthews is good, very good. Franchise player. But Leafs media and Leafs fans act like he's on McDavid's or Crosby's level which he clearly isn't.

20.) 07 Aug 2018 18:19:20
When did I say don’t judge marner?! They said kucherov had good playoff stats as a 21 year old and I said Marner had 9 pts in 7 games. The fact that leafs didn’t advance so we couldn't see if he would keep that production up over more games is what I said. Kuch had 22 pts in 26 games, marner had 9 in 7. Both very impressive. But hard to compare without similar game totals.

I said if Matthews ends up as good as stamkos, I’d be happy lol if you want to take that as anything but a compliment, go ahead.

21.) 07 Aug 2018 19:27:16
You obviously haven’t seen Mathews play if you believe Tavares is anywhere near Mathews he’s atleast 2 tiers below him same with Barkov and Stamkos. You can make an argument for Kopitar tho.

22.) 07 Aug 2018 19:53:21
You can easily make an argument for all of them vbbb just it's a bit harder when your arguing with bias people.

23.) 07 Aug 2018 20:32:55
Nowhere did you say Matthews doesn’t belong 4th triplets. I believe you said he was like a bad joke. Had you said he doesn’t belong 4th I would have agreed with you, at the moment. Instead you’re ignorant and uneducated and very bitter in most of your posts. Regardless, at least some of us leaf fans can see the talent on other teams. I think Stamkos, Kucherov and Hedman are absolute studs. Yet you think every leaf player is overhyped. Sorry guys but leaf fans finally have a team to be excited about, suck it.

24.) 08 Aug 2018 00:24:35
Mathews at 4 is high. Comparing him to Stamkos first 2 years is a little bit of a misnomer because in Stamkos rookie season the coach didn't want him on the team. He was getting scratched, 4th line minutes, no pp, while Mathews was put in a spot to succeed right away. That is why the difference between Stamkos first and second season is so big, he took off mid way through his first season when Melrose was fired and new coach helped him build his confidence. Both deserve to be on the list, I tend to compare Tavares and Stamkos as similar talent level, around that 10 level. Mathews is high on this list, his age likely influencing it a bit even though it shouldn't, and because of his hype. I wouldn't say, at this point, that Mathews is head and shoulders above Tavares and Stamkos, would be willing to consider around their level, but would take some convincing for me to believe he is "one or two tiers above"

25.) 08 Aug 2018 01:26:27
And i compared their first 2 seasons in the NHL. They both came in the October after they were drafted. If you want to start splitting it into months they were born go ahead. Then you can look at Auston Matthews 17.5-18.5 age season wear he was playing Pro Hockey already in the Swiss League and was runner up for MVP with 24g22a for 46pts in 36 games (1.27 pts per game) Now knowing that your next arguements is that the Swiss league is a garbage league, 26 year old joe Thornton had 54 pts in 40 games (1.35pts per game) playing on a line with 20 year old Rick Nash who had 47 pts in 44 games (1.07 pts per game) . I call that impressive for a 17 year old, but I’m sure you don’t.

26.) 08 Aug 2018 04:22:14
Should be:


Matthews is too overhyped

27.) 08 Aug 2018 05:38:10
Stamkos’ first seasons don’t even matter on this list do they? Kind of an irrelevant argument. But I also think Matthews is a bit high. It’s a pretty hard or even impossible list to make. But if age and potential are taken into account he should be high. If his past season comes into account he should also be fairly high. But I have a hard time putting him in front of guys like MacKinnon or Schiefele or vets like Kopitar at the point.

28.) 08 Aug 2018 05:52:30
Victor stalberg remember him? He had 50 points in the same Swiss league last year soooooooo what's your point lol. This is too easy lol.

29.) 08 Aug 2018 07:11:57
Now that’s a reasonable response JBS, Billy and ebs. It makes for good hockey talk when I don’t have to tell people to suck it. I’m sure Matthews true value lies somewhere between what SOME leaf fans think, what analysts think and what people that hate everything Toronto think. Habby and Jim I’ve respected you guys for a long time but you sound like 12 year olds with the my daddy can beat up your daddy crap. Get over it!

30.) 08 Aug 2018 08:28:38
Lol dude, what is your problem? I said Matthews' (placement on the list) is a bad joke. As you can see in my last post, I acknowledge that he's a great player, just not as great as Leafs fans + media think he is: "Don't get me wrong, Matthews is good, very good. Franchise player. But Leafs media and Leafs fans act like he's on McDavid's or Crosby's level which he clearly isn't. "

All I meant to say was that he def shouldn't be in 4th place right now. And VB saying Matthews is 1-2 TIERS above Tavares and Stamkos right now is just literally proving my "overhyped" point.

Also interesting how you say I said "every leafs player is overhyped". Matthews is literally the only guy on the Leafs I called overhyped, so much for who's uneducated, ignorant and bitter, lol.

Also, I second everything jbs said about Stamkos rookie season, which is - as Ebs said - not a valid point in this argument anyways.

31.) 08 Aug 2018 08:44:10
I was fairly on board with Billy’s list until Barzal appeared. How is he even on the list? Awesome rookie season but he’s proven nothing. Even if it’s ranking the names from the original list, Matthews is above him. Eichel is above him. Couturier is definitely above him. I picked up Karlsson on free agency early in the year and he destroyed for my fantasy league but he has ZERO place on a top-20 C’s lisf. I see him getting a big contract and then 15 goals and 30 assists next season max. Not saying it was a fluke, I’m saying it was the magic of Vegas’s inaugural season. Everyone on that team killed and I see them sliding faaaar down the rankings this season, probably missing the playoffs by a hair.

Rant rant rant.

32.) 08 Aug 2018 14:07:26
Mackinnon is sick and going to be a superstar for a while but it took him 5 years to get past 63 points. Matthews did that in his 2nd year while playing 20 less games and had more pts in his first year. So this might not be a ‘potential and futures’ list, but if Mack is top 4 like some of you guys have suggested, then this is just a ‘who was the best centres of 2017/ 18’ list. Either way, don’t see anyone ever agreeing.

33.) 08 Aug 2018 18:30:33
I’m guessing that’s what it is jim otherwise why would Karlsson and Barzal be on the list. Honestly it’s a dumb list. Technically speaking Getzlaf could have easily been above Matthews but no way would I ever take him over Matthews on my team.

34.) 08 Aug 2018 19:59:32
Y’all are crazy.

We all know that the true goat, the true franchise player, the rrue top ten player, is. Bryan Little.

35.) 08 Aug 2018 20:22:58
@ebs, that’s possible, you’re probably right. Just if it is actually only for last year, Nate should be right behind Mcdavid and he’s not. Lol I don’t know. If it’s just based on last season, then they should take everyone’s points per game and that’s the base of your list, then maybe alter a guy or two for other reasons (support, defensive contributions etc) . If the list is just last seasons, then it should say that, or prediction for next season or for future going forward. If it’s going forward I take mcdavid 1, matthews 2, mackinnon And scheifele very close 3’s and depending on matthews next contract, mackinnon and scheifele in the $6 mill range could be a better choice to start a team with than anyone.

36.) 08 Aug 2018 21:14:07
Is that what it is, a list based off next years predictions? Lol cause that would make it a lot better list. Karlsson and Getzlaf shouldn’t be that high still. Also think Malkin is going to start getting passed over by younger guys.

37.) 08 Aug 2018 22:23:31
The two factors which were used in determining the list were as I stated earlier. Last years production and what the 3 guys who made the list project as the production this season. So as I said before they must be projecting matthews to have close to a 100 points this year and if he does he will deserve the 4th spot and posdibly even higher.

38.) 08 Aug 2018 23:47:22
I don’t know about 100 pts because there’s lots of players that will spread the offense out but wouldn’t really surprise me either. But healthy I would be shocked if he doesn’t have 85.

The last cpl years Kadri has given teams another threat to worry about but never really enough to pull the toughest matchups away from Matthews, more the other way which is why Kadri broke out when Matthews showed up.

But this year with JT, you would assume there will be atleast some time that Matthews is away from shut down lines and top pair. Can’t see how his numbers get any worse than last year which were like 84 pt pace.

39.) 08 Aug 2018 23:50:24
I think y’all forgot about Eric staal and last season!

40.) 09 Aug 2018 08:11:20
The official nhl. com list is called Top 20 centers RIGHT NOW.



28 Jul 2018 21:24:49
I'm just curious what leafs fans think William Nylander is a Right Handed right wing who is in a position to be a finsisher on the Mathews line. He dosent use the boards to his advantage or size so would it not be smarter to move him to the LW to open up a the chance to be more effective off the rush and opens up a 1 timer option that wasn't available before. Meanwhile Hyman uses the boards and physical presence so it could be benifical to move him to the RW.


1.) 29 Jul 2018 22:09:02
I’ve thought that before too, but I think part of the thinking is that Nylander has great puck protection and prefers the right side, and Hyman is a beast regardless of forehand or backhand. And he’s eother side when he’s first on the forecheck anyway. This year hymans starting with JT and Marner anyway so it’ll be a whole different dynamic for him.

2.) 30 Jul 2018 01:55:12
If I were Babcock I’d try to move them around to open up the 1 timer option but that’s just me. Now Marner is better off on RW for sure.



22 Jul 2018 19:21:37
Just curious do you guys agree with each of these evaluations and if not which ones do you specifically not agree with I believe they are all atleast fairly close in value.

Mathews=Eichel or any player not named Crosby or McDavid
Nylander=Paryanko/ Ehlers
Gardiner=Ryan Murray
Kappanen=13th overall
Brown=projected late 1st like Hartman



1.) 22 Jul 2018 20:34:35
Parayko and Ehlers > Nylander
Quick >> Anderson
13th overall > Kapanen.

2.) 22 Jul 2018 21:04:44
If you mean right now then I would disagree with a lot of them. if they are based on possible or potential then they are closer. Marner is good but right now he's not better then gaudreau or even equal.
Kane is slightly better then tavares and has been his whole career up to this point
Quick is way better then anderson
Brown isn't as good as hartman as he doesn't play the same all around game as hartman does. most of the difference is in the gritty/ hitting/ hardnosed part though
Kappanen for 13th overall? That's like me saying scherbak should be able to get 13th overall. I'm sure you wouldn't agree with that either. On top of that there are several players other then crosby or mcdavid currently in the nhl who are better then matthews and eichel.

3.) 22 Jul 2018 21:17:20
I think I'd take wild card kovalchuk over marleau too but I'd agree gardiner is better then murray so at least I'd agree with one of them and a couple others are too close to call.

4.) 22 Jul 2018 21:24:48
I’d say Brown is similar to Hartman. What nashville paid to get hartman. no. That’s one of Pilles worst deals imo.

Nylander = Ehlers, but Colt>Nylander.

Quick>Fredy still.

5.) 23 Jul 2018 01:17:04
I’m talking about trade value not skill.

6.) 23 Jul 2018 05:28:39
@habby, I agree there’s better players than Matthews and Eichel currently but when talking about trade value which is what he is, I think vbb is right. Taking age, position and potential into the equation, I wouldn’t trade Matthews straight up for anyone outside of those 2.

The kapanen one is definitely off. Some others are pretty close. Kane has obviously been better than JT but I’m really interested to see what tavares can do playing more meaningful games with a better cast around him.

7.) 23 Jul 2018 07:26:18
Yup nylander is better then ehlers and has more value. But Parayko is worth way more then nylander. I don’t want this to go wrong cause I think ehlers is a hell of a player but I think he is a bi product of his line mates taking attention away from him.

8.) 23 Jul 2018 15:44:43
My thoughts around JT vs Kane is C>Winger. Obviously Kane’s better offensively but Tavares is better all around I personally don’t believe spending 10 million on a winger is a good idea but if I were to spend 10 million on one him or Ovie would be the one.

Now Ehlers is not better then Nylander please explain your argument

Kappanen reminds me so much of Kris Kriender that’s why I but the value so high but I guess that’d be Organizational bias

Also yes this post is about trade value.

9.) 23 Jul 2018 15:52:47
I like Matthews and I wouldn't trade him straight up for Crosby but there are still several players I would trade him for.

10.) 23 Jul 2018 18:08:28
Such as?

11.) 23 Jul 2018 18:57:16
Let me guess Habby Mathews for Price? Name 3 of those “ several players “.

12.) 23 Jul 2018 22:56:26
well vbb seeing you asked. we both know Matthews is soon due for a huge raise right? somewhere between 10 and 13 mil one would assume right? knowing this i'd take seth jones nikta kucherov mark scheflie over him. let me know if you would like to hear some more.

13.) 24 Jul 2018 03:42:12
mackinnon, laine.

14.) 24 Jul 2018 04:49:14
There is no way any logical sane person with a strong understanding would take any of them over Mathews. Also probably 11 for Mathews which he deserves.

Mathews scored 40 goals his rookie season as a 19 year old and is thought by many to be a “ Generational Talent “ he’s over a PPG player and on top of that he’s even better defensively then offensively as a 19 year old, 19 year a 19 year old he was one of the best faceoff takers in the nhl and a stud defensively.

Jones a strong 2 way Rhd that did what for Columbus? He’s not even a top 10 dman in the NHL he’s closer to Marner then Mathews. Don’t think Jones has the skating to be a top 3 dman in the future

Nikita Kucherov is 5 years older. 5 years is a long time and on top of that he’s a 1 dimensional winger who when he was 20 he only put up 18 points in 53 games. Regardless C>>W

Schifele is great and all but he’s 6 years older and really skill wise he’s ATLEAST a tier below. He is debatably a product of his linemates Kyle Connor and Blake Wheeler and has no where near the defensive ability when he was Mathews age he wasn’t even in the nhl.

Liane I a great winger don’t get me wrong but he’s a winger. Who is absolutely horrendous in his own end and floats in 5 v 5 play. He’s wildly inconsistent on but on the PP he is money. I’ll respect that opinion but I strongly disagree. He scores maybe 5 more goals a season then Mathews? But is a winger and is terrible in his own end.

Yes Mackinnon he just had a break out season but before that what has he done? + again he’s 5 years older. With that being said his contract is amazing but the reality is he isn’t as good as Austin.

I’d like you to name some because that list was clearly a joke. I’ll take Eichel over all of them also. The only player that Is acceptable is Rasmus Dahlin.

15.) 24 Jul 2018 05:17:23
Scheifele I will put in that class because he’s a legit #1 centre, older than Matthews obviously but certainly not old, and on possibly the best contract in the league at 8x $6.1 mill while players a lot worse are getting $8-9 mill.

Mackinnon is very close as well with his age and contract but would like to see another year to know which player we are getting. Hopefully this crazy surge he went on after Duchene left is what he is from now on. Just needed to be the go to guy in all situations.

I still wouldn’t trade Matthews for either of those 2 players, he’s younger and better IMO. But I can respect those as fair opinions.

Jones I don’t think is in that tier of player although he’s very good. And kucherov is older, a winger and isn’t exactly on any bargain contract either at $9.5 mill (not saying overpaid, just certainly not a steal like Mack and scheifele)

16.) 24 Jul 2018 15:34:24
I didn't need to know what you guys thought I already knew lol. you asked what I thought. there is a couple more too.

17.) 24 Jul 2018 17:04:19
Okay lol I just find it very hard to believe if habs had a 20 year old franchise centre with point per game stats, a 40 goal season and another one that was 54 goal pace over 62 games, you would trade him for Seth Jones lol but hey, we will never know.

18.) 24 Jul 2018 17:06:24
45 goal pace* not 54. Typo.

19.) 27 Jul 2018 19:23:01
Jim my logic is with jones I'd have a player who I feel is going to be a Norris trophy winner soon and with the additional 5 to 7 mil that would make up the new matthews contract I could probably add a 30 goal man. this is not a new thing from me cause I have said the same thing about price. i'd take a lesser goalie and a 30 goal scorer any day of the week. bob McGowan always said he'd rather 2 5mil players then 1 10 mil player I didn't always think like that but I'm leaning that way these days.

20.) 27 Jul 2018 22:05:17
1 10 million dollar player or 2 5 million dollar players.

just for giggles i included anyone with a cap hit of 4.5 to 5.5 million and tried to take 2 guys that are actually on the same team.

auston matthews


perron and bozak.
pominville and berglund
koivu and neidereiter
horvat and edler
miller and palat

come on habby, you take matthews every time.

21.) 28 Jul 2018 13:41:22
We'll ovie the argument was assuming I already had Seth jones. So yeah I'd take jones and horvat right now over matthews.




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