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07 Mar 2024 19:05:29
Habs- kovacevic

Van- podkolzin


Habs- Allen 50%retain


Col- Beaucage


Habs- armia


LA- kaliev

Or Nyi - Wahlstrom

06 Mar 2024 15:48:21
Pittsburgh Trades
RSmith*

Toronto Trades
Gregor
NRobertson (AHL)
3rd Round Pick 2024 (NYI Pick)

*Pens retain 50% of RSmith's remaining contract.


Dubas will be trading age for youth as well as an obvious upcoming UFA by Friday, some might argue Pittsburgh would say no to this proposal, imo this is about right.

Leafs solidify the third line adding RSmith and strength the 4th line moving Jarnkrok with Holmberg and Kampf with Reaves being the 13th forward for any future rough games like The Rangers game.


Thoughts ?

06 Mar 2024 18:35:57
After seeing Senko go for a 3rd and 4th I’d imagine you could drop Robertson from the deal.

06 Mar 2024 20:29:21
Not needed for Toronto.

06 Mar 2024 22:00:14
The Senko trade definitely doesn't set the price for top 6 players value. He had a full NTC. He ultimately got to decide where he went and because of that tied Ottawa's hands as to what they could acquire. They opted to at least get something for him rather than him leaving for nothing at the end of the year. Florida got a steal and bolstered and already very strong lineup even more.

07 Mar 2024 22:25:40
The leafs need D, and have smartly made modest deals for D.

04 Mar 2024 18:58:34
Pittsburgh Trades
Rackell*

Toronto Trades
NRobertson
1st Round Pick 2024
3rd Round Pick 2024 (NYI Pick)


*Pens retain 50% of Rakell's remaining contract.


Pittsburgh free falling out of the playoffs and needing to get younger and draft picks will be looking at making deals similar to this, Dubas who knows NRobertson well would I am sure welcome him in The Pittsburgh organization.

The Leafs looking to bolster their lineup get a better version of Jarnkrok in Rackell and can see his style fit in very well in Toronto and can play on any line as well as wing or centre just like Jarnkrok but has more offence capabilities.



Thoughts ?

04 Mar 2024 20:55:49
Hope not for Toronto. Rakell is not close to being with that.

05 Mar 2024 16:28:42
Rackell has never really been the same guy as he was back in Anaheim. I figured he coulda flirted with 40 goals playing in Pittsburgh, however he has regressed.
If I were Leafs management, maybe small tweaks, nothing to major.

05 Mar 2024 18:08:43
Rackell is a shell of his former self. Pit is stuck with him.

01 Mar 2024 16:56:51
Leafs Deadline deal

1. Washington: Jensen and Dowd (50% retained) For 2024 1st 3rd NYI, Timmins, voit and Niemala

Bertuzzi Matthews Robertson
Jarnkrok Domi Nylander
Knies Tavares Marner
Dowd Kampf Mcmann

Reilly Jensen
Brodie Liligrin
McCabe Benoit
Lybushkin
* Gio LTIR *

Woll
Samsonov
Jones


To Explain the Roster shift.

Marner and Matthews is to predictable as they will get shut down so they should diversfy the lines and have Tavares and Brodie more realistic roles. Also will have one extra Goalie and defencemen to rotate in and out.

01 Mar 2024 18:33:12
It's important note only dowd is 50% retained for the deal.

02 Mar 2024 19:55:13
we just traded for lyubushkin and your already benching him until an injury. nty.

02 Mar 2024 19:58:26
A 1st for those 2 is steep. Maybe Simplify it to Timmons, Volt and 1st for the two. But I don’t think these 2 will require a 1st but that’s a trade I wouldn’t hate as a leafs fan.

02 Mar 2024 21:04:38
seems like an overpayment from TOR

29 Feb 2024 13:44:36
Time for Oilers to Trade Bouchard !!!

Option for replacement;
NYI - Noah Dobson

Could a trade be made here ??

29 Feb 2024 15:17:48
Don't think the Isles move Dobson. One of the best well rounded dmen in the league currently. He's probably there for the foreseeable future.

29 Feb 2024 15:25:51
Sweet Lou loves Dobson, who is a potential Norris candidate this season or very soon. I haven't such an effortless skater in recent memory. A few strides and he's down the ice. Very impressive to see at ice level.

26 Feb 2024 18:44:31
I have a creative 3 way trade similar to the trade that brought Ryan O'Reilly to The Leafs.

Chicago Trades Gust (AHL) to Washington for Mantha and The Capitals retain 50% of Mantha's expiring contract.

Toronto Trades a 1st Round Pick 2024 and their 2024 3rd Round Pick (NYI Pick) to The Capitals for Gust.

Chicago Trades Mantha with Chicago retaining another 50% of Mantha's expiring contact to The Leafs for NRobertson.

So in the end Washington trades Mantha retaining half his salary and getting a 1st Round Pick and a 3rd Round Pick in 2024 from Toronto.
Chicago gets NRobertson and retaining another 50% of Mantha's contract.
And Toronto gets Mantha and Gust.
With 2 retaining of 50% by both Washington and Chicago yes Toronto can fit Mantha into their cap.


Thoughts ?

26 Feb 2024 20:32:28
Toronto passes. A 1st, 3rd and Robertson for a 30 year old ahler and Mantha who when healthy is an average hockey player. No thanks.

26 Feb 2024 15:36:29
Sharks Trade
Rutta*

Leafs Trade
Timmons
Grebyonkin (KHL)
3rd Round Pick 2024 (NYI Pick)


*SJ retains 50% of Rutta's remaining 2 years of his contract.


Sharks are rebuilding and this is exactly what teams like SJ do.
Toronto is getting a pretty good RHanded Shooting Defenceman that plays a solid defensive game.
So who today is going to spin it that Rutta is the next best Defenceman in the NHL and SJ would never accept a deal like this ?


Thoughts ?

26 Feb 2024 18:18:34
It's definitely there value wise I think. Once one of the top dmen available for trade get traded it will help to gauge what the ones below will garner in return. Again though I think we should let it ride out this year and regroup in the offseason. See where our prospects/ depth players are at, grab another 1st round prospect this year, and see what FA has to offer. Best case scenario is we stay hot and can carry the play into the playoffs and maybe go on a run.

26 Feb 2024 18:58:05
- "Grebenkin" is an unsigned draft pick from 2022, so if SJ really wanted him, they or any other NHL team can sign him as a Free Agent this summer when he's no longer your team's property. He has zero value in trade.

- Timmins is out indefinitely with "mono".

- So your trade for Rutta comes down to a 3rd. AND SJ retains for 2 years?

Get real Pinball. stop wasting everyone's time with these ridiculous homer trades of yours. They're getting worse, and that's saying something.

It isn't "spin" when someone disagrees with you Pinball, just like it isn't "leaf bias" when someone disagrees with your one-sided trades.

26 Feb 2024 20:11:22
Chickenfoot
Grebyonkin's KHL contract ends after this season not The Leaf rights.
Please at least post facts not what comes out of your own head.
Yes you are spinning this because it's a Leaf trade.

26 Feb 2024 20:34:54
Rutta is a 5/ 6 dman on most teams. But to retain for 2 years the Leafs would need to add.

26 Feb 2024 20:35:04
Also Chickenfoot if a player plays in The KHL which Grebyonkin does Toronto's rights are indefinite, other European Leagues its 4 years.
Grebyonkin was drafted in 2022 so even if he wasn't playing in The KHL which he is Toronto would still have 2 years of rights to Grebyonkin.
Again I hope I have educated you so you stop putting your Chickenfoot in your mouth.

27 Feb 2024 01:26:44
Yah I was pretty positive we owned his rights for at least another year. He is having a pretty good season in the KHL. Take out the retention and I can see SJ being interested. Timmins gives them a younger right shot dman going forward. Not sure if you can trade players who are on the LTIR, SJ would have to see him as someone they can use next season. Grebyonkin is a low risk, mid return player for SJ. From scouting reports I've read he's a bigger body at 6'2 and is primarily a pass first kind of player with pretty good foot speed. SJ is years away from being in the playoff hunt and with Rutta's age he's expendable for SJ.

Everything will come down to what Tanev gets traded for as he's the top RHD that's likely to get traded and will determine what market value is for the players below him.

27 Feb 2024 04:26:17
PINBALL & MG: you are correct about the KHL transfer agreement. GOOD FOR YOU PINBALL! ?. (I’ve never seen you own when you’ve been wrong about anything, but I have no issue with it. )

It’s still a ridiculous trade, and the reality of the trade deadline returns will likely come as a shock for you. Generally teams aren’t looking to add guys with mono at the deadline.

27 Feb 2024 08:57:03
Lol no most teams aren't, but mono isn't forever and the Sharks can afford to wait for his return. It's not outrageous to think that this could land Rutta though. Timmins likely is a regular in SJ's lineup once the mono passes, Grebyonkin gives them a decent prospect, and a 3rd is a 3rd. Get rid of the retention all together from SJ as that does likely make that pick a higher pick because of it.

It will all come down to what Tanev gets as that will set the market for RHD defensive dmen, Grier's interest in Grebyonkin and whether he thinks he ever makes is way across the pond to play in North America. For comparison Grebyonkin's stats in the KHL are better than what Panarin's were at the same age. Whether they can translate to North American hockey and the smaller ice is the question mark.

27 Feb 2024 13:01:36
Chickenfoot
I will always own up to being wrong, what I post is strictly my opinions on Trades.
I will respond if I feel someone else is wrong about certain players.
For example in this proposal SJ is rebuilding and a player like Rutta would be moved to get future assets, Timmons, Grebyonkin and a 3rd are future assets, as for the retention Rutta has a $2,750.000 cap hit for this season and next which means SJ will be on the hook for only $1,375.00 for 2 seasons cap wise which isn't huge for a team rebuilding.

27 Feb 2024 13:58:52
PINBALL: I would agree that 1.375M isn't much for a rebuilding team, but I just don't see any incentive to SJ to make this trade as proposed.

The 3rd can be seen as compensation for retention, but I just don't see SJ seeing either Grebyonkin or Timmins as an enticing package. If they move Rutta it will be for a better package than this in my humble opinion.

For what it's worth, I haven't seen you acknowledge when you were wrong, ever. You didn't see me taking a lap when I bulls-eyed the Monahan trade, etc., nor do I have any issue accepting when I've gotten it wrong. Full kudos to you on this one. I think the reality of the trade deadline trades and returns will be a big surprise to you.

MG: agreed that Timmins' mono isn't forever, and that SJ can afford to play the long game, I just don't see why they'd be enticed to make this trade? They'll be looking for high picks or prospects with upside.

27 Feb 2024 14:58:18
@Chickenfoot Grebyonkin could be looked at as a potential mid/ high level prospect. Key word is obviously potential. Like I said at the same age as Panarin he has more points in the KHL. That's a very promising thing going for him and shows that the potential is there. Whether that potential is ever reached is a complete unknown, like it is with any prospect.

End of the day Grier would have to be pretty high on that potential. Could they get better offers? For sure. Could an offer like this be enough to entice him to pull the trigger? For sure. All comes back to whatever Tanev gets dealt for will set the market for that level and the level below IMO. Should be interesting and I still hold the preference of the Leafs making zero moves and going with the group they have right now. They're hot right now with some ugly wins, but playing good hockey for the back half of the season.

27 Feb 2024 18:25:58
I hear what you're saying MG, and as usual, you make a lot of sense.

Every team needs to have guys playing and contributing on cheap ELC contracts, and this is especially true in Toronto where fewer draft picks have left fewer prospects to fill roster gaps.

My thinking is that if Grebyonkin was any good that he'd already be playing somewhere in the leafs' system, and be under contract.

Rebuilding teams are willing to take on cap if it boosts picks and prospects for a rebuild. I just don't see this package as enticing to SJ. Trade capital is something the leafs are short of at this deadline, and it will be very challenging for Treliving to not trade the two 1st picks he has in the next 3 years to address his deadline needs.

27 Feb 2024 19:23:57
@Chickenfoot I think it's more they are letting him honour his contract before making a push for him to come to North America. I think the potential is there. He's got 19G, 22A, and 41P in 67 games in what some consider the 2nd best league in the world playing; and is only 20 years old. Everything you would ideally want in a prospect. With any player though that comes from over sees it's always will they be able to adjust to the smaller ice surface and the different style of play. From everything I've read he has the offensive skills to be an NHLer, his defensive game needs improvement.

27 Feb 2024 21:44:10
I respect your point of view MG, and I will definitely be interested to see how this kid progresses.

As an unsigned Russian, and all that goes with being a Russian prospect in this day and age, I don’t see him or Timmins as meaningful trade chips that are going to move the needle much for a rebuilding team like SJ. Time will tell the truth I guess, as it always does?.

28 Feb 2024 12:10:36
For sure. A lot of unknowns for sure. Apparently the Leafs are looking at signing him to his ELC. Grier would have to be high on the potential and think that he'd sign with them.

The potential for a busy deadline is there, also potential for it to be a snooze fest. Hopefully lots of action.

28 Feb 2024 17:20:39
MG: I'm leaning more towards the deadline being "sleepier" than usual. It's not breaking news to say it's a capped out league, and I think there will be more teams than usual sit it out, or make smaller moves.

In the long run I think your man Treliving is wise to take a stand and not trade either of his first round picks. Unless you think you're a move or two away, keep your powder dry. It's tough when you're not drafting enough because your roster gets too expensive too fast when you don't have meaningful contributions from players on ELC's.

26 Feb 2024 15:35:42
Toronto - Adam Larsson (50% retained), P.E. Bellemare

Seattle - 24 1st Rd pick, 24 NYI 3rd Rd pick, 5th Rd pick (whenever), Nick Robertson, Conor Timmins

26 Feb 2024 19:18:31
- I think you're close, but the second year of retention at 50% is going to cost something, provided Ronnie Franchise even wants to trade one of his more dependable D.

- Robertson has little value, and Timmins has even less value. plus mono. If you replaced those two with a better prospect (or a 2nd if you could pick on up in trade) .

26 Feb 2024 20:37:14
Hopefully Toronto would pass here. I do like Larsson but not at that expense.

Robertson does still have value. He is only 22.

22 Feb 2024 16:28:47
3 team proposal.

Arizona Trades
Keller-(Tor)
Dumba*-(Col)
JBrown*+(Tor)

Colorado Trades
O'Connor-(Arz)
Byram-(Arz)
Kero(AHL)-(Tor)

Toronto Trades
Knies-(Arz)
Kampf-(Col)
Jarnkrok-(Col)
Liljegren-(Arz)
Petruzzelli(AHL)-(Arz)
1st Round Pick 2024-(Arz)
3rd Round Pick 2024(NYI Pick)-(Arz)


*Arizona retains 50% of both Dumba and JBrown expiring contract.


So many players in my proposal going here and there to explain it all, but what each team is giving up and what they are getting fits every teams needs imo.



Thoughts ?

22 Feb 2024 18:22:22
Colorado trades Byram and get next to nothing in return.

22 Feb 2024 19:00:49
Ebsolutely
Colorado needs depth on bottom forward lines and Kampf and Jarnkrok do that, Dumba is the hard hitting RHanded Defenceman they are looking for, remember Colorado is looking to win it all this year not rebuilding.
Ok instead of sending the 3rd Rounder to Arizona I will instead send it to Colorado to give Colorado another asset going back for Byam.
What Arizona is getting back I still believe without a 3rd they would agree.

22 Feb 2024 19:08:07
What do the Avs get out of this? What do the Coyotes get out of this? This only benefits us. Avs are fine sitting 2nd in the central, 3rd in the west as a whole, and 5th overall in the entire league. They'll look to add for sure, but not at the cost of Byram unless they are getting a high end player up front in and they most definitely do not add that in this deal. Yotes trade their top player who is signed at a very reasonable contract and is only 25. Even if they hop into a rebuild you know who's going to be apart of it? Clayton Keller.

We are not going to be big game hunting, at least we shouldn't be. Too many uncertainties in net to be confident enough to say this is the year we trade our top prospects, trade our future draft picks away, and go all in for the cup Add a good right handed dman who can slot in on the second or third pairing who can play a responsible game in our end, can skate well enough to transition, and get shots through on the offensive side of things.

22 Feb 2024 21:06:54
Embarrassing Pinball…absolute ?

Take a long weekend and come back with some perspective.

22 Feb 2024 23:08:54
MG69
To start with what are The Avs getting? 3 players that will help them in the playoffs, do you not thinking adding Kampf, Jarnkrok up front and Dumba on defense over O'Connor and Byram makes them better for the playoffs? SMH if you think not.
What does Zona get?
Byram and Liljegren over Dumba and JBrown is that an improvement for next season and beyond?
Keller of course is the best player in the deal but Knies was magic with Cooley in college and he is a young power type forward with skill, in all honesty I would hate to trade Knies but to get Keller you have to, add the 1st and 3rd plus the trade off on defense and a depth goaltender.
That's why Arizona would do that.
As for Chickenfoot we know every Leaf player has no value in your world so why bother saying anything to you.

23 Feb 2024 01:06:19
No team wants Dumba. He doesn’t make the avalanche.

23 Feb 2024 01:48:32
Pinball it doesn't. O'Connor has more points than Kampf and Jarnkrok. Byram has more god damn points than Kampf and the same amount as Jarnkrok and he's on the third pair for defense and the second powerplay unit. You know who he also has more points than. Dumba! Refer to the standings man and tell me why in the world they should look to get rid of Byram and O'Connor when they don't get better after the fact. If they want to add depth there will be cheaper options who won't cost them Byram in the process. Kampf is a cap dump at this point. I'm sure they'd love to add Jarnkrok as he falls into that depth category, but if we were to say "It's going to cost you Byram. " they would laugh at us and look else where.

Well aware like everyone else in the hockey world that Knies and Cooley had great chemistry in college, but why do you think that warrants the idea that they should give up the better player and their best player for that hope that it translates to the NHL level. Keller is apart of their future. He's had success stat wise with little supporting cast, on a team friendly deal, can play every forward position, is only 25.

So again I ask you, why do the Arizona Coyotes and the Colorado Avalanche do this deal?

23 Feb 2024 15:55:25
Its easier to say you want Keller in Toronto, which doesn't solve the Leafs biggest issues which is their defense and goaltending depth.

This also doesn't look like the year for Toronto to go all in for the cup, considering their lack of scoring depth and the lack of draft picks and already thin prospect pool. Throwing that 1st rounder away would put them 2 steps further back. They should either hold out and go with the team they've built already, or try and grab a RHD that's making under $2m, but even with that they'll get in trouble when stacked up against a team like Florida or NYR in the playoffs.

23 Feb 2024 17:38:09
Couldn't agree more DrwDave. If we can grab a RHD at a reasonable cap hit that isn't going to cost the farm then absolutely for it. But at this point I'd rather see them let it ride for the year and regroup in the offseason. With any luck we will get some depth scoring going like we had last night against Vegas and it carries through to the playoffs.

23 Feb 2024 19:00:12
That one is absolutely brutal for Colorado.

23 Feb 2024 23:21:05
PINBALL: every time you blame feedback on your trades on someone being “anti-leafs” it’s even more embarrassing than your trade proposals, especially this one that has NOTHING for COL.

Others have noted this is a crappy deal for COL. You are too biased to recognize they are right.

? Crying in Baseball
? No Whining About Yout Trade Feedback.

27 Feb 2024 10:36:39
COL trades Byram, O’Connor & Kero for Jarnkrok, Kampf & Dumba? nah wtf

29 Feb 2024 16:47:16
Right @NotACasual? What an absolute steal for them. ?.

21 Feb 2024 21:31:24
I have a proposal that I am sure will never happen but if it did.
Wow !

Arizona Trades
Keller
Schmaltz
1st Round Pick 2024

Toronto Trades
Marner
Bertuzzi
3rd Round Pick 2024 (NYI Pick)


Love to hear everyone's thoughts on this one, in my proposal the best player is Marner so no Leaf homer as I have been accused of in the past.

21 Feb 2024 22:33:37
This is just another one of your lopsided in Toronto's favour trades Pinball.

You expect that Arizona will be doing cartwheels to give up 2 of their best players with reasonable contracts and term of 2 and 4 years, plus a high first for one year of a good but highly overpaid winger.

As never in a million years would Marner ever, ever extend in Arizona, or agree to waive to go there in the first place.

It may not matter to you, but contract term and dollars absolutely matter to NHL teams. It's just another of your homer trades.

21 Feb 2024 22:39:10
I actually don't want to lose Bertuzzi. For the most part he's very active at breaking up plays and keeping plays alive when he doesn't have the puck. And offers some good hits. I think he will be past his slump come playoff time.

22 Feb 2024 01:34:02
memarcusjoe
See how that response shows Leaf hate, in my proposal I am offering the best player in the deal, I keep hearing quantity isn't quality well quality wise neither of Keller or Schmaltz are in the same class as Marner yet it's a homer trade?
Please don't shift gears when it's the other way, Leaf hate without a doubt with that response.
Plus I know it won't happen at all.

22 Feb 2024 01:48:14
Memarcus while I agree that Arizona declines and I may have misinterpreted what you said but to insist that Keller and Schmaltz are better then Marner and Marner would not be the Coyotes best player is a pretty ridiculous notion.

22 Feb 2024 01:51:41
Lol. Pinball. Just completely ignore contract duration.

That's just being completely ignorant on how the league actually operates.

22 Feb 2024 01:56:32
Brutal trade, and stop with the “leaf hate/ wah-wah-wah” routine every time you disagree with the feedback you receive on your Homer trades.

You had your day, and Memarcus gave his reply. He is right. Grow up, and maybe consider that based on the feedback you continually receive, maybe your trade ideas are one-sided and not particularly grounded.

“There’s no crying in baseball! ” - Tom Hanks

“You hate the leafs because you disagree with my trades! ” - Pinball

? Whining.

22 Feb 2024 03:12:17
Chickenfoot
memarcusjoe basically said Keller and Schmaltz are better than Marner which is completely ridiculous.
Saying Marner is a good but highly overpaid winger is complete bias, everyone is entitled to have an opinion but come on Marner is a top 5 RWinger in the NHL imo.

22 Feb 2024 03:18:38
Vbbb/ Pinball, where did I say Keller and Crouse were better than Marner, let alone insist that they were better?

I said you're asking Arizona to give up 2 of their best players and a high 1st for one year of Marner, since he'd never resign and a cap dump that they wouldn't want.

There's no logical reason for Arizona to do that as they will continue to struggle to be a bubble team, so one year of Marner is meaningless.

22 Feb 2024 15:55:32
PINBALL: Memarcus said that Keller + Crouse are better than Marner.

He'd rather have the duo of Keller & Crouse RATHER than Marner. Read for comprehension, and think before you post. Your proposals are embarrassingly bad, but your reactions to feedback are just plain embarrassing.

23 Feb 2024 16:08:48
So to prove to everyone you're note a Leafs homer like you've been accused of in the past, you've come up with:

Toronto gets:
4 more years of Clayton Keller
3 more years of Nick Schmaltz
and a top 5 1st overall draft pick in 2024

Arizona gets:
1 more year of Mitch Marner
2 more months of Tyler Bertuzzi
a 3rd round pick in 2024 (somewhere between the 55th-60th overall pick)

Did I get that right?

24 Feb 2024 04:33:22
? ? ?.

20 Feb 2024 13:17:12
Minnesota Trades
Fleury
Hartman
Bogosian

Toronto Trades
Samsonov
NRobertson
Holmberg
Liljegren
3rd Round Pick 2024 (NYI Pick)

Considering no retention of Salary and Fleury and Bogosian are upcoming UFAs a 3rd Rounder is fair in this proposal.

Players involved makes sense for both teams imo.


Thoughts ?

20 Feb 2024 18:13:20
- MIN is 2 points out of a wild card. why would they torpedo their playoff chances to generously help your team like this?

- Quantity doesn't equal quality.

- IF Fleury waives he will bring a better return than this yard sale. If he were to waive it would be to go somewhere to have a much better shot at winning than what's available with the leafs.

- Hartman is already re-signed when his contract runs out this summer for a very reasonable 4M x 3 years. That's a high-value fit for MIN & Hartman.

- In short, your trades focus on leaf needs, and lack any consideration of what the other team needs.

- The fact that Robertson & Liljegren appear so frequently in your trade offers show that you don't regard them very highly either, yet you continue to include them with your one-sided trade proposals. Neither is a meaningful piece.

- Samsonov is a cap dump. Cap dumps require compensation to take them on. Is he an NHL goalie next year? My guess is he's in the KHL.

20 Feb 2024 19:44:15
Chickenfoot
NRobertson and Liljegren are 2 reasonable NHL Players that a lot of teams would want on their team, Leafs are still in a win now mode is why they would be added in potential deals, What I proposed isn't really one-sided at all.
Bogosian on an expiring contract was earlier this season traded by TB to Minny for a 7th Round Pick, you don't think Liljegren is an upgrade?
NRobertson and Holmberg for Hartman is about right, which leaves Samsonov and a 3rd Rounder for Fleury which again is about right when it's Liljegren for Bogosian.
I guess I should have made it Matthews, WNylander, Rielly, Samsonov and a 3rd for Fleury, Hartman and Bogosian to make it fair in your eyes.

20 Feb 2024 22:11:23
Chickenfoot
Want to add Samsonov isn't a cap dump as he is 7-2 since he had his setback with a shutout and a very respectful Goals Against Avg.
Kampf and or Reaves are cap dumps not Samsonov.

21 Feb 2024 04:18:48
- how many times per week do you include Robertson and/ or Lilly in trade proposals? If you don’t want them then why would another team?

- Samsonov is a cap dump, and everyone knows the leafs need goaltending. Help won’t come cheap at the deadline.

- Pay attention to what kinds of returns happen at the deadline, and then compare them to your one-sided proposals throughout the year. The value you put on your players is not realistic, and that will be evident with whatever deals happen or don’t happen at the deadline.

21 Feb 2024 17:01:17
We need to hold onto the only right handed dman we do have. Lily isn't going to be a top dman ever, but he could be a decent top 4 if he continues to round out his game, but most likely going to be a very solid bottom pair dman. And that's okay as long as we don't overpay him.

Are we in win now mode? Sure. Is this the year to push all the chips to the center and try and win it all? Absolutely not. Our goaltending is still questionable (yes Samsonov has been playing decent hockey, but he has also looked very shakey at times too) .

Robertson has shown he's likely going to be a 3rd line player who can score some goals and that's about that. He's not going to be the piece that makes a big trade happen.

We shouldn't be in a rush to deal Holmberg as he's going to likely be a key bottom player for us since we won't be working with a tonne of money. He's got NHL experience and can play that 4th line role well.

As for the Minny players coming back. Hartman would be a great add for any team, but Minny gave him the extension for a reason so they likely aren't looking to unload him this year or next unless things go sideways. Fleury would be a good add as well, but again Minny is still in the playoff hunt. Do they get rid of a goalie who has playoff experience and still plays an overall good game? I doubt it. And finally Bogosian who yes a serviceable player as well, but is he what the Leafs need? I personally would rather us add a more mobile defenseman who plays a good all around defensive game in our end. Also don't think Bogosian really would want to come back to TO.

22 Feb 2024 16:01:03
Kudos to MG for his consistently realistic and pragmatic view of his team, the league, and the value of various assets.

No one hates the leafs Pinball, but your trades are almost as unrealistic as the leaf fan who posts under the Habs-themed name.

18 Feb 2024 16:17:16
Ottawa Trades
Tarasenko*
Chychrun
Hamonic

Toronto Trades
Jarnkrok
Brodie+
Timmons
Minton (WHL)
1st Round Pick 2024
3rd Round Pick 2024 (NYI Pick)


*Ottawa retains 50% of Tarasenko's expiring contract.

+Brodie has to waive his NTC.


Ottawa still rebuilding would get Picks, a prospect, a younger offensive Defenceman, a serviceable winger and Brodie is the Cap bridge needed for Toronto.

Toronto fixes both a top 6 at forward plus 2 Defencemen that would help huge for at least this season and next.



Thoughts ?

19 Feb 2024 05:13:49
Need to add Knies and more to that. No from Ottawa.

19 Feb 2024 05:51:05
This one is neither cap nor roster compliant, and has all the trappings of a Pinball homer deal that heavily favours the leafs and ignores what their proposed trade partner might want or need.

19 Feb 2024 06:04:48
That's really bad tarasenk is worth a 1st b prospect at 50.
Chcyrun is worth 1st top prosect 2nd.
Hamon8c is worth 3rd.


So you are way, way off.

28 Feb 2024 03:00:31
Lmfao go to bed lol.

18 Feb 2024 15:08:48
Calgary Trades
Hanifin

Toronto Trades
Brodie*
Minton (WHL)
1st Round Pick 2024
3rd Round Pick 2024 (NYI Pick)

*Brodie would have waive his NTC otherwise no deal obviously.


Hanifin is now officially on the trading block so I put a proposal together that Calgary might be interested in.

It's a no brainer why Toronto does it other than they are giving up future prospects in this type of trade.


Thoughts ?

19 Feb 2024 05:59:26
CGY will to much better than this for Hanifin.

10 Feb 2024 15:19:26
Trade
SJS Ferraro 25% retained and Rutta for Liljegrin and Timmins and 1st and 3rd (NYI)

Fire Keefe if possible hire Joe Quenville ( #2 playoff wins) if not #tucker for coach

Ideal Roster format in my opinion.
Bertuzzi Matthews Robertson
Jarnkrok Domi Marner
Knies Tavares Nylander
Mcmann Kampf Gregor

Reilly Rutta
Ferraro Brodie
McCabe Benoit

Scratches Giordano, Jones

Depth: Lagesson homberg

Samsonov
Woll


I think this spreads out the talent across three lines and are defensive responsible lines. ( only switch I might do is Nylander and Robertson) also think gives Tavares advantage as 3c over other competition and helps brodie as a 4.

Would probably add additional Depth/ grit
Such as Kastelic, Mccbain, Max Jones, Pezzetta, Bastian, *might be upgrade.

10 Feb 2024 18:44:43
“Joel” Quenville, and SJ declines.

11 Feb 2024 03:32:18
Chickenfoot why does SJS decline they are getting 1st for a defencemen who would normally get a 2nd and Liljegrin a young proven nhler, serviceable timmins. Rutta will not help them in the next 5 years. So 3 for him.

11 Feb 2024 14:58:41
Quantity doesn’t replace quality.

11 Feb 2024 18:10:24
If any team offers a 1st for Ferraro then San Jose jumps on that. Rutta cleared waivers 2x this season.

12 Feb 2024 12:48:53
BM4: I appreciate that you're a die-hard fan of your team, and that the explanation you requested wouldn't be of much use. You're a true believer. But simply put, this is a "homer deal". The eventual return for the player will dwarf what is offered here.

The reality is that there are more issues to fix in Toronto than there are tradable assets available. Does Treliving make trades for optics just to satisfy the fan base, knowing they're not able to contend? In my opinion it would be a waste of assets, and the leafs are already low on draft picks and prospects.

The real opportunity to address the leafs' areas of need was when they re-signed Nylander rather than trading him for what they needed. I'm not breaking any news when I say they have too many NTC contracts, and too many high salaries, without enough tradeable assets to do anything to help improve what is a flawed roster build.

Complicating the current sitation is the brain fart by Rielly, and his inevitable suspension. They're currently in a wild card, but with the Sergachev injury they had a chance to build a cushion against Tampa. They'll likely lose Rielly for 6-8 games, in what was an incredibly selfish play that will hurt his team in the stretch run.

12 Feb 2024 22:12:54
Joel Quenneville* ;)

13 Feb 2024 02:54:15
6-8 games? You’re kidding right? That wouldn’t even be a penalty in 2005.

13 Feb 2024 14:19:30
VB:

- the hearing is today, so we'll know if 6-8 games is accurate or not. (It's 5+ for an in-person hearing, so let's just say that I'm confident that I am right and you are wrong. again. )

- a cross-check to the head after a goal has ALWAYS been a penalty. at least. (Are you new to hockey? )

- head shots have always been a thing, even in 2005, such as the 6-game suspension Eric Boulton got for elbowing Paul Ranger in the head.

14 Feb 2024 20:44:07
Personally think it should’ve been 4 games. I think most people loved the whole play. But 2005 is irrelevant and Parros is impossible to guess. Gallagher should’ve gotten double what Reilly got IMO.

08 Feb 2024 17:08:41
Blockbuster

Islanders trade Julien Gauthier to Canucks, for Sheldon Dries.
Islanders get a depth centre, while Canucks get depth winger, with size, for the playoffs

09 Feb 2024 06:16:26
Looks good to me

02 Feb 2024 18:03:15
NYI Trade:

- Matt Martin
- 1st Round Pick ('26)


MTL Trade:

- Savard



- NYI only have 2 healthy RD, and Savard is playoff-tested, big, and still has plenty shot-blocking & timely scoring in him to help them this year and next.

- MTL gets a second 1st in each of the coming 3 seasons. I see them packaging some of their extra NHL-ready yound D along with some 1st rounders to get some high-end talent up front. (They have quantity, now it's time to target some quality high-end targets.)

- Martin has been a good soldier for Lou, but he's a throw-in on this deal to make the dollars work.

02 Feb 2024 22:26:29
No need for Martin, I dont mind this though at all.

02 Feb 2024 23:28:20
SOSA: as I mentioned above Martin is only a salary take back to facilitate the deal, as Rittich is above. (The return to the Habs is the picks. )

03 Feb 2024 22:14:58
I think you nailed Savard’s value in my opinion, a 1st is very reasonable.

02 Dec 2023 17:23:00
Toronto: Chris Tanev 50% retained

Calgary: Roni Hirovinen, NYI 3rd round pick and Calgarys 5th round pick ( leafs own it )

I believe Tanev will be a leaf by the deadline and I feel like the return will be similar to this. Most will say it's not enough but this is the typical going rate for comparable dman with the flat cap.

03 Dec 2023 02:24:39
I think you’re right honestly

04 Dec 2023 15:29:44
Hirovinen can’t even get the call on a beat up not so good Leaf’s d. No thx on him.

04 Dec 2023 17:14:12
Well he probably hasn’t got a call up on the leafs d because he’s a centre lol.

04 Dec 2023 17:23:20
@Nashan you know Hirovienen is a forward right? Based on the cap and what some other players was are fetching, I'd say this will pretty close. Could see potentially a higher pick (not a first) if there becomes a bidding war.

04 Dec 2023 19:20:19
Thx MG. Must have been looking at one of the Fin defencemen. my bad. Still wouldn’t want him lol.

04 Dec 2023 20:29:20
@Nasher probably thinking of Niemela or Kokkonen

04 Dec 2023 20:29:31
@Nashan* oops

30 Aug 2023 15:08:02
Islanders are a team that’s very weak on RW (Palmieri, Wahlstrom, Clutterbuck & Martin) and were 22nd in scoring.

To New York Islanders :
RW - William Nylander ( 6.96 @ 1 UFA )

To Toronto Maple Leafs :
RD - Noah Dobson ( 4.00 @ 2 RFA )
RW - Oliver Wahlstrom ( 874k @ 1 RFA )



T Bertuzzi - A Matthews - M Marner
M Domi - J Tavares - M Knies
N Robertson - C Jarnkrok - O Wahlstrom
S Lafferty - D Kampf - R Reaves

M Rielly - N Dobson
T Brodie - J Klingberg
M Giordano - J McCabe / T Liljegren


A Lee - M Barzal - W Nylander
B Nelson - B Horvat - K Palmieri
P Engvall - J Pageau - C Clutterbuck
R Johnston - C Cizikas - M Martin

A Pelech - R Pulock
A Romanov - S Mayfield
S Bolduc - S Aho / R Salo

30 Aug 2023 18:02:23
I can't see the Islanders giving up Dobson for 1 year of Nylander. A Dobson type is much harder to find than a Nylander type.

31 Aug 2023 04:11:12
That's fair, i should've said Nylander with an extension cause I assume they'd make sure he's resigned rather than acquiring him as a rental.

31 Aug 2023 12:35:10
no way the Islanders move Dobson.

31 Aug 2023 19:34:08
If they were getting a signed Nylander, they would trade Dobson.

31 Aug 2023 20:25:55
Dobson won’t be traded.

01 Sep 2023 13:17:10
- IF Nylander was re-signed, it makes some sense valued and needs-wise, even though I personally would rather have a horse like Dobson in my lineup. (What an incredible skater to see from ice-level. )

- It would take a great offer or situation to make most players forego their shot at unrestricted free agency. Most want to know what's out there for them to consider.

- NYI are a half million over the cap as-is, and this deal puts them at 2.5M over the cap, even before Nylander's raise next year.

- In a cap-strapped league with only 5 teams with 5M or more in Cap Space it's going to be challenging trading or signing big salaries, so I guess I think the ANA rumors are more likely.

24 Aug 2023 08:00:48
To Toronto Maple Leafs:
RD - Brett Pesce (4.02 @ 1 UFA)
RW - Seth Jarvis (894k @ 1 RFA)
2nd Round Pick in 2024 - CAR

To Carolina Hurricanes:
RW - William Nylander (6.96 @ 1 UFA)


To Toronto Maple Leafs:
RD - Jani Hakanpaa (1.50 @ 1 UFA)

To Dallas Stars:
3rd Round Pick in 2024 - NYI
RD - Conor Timmins (1.10 @ 1 RFA)
LW - Nicholas Robertson (796k @ 1 RFA)


To Toronto Maple Leafs:
LW/RW - Jordan Greenway (3.00 @ 2 UFA)

To Buffalo Sabres:
LD - Jake McCabe (2.00 @ 2 UFA)


Brett Pesce would be an incredible add for the Leafs defense, Jarvis has good potential and was solid in the playoffs.
Jani Hakanpaa registered 224 Hits (#4) last season and is exactly the type of defensemen that the Leafs need.
Leafs get bigger by adding Jordan Greenway.


Tyler Bertuzzi - Auston Matthews - Mitch Marner
Max Domi - John Tavares - Seth Jarvis
Matthew Knies - Calle Jarnkrok - Jordan Greenway
Sam Lafferty - David Kampf - Ryan Reaves

Morgan Rielly - Brett Pesce
TJ Brodie - John Klingberg
Mark Giordano - Jani Hakanpaa / Timothy Liljegren

Ilya Samsonov
Joseph Woll

24 Aug 2023 13:43:38
As a Leafs fan I wish all of this would happen. Unfortunately I don't believe any of it would.

24 Aug 2023 15:36:12
#4 in hits for defensemen is what I mean to say #15 overall

24 Aug 2023 19:34:39
Toronto would need to add more to Carolina and it would have to be a sign and trade even still. Could see Leafs adding Liljgren or Niemela and Jarnkrok.

30 Aug 2023 06:06:14
Jarvis might be too much, my opinion peces cap hit to nylander is not far off. Peces and a first because it'll be a late first most like. Others opinions?

16 Jul 2023 04:01:38
This is just a trade I thought of after seeing Matt Barzal and Ethan Bear at the Calgary Stampede lol.
Not too much thought put into it so don't eat me alive if you don't agree lmao.

To Calgary Flames :
C - Mathew Barzal (9.15 @ 8 UFA)
RW - Oliver Wahlstrom (RFA)

To New York Islanders :
C - Elias Lindholm (4.85 @ 1 UFA)
D - Noah Hanifin (4.95 @ 1 UFA)


Deal only goes through if Lindholm and Hanifin agree to resign long-term and have discussions before the season begins.


Mathew Barzal - 26yrs old
2022-23 | 14G 37A | 51Pts in 58GP

Oliver Wahlstrom - 23yrs old
2022-23 | 7G 9A | 16Pts in 35GP

Elias Lindholm - 28yrs old
2022-23 | 22G 42A | 64Pts in 80GP

Noah Hanifin - 26yrs old
2022-23 | 7G 31A | 38Pts in 81GP


The offer is a little low imo because of the Lindholm and Hanifin uncertainy.


A Lee - E Lindholm - K Palmieri
B Nelson - B Horvat - W Dufour
P Engvall - J Pageau - C Clutterbuck
M Martin - C Cizikas - K Kuhlman

A Pelech - R Pulock
N Hanifin - N Dobson
A Romanov - S Mayfield


J Huberdeau - M Barzal - M Coronato
J Pelletier - N Kadri - A Mangiapane
Y Sharangovich - M Backlund - O Wahlstrom
D Dube - B Coleman - W Duehr

M Weegar - R Andersson
O Kylington - C Tanev
N Zadorov - J Oesterle

16 Jul 2023 15:10:05
You don’t trade a player who just committed to 8 years to your team.

Especially not for 2 UFAs.

17 Jul 2023 01:10:37
What is the benefit for the Islanders to get older. they just traded for Horvat. this would be a hard no.

17 Jul 2023 13:37:37
I have to agree with VB: unless it's set up as a "sign and trade", which are rare in the NHL, no team would do the ultimate bad-faith move and trade someone they just signed long-term.

The Bee's comments are bang-on too.

18 Jul 2023 13:57:31
Yeah I agree with all of you as well, I just wanted to throw a random trade up.

 
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