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07 Dec 2018 17:30:16
La. Quick and Martinez carter

St.louis. Allen, kyrou, parayko

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07 Dec 2018 17:47:54
So an Injury prone goalie, A 4-5 dman and really old 2-3c.
for
Allen, (playing a lot better) Our best prospect and our current best defenseman.

Thats a huge no thanks.

07 Dec 2018 18:06:24
LA has a lot of areas to address, mainly speed, I just don’t think a topnpair RHD is where they should invest their assets since Doughty is there for 8 years at $11mill. Also don’t know why blues make this deal. Quick was incredible but constantly injured now. He playbsuch an aggressive style that I think his knees, hips and groin are now paying the price for it. Carter’s a nice add but as a whole package blues say no.

07 Dec 2018 18:10:37
Lol colt gimme a break, carters a 2C. Martinez is a 3d and quick is a starter easily . Stop treating every non blues player like crap.

07 Dec 2018 18:38:54
Topshelfers

Carter is old slow and 2-3c, Quick is a great goalie but he is injured all the freaking time. I should know he has been my fantasy goalie for the last 4 years. Martinez is a 3 d fine what ever.

You have Quick and Older often injured goalie a 2-3 old c with a long contract and a 3-4 dman. (see i compromised)

For allen ( who has played better) and the best two pieces in the trade Thomas, a young potential 1c who has been amazing for a 19 yearold and parayko a top pairing rhgd dman with all the tools. FYO he played 28 mins wednight looked good


I am not beeing biased. Your still behurt about the leafs posts. Everyone here on the boards knows blues don't make this trade if quick was 4 years younger and less injured i would jump at it but that's not the case now is it.

07 Dec 2018 18:58:41
Redwing, is kyrou your best prospect or Thomas? Because you have said both are in this thread. And Thomas isn’t in the proposal.

07 Dec 2018 19:09:22
its kyrou in the trade, whos worse than thomas.

quick >> allen, even if he is injured, he brings more satbility when he's in the crease than allen ever would.

parayko >>> martinez. Agree with you, parayko is head over heels better. But to call martinez a 4/ 5 d isn't the right thing at all.

carter >> kyrou. carter is a proven asset, 60 point guy when healthy, any team in need of centre dOminance could use that. Maybe kyrou can be better but is a risk.

07 Dec 2018 20:34:29
The Blues don't make that deal. If they are giving up Parayko its for young players or prospects. Kills me to say this but Colt is right here that the Blues say no. But Colt will still be upset at any return they get should they deal him.

07 Dec 2018 20:34:15
Lol, nope! Blues decline.
If blues are going to rebuild, they need those young pieces to make it happen.

07 Dec 2018 23:31:29
Thomas has playe d over 24 games I don't consider him a prospect. Kyrou is up and down he is our best prospect now.

07 Dec 2018 11:43:23
Mtl: Mete, Petry (retain 750k)

Edm: Klefbom, 4rd 2019


Petry at under 5 million for 3 years is valuable imo. Plus Mete who has potential to be better then Klefbom does Edm accept?

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07 Dec 2018 17:11:27
Both Klefbomamd Petry are playing very good hockey this year. Both ranked top 50 according to NHL. Klefbom is ranked higher and is younger and is cheaper, so if Mete wasn’t thrown in here, I would say Edmonton rejects this offer. The inclusion of Mete and retention on Petry’s salary changes the whole perspective of this trade though. Imo, I don’t think there is a “winner” per se with this trade. It’s a very neutral trade. About as lateral a move as they get. Well done BoomBoom. Maybe one of the Habs or Edmonton fans can give you a better evaluation. I’m a fence sitter on this one.

07 Dec 2018 20:37:21
I think Mete has too much value at this time considering the Habs should be looking to do a rebuild and he is a good future piece.

08 Dec 2018 02:46:14
Habs can't do a rebuild with Weber and Price.

08 Dec 2018 04:49:39
Why not yupp? They are both signed long term. they are already half way through a rebuild IMO. They have a handful of real good prospects that should all be arriving over the next couple years. ( poehling, brook, suzuki etc) and now have what appears to be a legitimate 1st line center ( domi) and another potential 1st line center ( kotkaniemi) other young players such as drouin juulsen lehkonen daneault are finding their stride and the rest of the team going forward are all still in there prime years gallahger tatar shaw armia byron petry they will be ok. Plus they have lots of cap space and future draft picks.

06 Dec 2018 23:07:46
Vancouver:
LW - Loui Eriksson $6.00
RW/C - Sam Gagner $3.15
G - Anders Nilsson $2.50


Ottawa:
RW - Bobby Ryan $7.25
G - Mike Condon $2.40
LW - Nick Paul $0.650

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07 Dec 2018 02:23:51
Why tho.

07 Dec 2018 05:16:54
Loui Eriksson isn’t working out in Vancouver and likewise for Bobby Ryan in Ottawa. Loui eriksson has a back diving contract, Ryan doesn’t so I could see Ottawa taking a chance on Eriksson. Even if he doesn’t work out he will be half the salary than Bobby Ryan. Benning is looking to move Gagner out, When Gagner gets sent to the AHL he is loaned to Toronto marlies to be closer to his family. So either playing in Ottawa or Belleville it is much closer than Vancouver.

07 Dec 2018 17:21:09
Didn't know le was still playing.

08 Dec 2018 13:08:39
1st off 6 million isn't half of 7.25 million lol

2nd Ryan has done more for Ottawa that Erickson has done for Vancouver, and Ryan has been off and on for years while Erikson hasn't looked good since his 1st year or 2 in Boston, I think I speak for most sens fans when I say I'd rather keep Ryan than take on more salary like in this deal when the players involved aren't worth mentioning, why take on an extra 2 million in unwanted salary? All that does is make it tougher to move more players.

06 Dec 2018 19:00:54
at deadline:


mtl- petry-alzner-hudon-benn-3rd pick

phoenix-goligoski-hjalmarsson

mtl need LHD phoenix need a RHD

coyotes D

OEL-petry
chychrun-demers
alzner-oesterle-connaughton
habs

goligosky-weber
hjalmarsson-juulsen
reilly-schlemko-ouellet

only problem is to make petry waive is no trade clause....

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06 Dec 2018 19:36:47
No the biggest problem is convincing Arizona to agree to this.

06 Dec 2018 17:42:35
habs: hudon, lingrend,3rd 2019

canes: jake bean, 5th2019.

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07 Dec 2018 03:53:01
Easy no from Carolina.

06 Dec 2018 16:30:13
Toronto Maple Leafs:

•) William Nylander

•) 4th Round Pick 2020


Carolina Hurricanes:

•) Jaccob Slavin.

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06 Dec 2018 17:40:31
It would need to be Nylander and Liljegren or Sandin to get you into the game. Top pairing defenseman aren't cheap.

06 Dec 2018 17:40:52
They won’t teade Nylander yet and also Carolina won’t want to have to pay him all this up front money he’s owed.

06 Dec 2018 14:58:09
Parayko Kostin

for

Nylander Liljgren! st 2029

Or parayko, Blais 3rd
for
Kappy, Sandin, Liljgren 1st.

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06 Dec 2018 15:13:07
By 2029 we should be rebuilding again and my nephew will be draft eligible. Kid can really play! So I’ll say no from leafs.

06 Dec 2018 19:49:25
Parayko for kapanen, borgman, sandin and a 1st. No way does t. o. trade there 2 best d prospects.

06 Dec 2018 21:06:58
No way does blues trade their current best defenseman for Kappennan unless you over pay with d propsects. Its an esay answeer.

07 Dec 2018 00:22:53
Love how you speak so matter of factly Colt. Almost like you feel your part of any actual negotiations. No team gives up there 2 best dmen prospects in a single trade.

07 Dec 2018 04:48:07
And teams don't give up their best dmen for crap. If a trade doesn't meet teams needs then it's worth making the trade.

07 Dec 2018 10:54:35
Problem is, None of Kapanen, Sandin and a 1st are crap. They all carry a lot of value. Borgman, while nor being great can turn into a useful player. And your best dman is not Parayko, its Pietrangelo. Watched them both play for years, pietro is better than him. You overate Parayko. He is good, carries a lot of minutes but he is a 35 point dman 4 years running who is known for periodic defensive lapses. He is a real good top 4 dman.

07 Dec 2018 15:27:46
Do you know how to read. Current best Dman. Petro is injured be out for a month. Yes kap 40 50 pt guy, sandin,50/ 50 males it to mil, and liljgren top 4 potential. They are ok parts but you want a top pairing rhd Dman capable of pricing 35 40 pts and playing big minutes. For a bunch of smaller pieces. Hi about you do this

Mathews
For
Parayko, Thomas, 2ndrnd pick


I am not making that prop but showing you that a bunch of little pieces (in comparison of the player wanted) does not equal the player.

Quantity doesn't equal quality.

At this point blues are not trading parayko. Since nylander + isn't on the table then neither would parayko. Find a different Dman to go after with lesser pieces.

07 Dec 2018 17:16:07
I don't care what your comparasion is, you don't compare Parayko to Matthews. you're so biased its funny man. Get your head out of your a** come on, the BLues are playing like absolute horsesh**, don't start getting weezy and asking for Marner + Likjegren + god + gretzky + lemieux + babcock + seventeen firsts for Parayko. You had this crazed obsession with Parayko way before, don't being this up again.

07 Dec 2018 17:37:04
It was a funny trade proposal. but the funniest thing is a leaf fan calling someone else bias!

07 Dec 2018 17:52:23
What do you mean i didn't comare mathews to parayko. I compared the idea of smaller lesser pieces for a superior player. SO its ok to go after a teams (current) best top pairing dman you want and offer several lesser peices to add up to a whole. But If someone asks for Mathews and offers several Lesser Pieces to make a whole then its bullsheet and completely bias of that person.

Get The F*** outta here with that sheet. You sir are a hypocrite.

07 Dec 2018 17:57:28
I didn't ask for anything. I don't want to trade parayko. The blues defense with petro hurt can't handle it. Even with petro we can not replace him.

Its Hilarious how much you over react because you can't get parayko for crap. I laid it out there for you.

Marner>Parayko>>Nylander>> Kapp

you don't want to part Marner, Nylander then you will be paying a premium in top prospects to get him. In fair value and team needs here are the trades that are possible.

Parayko, Blais 3rd
for
Kapp, Lijgren, Sandin

Parayko Kostin Schmaltz/ Peronuvich
for
Kapp Liljgren Sandin! st

Parayko, Blais 3rd

Nylander Liljgren

If you don't like it then move on to another player. The blues do not and will not trade you parayko unless it benifits them now or in the near future.

07 Dec 2018 18:48:20
Again speaking as if you were the GM. And funnt how you stress current dman. As far as i know piwtrangelo, though injured is still property of the blues. If a Parayko trade does happen I think you will be a little down due the return you would get.

06 Dec 2018 14:15:31
Blues Trade
Parayko
6th Round Pick 2019

Leafs Trade
Zaitsev
Engvall (AHL)
Sandin (AHL)
4th Round Pick 2019 (Blues Pick)
1st Round Pick 2020

Blues 4th Rounder was Traded to the Leafs for Soshnikov last Season.

Parayko is exactly what the Leafs are looking for and this type of package if it's true St.Louis is shopping him they would be looking at, it's not just quantity but also quality what the Leafs would offer in this Trade Proposal.

Thoughts?

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06 Dec 2018 14:56:38
Once again he is not being traded for that pile of poo.

06 Dec 2018 14:58:57
The only real quality i see is Sandin. the first is going to be a late first and not even in this deep draft year, but next year. And Zaitsev isn't worth the contract he is signed to. I think the blues can do better than this.

06 Dec 2018 15:53:56
Ok #Thunder Turkey let's change the 4th Round Pick to this year's 1st Round Pick but I am also changing Sandin for Borgman so it would now be.

Blues Trade
Parayko
6th Round Pick 2019

Leafs Trade
Zaitsev
Engvall (AHL)
Borgman (AHL)
1st Round Pick 2019
1st Round Pick 2020

Is that enough now?

06 Dec 2018 16:43:56
And this helps St. Louis how? Like you expect them to trade their young top pairing defenseman for your overpaid bottom pairing defenseman and some late firsts?

06 Dec 2018 17:04:11
Leafs gm please be a homer and try to justify this trade. I will be waiting your response.

06 Dec 2018 17:06:39
Typical Pinball trade. One decent Leaf and some Leaf garbage for a quality player from anther team. All based on his NHL19 trades I'm sure, because they are never close to being realistic.

06 Dec 2018 18:59:55
@redwing

It’s simple. Pinball posted a proposal because he enjoys researching the players and teams and wanted to give the members of this site something to discuss. That’s at least four more proposals in the last 24 hours he’s floated than you have in over six months.

As for the trade, I imagine Pinball had a couple precedents like the Hamilton, McDonagh, and Hamonic trades in mind. All very similar players with a similar return to what Pinball is offering here.

So how do you justify being a troll never floating any proposals to try and help the administrator out and keep the site active?

06 Dec 2018 21:10:20
What does posting 5-10 stupid ops in one day have to do with me. I am sorry i don't just make rubbish up and throw it on wall. These proposals are aweful and always favor the leafs.


I can just start creating horrible proposals all day long does that mean i love doing research too LOL. You my friend are a joke. if you weren't others would step up and defend you.

Lets end with this.

Blues are not good trade partners with TO. BEcause TO only (apparently) wants to trade scraps for studs. SO enjoys your homerism It looks good on you brah.

07 Dec 2018 00:50:44
See RedWing, actually you are the joke. I don’t need to go online and cut people up and call them names. It makes you feel good about yourself by trying to make other people feel bad. But you’re too chicken to post a serious proposal of your own because you are afraid of the inevitable criticism that would be coming your way. And judging from the comments I’ve read others make towards you already, you know this as well. Pinball isn’t afraid to post something daily despite knowing that children such as yourself will be looking to put him down. Not because his proposals are bad, but because it’s easy. Anyone can have a list of names and put downs handy and spout them off any time. See, the difference between you and me is that even though I don’t necessarily agree with every post I read on here, I still try to find something positive to say. Every trade has its positives and its negatives. It’s a sign of maturity when you can emphasize with others. Immature childish people look for reasons to cut people down. Let’s face it, calling NHL players pieces of poo just shows the level you will stoop to feel better about yourself. These guys are the best in the world. Even the worst NHL player deserves better than to be referred to as a piece of poo. But you are incapable of realizing that. Obviously a highly self conscious individual, it’s pretty apparent that you have low self esteem. I actually feel sad for you. But you’re right. Let’s end this. It’s very childish. Maybe
Once you start posting proposals of your own I can take you seriously again. I actually wouldn’t be jumping down your throat. I would treat you the same way I treat Pinball. With respect, looking for the merits of your proposal. Because I encourage you, and everyone else, to post. That’s what this forum is about. To discuss rumors and trades, and all things related to hockey.

07 Dec 2018 04:48:57
You shouldn't take me serious it cause I sure don't take your homerism seriously.

07 Dec 2018 10:57:36
Says one of the biggest homers.

07 Dec 2018 11:46:07
I just post proposals for the fun of it everyone.
Yes some are out there but at the sametime you never know what NHL GMs are thinking, maybe Parayko isn't fitting in, maybe the Blues really want to rebuild and Trading an asset like Parayko helps, by the way Parayko was a later Pick like many NHL Stars now and in the past so if anyone thinks a later Pick is garbage think again.
Plus I do remember THall for Larsson and RCourtnall for Kordic to name just 2 Trades that favoured 1 Team.

07 Dec 2018 16:37:53
Yes Taylor hall for larson, that would be the comparable to Mathews/ Marner for Parayko. Not 3-4 pieces for a guy who is top pairing and currently playing 28 mins a night. I get it that you are just trying to throw trades out there and you take a pounding from other fans. When I respond don't take it to heart. My intention is not to belittle you. I will Say that when i see trades that are really bad for blues I will say so. My biggest issue is Leafs GM think that these are legit and on top of that thinks that leafs poo and lesser pieces are worth other teams best players. Pony up value or value or don't make and offer. that's all.

06 Dec 2018 02:42:32
Leafs trade Zaitsev, Brown, 3rd
NYR trade Shattenkirk (retain $2M), Strome

Basically we are sitting the difference in salary. NY saves just over $1.15M and Leafs add about the same. All the benefits about Pinball’s trade still apply. Leafs give NY an upgrade on wing and the pick because they are taking on Zaitsev, whose contract is a lot longer than Shattenkirk’s.

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06 Dec 2018 05:15:39
is brown really an upgrade? i like brown but idk why the rangers would do this, they're trying to rebuild and they'll be better by that time, doesn't make sense.

06 Dec 2018 05:46:42
Honestly, I wouldn’t do it. Call it homerism if you want. The difference between shattenkirk and zaitsev is real, but not very big. Then consider that shattenkirk is not defensive and I would say zaitsev is better for what we need, younger and signed cheaper. Shattenkirk, after leaving St. Louis, was exposed as what he is. A pp guy who is closer to a 6th Dman than a top pair at even strength. Even when Barry Trotz was asked about caps not resigning him after having him for the playoff run he said something along the lines of “I was under the impression we were adding a top pair Dman, that wasn’t the case”. I’m very satisfied having zaitsev at $4.5 mill to be a good solid #4 Dman. Now fill in around him dermott and Rielly. Don’t make lateral moves to bring in an older more expensive guy we don’t need.


Leaf fans are prepared to let Jake Gardiner walk after the season because he’s an offense first guy who takes risks and makes mistakes and they don’t want to pay him the $6.5Mill+ that he will command. So why give assets to get shattenkirk who makes $6.65 and does that same thing from the other side?!

06 Dec 2018 13:23:49
I don’t want anything to do with Shattenkirk. He’s not the d man the leafs need. Brown could be packaged with a 1st and a prospect to get a defense first d man.

06 Dec 2018 14:04:27
The only reason for making this trade would be to get out of Zaitsev’s contract earlier. I split the cost by having Rangers retain salary, so Shattenkirk and Zaitsev cost the same in this proposal. Is Shattenkirk better than Zaitsev? Questionable. But we get out from under Zaitsev’s contract in half the time if you are unsatisfied with him, while bringing in an equally qualified replacement. Shattenkirk plays 2RHD on Leafs. I feel more comfortable having him for call up to 1st line than Zaitsev if Hainsey gets hurt. A rebuilding Rangers team get a good young player in Brown, stability in the back end with Zaitsev’s contract, and a pick to help them rebuild. If Strome isn’t the guy they want to send our way, we can take someone else. I just threw Strome in to match salaries easier.

It’s a fairly neutral trade. The only reason for making this trade is to get out from under Zaitsev’s contract a little earlier. It’s not one I would entertain seriously normally, but felt there was some merit to Pinball’s proposal. He makes some very good points, and I took it upon myself to see if there was a way that a Zaitsev/ Shattenkirk trade could make sense. I enjoy floating proposals like this. It’s fun for one thing, and you learn a lot more about the players and teams in the process.

06 Dec 2018 21:01:05
I don’t really care about getting out of zaitsevs deal early. He’s a very capable player. Great skater, struggled last year with injuries and other personal things and looks a lot better this year. $4.5 mill is fine for a second pair guy and it’s going to be even more reasonable as top tier guys get $10+, these guys will be $6 mill guys soon enough.

06 Dec 2018 21:11:05
there is no reason to make this trade unless TOR is admitting That Zaitsev is a really bad defender.

05 Dec 2018 20:39:52
Rangers Trade
Shattenkirk

Leafs Trade
Zaitsev
Timashov (AHL)
4th Round Pick 2019

New York gets a little bit of Cap relief with this Trade plus add a Prospect and Pick for the future.
Toronto gets a Top 4 Defenceman that helps the second power play unit and more mobility on the backend which helps an offensive Team like the Leafs.

Thoughts ?

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05 Dec 2018 21:07:05
yeah this is dumb. Leafs are trying to lose money from cap not add it. I am sure Leafs GM will 100% like this trade. Oh wait its bad for the leafs so he will not like it LOL.

05 Dec 2018 21:10:01
I think you should start looking for defensive minded players. The leafs don’t need help on the PP or to take on an extra $2 million or whatever it is.

05 Dec 2018 23:15:07
I feel bad for Shattenkirk. Much like Zaitsev, injury has set him back. He finished 14th in Norris voting three years straight, signed that fat contract, got hurt, and now NY can’t even give him away. It’s debateable who is the better defenseman here. What is undeniable though is that Leafs can’t afford Shattenkirk.

05 Dec 2018 23:21:39
Leafs gm is this a positive trade prop. Pinball explained it. Should becreally good for leafs.

06 Dec 2018 00:57:37
Even I can’t spin this into a good proposal.

06 Dec 2018 01:04:48
At least pinball has the balls to post something every day. Usually more often than that even. He gets discussion going and gives you something to talk about redwing. Maybe after you grow a pair and start posting your own proposals I can take you more seriously.

06 Dec 2018 02:32:58
Wow did you just try to call me out lol. Your kinda a joke.

06 Dec 2018 04:58:30
@ colt, you kinda called him out first lol.

06 Dec 2018 21:13:08
Apparently i need balls to post something every day. wouldn't it be hysterical if Leafs GM and Pinball were the same person. Its kinda of funny how he stands up for one of the most ridiculous posters here.

 


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