18 Mar 2015 16:47:39
If leafs win the mclottery
Sign
Rfa Dougie hamilton 8 years, 56 million
Ufa Steve downie 2 years, 3 million
Panthers
Phil kessel
Roman polak
Leafs
eric gudbranson
Jonathan huberdeau
Quinton howden
Avs
Tyler bozak
Jake gardiner
Richard panik
Leafs
Ryan orielly
3rd rd pick 2015
Blue jackets
James van Riemsdyk
Leafs
Boone Jenner
2nd or 3rd rd pick 2016
Bernier reimer
Phaneuf Hamilton
Reilly gudbranson
Percy robidas
Erixon
Huberdeau orielly kadri
Nylander mcdavid lupul
Komarov Jenner leivo
Howden holland downie
C.brown carrick
18 Mar 2015 17:10:18
Is the value fair? What needs to be added?
Is it worth the risk(1st, 2nd, 3rd rd picks) to sign Dougie?
18 Mar 2015 18:31:04
All those trades are bad for the team that isn't toronto. Very one sided. and ask yourself this Why would they want those players over what they are giving up??
The RFA offer sheet - I posted for the Oilers last week, so you put Toronto on it and now its original?? Weak.
18 Mar 2015 18:53:58
I really don't think so, it's just my personal opinion but I think Dougie Hamilton did not play as advertised and is a bust. I heard a rumor a bit while ago that the Leafs might try to take advantage against the Kings cap situation and could offer sheet either one of Tanner Pearson or Tyler Toffoli.
18 Mar 2015 19:37:44
Don't know what to think about the offer sheet. Florida says no. A little tweak to the Avs trade
O'reilly
2016 2nd
Bozak, Gardiner, 2016 1st
Jackets trade is fair. If the leafs really wanna change the team they'll do it.
19 Mar 2015 01:54:28
@oilers_11
the leafs wouldn't trade their 2016 1st rd pick + for O'Reilly. Toronto is going to be horrible next year if they rebuild and will likely get one of the best prospects out of that draft. That means they most likely get a solid young player on a cheap entry level deal. If they traded that yes they would get O'Reilly who is young but he is going to ask for way more money then he is worth which would lead toronto right back to where they are right now with a bad team with cap problems.
19 Mar 2015 09:54:26
Give your head a shake.
19 Mar 2015 10:17:03
Dougie.hamilton is not worth that
19 Mar 2015 11:58:36
Lmao@mbell it wasn't your idea originally anyway and I posted a Dougie Hamilton signing with a different team, different salary and different term.
your reaction to my post was weak and lame IMO.
@oilers 11 one more tweak so the leafs don't have to surrender their 1st rd pick the next two years.
Avs:
Orielly
3rd 2016
Leafs:
Bozak
Gardiner
2nd 2016
Thanks @paolazza and @returnofreal for you're opinions.Agree to disagree on that one.
Obviously this would be a young team that gets better with experience but I like the core and I think this team could surprise people and make the playoffs next year.
19 Mar 2015 17:20:38
why would you trade jvr. you should 100% get rid of lupul first, you could get the exact same return for lupul. for jvr you'd get a lot more tbh.but that just my opinion. this would be a very young team that let's in a load of goals but couldn't stop a puck for their lives, I think theyd be bottom 5 again though. and i'd play mcdavid on the first line xD
19 Mar 2015 17:49:31
^^^scores a load of goals*
19 Mar 2015 18:21:27
Hey @Leafhate_fo_losers; really had a good laugh at your post - trying to school me and you have no concept of the NHL rules.
Toronto could not offer an 8 year contract - the max would be 7 years. Original idea - but come on put a little thought into it.
I've been posting the RFA sheet to Hamilton for 3 months - not sure if I was the first - but definately ahead of you.
And one other thing - not that he would come to Edmonton, but can you explain to me why he would want to go to a team that's just beginning a longterm rebuild??
Is there a bigger dumpster fire in the NHL than Toronto?
19 Mar 2015 19:30:44
umm @mbell.the max contract is 8 years man not 7, your so butthurt talking about how u did it first. it doesn't matter, he posted it and he thought about it, he may of seen your post maybe not who cares. also is there a bigger dumpster of an nhl team?? seriously man? come on stop hating that's ridiculous the team is obviously not run properly. but its the richest and most popular hockey team in the world so they've got to be doing somethin right no?
19 Mar 2015 21:00:50
BIG Z - its 7 years max contract length.
It’s only 8 years if you are signing your own player.
And my point is the player has to agree to the offer sheet - why would he do so with the chaos currently happening in Toronto?
The players that are there don’t want to be there so how does he think a player with other options will do so? Anyone can post garbage – that’s their right, just don’t complain when someone calls them on it…
And I wonder - is the $$ in Toronto simply a reflection of population? I mean you have to look at what it could be with decent management - I guess we may be about to find out. finally.
19 Mar 2015 23:56:51
@mbell I think your a typical oilers fan and that says it all.
20 Mar 2015 00:01:22
Why would he sign in toronto the grass is so much greener in Edmonton haha
When I post a Dougie rfa signing it's gold but when you do it it's garbage.
Your edmontonsfinest right
20 Mar 2015 04:04:15
meh, population certainly helps. so does all the corporatiosn located in toronto, so does the leafs' history, so does the fact that so many people in the city play the game. put it all together and you have a perfect storm for an extremely rich franchise haha.
also, do so few people actually knwo the rules of contracts in the nhl? I swear every post involving contracts breaks at least 1 rule (too long, giving up picks through compensation that are not the team's own, retaining salary on only certain years, which is the one I find funniest, etc.) pretty funny really.
20 Mar 2015 09:39:20
@shankar I can't speak for everyone but maybe some people have better things to do then study the cba.
your the same guy that posted the leafs should retain salary on bozak and phaneuf(both long term contracts) in one trade.
^terrible idea because you probably didn't know teams can only retain salary on 3 players in a year and this severely limits a team in a rebuild.
I bet if you posted a trade you would make a mistake too.
Gretzky said "you miss every shot you don't take"
20 Mar 2015 13:08:24
Actually Leafhate. retaining on a contract lime Phaneuf is a great idea. They're rebuilding so they won't be trying to spend to the cap anyway. Your not going to get top assets for Phaneuf at his current salary. keep some money and you will get much better assets. Phaneuf paid like a 3-4 d man has value. Moves like that and bringing in big contracts for picks and and prospects are what rebuilding teams do to take advantage of the cap space they have by the nature of rebuilding. If that's severely limiting your rebuild your doing it wrong
20 Mar 2015 13:24:23
I think shanka is right about his perfect storm for an extremely rich franchise comment.he covered all the bases.
And mbell I think your correct that the leafs have had bad management until recently and now we're seeing the long needed rebuild. Between that and making clarkson go "poof" and disappear I think the fans have a reason to be excited about the leafs despite the poor play this season of so many key players and the rough years ahead.
A Siberian oilers fan saying why would a player sign with the leafs when he can come to Edmonton is a joke.
Hollywood would like to make a movie about the oilers rebuild process but they've hit a snag,
The title "the never ending story" is taken ha ha
20 Mar 2015 13:57:42
bozak I said could be done if had to. phaneuf would be a good idea imo because it raises his value (its obvious phaneuf @ 5-5.5 mil > him @ 7 mil) and TOR won't be near the cap for the nex few years as the rebuild occurs. also, yes I know you can only retain salary on 3 players, but whom have the leafs retained salary on? gunnarson: contract up after next year. winnik: contract up in 10 or so games. I believe those are the only 2 on atm, so they'll both be gone by the end of next year.
finally, I don't study the cba, but these seem to be just so common. like how much publicity did the retaining salary and contract leght things get once the new cba was agreed to.
20 Mar 2015 14:01:21
and yeah I guess I could come and post some things, but what's the point? none of us here know anything on how teams are operating. do I have ideas? sure. do they mena anything? not at all. so really its just me pulling names out of my a**, as is every other post here. I just come arond to see what kind ofstupidity people can conjure up.
20 Mar 2015 15:18:06
Actually jbs I would be ok with retaining some of phaneuf's salary in fact I think we should retain 50% so we can get a big return for him.
my point is that if you retain salary on phaneuf and bozak you can only retain salary on one more player which could limit what toronto can do going forward.especially at the trade deadline next year.
Also bozak has value with his current contract so wouldn't it make more sense to retain salary on Joffrey lupul instead.
The point your missing shanka is that you can't be wrong if you don't give an answer.
The people that post on this site learn from their mistakes with or without being "trolled"
20 Mar 2015 23:51:42
bozak does have value on his current deal, that's why I said only if absolutely necessary. that necessity would likely only arise in the extremly unlikely situation of phaneuf and him being traded together to the same team imo.
even if that does happen, add lupul as the 3rd retainee and that's the only 3 on the current roaster that could be traded and may need to retain some salary, as I don't believe they'll rretain anyhting on kessel if they trade him.
I wouldn't really call it learning, bu I do see your point in that they see other opinions that can help change their's to soemthing closer to what is true. with that said though, the amount of bias I see on here (myself included at times lol) makes it hard to believe that the posters do really learn all that much.
21 Mar 2015 12:49:42
The way I figure
You're wrong, I'm wrong we're all wrong but if we all give our answers.the correct answer is somewhere in the middle.
The amount of bias on here is crazy and some people will never learn, I try to ignore them.
I think the leafs will probably sign a few UFAs to short term deals and trade them at deadline for picks/prospects and that's easier to do if you can retain salary on rentals so other teams can fit them under the cap.
Every post of mine has gotten a lot of comments, some good, some bad.
I appreciate the feedback, keep it up
21 Mar 2015 16:10:13
Panthers
Phil kessel
Roman polak
Leafs
eric gudbranson
Jonathan huberdeau
Quinton howden
Why would Florida trade three young-ish players for Kessel? The guy has 7 even strength points in 2015 (so much for elite offensive talent) and has the worst plus/minus in the league. I know plus/minus is a questionable stat at times, but since Kessel's linemates are also in the bottom five, the statistic is much more relevant. What good is 30 goals, which Kessel is clearly not producing right now, if he is on the ice for 65 goals from the opponent?
Another classic Leafs fan overvaluing cancer Kessel.
21 Mar 2015 18:38:44
Easy e I disagree with you kessel is an elite goal scorer.
If he fails to hit 30 goals(24 currently I believe)this year it will the first time since 2008(excluding lockout shortened season)
Only a few guys can do that and that makes him elite
(even a child can understand this so what's your problem)
Pretty consistent too I'd say.
"Why would Florida trade 3 young peices for kessel"
Really dumb question considering roman polak is in the trade too and arguably has more value than quinton howden.
Is gudbranson enough for kessel straight up, nope
What about huberdeau heck no IMO so make yourself useful and tell me how much you think the leafs have to add. Grow up stop trolling people
21 Mar 2015 19:25:05
If Kessel is an elite goal scorer, how many goals does he have in 2015? How do you explain his league worst plus minus?
I agree with you, Kessel has been consistent recently - consistently terrible and lazy. How many points does he have since mid-December? And you think the number of goals he scored in 2009 and 2010 are worth more than his most recent season and 30 or so games? Kessel in 2010 may have that trade value but not March 2015 Kessel. Wake up.
How does Kessel's albatross contract affect his trade value?
Considering that the Leafs are in the midst of their worst season in recent memory and one of his own teammates said they are a junior team playing against NHL team, do you honestly expect a decent return for Kessel? Apparently so I guess.
And Roman Polak is involved? Hold the phone, we have a monster deal in the works! Roman Polak! You fat, lazy Kessel is the centrepiece so I addressed him.
"Only a few guys can do that and that makes him elite"
Actually, Kessel can't do that anymore. When you watch a Leafs game and see Kessel, can you honestly say that you are watching an elite player? Really? Please let me know when I can tune into a leafs game and see Kessel play at an elite level.
You are the quintessential delusional Leafs fan thinking that goals scored 4 seasons ago are the primary determinant of trade value. Keep your garbage Kessel if he is so good. Look at Kessel's recent play and character. The guy is a joke.
22 Mar 2015 10:31:21
Lmao easy e when kessel starts trolling people online I'll worry about his character.
I disagree with you I think kessel can be a 30 goal scorer again.
22 Mar 2015 12:00:41
Leafhate: I notice that you very infrequently address legitimate points that I raise, such as:
1. Kessel being integral to every one of the Leafs recent meltdowns by not showing up in the last 20-40 games of every season
2. Kessel having a poor attitude and work ethic
3. Kessel on a long-term, expensive contract
4. Kessel has the absolute worst plus minus in the entire NHL. The worst. Dead last. What's the use in scoring 30 goals when he's on the ice for the opponents' 65?
It's likely that more Kessel jerseys have been thrown on the ice this season than goals that he has scored. Yet none of what I have stated factors into your analysis of his trade value. You value Kessel in 2010 or 2011, not March 2015. You're right, he could be a 30 goal scorer or maybe more. Who knows. But right now he's showing he's not capable of it - not even close.
Wake up, watch a Leafs game, and tell me if you think any rational GM would pay the price you're asking. A player's last 5 months of play is worth 10 times what his last 5 years worth of play is worth. You seem not to get this very important fact.
Please tell me when the jerseys stop being thrown on the ice and Kessel scores a goal against a quality team. wait a minute. until he scores a goal at all. I wouldn't want to miss it.
22 Mar 2015 13:50:41
There's the problem easy e in your mind it's a fact or a legitimate point.
1 how do I argue with someone who thinks kessel doesn't show up the second half of the season( rediculous)
2 I don't know Phil, do you?if he has a poor attitude and work ethic that's not good but how much did evander Kane's attitude slow the jets in getting a good return for him.exactly.
3 ya kessel has a long term contract, ya it's expensive. You bash it and call it an albatross, if that's the case then patrick Kane is worse at 12 million. I think it's fair.
4 kessel is an offensive player he is not great defensively however he is nowhere near as bad as you try to make him sound.
Ok I addressed the "legitimate points and facts"
As you call them.
Truth is you blame kessel for all the leafs problems but that's stupid, he did not pick his teammates, he did not choose to play with Tyler bozak instead of a playmaking center that belongs on the first line.
Kessel is frustrated right now and I don't blame him, he is not playing as good as he can but that doesn't mean he is no longer elite anymore, it just means he is not playing as good as he can.
"He can be a 30 goal scorer but right now he is showing he is not capable of it not even close" he has 24 goals despite his struggles last time I checked 24 is close to 30.