NHL rumours 10

08 Feb 2024 17:08:41
Blockbuster

Islanders trade Julien Gauthier to Canucks, for Sheldon Dries.
Islanders get a depth centre, while Canucks get depth winger, with size, for the playoffs

09 Feb 2024 06:16:26
Looks good to me

08 Feb 2024 15:36:32
Philadelphia Trades
Laughton
Atkinson*
SWalker*

Toronto Trades
Samsonov
Kampf
NRobertson
Minton (AHL)
1st Round Pick 2024


*Flyers retain 50% of both Atkinson's 2 remaining years, and SWalker's expiring contract.


This is a proposal that can only happen once Woll is ready to play.

Flyers at a point of a bit of rebuilding and retooling and this proposal does this.

Leafs fix upfront and defense with this proposal which they will be looking at.



Thoughts ?

08 Feb 2024 21:13:57
- PHI hangs up.

- It is predictable in that it heavily favours the leafs, and the exchange of assets is inequitable.

- Another predictable element of this trade is that there is no compensation for TWO salary retention spots for TWO spots, one of which is for this season and next, and the other for TWO seasons after this.

- Further to not compensating PHI for salary retention, there's no compensation for taking on Samsonov.

- I suppose it's also predictable that it's heavy on forwards, with only one D.

- Lastly, it is predictable that one of two responses will come: "you hate the leafs", or something snarky that implies compensation for Samsonov and the two cap hits beyond this season IS somehow included, but I'm just unable or unwilling to see it.

#"Fantasy Hockey"

08 Feb 2024 23:24:01
Chickenfoot
You do understand Philly has no Goaltender to speak of with Hart's career probably over.
NRobertson has proven he actually is an NHL Player with his play this season.
Samsonov besides a few months ago is showing it was just a bad streak as he has been steady and does have 2 shutouts this season, how is that a terrible Goaltender.
Minton is a legit prospect and to say a 1st Rounder means nothing again makes no sense.
As for retention for SWalker it's an expiring contract and Atkinson has rest of this season and next, that's not long term.
Please at least have a real argument when replying to my post, and no not going to say it's trashing Toronto as this is about what all players involved bring in a proposal like this.
Cheers.

09 Feb 2024 00:12:09
Pinball, your view of the game is uniquely your own. I suspect you are alone in thinking this makes any hockey sense to anyone else.

This one is not close.

09 Feb 2024 14:01:45
I don’t know if they want to trade Laughton but this is a haul for two mid roster players and a 34 year old. Robertson, 1st, Minton all young pieces Philly would want. Also Samsonov is a UFA so he has no value to Philly.

10 Feb 2024 14:00:39
Value wise, I'd say it's not far but I think Toronto should use their three main assets (1st, Robertson, Minton) to acquire more impactful players than Laughton, Atkinson and Walker.

I'd start trade talks with Calgary, for example, to get a player like Hanifin.

08 Feb 2024 13:49:54
I am adding a bit more in a proposal I posted yesterday.

Pittsburgh Trades
Guentzel
Ruhwedel

Toronto Trades
Bertuzzi
Liljegren
Minton (WHL)

I have added prospect Fraser Minton in my proposal and he is without a doubt a very good prospect.
Remember people dealing with Pittsburgh is also dealing with Dubas the same GM who was in Toronto last year, he also drafted Minton and I am sure he would love to have him in The Pens organization.
This is a good trade more for Pittsburgh's future as their stars are aging and they truly like last year will probably not make the playoffs.


Thoughts ?

09 Feb 2024 06:20:01
After seeing what Lindholm and Monahan got I’d assume Guentzel gets a better package than this.

08 Feb 2024 00:35:17
Pittsburgh Trades
Guentzel
Ruhwedel

Toronto Trades
Bertuzzi
Liljegren


If Pittsburgh is ready to part ways with Guentzel this would be more getting Liljegren in a transaction like this Bertuzzi isn't a bad replacement for Guentzel as well.

For The Leafs this improves LW getting Guentzel for there playoff run over Bertuzzi and the sacrifice is Ruhwedel over Liljegren getting Guentzel.



Thoughts ?

08 Feb 2024 01:51:11
Uuuhhhh NO from Pittsburgh. Hang up phone.

08 Feb 2024 07:08:38
agree Nashan. could also add Pens block Leafs number.

08 Feb 2024 11:37:41
No, Bertuzzi isn't a bad replacement for Guentzel, he is a horrible overpaid salary cap dump one! And Liljegren is 24 years old, and in 10 years he has a chance to be 34.

Of course Pitt should trade a 40 goal scorer for these two stiffs to help Toronto out.

08 Feb 2024 21:09:17
There's just no need to do it. Bertuzzi has under performed statistically, but to say he's been awful is a stretch and half. He's had good games and bad games like everyone does and imo the systems Keefe runs do not suit a guy like Bert.

As for the trade, after seeing what Lindholm and Monahan got, Guentzel is going to get a tonne back in return for the Pens should they decide to deal him. Far more than we are going to be able to offer. Even if we could pay the price he'll fetch, are we willing to do it for a rental? Cause there is zero way we'd be able to afford an extension with him as well.

I think our forward group is set unless we can add a 4th line guy who can also kill penalties if need be and can hop up into the 3rd line if injuries happen in the top 9. I think our defense is going to look different after the deadline or even before. With any luck maybe our goaltending situation will improve as well.

16 Feb 2024 10:21:48
I’m sorry but the bertuzzi isn’t a bad replacement for Guentzel take is blasphemous. bertuzzi has 21 points in 51 games vs 52 points in 50 games while being on a worse team. Only use I see bertuzzi in Pittsburg id hed win a lot of beauty pageants.

A 1st and knies or a top end prospect Cowan is the only one that comes to mind or pittsburg slams the phone.

07 Feb 2024 22:22:34
tor: liljigren, robertson, 2024 5th

arz: dumba (50%), 2024 2nd (wash), 2025 3rd


a case could be made to upgrade the wasington pick to arizon's. but this move would pay it forward into getting tanev out of calgary. while still keeping our first, for potential big game hunting or, restocking our own empty cupboards.

options: saros, tarasenko, wennberg, eberle, texier, henrique, mittelstadt.

08 Feb 2024 13:20:38
Looks pretty good to me tbh

08 Feb 2024 16:25:12
Dumba is awful. He absolutely fell off of a cliff. Dennis Gilbert and Jayden Struble are far better players that can be had for a 7th. Dumba doesn’t belong in any pro hockey league even the SPHL.

07 Feb 2024 19:21:24
Trades for the Oilers

EDM
Perron
Reimer($750,000 retained)
Seider

DET
2024 1st round pick (EDM)
Bourgault
Broberg
Ceci
Campbell($1,000,000 retained)

EDM
Edmundson($875,000 retained)

WSH
Janmark
2025 4th round pick (EDM)

07 Feb 2024 20:45:19
Detroit says no. Washington says. hmm. maybe.

07 Feb 2024 21:11:48
Detroit laughs uncontrollably!

07 Feb 2024 21:29:54
Stevie Y is a Hall of Fame player & Executive.

Let's give him a little credit.

05 Feb 2024 18:48:52
Couple Hawks trade ideas.

CHI: Connor Murphy (50% Retained), VAN 2024 2nd
TOR: TOR 2024 1st, Noah Chadwick

CHI: Tyler Johnson (50% Retained), TOR 2026 2nd, OTT 2024 3rd
NYR: Kaapo Kakko, Zac Jones

CHI: Lukas Reichel, TBL 2024 1st
ANA: Trevor Zegras

CHI: Boris Katchouk
Any Contender: 5th

06 Feb 2024 22:21:17
Not sure teams will give out more value like a first for 2nd and 3rds. Like for your first trade, I think toronto is more likely to give a 2nd or a 3rd + for Murphy instead of giving a 1st and getting back a 2nd

08 Feb 2024 13:24:27
I think the first and second trades are close imo but that Zegras one is really bad. I don’t know too much about Katchouk so idk about the last one.

04 Feb 2024 17:48:57
Ceci + 2nd

Hannifan 30% retained

04 Feb 2024 20:01:10
Get real. Lol.

04 Feb 2024 20:53:39
not a chance from the Flames

06 Feb 2024 03:07:17
It's not like the Flames need him. UFA walks for 0. A 2nd for a rental is adequate compensation.

06 Feb 2024 21:05:25
You think that cause in your favor. Holloway and a first maybe. Rather get nothing than take Ceci
Lol.

07 Feb 2024 15:17:34
- CGY is on record saying if they can’t re-sign Hanifin, they’ll trade him.

- A 2nd is NOT “adequate” for an asset like him. It’s not even close!

- Case in point: Monahan brought a 1st and a conditional 3rd. Hanifin has way more value.

10 Feb 2024 22:54:58
Must be your 1st year watching hockey. 2nd even 3rd is more common for a UFA rental at the deadline.
Closer to the deadline. lesser the pick.

10 Feb 2024 22:57:03
Holloway and a 1st for a UFA rental
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

04 Feb 2024 15:53:52
Mtl- Harris-kovacevic

TB -gauthier-2 Nd pick 2025


Mtl- Allen 4th and 5th pick 2024

NJ - 2 Nd pick 2024

04 Feb 2024 08:32:29
CGY - Chris Tanev (50% Salary Retained)
VAN - Aatu Raty & 2025 2nd

04 Feb 2024 17:32:03
While I think that is decent value for Tanev, it isn't enough now. With the Lindholm and Monahan trades, teams are way overpaying. With retention, Tanev will most likely get a 1st and a mid round pick and a prospect like Raty. He's not worth it as neither Monahan or Lindholm were worth what they got.

04 Feb 2024 20:54:54
@BarDown I agree, I’m just lowering my expectations lol

07 Feb 2024 17:29:00
Like Bar Down, I think the market price for Tanev will turn out to be pretty high.

Given his age and skill set I’m shocked that OTT is allegedly considering trading for him. Their trajectory doesn’t seem to line up with the player’s age.

The good news is that CGY should get a nice return👍.

03 Feb 2024 20:32:52
montreal: askarov, 2024 2nd rd pick (lowest)

nashville: 2024 1st rd pick (Mtl)


montreal secures them one of the top goalie prospects. fits their development. nashville gets a top 10 pick to help secure them an impact center.

04 Feb 2024 10:49:52
Habs won't trade thier first, that pick will be near top 5 and Habs don't need askarov anymore, montembault is pretty decent and Jacob Fowler is our future goaltender.

04 Feb 2024 13:25:26
You must not see how good askarov has been so far.

04 Feb 2024 15:56:05
Maybe but that draft is strong won't waive a top 10 pick.

07 Feb 2024 17:33:13
- Habs respectfully decline.

- The 2024 Draft is NOT considered to be a deep draft. It is considered to be 20-deep, with a steep drop off. Look for lots to late first rounders to move.

- I’d rather Fowler than Askarov. When possible, I would avoid Russian players period under the current climate for a host of reasons.