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23 Aug 2018 15:31:25
Detroit Trades: Gustav Nyquist

Nashville Trades: Conditional 2nd 2019 ( Becomes 1st if Nyquist re-signs or Nashville reaches Conference Finals), 3rd 2020

Detroit reason: Clears cap space and Roster Spot for youth

Nashville reason: Gets a scoring winger to help add depth up front where they need more help.

Fair value? Who adds?

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23 Aug 2018 18:45:51
I like it.

23 Aug 2018 19:40:01
Seems good value both ways.

23 Aug 2018 20:46:22
I think that if the xondition isn't meet then the 3rd 2020 should convert to a 2nd 2020.

AT minimum Nyquist is worth 2 seconds. very defensivley sound 20 goal scorer50 point winger.

25 Aug 2018 04:51:45
Thanks for the Feedback everyone. I feel Nashville could be a great Destination at the Deadline go push for this deal.

@redwing1

I agree with that. Two 2nds would be solid, he won’t get what Hartman go but still should fetch a nice return. Especially if there is a bidding war for his services.

25 Aug 2018 06:16:06
Maybe more like a late 1st but idk.

23 Aug 2018 14:06:19
WPG: Trouba, 1st Round Pick 2019, Petan
OTT: Karlsson

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23 Aug 2018 15:36:15
The Jets don't want any part of this trade as re-signing Karlsson would be too expensive. The Sens wouldn't want this trade as trying to convince Trouba to sign long term would be too frustrating and expensive. Plus I don't believe that Karlsson has fully healed from his foot injury.

23 Aug 2018 15:44:06
That is too much to pay for one year of Karlsson and the Jets won't be able to afford what Karlsson wants on his next contract. So, Winnipeg would have to say no.

23 Aug 2018 08:45:57
Detroit Trades: Jonathan Ericsson (2 years, 4.250 million)

New Jersey Trades: 3rd 2019 (ANA), Conditional 3rd 2020 (2nd if Devils Re-sign Ericsson)

Detroit reason: Clears cap and makes room for Hronek or Hicketts to crack the roster.

New Jersey Reason:Gets Veteran Swedish Defenseman to help mentor and anchor Severson. Fills the gap left by Moore and they have enough cap space to try him out for this year and next.

Is the value fair? Too much? Too little?

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23 Aug 2018 13:18:47
Don’t usually see ‘condition on signing’ with 2 years left. That would be entering his final season, deadline of final season or trading his rights after the season.

23 Aug 2018 15:40:55
Eww no from NJ, Wings are stuck with Ericsson.

25 Aug 2018 04:56:14
Thanks for the feedback.

@unbiasedjim You make a good point about conditions. Maybe the condition could be play related.

@Hotguybabes

Ericsson is a decent Defenseman who may succeed with a change of scenery. Also his term is much lower which makes his contract more tolerable. New Jersey also has cap space and a need for Defenseman. Adding depth like Ericsson for picks can certainly help them push to make the playoffs again. They may not go far but deeper defense can help get you I’m.

23 Aug 2018 08:32:32
To colorado karlsson
To ottawa Tyson Barrie and ottawa frist round pick 2019 with then ottawa takes jackhughes lol only one can dream

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23 Aug 2018 13:54:05
If it's clear that Karlsson will not extend with anyone other than Tampa, Ottawa is going to need to manage their expectations for a return if he is traded as a rental to any other team. I seriously doubt Colorado would be willing to include Ottawa's 1st, which has a high probability of being a top-3 pick, for a season or less of EK (especially along with a nice piece under contract for multiple years in Barrie) .

22 Aug 2018 16:18:01
To DET: Calvin Pickard

To TOR: Luke Glendening

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22 Aug 2018 17:34:40
Detroit declines, if we need Pickard it won’t cost us Glendening.

He may go for a mid pick or waiver pick up. As a Wings Fan, I would pay that over Glendening.

Not saying the value is off, Just that this is one of those cases where Glendening’s intangibles make him more valuable to the Wings than other teams may value him.

Like it would take an overpay to pry him out.

This is a good destination for him because Glendening had good history with Babcock.

I remember the estimated price for Toronto was at least a 2nd and I’m pretty sure even Liljegren was an ask for Glendening a year or 2 ago.

So basically: Pickard won’t get you Glendening and you won’t like the price if it happens.

22 Aug 2018 18:17:01
He might be a good fit, but the first time i ever heard there was interest was leading up to this past deadline, not a year or two ago. And liljegren was not the asking price I rememebr being reported lol also he’s only been drafted a year and a cpl months. They were not trading a freshly drafted RH puck moving D who was ranked as a top 5 pick and fell to them at 17th for a 4th liner lol that’s outrageous. That’s like saying in 2016, the asking price for Nick Spaling for the wings from the leafs was Dylan Larkin lol not a chance.

22 Aug 2018 19:59:48
Was there really a list that ranked liligren at 5th anywhere close to the draft? Only lists I can remember had him going anywhere from 10 to 18th.

22 Aug 2018 20:33:27
@Habby, I just re-read my response. I worded that poorly. He wasn’t a projected top 5 pick heading in to that draft. He was touted as a top 5 pick, even as high as second on some lists the previous season. His draft year was less than stellar allowing leafs to get him at 17th. Just meant that they weren’t trading that kind of potential at 18 years old At a position that every team either needs or can’t get enough of for a 4th liner. I stand by the rest of it tho, saying the wings wouldn’t trade Larkin at 18 and oilers wouldn’t trade Yamamoto at 18 etc for 4th line depth, just because they were picked 15-25th overall instead of top 5 or 10 lol.

22 Aug 2018 20:34:02
Why trade for them when teams will wait until the end of training camp and claim either Sparks and Pickard off waivers.

22 Aug 2018 21:14:41
@islandjet, that’s a possibility, but often times with these low value guys they trade for them for total contract numbers. Pickard cleared waivers 2 days before the leafs traded for him last season. They did that because they were planning on making moves at the deadline and didn’t want to handcuff themselves at 50 total contracts. So as soon as pickard cleared, they worked out a trade for him and sent Lindberg to Vegas. Not sure what Detroit’s contract numbers are, but waivers vs trades happen for a real reason.

22 Aug 2018 21:30:27
However right after training camp, teams probably have more flexibility and could just claim on of them.

22 Aug 2018 22:32:30
Liljegren was considered a top 2 pick the year prior to his draft. He got really sick (I believe it was mono) which caused him to fall in the draft because he didn't have a good year due to his sickness. So yes, he has pedigree and if the Wings asked for Liljegren for Glendening the leafs rightfully refused.

22 Aug 2018 23:30:01
Glendening is a 4th line center on one of the worst rosters in the NHL.

I sincerely doubt Liljegren was ever the ask, and frankly feel like I lost a few IQ points having read it.

23 Aug 2018 02:02:48
Yes liljigren was projected to be a tip 2 but missed a lot of games his draft season.

As for Picard clearing wavers, it's a formal process. Once a player clears wavers they are eligible to be send down to the minors unless a team claims him, at which point he must remain on the nhl team until he clears waivers. The only reason the leafs traded for Picard was because he cleared waivers and was eligible to be sent to the marlies immediately.

23 Aug 2018 08:36:52
@UnbiasedJim

I agree with what you said. Although I may have been a little out of context.

What I was trying to say is that I read a single article that Liljegren was a potential piece in a deal that obviously fell through at the past deadline (forgot when it was) . Clearly that author knew nothing about hockey.

Now obviously one article does not lead to accuracy on the real asking price. What I will add is that Leafs did show interest so they could re visit this at the deadline again.

I know that Glendening a 4th line C and is not getting a stud D prospect like Liljegren. Just expecting draft picks and as high as the bidding war will take it.

However, I feel overall that my Wings won’t move him because we don’t have a replacement for him who does the intangibles on the PK and flexibility to move around the lineup.

Basically, trying to get across that I would prefer picks/ prospects over Pickard. Pickard’s ceiling isn’t high so just from a Red Wings Team need perspective, we would be looking for like Tyler Parsons, Carter Hart or someone like that. Not saying we will get them but that’s what we’re looking for.

23 Aug 2018 14:01:24
I don't think a 2nd is an unreasonable ask. If I was a GM I personally would not trade a 2nd for Glendening, but I'm pretty sure the Leafs were foolish enough to trade a second to Montreal for Monsieur Turtleneck last year.

I thought that was a bad trade by the Leafs then, and still do, but it certainly gives credibility to the ask for Glendening (especially to a divison rival as was the case with Plekanec) .

23 Aug 2018 14:58:33
For Glendening as a controllable player to shore up our 4th line, I’d do a 3rd easily and probably a second (would be a late one anyway) . Babcock has had 4-5 guys rotate in and out trying to get that 4th lone C role filled and hasn’t found him. So if he’s comfortable with Glendening, get him. All I was saying is you don’t trade Liljegren to do it lol leafs have plenty of prospect depth of guys that you expect to draft in the 2nd and 3rd round. Of course you could give up that 2nd round pick that becomes Johnny Quick or Pk Subban or Patrice Bergeron, but generally speaking they are guys that could crack your line up in a few years as middle tier guys.

22 Aug 2018 05:34:45
Lets be realistic here and realize that the leafs are probably not going to be able to resign Gardiner. If they do, it'll probably require a certain Patrick Marleau to get traded. So that being said,

Option 1 (after July 1 next year):

TOR: Marleau

ARI: 4th or 5th round pick


Option 2:

TOR: Gardiner, Liljegren, Sparks, and 1st in 2020 (if Gardiner doesn't resign)

FLAMES: Gostisbehere

The Gardiner one probably isn't good enough and Philadelphia probably don't do it but I feel like Gardiner would go in a pretty big deal.

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22 Aug 2018 05:58:47
Lol at that Ghost trade.

22 Aug 2018 13:46:27
I will bet money this will be Marleaus last year on the team. They front loaded the contract for a reason.

22 Aug 2018 13:55:18
First off, they won’t do that to Marleau. Second off, I’m assuming you mean flyers not flames. Thirdly, why can they sign Gardiner? What kind of a raise do you expect him to get?! Ryan Ellis justgot $6.25 mill. Gardiner makes just over $4mill now. The difference between what he makes now and him being paid more than Ryan Ellis is Ron Hainsey ($2.25mill) who’s contract ends the same day. And that’s if he eats the same or more than Ryan Ellis, which I have a hard time believing. You don’t operate in bad faith with a guy like Marleau over pennies. And flyers wouldn't take that deal.

22 Aug 2018 14:59:34
Marleau will probably retire and his contract will get traded. It was a way for the team to get him and give him more money. Almost positive this is how it turns out.

22 Aug 2018 15:41:52
Can’t see Marleau retiring, he’s still a productive player. Will probably retire a shark after his contract in Toronto is up or will sign for a year in San Jose first.

22 Aug 2018 15:43:26
so they are giving calgary assets to acquire a philly player? how does that work?

22 Aug 2018 17:21:41
Screwed that up, meant to be Flyers. I just don't feel like they can keep Marleau, Gardiner, Matthews, and Marner. I know the Gost trade is terrible, but it was just an idea. Ryan Elis is not a very good comparable because he said that he left money on the table to keep the Nashville core together. I would expect Gardiner to get at least that if he replicates last season's point totals. Plus I feel like they would definently do that to Marleau.

22 Aug 2018 19:17:08
They can't do that to Marleau, he has a NMC. he is definitely not going to waive that for ARI.

22 Aug 2018 21:17:58
Gardiner will be asked to leave money on the table to be part of a good team too, so I’d say he is comparable to the Ellis situation. Maybe not comparable player style, but both a year away from UFA, mid to late 20s and on good teams. If Gardiner wants to hit the jackpot (fully within his rights) he can do that on a team half as good. But no contending team can pay Gardiner $7mill+.

And if he’s asking $7mill, then not a chance philly trades a younger, cheaper player locked up for him lol.

28 Aug 2018 09:13:28
Calgary says yes.

22 Aug 2018 05:00:59
Canucks: Gagner, 2nd round pick

Tampa: Callahan, Foote

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22 Aug 2018 13:02:22
Not going to get Foote for that.

22 Aug 2018 16:31:06
If Tampa is unwilling to part with Foote for Karlsson they won’t trafe him for Gagner.

21 Aug 2018 21:10:10
to Vancouver
Callahan
Koekkoek

to Tampa Bay
Gagner (1M retained)

Tampa improves their wing situation while getting cap off to make more moves, while vancouver gets a solid young defenseman. Normally a team wouldn't trade someone like Koekkoek in this kind of trade but Tampa is all the way into win-now mode and has 7 other dependable defensemen; the retained salary is invaluable for a team in the situation Tampa is in.

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22 Aug 2018 03:07:44
Koekkoek has only proven he is not an NHL defender. I don’t know what you mean by solid. If Vancouver is taking on that much cap and retaining salary. I want Foote not Koekkoek.

22 Aug 2018 13:02:47
realistic, imo.

22 Aug 2018 15:42:21
Koekook has proved more then Nathan Beaulieu.

22 Aug 2018 17:34:56
Beaulieu has played 3 times more games in the NHL. I also would not call Beaulieu a solid defender.

22 Aug 2018 19:30:26
Yes from Tampa. Not sure why the Canucks would though.

23 Aug 2018 12:55:20
I meant hasn't proved.

21 Aug 2018 21:07:23
Oil: Caggiula

Devils: Quennville.

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22 Aug 2018 00:26:28
for what purpose?

22 Aug 2018 18:09:42
Why nawt like what are ya sayin.

21 Aug 2018 15:23:17
Ottawa Senators:

Erik Karlsson (Signed)


Colorado Avalanche:

Cale Makar
1st Round Pick 2019
1st Round Pick 2020
2nd Round Pick 2020

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21 Aug 2018 16:12:36
Wouldnt do it if I were GM of the Avs. Only way a young team trades for him is in a sign and trade. Karlsson will only get traded unsigned if its to a contending team.

21 Aug 2018 16:55:51
This is with a contract it says. But still, I wouldn’t do it if I were Avs.

21 Aug 2018 20:56:48
Is that '19 first ottawas or Colorado. Also what would karlsson be signed for? There is a big difference in value if karlsson is signed at 8x8 (what Hedman makes, very unlikely), 8x11 (what doughty makes) and 8x>11, which is what karlsson could be asking for (not sure) . IMO it is too much from colorados pov.

21 Aug 2018 23:12:19
I guarantee Colorado wouldn’t trade Cale Makar for any pending UFA. They could trade for him now for that huge overpayment proposed or wait a year and get him for free. Colorado isn’t a true contender with Karlsson. So trading all of there future for that would backfire tremendously. Think of the expansion never put all your eggs in one basket. So that’s why Colorado shouldn’t trade for him at all unless as itookdonscherry said a pre negotiation was reached and in that case the deal would be a lot less then that. That package is almost as much as Erik Lindros got.
Ottawa is not in a strong position to trade because every team know Ottawa has to trade him ( and probably with Ryan ) so any trade will be a loss for Ottawa there is no way they get anything close to a “fair” deal. At the deadline Ottawa will take the best offer they get probably 2 1sts and a decent prospect ( definitely not Makar ) . Dallas wouldn’t trade Hieskanen straight up for Karlsson and Tampa was unwilling to trade Foote in any deal for him so you’re wrong if you think Colorado trades a dman who is more valuable then both in a deal for a pending UFA.

 


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