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05 Jul 2018 18:02:13
Sources are confident that Karlsson is going to TB, yikes! The Golden State Lightning i guess but they have cap troubles as well.

To OTT
• (C) Brayden Point
• (D) Mikhail Sergachev
• (C) Tyler Johnson
To TB
• (D) Erik Karlsson

To ARI
• (RW) Ryan Callahan
• (2019) 1st-Round Pick
To TB
• (2019) 6th-Round Pick

To MTL
• (D) Braydon Coburn
To TB
• (2019) 7th-Round Pick

TB Lightning free up 14,500,000M in cap space but also already have 4.45M.

TB gains 18,950,000M to resign Karlsson at probably 11M x 7YR (same as Doughty) and also make more signings.

Tampa Signs - Anthony Duclair (1.75M x 2YR), Kris Versteeg (1.5M x 1YR)


Alex Killorn - Steven Stamkos - Nikita Kucherov
Ondrej Palat - Carter Verhaeghe - Anthony Duclair
JT Miller - Anthony Cirelli - Kris Versteeg
Cedric Paquette - Andy Andreoff - Yanni Gourde

Victor Hedman - Erik Karlsson
Ryan McDonaugh - Dan Girardi
Andrej Sustr - Anton Stralman

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05 Jul 2018 18:21:43
What about kucherov next year?

05 Jul 2018 18:23:55
Team looks worse IMO. Be smarter for them to keep Point over Karlsson.

05 Jul 2018 18:33:44
It’d be Point for Karlsson+.

05 Jul 2018 18:23:55
Team looks worse IMO. Be smarter for them to keep Point over Karlsson.

05 Jul 2018 18:33:44
It’d be Point for Karlsson+.

05 Jul 2018 20:08:28
Under no circumstances will Point and Sergachev both be traded for Karlsson. If I am wrong I will happily eat crow afterwards, but he's just not worth both of them IMO. That's lunacy.

05 Jul 2018 20:13:13
Scratch sustr, he signed with Anaheim

05 Jul 2018 21:21:29
So Anaheim can now scratch suster.

06 Jul 2018 02:23:56
Karlsson is number 3 player in the world number 1 defenceman plus he has played side by side with hedman in the past. of course he's worth sergachev + point + 2 1sts. anyone who honestly thinks otherwise must have been born under a rock and has a few screws loose. point has 2 decent seasons under his belt and sergachev had a great rookie season playing with the likes of hedman kucherov and stamkos who are 3 of the best players in the game, of course he's going to look good in most people's eyes. that still don't put either of their individual values anywhere close to karlssons full value. combined value is close but still not enough. add the late 1st and the value is mostly there. now being it would be an in division trade they'd have to over pay a bit so another late 1st the following year would do the trick.

06 Jul 2018 11:04:18
That’s a great offer for Karlsson imo.

06 Jul 2018 11:07:50
Hold on did vb just say Point for Karlsson +.

06 Jul 2018 13:32:24
vb is a sens hater. Go read his previous posts.

06 Jul 2018 13:58:27
I did he’ll be traded on Pennies on the dollar and there GM will be fired shortly after the trade because fans will lose it.

06 Jul 2018 14:34:57
Vbbvbb if Dorian is dumb enough to do any less than what's listed in this proposal then I do agree on the part that he will be fired. either that of fans start a riot.

06 Jul 2018 16:15:21
This will be a worse return then Thornton got. There is no way the senator get a game changer back in any trade they’re in a bad position.

06 Jul 2018 18:21:58
@Rambo: Sens has to add the higher pick (5th rnd) to Hoffman to get boedker, a C prospect and a 6th rounder after you guaranteed he would get a top 10 pick and a top prospect.

So now that you say Point, Sergachev and two 1st rounders, I will equate that to one good prospect (Foote), a first rounder, and a conditional pick (maybe 1st)

06 Jul 2018 18:46:02
Somewhere between Rambo's delusional Sergachev, Point and 2 First round picks proposal, and VB's unlikely prediction of Ottawa not getting a gamer changer back lies Karlsson's true value.

If Karlsson has his heart set on playing in Tampa, and that is the only team with which he is willing to extend with, it obviously limits the bidding war for his services. Ottawa could still trade him to another team for just this year, which would open the bidding to more teams, but they would be trading a Karlsson with one year left on his contract vs. trading an extended Karlsson (for which teams would obviously be willing to trade more for) . Clearly a lot of moving parts.

Rambo also stated in a post above that Ottawa did not have to trade Karlsson "because he has a year left on his contract. " I'm not sure what he means by that (he probably doesn't either) as if Ottawa wants to get anything for Karlsson he must be traded as it is pretty clear he will not be resigning in Ottawa. Personally, I think Ottawa would be foolish to let this drag on into the season as not only will it be a gigantic distraction, they also risk Karlsson injuring himself at which point no one would trade for him, and he would walk next summer as a UFA.

If he goes to Tampa I think that is a positive for Ottawa as Tampa will not be able to take on Ryan's contract, so Karlsson's return will not be further diminshed by Cheap Uncle Eugene stapling a massive cap dump to the trade.

Time will tell (hopefully sooner than later) .

06 Jul 2018 19:11:45
Apologies -- "Karlsson injuring himself" as i wrote above sounds like I meant Karlsson should be on suicide watch or something. That was NOT my intention and poorly worded. I simply meant that allowing Karlsson to play would be running the risk of him suffering a season-ending injury, closing the door on a possible trade before he walks as a UFA next summer.

06 Jul 2018 20:16:11
Well said Unsportsmanlike and Unbiased Jim I like that offer.

06 Jul 2018 21:48:57
@Unsportsmanlike: always seem to agree exactly with you. Always well expressed logic.

05 Jul 2018 16:50:22
To Dal: Alex Killorn

To TB: Remi Elie, 2020 2nd


To Dal: Artemi Panarin

To CBJ: 2019 1st, Riley Tufte.

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05 Jul 2018 17:35:41
No from clb And no from Dallas on the 1st Trade.

06 Jul 2018 22:44:17
Cbj want a straight up hockey trade, not wanting picks or prospects, just someone that can replace panarin which they most likely won't find.

08 Jul 2018 05:35:09
Karlssson and bobby ryan for panarin? Lol, jk.

05 Jul 2018 14:24:08
OTT: Karlsson, Smith
DAL: Heiskanen, 1st Round Pick 2019, Honka

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08 Jul 2018 05:36:36
I wish! I would take that and run if i were ottawa.

08 Jul 2018 05:39:36
. but i highly doubt the stars are moving heiskanen, and if they do i highly doubt it would be with honka and a 1st attached.

05 Jul 2018 00:38:05
Tor: Nylander

Van: Tanev, Goldobin

How much is missing to making this go through?

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05 Jul 2018 02:29:30
a lot.

05 Jul 2018 02:32:51
Add canucks first

05 Jul 2018 03:22:43
You're missing a lot, As usual.
Sooo one sided to Canuks wow.

05 Jul 2018 11:40:45
This is equiv to

Petterson for Gardiner+Bracco.

Stop. Please. Nylander gets traded for a young dman with potential (similar age), or doesn't get traded at all. Not for Defensive Lupul and a prospect whos having a hard time making the Canucks.

06 Jul 2018 11:03:41
No way nylander gets you 2 players. Toronto adds.

07 Jul 2018 10:20:45
There are fans from multiple teams saying Vancouver adds Balsam. Your comments on every leaf post are redundant.

10 Jul 2018 16:39:16
If lead fans can read... WHAT NEEDS TO BE ADDED TO MAKE THIS GO THROUGH... the post doesn't say nylander for tanev and goldy...

Man... all the people that jumped to conclusions no have no credability... aka can't read.

04 Jul 2018 21:30:54
If I'm Pierre Dorion and Dallas is seriously interested Dallas has to include Heiskanen if he's not I'd walked there's 4-5 teams very serious about Karlsson I think this is a better trade then the one I posted a few days ago.

Ottawa: Heiskanen, Oettinger, 2019 first, rounder 2021 second rounder (Spezza for cap dump)

Dallas: Karlsson (Resigns long term)

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05 Jul 2018 04:47:06
It’d be a one for 1 swap but Dallas won’t do that.

05 Jul 2018 19:42:37
Heniskanen, Ottinger, 2019 First Rounder 2021 Second Rounder is Better For The Sens IMO Ottawa Won't Want Spezza back we are trying to get ride of cap.

06 Jul 2018 11:00:03
No way that karlson for a prospect is a 1 for 1 swap I don’t care how good he is. I think ott needs to get glass from Vegas.

06 Jul 2018 11:02:02
1 for 1. vbbbvvbb you are acc so delusional. In what world is Karlsson, 2 time norris in his prime, worth Heiskanen alone (who has never played a game in the NHL)

04 Jul 2018 19:30:28
Pacioretty (contract extended)

For

Matheson
Heponiemi
Conditional 2nd (if Florida makes playoffs it becomes a 1st)


Shaw (25% retained)
Ikonen
3rd 2019

For

Tierney

Leave kotkatniemi in Finland for another year and tank

Domi Danualt Gallagher
Drouin Tierney Hudon
Lehkonen Peca Schebak
Byron Plek Armia

Matheson Weber
Mete Petry
Alzner Julssen

Price Niemi.

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05 Jul 2018 00:14:44
I pretty sure that Florida want to keep Matheson he just sign a long term with them.

06 Jul 2018 11:01:27
Would you say values alright or who adds to either trade?

07 Jul 2018 17:40:05
Yes trade value is there, the way that Matheson play last year with Panthers, can't see Florida trading him but except for that I like the teade.

04 Jul 2018 18:33:33
Habs: Max Pacioretty

Wild: Dumba

Pacioretty has lost value, last year I would have thought this deal was crazy. Montreal desperately needs D Dumba would be on the first pair. Minny has lots of good d and forwards. Pacioretty could complete the top six
Kouvi -Parise- Pacioretty ( beast line)
Coyle/ stall - niderettor- zucker ( one of best top six in the nhl.

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04 Jul 2018 19:31:06
Won't work for Habs as they need a L Shot D Dumba shoots R.

04 Jul 2018 19:38:47
Dumba isn’t going anywhere.

04 Jul 2018 19:47:05
I don’t know if I never appreciated how good Dumba was, or if he never played as good as he did i that first round series against the Jets. But he was really impressive. If habs could get him I think it would be a good deal for both. Only I believe he’s a RHD, a player like him to play LD with Weber would be better.

04 Jul 2018 22:18:08
Still guys MONTREAL NEEDS D EITHER WAY😂😂 even if it’s the wrong hand.

05 Jul 2018 04:03:44
Overvaluing Pacioretty.

05 Jul 2018 04:44:12
@dangle, I said it was a good move for Montreal regardless, but LHD makes MORE sense. When your best d makes 7.5 mill and is RHD, common sense says “get him a partner”. Never said they can’t use a good RHD though.

05 Jul 2018 16:49:24
Ok but still why does Minnesota do it? Dumba is younger, better, and a defenseman which Minnesota has zero in their farm system! I guess though if it helps Canadian teams you guys don’t care! Start thinking before ya guys post or respond to this garbage.

05 Jul 2018 17:46:48
I don't understand how a lot of people undervalue pacioretty . yet will go bonkers over a guy like nylander. Makes no sense.

05 Jul 2018 19:12:48
Probably because Nylander is 20 already more effective then Patches and on a ELC. Where as Patches is a pending UFA coming of his worst season.

05 Jul 2018 20:09:26
Because Nylander put up 61 pts in 81 games with a +20 making 900k at 20 years old and is under team control for 7 more years. Patches put up 37 pts in 61 games with a -16 making 4.5mill and is under team control for less than a calendar year. I don’t understand how people don’t see he’s worth more lol.

06 Jul 2018 01:39:09
Nylander plays with Matthews or Kardi. Pacioretty plays with Danualt or an even worst center. Also completely different playing styles to compare them. Nylander is a playmaker and pacioretty is goal scorer.

06 Jul 2018 13:58:00
The funny part about people with the Pacioretty talks is you have to actually look at what he's done with who he did it with. He's been a consistent 30+ goals 60+ points (yes he had one bad year) with very little help.

04 Jul 2018 12:53:01
2 trades to benefit AZ and get them back into the playoffs.

To EDM
• (D) Jason Demers
To ARI
• (LW) Milan Lucic
• (C) Kailer Yamamoto

To OTT
• (C) Dylan Strome
• (2019) 1st-Round Pick
• (RW) Nick Merkley
To ARI
• (D) Erik Karlsson (agreement to resign)
• (RW) Bobby Ryan


Richard Panik - Derek Stepan - Clayton Keller
Brendan Perlini - Alex Galchenyuk - Michael Grabner
Christian Dvorak - Brad Richardson - Bobby Ryan
Milan Lucic - Marcus Kruger - Christian Fischer

Oliver Ekman-Larsson - Erik Karlsson
Jakob Chychrun - Nick Hjarlmarsson
Alex Goligoski - Kevin Connauton

IMO playoff ready. Adds veteran presence, a franchise defender and a solid prospect who could make the roster and kick out Fischer outta his roster spot slotting bobby ryan to the 4th line.

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04 Jul 2018 13:18:44
Sorry Billy but even adding Karlsson, the line up still looks weak to me. The entire forward group is average and Panik as the #1 LW? Looks like another high pick for the coyotes. I must say, you are a trade proposal machine. You post more trades per day than most people have in 5-6 years. Some decent ones too. Good job!

04 Jul 2018 13:31:52
I've read it Karlsson goes to Dallas, Ryan won't be part of the deal but who knows.

04 Jul 2018 13:32:19
I believe Arizona won’t take on cap space I believe if not signed they will put a huge offer sheet in on Mathews next year.

04 Jul 2018 14:13:29
I think leafs fear a cpl offer sheets on Matthews and won’t let it get to that point. I kinda expect he signs in the next few weeks. Then marner might play out the last year of his ELC.

04 Jul 2018 15:44:45
Leafs would match a 15.9mil Max for Mathews they’ll just trade lesser players like Marner, Nylander, Tavares And Rielly to fit him.

04 Jul 2018 15:42:09
Lucic won’t play 4th line lol he won’t waive for that.

04 Jul 2018 17:46:08
Offer sheets have to be signed by the player they are targeting.

Do you seriously think Matthews would sign an offer sheet with Arizona? Leave a team that is going to be a cup contender for the foreseeable future to go to one of the doormats of the NHL that has no certain future?

The Leafs are going to pay Matthews very well. He will make a fortune in endorsements playing in Toronto. Money is not going to be an issue for him. Or any of his future children, grandchildren, or great grandchildren for that matter.

This just seems like a ridiculous discussion, also given the fact that offer sheets almost never happen in the first place.

04 Jul 2018 21:00:34
@Unsportsmanlike, you’re exactly right. The ‘playing at home’ thing is an attractive thing for some players, as shown by Tavares this week. But that’s only one aspect. Like when stamkos was available and he chose the contender in TB over TOR who was very early in the build. Now we are ready to compete and Tavares comes in. Matthews might want to play in ARI one day, but I highly doubt its in the next 5-6 years. If Arizona is a really good team when he’s 27, we might have a problem then.

05 Jul 2018 00:25:04
Matthews is not worth 15.9 where the hell did you get that number from hahaha.

05 Jul 2018 00:26:32
Although Nylander and Marner will for sure need to be traded if they want to keep Matthews.

05 Jul 2018 00:29:11
I think Arizona actually has a bright future if they can pull it together. Lots of high draft picks.

05 Jul 2018 00:37:40
Thats very little for karlsson don't you think

05 Jul 2018 02:47:47
No McJesus, neither Nylander or Marner have to be traded if they want to keep Matthews.

The only current player who may need to be traded is Marleau, and not this season (and perhaps not at all, if Marner and Nylander are bridged, but I think Toronto would be better off signing them long term) . Signing Nylander and Marner longer term will carry a higher cap hit and necessitate moving Marleau for the last year of his contract (2019-20 season) . After his bonus is bonus is paid, he will only carry a $4 mln salary and would be easy to move to a team looking to reach the cap floor.

05 Jul 2018 04:49:56
Dubas was on the radio today saying they’re keeping them all and I don’t doubt it. They can do it. Secondly @mcjesus 15.9 million is the max contract allowed. That’s “where the hell VBB got that number from” lol it’s a way of saying he’s not going anywhere. Didn’t think it was hard to figure that out, especially or an informed guy like you! It’s not a made up number, it’s 20% of cap. And you know why leafs can keep these players?! Because their GM isn’t chirelli signing Lucics and trading away $6 million hart trophy winners.

05 Jul 2018 06:29:04
Wtf McJ? Do you really think they would sign Tavares to lose Nylander and Marner? I could see trading one for a good defenseman but that’s it.

05 Jul 2018 15:22:03
Exactly the leafs would match any contract that’s what I was saying. And no they certainly wouldn’t have to trade either they can Sign Marner and Mathews comfortably to around 18 million and still have plenty of room with Horton on LTIR. They should bridge Nylander tho to a Kucherov similar just in case a player like Paryanko becomes available.

05 Jul 2018 15:53:34
On the NHL talk page I did a comparison between 2019 leafs and 2014 penguins in relation to percentage of cap used on top players. Look at that. I tried putting it in this page but it was placed there.

04 Jul 2018 09:58:02
To Arizona
• (RW) Troy Brouwer (4.5M x 2YR)
• (D) Oliver Kylington
• (2019) 3rd-Round Pick
To Calgary
• (C) Nick Cousins (usually plays wing)

Calgary sheds cap and gets a bottom 6 forward, Arizona gets a decent defensive prospect, a pick and a gritty veteran.

Gaudreau - Monahan - Neal
Tkachuk - Backlund - Lindholm
Bennett - Jankowski - Frolik
Czarnik - Ryan - Cousins

Panik - Stepan - Keller
Perlini - Galchenyuk - Grabner
Dvorak - Strome - Fischer
Richardson - Kruger - Brouwer

Calgary Flames cap space 16.4M to resign Jankowski, Hanifin, Lindholm.

Hanifin 4.75M x 7YR
Lindholm 4.25M x 4YR
Jankowski 3.25M x 3YR

4,150,000 cap space remaining to sign Tkachuk next season. Could gain more space with a trade involving Michael Stone at 3.5M

Which would give them 7,650,000M to sign Tkachuk. Tkachuk's roughly contract being at 5.75M x 7YR leaving them at 1.9M in Cap Space.

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04 Jul 2018 15:42:59
Hanifin will laugh when he’s offered that contract oh boy.

04 Jul 2018 16:49:40
Ya if you would have said $4.75 for 2 years that's believable. But not 7. He'll gamble on himself I think. Should be worth little more.

04 Jul 2018 21:07:27
Lines are pretty messed, if they break up the second line, it'll be tkachuk moving to the 1st line, neal taking his spot and frolik is better than lindholm so unless they want to even out lines, frolik will still be second line. And agree with the other guys, bridge contract would be in that range, not long term.

05 Jul 2018 08:00:47
Drastically overpaying jankowski.

08 Jul 2018 00:16:45
Over paying big time!

04 Jul 2018 04:23:56
Dallas considered front runners for Karlsson(Chris Stevenson, the athletic). So

Ottawa: Erik Karlsson, Bobby Ryan(15% retention), Conditional 2019 2nd

Dallas: Jason Spezza, Miro Heiskanen, conditional 2019 1st.

Dallas gets a much needed lift to their D, and an (overpaid) scoring winger who IMO would slot in very nicely with Seguin if Jim Montgomery decides to even out the lines. The condition on the 1st is if Karlsson Resigns. Though they lose some centre depth via spezza, they still would have enough offensive firepower to be competitive.

Ottawa brings in a former star, who would likely sell a decent number of jersey's, plus gets rid of (most of) bobby ryans contract, in addition to a great d prospect and possibly a first. The condition on the 2nd is Karlsson doesn't sign.

In a years time spezzas contract comes off the books if Dorion or Melnyk wants to cut spending, or they could resign him

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04 Jul 2018 04:32:37
Why would ottawa want Spezza? that's a terrible return

04 Jul 2018 04:53:52
There could be a number of reasons why Ottawa would take spezza.

1. Jersey sales, as he's an old name, and could bring a nostalgia factor to some fans
2. They don't have a 1st in case you didn't know, spezza is decent, so he could help with the team, Duchene/ Spezza is not the worst 1-2 punch up the middle
3. Dallas adding spezza gives them some cap flexibility for this season, even though they are taking on bobby ryan, so maybe they wanted to include him
4. They could possibly trade Spezza with salary retention and get a good return.

The reason that the return is underwhelming is cause Dallas is taking Ryan's horrendous contract.

04 Jul 2018 04:59:24
I like it @ Pittsburgh Finest take out ryan or the 1st tho. It’s going to be an extremely underwhelming return for the sens there fans will be dissapointed.

04 Jul 2018 12:52:50
Dallas adds more.

04 Jul 2018 13:07:32
The one thing I saw on the score was a 1st, 2nd Brett Ritchie, Julius Honka, and Remi Elie. Sold. Sign the papers. 8 x 11.5/ yr contract. Lehgo.

04 Jul 2018 20:59:29
No thanks, ottawa doesn't want that bum spezza. i'd rather have ryan tbh.

 


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