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20 Feb 2019 20:11:44
Carolina - Faulk and Ferland

Winnipeg - Petan. Kulikov and a 3rd and 5th rounder in 2020

Jets need a quarterback for the PP. Kulikov and Faulk have similar contracts

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20 Feb 2019 20:54:28
The Jets don't need either player. They're better off using Petan for Stone or Duchene, if they want to move him.

20 Feb 2019 21:12:32
I can't see this trade improving the Jets that much.

20 Feb 2019 21:13:35
It doesn't matter if jets need them or not, if you can get those two players for that pile of crap, the jets will pounce on it.

20 Feb 2019 21:36:11
Agree. It doesn't make the Jets better. No chance in hell the Jets consider it.

20 Feb 2019 23:11:03
I agree that if Jets made this trade they could easily flip those two players . for more than what their original package was Imo. Faulk isn’t needed but Ferland could.

20 Feb 2019 16:13:22
to Carolina
Silfverberg
Kesler

to Anaheim
2019 3rd
2019 5th

adding kesler works because carolina has room, but that devalues silfverberg enough from his already low value as a pending UFA down to a handful of picks. Anaheim gets a huge weight off their back and Carolina gets a rental for their now very likely playoff matchup.

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20 Feb 2019 17:06:34
1) i don't think they are trading silfverberg, pretty sure they are trying to sign an extension
2) is it really worth giving up one of your top players to get rid of a bad contract?

20 Feb 2019 17:13:24
Pretty positive ducks would like to extend Silfverberg so no go. However if they could move kesler then why not, itll free up lots of cap but could be tough moving him.

20 Feb 2019 18:14:40
Keer is too old and costs too much. Silfverberg isn’t worth taking on that boat anchor contract.

20 Feb 2019 10:37:38
Ottawa Senators:

•) Matt Duchene


Columbus Blue Jackets:

•) 1st Round Pick

•) Josh Anderson

•) Veini Vehvilainen

•) 3rd Round Pick (1st if Duchene Resigns)

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20 Feb 2019 16:39:58
I'd do it, another goalie prospect for the future (I'd love to see a Vehvilainen and Gustavsson combo), Josh Anderson gives them a roster player to play now and the 2 picks (potentially both first if duchene resigns) give them good picks for rebuild.

20 Feb 2019 17:14:17
Doesnt make any sense for Columbus UNLESS Panarin was already traded.

20 Feb 2019 18:17:25
Even if Panarin is traded, Columbus isn’t going to bring in another UFA. Same situation applies in Columbus as in both Ottawa and Colorado that Duchene wanted out from to begin: too much instability. Duchene doesn’t want to be on a team that is reorganizing.

20 Feb 2019 18:54:12
Good point zamboni.

20 Feb 2019 19:26:48
If they made this trade they wouldn’t trade Panarin. I think it’s a little too much though personally.

20 Feb 2019 19:41:21
Teams are probably looking into sign and trade options to not make it a rental, if it was then would be a fair trade imo.

20 Feb 2019 19:42:46
But not an extra 1st, maybe a lower draft pick with no conditions.

22 Feb 2019 15:05:08
If Duchene resigns shootsmcgee? Absolutely another first

With Gustafson already in the system there's no guarantee vehvilainen will make it big

And Columbus 1st is a mid to late pick

Jos Anderson is good but he don't make up that kind of difference on resigned Duchene

Trade is good as it with condition and all.

20 Feb 2019 05:53:55
To winnipeg
Duchene
Stone-re signs taking home town discount.


To Ottawa
2019 1st rounder
2020 2nd rounder
2020 5th rounder
Comrie
Petan
Appleton.

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20 Feb 2019 12:45:13
People have to stop with spare parts for proven talent. Just cause your team sees them as a rental doesn't lower thier value. other teams would crush this in hope of re- signing 1 if not both. If getting both, have to be 2 1sts at least.

20 Feb 2019 14:28:47
Tbh most people think they are smarter then actual GMs or over value some players ( everyone does it no matter how non bias they think they are) . And seeing these Stone trades really show it, personally I think Stone is a 1st line winger on any team in the league. Even as a rental ( with extra time to try to sign) he is worth at least a 1st rounders + at least a B+ to A level prospect and a minor roster player or AHL player. He is an amazing player.

20 Feb 2019 15:09:03
this is a pathetic offer for two star rentals lol and you think one will re-sign oh god.

20 Feb 2019 15:56:27
Where ever UFA's Stone and Duchene end up it would be interesting to see if they get a kings ransom like many posters here think they will get. Most likely they bring back draft choices, which the Sens really want and a prospect or two but not the crazy proposals that people believe the Jetswill part with. I'd agree that Comrie and draft choices will be part of the package but I would be surprised if it included more than a good B prospect.

20 Feb 2019 16:39:45
THEN YOU ARE NOT GETTING STONE OR DUCHENE you jets fans have got to be the most clueless iv ever seen regarding an offer for a STAR player its beyond bad how you legitimately think youll get a star player for crumbs.

20 Feb 2019 16:41:16
Here ya go take the two best players on our team and well gladly take two 3rd round picks and 3 guys who won't be of any impact, nice.

20 Feb 2019 17:16:09
Jets will not get Duchene or Stone unless a 1st or top prospect is included. At minimum.

20 Feb 2019 17:38:17
Islandjet the problem I’m seeing is that people think Petan is still a good B prospect, when in reality he’s not. He’s a fringe NHLer rn and probably will stay that way. He’s like Hudon in MTL can barely make the lineup and when In he’s on the 4th line. I’ll be honest I haven’t spent much time looking at the jets prospects but I do know Ottawa has a good goalie in there prospect pool so I doubt they would really want Comrie over another good prospect. And we all know there 1st is a later one but that’s what to be expected with these rental trades. I do see jets pushing for Stone and I do see them possibly paying a kings ransom for him.

20 Feb 2019 17:39:44
And you can even agree this is a bad proposal for Stone and Duchene with Stone resigning.

20 Feb 2019 18:19:33
Can’t see this one happening. At least one of Duchene or Stone would be playing third line. Winnipeg just doesn’t need those guys. They won’t be willing to pay the asking price because they would be third line players on Jets.

20 Feb 2019 18:54:36
People really over value rental player's returns based on emotion, not reality. I know Ottawa fans want to believe that they will be able to get all the pieces they need to complete their rebuild with the returns for these two players.

Unfortunately for them, they have a poor GM, that let the players get to a point where their value is the lowest.

In all likelihood the return for each one will be the historically well established maximum return of a 1st, B/ C prospect and an NHL ready player with moderate upside or a long shot player with higher upside. Then another pick conditional based on re-signing.

So, from the Jets it would be something like this: 1st, Stanley, Petan plus a conditional pick for re-signing.

20 Feb 2019 19:25:47
Its funny because 98% of the people who rip on you jets fans for your horrendous low ball offers for Stone or Duchene aren't even sens fans and we are just trying to get your brain to understand that you aren't getting a star player for bits and pieces of nothing.

20 Feb 2019 19:42:44
I find it funny how all these people who try to rip on the offers, only base their responses on emotion not reality. Maybe some of you actually believe giving away a top prospect for 2 months of a player is a good move? I don't know, but it is not based on reality.

It doesn't matter that you believe these players are gods. Rental players almost NEVER return top prospects and Stone and Duchene will be no different, especially in a buyer's market.

Go ahead and make a list of all the top prospects that have been given up for a rental. I don't think you'll get much past one.

The return is well established historically and is not near what the dreamers on this site believe.

20 Feb 2019 20:10:39
Martin erat got forsberg when he was a prospect.

20 Feb 2019 20:57:28
There you go, one example of a rental pulling a top prospect and it was an abject failure.

I think we've proven why these sky high asks are unrealistic.

20 Feb 2019 21:18:25
The fact you wouldn't risk trading Vesalainen (your top prospect), a prospect whose future is completely up in the air and potentially won't be an impact player for another 2-3 years on the jets, for a bonafide winger that increases the chances immensely to winning the stanley cup just blows my mind. And the fact you aren't even giving away any roster players either. man. The only unrealistic thing here is your own expectations for a deal.

20 Feb 2019 21:22:13
But look at this proposal no way in hell would this get both guys maybe 1 of them but not both.

20 Feb 2019 21:50:14
Notdelusional, now I see your problem. You don't have any idea who the Jets prospects are. Vesalainen well likely be playing with the Jets next year, not 2 our 3 years down the road, so you have no idea of the quality of the prospects you're talking about.

If you would be fine with your team throwing away top prospects for two months of a player that marginally (by 1 or 2%) improves your teams chances, by all means push for that position when the time comes. Smart fans and GM's though won't do it, which is why it doesn't happen.

I asked you to provide an example or two of where a top prospect was given up for a rental. I got one example that was a horrific disaster.

The fact you can't find any proves my point. Jets fans are basing their offer on reality and historically similar trades for rental players. You're expectations are entirely unrealistic and not backed by any historical precedent or examples. Just a poor understanding of the value of rental players compared to players with term.

20 Feb 2019 22:43:37
If you read what iv said before, i mention top prospect. I didn't say B or C prospects. All i'm saying is the jets will not get one of duchene or stone if a TOP prospect or 1st is not included. Also, you speak about historic and stuff when was the last time a player of value similar to Stone has been on the market prior to trade deadline, off the top of my head nobody. Stone is 26, in his prime and is a first line winger, you telling me he won't fetch a top prospect or 1st is criminal.

And i also said an impact player, not just being on the roster. But actually being a top 6 player putting up points and being productive. If you think Stone will only imporve the jets by 1-2% then you must think extremely highly of Ves. And to continue not once have i ever said Stone or whoever will get a ridiculous overpay, iv stated many times that he won't be traded unless a top prospect or a 1st is coming back in return so before going he ho on me take in mind what iv said please i don't just go on rants for no reason. i'm simply tellin you and islandjet you aren't getting a top player for bits, and history will back that up as well.

20 Feb 2019 23:18:21
So I’ll put my sense into this, notdelusional is trying to say the same thing as me, that the Jets won’t get a top player unless they are willing to part with a top prospect or 1st. And Marcus you just don’t want jets to sacrifice the farm in order for a better chance at the cup.

I agree that sending a top prospect for a rental doesn’t make much sense but if that’s the case and Jets think they can win the cup I say they do it. But in general all these posts are annoying because the only way a jets fan agrees is if it is an underwhelming offer but that won’t be the reality at all, they simply won’t get a top player and will have to settle for a lesser player then.

And besides I’m pretty positive Ottawa has had talks with Stone about an extension and only Duchene so far has been confirmed to be traded at the deadline or before. So no more Stone to jets because I don’t think it will happen. And last thing, Stone and Duchene have different values and definitely would not be traded together in one package there’s no way the other team could send back what would be necessary to complete that. So let’s stop butting heads and talk about other trade options 😂.

20 Feb 2019 23:46:23
Remember the Jets are the 2nd youngest team in the NHL with 4 or 5 A prospects NHL ready next year, if Maurice doesn't want to keep seasoning them another year, so they aren't in a desperate win now or go down hill mode. Winnipeg will not give away top prospects for a rental that in 3 years may not be as good as what posters want the Jets to trade now. Also with the Seattle draft coming soon it will be good to have younger players that will be protected by the rules of the draft.

20 Feb 2019 03:46:02
Since all the Ottawa fans think that what I've proposed so far isn't enough here we go....

OTT: Stone
WPG: 1st Round Pick 2019, Vesalainen, Conditional 3rd Round Pick 2020 (turns into a 1st if Stone resigns)

Jets then sign Stone to an 8 year $7.5M contract. At the draft they trade Ehlers for a top 5 Pick to clear salary.

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20 Feb 2019 04:30:24
He’s not getting a top 5 pick when the teams who draft those players will need those ELCs.

20 Feb 2019 15:50:32
How is he not? He’s 23, posted back to back 60+ point seasons and is under a great contract for another 6 years. If the Jets trade him for a Top 5 Pick it’s a gamble and they’re not guaranteed an impact player.

20 Feb 2019 16:44:19
Mcjesus clearly stated why lol if you read it. bottom feeder teams in the mix for a lottery pick will need those top 5 draft picks to pan out and be impactful during their ELCs, these teams don't need that cap right now.

20 Feb 2019 17:09:32
There are so many trade proposals that have the Jets giving way too much for a rental that just will not happen. Chevy is a very smart GM and is most likely looking for another very good piece or two elsewhere. If Ottawa want an unrealistic return for Stone or Duchene they can go fleece another team.

20 Feb 2019 17:16:49
^ yes.

20 Feb 2019 17:47:44
Does a team like Arizona or Edmonton want to go on the path of draft and develop? Probably not, they’ve both been doing that for how many years now. It’s time for them to move some picks for proven players.

20 Feb 2019 18:14:30
My yes was directed to notdelusional, but Jaxon you used a good example in Oilers, bcuz yes they would definitely take a proven player instead of that top 5 pick but they do not have the cap space for it, hence why I said those lottery teams need those players on their ELCs. And Arizona is no where near contending so they absolutely will not trade away their pick. They’ll stay the course and draft a player and I can’t recall any trade in the past 5-10 years that somebody traded away a top 5 pick at the draft for a player (If it’s happened then I just am not aware of it) .

20 Feb 2019 18:15:16
Edmonton is a really good example jax but like what was said before oilers will need that ELC as they don't got the cap space for Ehlers.

20 Feb 2019 18:17:02
its alright islandjet when your cryin because the jets don't get any player of significance at the deadline because they won't part with atleast a 1st or top prospect we will all be here for you. nawt.

20 Feb 2019 18:22:03
Even when trading for proven players, Edmonton and Arizona are just so bad that even the proven players end up going downhill. Lucic is perfect example of that.

20 Feb 2019 18:57:13
Zamboni that's a complete bonehead example, a perfect dumb example.

20 Feb 2019 18:58:23
No from Winnipeg. Rental players do not return top prospects. This is well established historically. Ottawa has no chance at Vesalainen for a rental.

20 Feb 2019 20:24:58
I think I would be more concerned if the Jets over-payed for any rental rather than not making a trade that cost them players for the future. Chevy is a smart GM and he will not sell the farm to get a rental.

20 Feb 2019 22:07:11
Memarcusjoe they got Gustafson for basically nothing plus Vegas ate half Brassard contract in same 3 way trade.

Also if rentals don't return top prospects you might want to tell the rest of the league that. Pittsburgh notorious for shopping top prospects for a rental shot at cup, Washington also did it with erat or did you forget the Forsberg part of that deal? Or more recently Miller and McDonagh both in their contract year getting the rangers a 1st, Howden and then some.

To say rentals don't get top prospects is laughable at best as it literally happens every year with teams who want to take a run at the cup, heck you could argue the EK to SJS trade was a season rental not that I want to use that as an example but I could.

22 Feb 2019 09:36:44
Stone is not signing for 7.5m per.

20 Feb 2019 03:34:49
NYR:
Kreider

Boston:
1st in 2019
Heinen
Vaakanainen
2nd in 2020
Conditional 3rd round pick if Boston makes the Cup final

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20 Feb 2019 18:26:25
2x1st, 2nd, plus a good roster player is too much for Kreider. Yes, he’s a great player. No, he’s not Duchene level. Kreider is more like Dzingel than Duchene.

20 Feb 2019 20:05:42
Switch out Kreider for Ottawa’s stone or Duchene then we Boston will think about it ( my opinion )

20 Feb 2019 00:56:33
friedman said habs could land duchene if MB can talk to him and resign


Habs-lekhonen-suzuki-1 st pick 2019

sens- duchene

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20 Feb 2019 03:31:58
Habs add conditional a 2nd in 2020 if Duchene re-signs if not it becomes a third in 2020.

20 Feb 2019 05:09:35
Friedman talking out his ass again.

20 Feb 2019 13:01:45
He could name every team in the league and say the same thing.

20 Feb 2019 14:14:39
That’s not enough from the habs.

20 Feb 2019 22:15:11
Definitely no where near enough from Habs of the can talk and resign him lol

kotkoniemi, a 1st 2019,

Plus either
a 1st 2020 / Suzuki
or
Habs take on smith.

21 Feb 2019 12:36:50
lol No Rambo, a signed Duchene does not get you KK and two firsts you putz.

19 Feb 2019 22:39:37
Detroit: Howard

Calgary: Conditional 2019 3rd (Becomes 2nd if they make conference finals, becomes first if they win the cup)

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20 Feb 2019 00:41:34
Thats dumb lol what if they get him and he only plays 3 games in playoffs and they win the cup? Give a 1st up for that I don’t think so. No chance a condition like that is an option lol.

20 Feb 2019 01:07:28
Is Howard going to be the starting goalie? Because otherwise those conditional picks don’t make any sense for a guy who might not play a single playoff game.

20 Feb 2019 11:56:14
I would add a played 80% of games in the playoffs to those conditions.

19 Feb 2019 09:22:51
Toronto Trades
Gardiner

Pittsburgh Trades
1st Round Pick 2019

Leafs get a 1st Round Pick to either use in a deadline trade or keep it to get this year's 1st Round Pick back.

Pittsburgh needs a Top 4 Defenceman to make a push for the Playoffs and Gardiner would fit in with there Team.

Thoughts ?

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19 Feb 2019 17:30:11
I don't think Pit does this as a pure rental. If they move Kessel out and clear space to re-sign him, I could see this from their end. TOR isn't going to trade Gardiner when they are a favorite for the cup. They need him.

20 Feb 2019 00:12:28
They aren’t the favourite for the cup they need a star RHD.

20 Feb 2019 00:42:46
You don’t need a star RHD if you have a star LHD lol.

20 Feb 2019 01:08:47
Pittsburgh is also a conference rival. If Gardiner does get traded, it will be to a team in the west.

20 Feb 2019 15:15:15
They just don’t have as good as a team as Pittsburgh or Tampa imo. If they added Karlsson they would be better imo.

20 Feb 2019 17:16:28
I think they stack up a lot better against Tampa than they do against Boston.

18 Feb 2019 09:21:57
Montreal trades: 2019 1st, Josh Brook, 2019 2nd.

Florida trades: jonathan Huberdeau.

Not sure about the offer just wanted to put something in there and see the comments.

If not what would be a good reasonable offer.

PS don't ask for Domi, Suzuki, poehling 2019 1st.

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19 Feb 2019 19:15:52
Well yeah Florida will laugh at this imo. And you also included the 2019 1st but then said don’t ask for it haha. Idk tho I don’t know what Montréal could offer idk how valuable hubby is.

19 Feb 2019 19:16:36
But if I had go get Florida would need some sort of impact player coming back not just picks and prospects.

19 Feb 2019 22:32:50
Huberdeau for Drouin + Brook? Cause realistically, you only get Huberdeau if a solid player is coming back, ie Gallagher, Drouin, etc.

19 Feb 2019 23:20:08
yikes, Huberdeau is a point per player and to think Montreal won't have to give up good players in return is foolish.

 


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