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24 Jun 2019 17:52:44
Devils: Michael McLeod, Sami Vatanen, 2021 2nd (if Vatanen is on team in April 2020 but does not re-sign)

Ducks: Cam Fowler

Gives Ducks a familiar face who is also a pending UFA and talented trade chip if they continue shipping players out in the rebuild. Also a RD to play with Lindholm. Gives Devils an LD for the top-4

Hall - Hischier - Palmieri
Bratt - Hughes - UFA (Donskoi/Connolly/Pavelski/Lee)
Zacha - Zajac - Coleman
Wood - UFA/Rooney - Hayden

Fowler - Subban
Smith - Severson
Greene - Butcher

Schneider
Blackwood

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24 Jun 2019 20:05:03
Sami Vatanen>Fowler.

24 Jun 2019 16:05:38
Toronto and Florida talking trade.

FL: Marner, Brown and Zaitsev

TOR: Ekblad and Hoffman

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24 Jun 2019 16:23:16
Marner is 22yr old elite player.
Teams only trade that if an elite player is coming back in a trade.
Hoffman or Ekblad are not elite players.

24 Jun 2019 17:14:52
Ekblad is a 23 year old, 40 point elite dman, you could argue that his value is equal to Marner, however, even if you wanted to say Marner has more value then him, looking at the other pieces of the trade than I think it works out as Hoffman>>Brown+Zaitsev. I’d say the Leafs would even have to add something small like a 2nd. I don’t think Leafs fans really understand how bad Zaitsev’s SIX YEARS remaining are.

24 Jun 2019 17:27:52
I agree. This actually looks like a fairly even deal.

24 Jun 2019 17:50:18
I would worry about making this trade from Toronto's point of view because Ekblad has had serious concussion issues.

24 Jun 2019 18:12:58
Serious concussion issues? You realize he hasn’t missed a game in his last two seasons right? I think you guys need to drop this while concussion bs as it’s clearly not an issue anymore.

24 Jun 2019 18:45:05
Pinball it cost to get a young right shot top pairing dman.

24 Jun 2019 18:53:06
Vetius would you Trade Pettersson for that package?

Marner>>Pettersson although Pettersson is fun to watch.

24 Jun 2019 21:20:12
I don't think this is that bad. This fixes a lot of things in Toronto.

24 Jun 2019 22:18:59
Why is marner better vbbb? Peterson had a better rookie year then marner did It could be argued that Pettersson rookie year was better then marners 2nd year.

24 Jun 2019 23:06:19
Elias Pettersson was given a lot more PP time and minutes in his rookie season also played with better linemates then Bozak and JVR in Boeser + who ever else while only scoring 5 points less. Pettersson isn’t even a PPG player yet he’s more comparable to Nylander then Marner. While Pettersson is obviously a lot better but Marner is someone you hope Pettersson can be.

25 Jun 2019 00:13:22
@Habby,

Marner is better because he’s a Leaf and Pettersson is a Canuck, it doesn’t matter if he had a better rookie season.

25 Jun 2019 00:52:54
I would say more like ekblad, huberdeau and a 2nd or 3rd for brown marner and Zaitsev. Leafs then get a top pairing dman a left winger while panthers get the best player in the deal (arguably I guess) and a 4/ 5 dman who isn’t bad just overpaid and a solid 3rd line winger.

25 Jun 2019 01:14:26
Marner wasn't close to a ppg player in his first 2 seasons. I see how this is it only works when comparing marner to kucherov lol.

25 Jun 2019 07:44:07
Double standard deteceted lol.

25 Jun 2019 10:33:11
Vertius Marner had more assists this season then Pettersson has points in his career.

25 Jun 2019 10:34:59
Comparing Marner to Pettersson is like Comparing Evander Kane to Milian Lucic.

25 Jun 2019 10:36:13
Ekblad for Marner is fair straight up. Especially throwing in a cap dump and a fringe bottom 6 player while Florida adds a top 6 player. No from Florida. Marner just a tad overvalued here

25 Jun 2019 13:20:56
How is Eklblad for Marner fair? Eklblads career Point total is close to Marner.

25 Jun 2019 16:42:32
Petterson has only played one season obvisouly Marner has more points than his whole career. Your saying obvious things to try and win this argument. And now your comparing a good two way D to a forward in points?

24 Jun 2019 14:42:04
Toronto Trades
Hollowell (AHL)
2nd Round Pick 2020
3rd Round Pick 2021

Vegas Trades
Miller
Gusev

I don't care what the Cap Space situation is right now for the Leafs but if it's true Vegas is trying to unload both Miller and Gusev for there own Cap reasons you pull the trigger and get them.
Zaitsev situation will be resolved before the season starts as well as Marner but if you are Dubas jump on this opportunity while you still have it.

Thoughts ?

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24 Jun 2019 15:37:39
Leafs wishful thinking.
With Gusev there is no "unloading" to do anyways, he's a FA, so VGK could just not sign him or trade his rights, that have actual value. Miller is a good D and on a good contract. Not a cap dump. Leafs pay if they want those two pieces. Pay way more than what you're proposing.

24 Jun 2019 14:38:15
Edmonton Trades
Lucic
Puljujarvi

Toronto Trades
Zaitsev
CBrown
Sparks

Both Teams get rid of there Salary Cap Space headaches Puljujarvi and Sparks get fresh starts and Edmonton gets CBrown whom they have wanted for a while.

Thoughts ?

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24 Jun 2019 16:12:03
Rather leafs add Mathews and Edmonton take out Lucic.

24 Jun 2019 14:37:39
Ottawa Trades
Boedker
Ceci
ANilsson

Toronto Trades
FGauthier
CBrown
Zaitsev
Sparks
Hollowell (AHL)

Thoughts ?

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26 Jun 2019 01:04:23
ottawa has 6 goalies under contract for next season, so if it's nilsson you're targeting make it for a draft pick or something. there wouldn't be much interest in sparks anywhere in ottawa's system.

24 Jun 2019 14:35:54
To New York Rangers - Tyson Barrie

To Colorado Avalanche - Jimmy Vesey, Anthony DeAngelo and 4th-Round Pick in 2020

Reasons : Colorado needs to spread out their scoring and they are looking to move Barrie. Rangers want to move Vesey and could improve their defence more.


Chris Kreider - Mika Zibanejad - Pavel Buchnevich

Brendan Lemieux - Vladislav Namestnikov - Kaapo Kakko

Lias Andersson - Brett Howden - Filip Chytil

Brendan Smith - Ryan Strome - Connor Brickley


Marc Staal - Jacob Trouba

Brady Skjei - Tyson Barrie

Fredrik Claesson - Kevin Shattenkirk.

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24 Jun 2019 16:14:53
Not even close and why would a bottom team want Barrie? Yes New York improved but do you really think they’re better then Tampa, Florida, Toronto, Boston, New Jersey, Pittsburgh, Washington, Philadelphia or even Buffalo/ Montreal? No way they make the playoffs. Even with Barrie.

24 Jun 2019 10:33:51
Toronto: Zaitsev,Lilijegreen, 2rd2019

MTL: 7 Rd pick

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24 Jun 2019 12:40:49
no way toronto trades one of their top prospects AND a 2nd to a rival team just to get rid of Zaitsev's contract only to get a 7th round draft pick back.

24 Jun 2019 16:15:33
Montreal is not going to be a team to take Zaitsev and the 2nd rd pick is redundant.

24 Jun 2019 04:52:13
To Toronto Maple Leafs - Nazem Kadri, Nikita Zaitsev & 2020 1st-Round Pick
To Colorado Avalanche - Tyson Barrie

To Toronto Maple Leafs - Jesse Puljujärvi
To Edmonton Oilers - Timothy Liljegren

To Toronto Maple Leafs - Oliver Kylington
To Calgary Flames - Connor Brown



Zach Hyman - John Tavares - Mitch Marner

Andreas Johnsson - Auston Matthews - Jesse Puljujärvi

Tyler Ennis - William Nylander - Kasperi Kapanen

Trevor Moore - Frederik Gauthier - Nic Petan


Morgan Rielly - Tyson Barrie

Jake Muzzin - Travis Dermott

Oliver Kylington - Rasmus Sandin

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24 Jun 2019 05:58:24
First trade seems almost fair, but I feel both teams say no.

Second seems alright, but only if Toronto and Edmonton believe they can help them along better.

Third one Calgary says no. They have enough 3rd and 4th liners. Would rather keep the d-man and see where he goes.

24 Jun 2019 16:18:16
How do you go from Vesey ( 3rd liner ), Deangelo ( 6th dman and a 4th to Kadri ( 2C ), Zaitsev ( cap dump but better then Deangelo ) And 1st which the leafs don’t even have for Barrie.

23 Jun 2019 23:51:35
MTL Sign: Anders lee ,Lehkonen , Mrazek

To EDM:
Drouin, reilly ,alzner, byron
To MTL:
Nurse,Pulujarvis, lucic ..Maybe add round pick?

Trade hudon,peca,armia,deslaurier and lindgren ..to any team for round picks for next year draft in Mtl

Domi danault Gallagher
Lee poehling caufield
Tatar kk pulujarvis
Lehkonen shaw Lucic ....Thompson/weal

Nurse weber
Mete petry
Kulak folin ...juulsen

Mtl get the young LHD they need in Nurse and maybe give a fresh start to pulujarvis on the 3rd with KK. Lucic is a risk but with the right place on the last line with blocking shots missions giving hard checks and be in front of the net,I can see him fits.


EDM get Drouin to play with mcdavid pushing back Draisaitl on the second line and à good 3rd line player with speed in Byron

Thoughts??

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23 Jun 2019 22:18:08
In my last post I showed how the leafs could potentially fit Marner in and improve their defence. But if the leafs decide to let Marner go this is what I'd like to see.

Obviously Marner is extremely valuable and is a top 5 U23 player in the game. 94 points as a 22 year old. Kucherov didn't come close to that at his 22 year old season there is no reason to believe by the time he's 25 he won't be as good as Kucherov I personally believe he'll be better and I'm sure I'm not the only one. It'll take a lot to pry him away.

Teams I'd match an offer sheet that have the cap space are- New Jersey, Florida, Montreal, Islanders And Colorado

Teams I'd take the compensation of 4 1st round picks from- Arizona, Columbus, Detroit and Ottawa

A trade I'd personally take

Toronto- Mitch Marner And Nikita Zaitsev

New York- Noah Dobson, Joshua Ho Sang, Ryan Pulock and 1st 2020

This trade drastically improves the leafs defence and cap situation while New York gets a star who will have multiple 100 point seasons.

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24 Jun 2019 00:05:11
Vbbb, do you really like Ho Sang that much, that you would want him as part of a deal for Marner?

If the Islanders know you’re trading Marner because you can’t afford him, I doubt you’d get all 4 of those pieces. I think the max you would get is 2 of the 4. Considering the Islanders also have to pay Marner 11 million. You would also need to keep Zaitsev as I don’t think the Islanders would take on that contract knowing what they’ll have to pay Marner.

If you want to say the Islanders are dealing in good faith and just really want Marner, I think the max you would get is 3 of the 4 pieces. I just don’t see the Islanders giving up both Pullock and Dobson in the same deal and you would need to still keep Zaitsev.

24 Jun 2019 01:31:59
I'd say no from Isles.

24 Jun 2019 02:32:01
Of the team's you would let Marner sign an offersheet with, I don't think any of them will submit one because they will be lottery picks ( Columbus is the only one who might take that risk)

Also, Marner has to sign the offersheet to go to those teams. He may want nothing to do with Sens, Jackets, Coyotes or Wings.

In terms of that trade, I don't think Isles do it because Defense is still an area they need depth on.

24 Jun 2019 02:34:41
On a Red Wings note, we won't be sending an offer sheet for Marner.

I don't expect us to send an offer sheet at all.

However if we do, we will be targetting Trouba or Point. We need C and D more than a winger.

24 Jun 2019 02:44:56
I wouldn't trade Marner. Would trade Nylander/Matthews before Marner

24 Jun 2019 06:32:49
Alright, I'll sit here and wait for Marner to get 130+ pts by age 25. You're insane, VB. THe age 22 comparison is bs and several people already explained this to you on this website - if you'd listen, you'd know.

24 Jun 2019 13:03:49
Kucherov is amazing but he’s better imo I think he’ll be known as top 3 player in the game when he’s 25 I’m not sure why you don’t see that he’s more dynamic then Mathews it’s really not a controversial statement. Some debut to it I guess but it’s obtainable for him if he dosent score 130 by 3 years into the NHL I’ll apologize.

Also for me Dobson would be the sticking point for me in this trade I’d demand him. I think this trade makes the Islanders a better team.

Also Datsyuk_13 that’s the point if one of those teams are stupid enough to send an offer sheet I would not match.

24 Jun 2019 14:31:06
Marner is a star, no denying that. He also played a minute and a half a game more than Kucherov during their respective age 22 seasons, 5 extra shifts a game, and had a superstar on his line in Tavares while Kucherov had Johnson and Palat. Could Marner be better than Kucherov? Maybe but in my opinion its far from the guarantee you think it is. I don't know how realistic it is to expect someone to get more than the 1.56 ppg Kucherov did this year. They are on a very similar development path but i'm not sure Marner is going to see the same development here on out without really having any extra opportunity to move in to, he's already playing 20 min a game, with PP time and has a superstar center. Not saying he will plateu, but at the same age Kucherov still had room to improve in TOI, linemates, and PP time and took advantage of it.

24 Jun 2019 15:39:51
Also, looks like Kucherov could be 1.5-2M less in cap space which means a lot these days.

24 Jun 2019 15:41:21
Very good points made by jbs32.
Also I 100% agree on Marner being better than Matthews. That's why the AM contract is so bad for TOR. That's the contract Marner should've gotten, if anyone.
"You think he (Marner) will be known as a top 3 player by the age of 25?" Well guess what, Kucherov IS known as a top 3 player at age 25.
We'll see whether that will be the case with Marner, personally, I doubt it. Rather top 20, which is still elite, obv, no one is denying that.

24 Jun 2019 15:52:56
You can't compare marner to kuch they style of play is completely different.

24 Jun 2019 16:29:56
valid points not a lot can be argued aside from Natural growth and Maturity of Marner. Also Marner is also a better defensive player then Kucherov I don’t think I’ve seen Kucherov on the PK before where as Marner is the best PKer on the leafs aside from Hyman. Also the leafs PP this year was trash they have the Talent for a top 3 PP and if the PP were better he could’ve easily hit the 110 mark for points this Season 16 more PP points aren’t unrealistic imo.

Also not comparing their styles just overall impact in hockey Marner is more comparable to Patrick Kane.

24 Jun 2019 16:35:45
Gotta be honest you guys comparing Matthews and his contract to Marner are really doing a disservice to your perceived hockey IQ. Matthews at centre is far more difficult and a far more important position than a winger, and the pay should reflect that. You’re comparing apples to oranges. Might as well compare Marner’s upcoming contract to Freddy Andersen’s as it makes about as much sense.

 


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