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15 Sep 2018 21:50:22
Mtl- weber-tatar

Tor- nylander-kadri

Mtl- price-byron


Fla- mathesson-bjustad-luongo

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16 Sep 2018 02:07:09
toronto says no in the first one and i think the second one is a poor one from montreal's standpoint.

16 Sep 2018 03:05:08
That is horrifyingly bad for Toronto.

16 Sep 2018 07:10:49
But vbb you've been so high praise for Weber market haven't you. Legit #1 D man and all, tops in the league.

16 Sep 2018 12:25:00
I love Weber but not at the Price of Nylander and espically not Kadri. Tatar has zero value to the leafs.

16 Sep 2018 17:15:03
How does Tatar have 0 value to the leafs?!?!

18 Sep 2018 16:13:27
He still brings 20-25 goals and at under 5 million you would think he was worth something to the leads lol.

15 Sep 2018 02:08:51
Jets logan stanley Roslovic


Ottawa duchene

Connor sheiflle wheeler
Ehler duchene laine
Pourle little copp


Morrisly trouba
Niku bufflyn
Cheriot myers

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15 Sep 2018 08:54:11
No thanks from Winnipeg. The Jets won't be able to afford Duchene next year and I wouldn't want to give up Roslovic for one year of Duchene.

15 Sep 2018 15:58:02
This trade only hurts the Jets long term. Duchene is not a superstar or a game changing centre that is signed long term at a reasonable contract, but a good #2 centre that will wan't way more $ than he will be worth. The Jets don't go near this trade and keep the money to help sign next years players that need new contracts.

15 Sep 2018 16:07:36
There is no way Dorion could get that good of a return for Duchene.

15 Sep 2018 19:16:33
You guys have got to stop posting Trades for Jets players. They are gold and would take massive overpayments and even then these hinders will still find a way to say it's not good enough.

15 Sep 2018 21:23:35
Homers*

Complete homers.

16 Sep 2018 00:31:14
Yupp How about Duchene to the Oilers for Puljujarvi and Bouchard? Duchene to the Leafs for Nylander and Liljegren sounds fair.

16 Sep 2018 01:25:56
But both those pairings are better than this Jets pairing of players in this proposed posted trade 🤔🤔.

16 Sep 2018 02:10:21
Wouldn’t that be closer to say Khaira or Strome and Jones? Absolutely not Puljujarvi and Bouchard. Lol.

16 Sep 2018 03:03:38
Yes, please stop with terrible proposals for Jets players.

16 Sep 2018 03:38:17
Neither of the Jets players are compareble to pool party or Bouchard if we’re goinf off draft selections so that’s pretty dumb comment.

16 Sep 2018 07:11:26
Hahahaha.

16 Sep 2018 13:55:47
‘Nylander and liljegren’


Hahahahahahahhahahah.

16 Sep 2018 14:28:14
Ive agreed with the Jets fans a few times in terms of the deal just not making sense for Winnipeg but it’s getting bad guys. You’re not supposed to get better now and in the future in a trade if you do the other team screwed up. Typically going to have to trade now for future or future for now. They should be looking to trade a bit of future to solidify now.

14 Sep 2018 21:15:40
Tor) Nylander
Stl) Parayko

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14 Sep 2018 21:52:26
I like Nylander, but, Parayko has more value straight up. A RHD like him on a good contract is more valuable than a winger.

14 Sep 2018 22:11:34
That’s the Dman I would want for Nylander. A lot better fit than Stephen Johns and P. K. subban on opposite ends of the spectrum lol. That being said, Yupp is right and blues would want something more. Depending what the add was, it might not make sense for leafs anymore. They love their team, with Nylander on it. If he doesn’t work out then they would be happy to get a stud Dman obviously as long as it doesn’t remove more pieces from the curerent roster and create multiple holes to fill one.

14 Sep 2018 22:55:48
That would be the d man I’d want too. No way StLouis trades him unless it’s a massive overpayment.

14 Sep 2018 23:25:10
I'm not sure the blues would actually want more but I don't think they make this move right now due to the fact they have pretty good forward depth and are probably banking on Thomas and kyrou to add to that. trading parayko leaves them with a big hole on d where they are not as stacked as they are at forward. If I'm the leafs and the blues some way want to trade paryako I don't add much if anything nylander for parayko ( depending on nylanders new contract) is pretty fair value wise.

14 Sep 2018 02:39:54
Toronto to sign and trade William Nylander.

NSH: William Nylander and Jake Gardiner

TOR: P.K. Subban and 2rd pk in 2019

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14 Sep 2018 06:27:42
I would think Nashville would want more than that. A UFA and a decent winger doesn't get you a top flight defenseman, especially if Nashville has to throw in a pick.

14 Sep 2018 07:18:59
The leafs can’t afford his contract. Nylander is a little above decent Joe, unless you consider the “Winnipeg untouchables”, Ehlers and Connor decent.

14 Sep 2018 12:39:34
Nylander= “ decent winger” lol what?

14 Sep 2018 14:56:03
Sorry guys. I didn't mean "decent" as an insult. I just meant that there is no way Nylander is the main piece if you're going after Subban. Just like Ehlers wouldn't be.

14 Sep 2018 16:02:58
Then what would be? Someoje like Laine? No way.

14 Sep 2018 17:20:34
In terms of value, ignoring team needs, I would say it would need to be a very good center or defenseman, plus picks or prospects depending on who the main piece is. Wingers just don't carry the value in general to land a top defenseman, simply because it is far easier to find a good winger than it is a top defenseman. Especially a right handed one.

14 Sep 2018 17:31:20
Subban isn’t the D I’d want to bring in anyway. Makes a ton of money, and I think drama follows him, whether it be his fault or not. Big personality and that rubs people the wrong way sometimes.

If we could get him cheap assets wise, and he didn’t make $9 mill, then it might be worth the risk but that just won’t happen. However to give up good assets, pay him that kind of money and risk dressing room issues, no thanks.

14 Sep 2018 18:06:53
I can understand that. I don't really see why the Leafs would want to target Subban. He would kill your salary cap moving forward.

14 Sep 2018 20:34:39
Nah, i relatively think a guy like subban wouldn't pull a laine/ matthews/ barzal type guy. I just can't see it. It would havr to be a Nylander/ Ehlers esque player.

14 Sep 2018 22:15:16
I think subban is in that ehlers/ Nylander class as well value wise, then add on the RHD premium over a winger and he probably gets a slightly better return. But definitely not laine/ matthews type players lol that’s just not going to happen. Both those guys could score 50 goals and are 20/ 21 years old. No way a really good 29 year old Dman making $9mill gets you that lol.

13 Sep 2018 20:37:55
All along I said the leafs wouldn't trade Nylander but I'm taking that back now by contradicting myself and putting my bias aside with this realistic Nylander proposal.

Any Nylander deal would need to meet this Critera.

A. Western Conference team

B. Low salary coming back

C. A RHD

Side note- apparently the Leafs were talking about Paryanko with stl but that's a pipe dream

Dallas acquires- William Nylander

Leafs acquire- Stephan Jones, 1st round 2019 and 2nd round 2020

Leafs- they'll have to move him for something. Jones could be good with Rielly.

Dallas- gets a 21 year old 1st line winger/ possible C who has potential to be a +PPG-guy

What do you guys think?

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13 Sep 2018 20:52:09
What would you think about an offer sheet which gives the leafs a 1st 2nd and a 3rd?

13 Sep 2018 21:03:54
Leafs don’t need picks, although then they could trade one of their firsts for like Eberle to replace Nylander.

13 Sep 2018 21:04:06
I don't think stephan johns should be the centrepiece of a deal involving nylander. Leafs could get a much better player back then him.

13 Sep 2018 21:22:20
Don't worry buddy. We already know you over exaggerate all the time and then back peddle.
Dubas himself has said they will sign the three, Nylander, Marner and Mathews no worries tho.

13 Sep 2018 21:23:26
It’s Johns not Jones but I think leafs can get a better offer than that if they are trading away Nylander.

13 Sep 2018 21:33:24
You’d think they would get an better offer but the Leafs don’t have any leverage whatsoever so if a underwhelming deal like this occurs I will not be suprised and I won’t be disappointed in Dubas or any of the Leafs management.

Just a little FYI to everyone stars never get fair value.

13 Sep 2018 22:07:52
Guys enough about Nylander.

Can we get back to making fun of Rambo for how wrong he was (again) about Karlsson?

13 Sep 2018 22:27:39
@Habby I would rather see the leafs match it.

13 Sep 2018 22:35:55
Nylander is not a star yet. But that being said he should get fair value in a trade. karllson pacioretty skinner etc are all in different situation and point of there careers then nylander. Nylander is an Rfa which means he be under the control of the team that gets him. They could decide which contract route they wanted to go. Plus he's still developing and will most likely get better over the next few years. The star players who you were referring to are already in or maybe even slightest past there prime.

13 Sep 2018 22:37:57
Vbbb what about if it was montreal doing the offer sheet?

13 Sep 2018 23:22:29
Why do you think leafs don’t have any leverage?! Lol they own his NHL rights till he’s 27. He’s 21. He needs them far more than they need him they have plenty of capable, albeit not as good as him, wingers who would kiss ass for a chance to play with Matthews and pad their stats.

He doesn’t have another NHL team to play for unless leafs allow him to. His rights are very restricted, hence him being called a Restricted Free Agent lol. If he is demanding a contract that throws the pay scale of this roster out of whack, then I’m fine with seeing what type of a Dman they could get for him. But when the answer comes back and it’s Stephen Johns, I’m going a different route lol

This $8mill ask could be him starting really high because leafs went low. Or it could be just BS since it’s apparently from an unnamed western conference executive. Pasternak is a close comparison in age, position, draft and has better production so far. He’s $6.67mill. Monaghan, gaudreau, Scheifele, mackinnon, Larkin, Ehlers all got between $6 and $6.7 mill off their entry level deal. He’s in the middle of that pack at best. Those deals are all a year or 2 old so give him the benefit of the added cap increase and he’s a $6.5-6.75 player. I will bet he signs in Toronto in the next week to 10 days for about $6.5 mill.

13 Sep 2018 23:40:12
Toronto dosent have much leverage because if he holds out and dosent sign when the season starts his value drops drastically.

13 Sep 2018 23:41:35
And in that case I wouldn’t match Montreal’s pick could be a huge payoff. + leafs can’t afford the money the leafs would give up.

13 Sep 2018 23:58:32
From what I read he has the same agent as Gaudreau who also held out as long as possible and the agent is known for this. I guess Nylander’s dad is involved in the negotiations and he was known for holding out as well. He is obviously not as good as Pastrnak and Kucherov, so if he wants to play hardball, trade him. Won’t they just settle on a bridge deal?

14 Sep 2018 00:12:13
Yeah I think he resigns too.

14 Sep 2018 02:55:34
Leafs17, you’re right. The agent is the same one that he gaudreau moss allnof camp and he still got $6.75 mill. His original ask was $8mill aswell. He also represented Saad with Chicago and they got tired of the demands and traded him. They went and got him back wth the big salary a year later, but it just shows that there’s still multiple possible outcomes. But again, I bet he signs. Most likely 6-8 years at $6.5 mill. Possibly 2-3 years at $5 mill or so like kucherov did and then hope to cash in for $8 mill after.

14 Sep 2018 20:11:37
Also it’s easy to sit out during camp. I’m sure he’s missing being a part of camp and seeing the guys etc already. But he can hold out and miss pre-season games, you don’t get paid for them. But once the season starts, at $6.5mill salary that I believe is close to the offer, he loses out on $80,000 a game. That money, even if he signs the next morning, is gone forever. So missing 15 games is almost $1.25mill. If money is your issue, it’s pretty foolish to burn that off the start. That’s why I don’t believe camp finishes before Nylander signs.

15 Sep 2018 05:45:34
Dubas sounded confident that he will sign the big three. Starting to wonder now. Maybe willie changed his mind i see no other reason. Willy should be signed by now there must be more to it.

15 Sep 2018 17:00:18
I can see Nylanders problem with it. It’s great to have 3 young stars, try to keep them all and ask them all to buy in and take a little less.

But if you’re the first guy up, you’re in a hard spot. If he feels he’s worth $7.25-7.5 but is asked to take $6-6.5 and does it for the good of the team, how would he feel if next year marner and Matthews don’t take the discount and go for $9.5 and $13 mill. He looks like a fool for 6 or 7 years. Maybe the plan was to have all 3 buy in and sign extensions this summer and the other 2 want to play out their last year, forcing Nylander to look after himself first.

15 Sep 2018 21:17:21
I'm willing to bet at least 95% of the time players don't even consider taking less money just to keep a group of players together. i think it might happen occasionally in sports with older guys who have seen 1 st hand how hard it is to win a championship. But very very rarely. Also I wouldn't be suprised if dubas has even talked to nylander about a new contract almost all tines these discussions involve management and the players agent. And almost every time the agent is trying to get the highest contract possible. I can't say for sure because I don't know for sure what's going on but I'm willing to bet if leafs management and nylander had sat down together without an agent involved there would be a contract signed by now.

13 Sep 2018 19:33:17
Eric Karlsson to SJS! Confirmed trade.

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13 Sep 2018 19:45:56
Hahaha oh man. I can't wait to see Rambo try and spin this.

13 Sep 2018 19:45:56
Sens get an additional 1st rounder in the deal of Karlsson plays for an eastern conference team this season lol love how they had to protect themselves after sharks already schooled them with Hoffman!

Not a bad haul tho.

13 Sep 2018 19:46:50
Definitely not Braden Point, Sergachev, 2 firsts and taking bobby Ryan with him tho, right Rambo?

13 Sep 2018 19:48:27
Karlsson for Norris+1st+2nd+Balcers+Tierney+DeMelo and conditional picks. that's a lot of pieces, but the big value lies in Norris, Balcers and the 1st. Tierney and Demelo are just fillers and a 2nd is a 2nd

Quite a step down from NBRs cries of ‘Boeser + Hughes + VANS 1st’. VANS 1 > SJS 1, Hughes >>>>> Norris and Boeser>>>>>>everything else.

lol @NBR wya now?

13 Sep 2018 20:08:05
Looks like they were going after Timo Meier and that didn't work out.
Also, the 1st is conditional - SJS has to make it to the finals or it goes to a 2nd i think.

13 Sep 2018 20:25:02
HAHAHAHAHAHA what was that Rambo? Hughes and two firsts or Boeser, Hughes and a first for Karlsson?!?! HAHA you’re clueless. You’re always so arrogant on here like you know everything yet every time you say a player will get this or get that he never does. You know nothing.

13 Sep 2018 20:31:12
I wonder is Rambone will ever comment on it or not.
Yet another homer absolutely wrong of his evaluations.
Colt and Shattenkirk was another classic.

13 Sep 2018 21:23:19
It's so funny they needed to throw that conditional pick in.

San Jose burned them on the Hoffman deal so now they have to cover their ass this time.

13 Sep 2018 21:24:33
Man Ottawa just has not had any luck with trades this year. Pretty brutal imo UNREAL for sharks.

13 Sep 2018 21:53:03
E. Kane and Karlsson are unreal additions.
Karlsson, Burns, Vlasic, Pavelski, Couture, Kane, Thornton.
****. They are the favorites in pacific no questions. And just jumped into the top of the league talks with Nashville, Winnipeg and Tampa.

13 Sep 2018 22:03:16
Awful trade for Ottawa. Quantity over quality by far. Not one high end prospect in return. Plus if you look at the Duschene trade and compare what they paid vs the return on Karlsson, it’s is completely awful value in return. Another bad move by Dorion. Not saying one of the prospects or picks turns out but that’s a lot of risk for an elite top pairing defenceman.

13 Sep 2018 23:28:45
Potentially it’s Norris, Tierney, Demelo Balcans, 3 1st rounders and 2nd.

However for the Senators to get that package, Sharks would have to sign him to an extension, trade him to an eastern Conference team at the deadline and then make the Stanley Cup final lol.

13 Sep 2018 23:56:32
We won’t hear from Rambo until he’s telling us what package Stone will bring in.

14 Sep 2018 00:04:26
Shattenkirk got a first a prospect and conditional pick.

That 1st pick turned into schenn. can't argue with those results.

14 Sep 2018 04:12:55
I said it superstars like Karlsson don’t actually bring much back because no matter what you get it’ll never amount up to what you gave up. Look at the Gretzky, Roy and Jagr trades none got back mush significans compared to what they were.

14 Sep 2018 12:17:18
Habs legit got a better return for Patch than Ottawa had for Carlson

Damn Sens got fleeced bigtime unless Karlesson doesn't resign in San Jose.

13 Sep 2018 15:37:19
With stingy Steve Yzerman off the reigns, I see a more comparable ott Tampa trade happening for Erik Karlsson.

Tampa: EK (EXTENSION)

Ott: Sergachev + Cirelli + Raddysh

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13 Sep 2018 15:55:08
If Tampa wanted to trade Sergachev for Karlsson it would’ve been done already.

13 Sep 2018 16:13:23
The GM has changed so maybe Tampas needs have changed.

13 Sep 2018 17:23:50
no pending ufa is worth sergachev and radyish. I know i spelt it wrong in a hurry.

13 Sep 2018 19:33:35
Lmao. Delusional.

13 Sep 2018 14:47:39
So if the rumours are true that Nylander wants 8 mill, then he needs to go, and the leafs will need to find a good replacement for him
Well, if Columbus is going to get anything back for Panarin, it's now

To Columbus:
Nylander, Gardiner (5 year extension)
To Leafs:
Savard, Panarin (2 year extension)

This would allow Columbus to sign Nylander long term to replace Panarin and give the leafs someone to replace Nylander until another solution presents itself
Do the leafs need to give up more?
Do they give up too much?
Would Columbus be ok with this?

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13 Sep 2018 17:44:28
Leafs win big as of today, depends what savard is long term in a few years. If nylander wants 8 mil, he'll be sitting out the season.

13 Sep 2018 20:02:32
Why trade him and take back panarin?! He’s not going to take less than $8 mill either, he’s older and closer to UFA. Nylander has very little leverage for 5 more years.

IF his ask is actually $8mill, I see that coming down. And if it doesn’t, we have Kapanen, Johnsson, and brown to play in his spot for penny’s. They aren’t as good as Nylander, I understand. But they will be playing with Matthews and Marleau. They will contribute just fine.

Then you trade Nylander for a good young D and move on. Trading a young winger for demanding $8 million for an older winger who will want $8.5 mill + makes zero sense when we are stacked with offense and the only weak spot on a solid team is D.

13 Sep 2018 21:55:57
Well coming as a leafs fan, the trade is done so we can then flip Panarin for an upcoming star like DeBrincat (just an example) so we can keep our young core intact.

12 Sep 2018 23:47:33
At the June 2019 Draft.

WPG: Trouba
NYI: Dobson, 1st Round Pick 2019

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13 Sep 2018 03:38:36
So no from islanders. Lol.

13 Sep 2018 05:24:20
Another trade that doesn't help a contending team like the Jets at all. It would need to be a roster defenseman and/ or Dobson or the pick depending on the roster player. The Jets can't afford to give away a top pairing defenseman for a player who may never be as good and a pick.

Every one here will whine about Dobson's draft position, but a 12thOA pick isn't a lock to turn into a top pairing defenseman, just look at Nurse.

13 Sep 2018 15:45:52
This could look good for the Jets at the trade deadline if they can't resign Trouba and Dobson continues to develop his game. I still believe that there would be over 1/ 2 the teams in the NHL that would make the Jets a serious trade package for Trouba, and he could be worth more than this offer.

13 Sep 2018 21:25:35
I still don’t understand how and why you guys believe Trouba is worth so much.

13 Sep 2018 21:37:43
@McJesus, young, top pairing RHD is the hardest thing to find in the NHL along with 1C. That's why Trouba would be expensive to acquire.

12 Sep 2018 22:10:05
Dallas: Karlsson (signed long term)

Ottawa: Heiskanen, Oettinger, 1st rounder,

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12 Sep 2018 23:26:23
Long term idk if that’s even enough 🤷🏼‍♂️.

 


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