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12 Sep 2018 20:17:10
to Columbus
Morrissey
1st

to Winnipeg
Jones

Adding Trouba's old pal Seth Jones may be the best thing Winnipeg could do to keep him. Obviously, though, they will have to give up an awful lot to get him.

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12 Sep 2018 20:41:35
No thanks from Columbus yikes.

12 Sep 2018 21:08:49
Jones is a RHD, and the jets don’t need more RHD, If the jets get Werenski and Trouba goes to Columbus, maybe you can get a conversation started and add a few things on both sides, Jones wouldn’t be the same on the left side, Neither would Trouba

Winnipeg D Lines
Werenski/ Big Buff
Morrisey/ Myers
Kulikov/ camp battles spot

Columbus D lines
Nuitivarra/ Jones
Murray/ Trouba
Carlsson/ Savard

Obviously there are more pieces, especially if Werenski doesn’t start the season healthy, but this is a start, they both have been injured and both teams could trade later on to improve if they have to, it all works out.

12 Sep 2018 21:14:31
I can't see CLB moving Jones for that. Morrissey is good, but CLB would want more than a late first to make the swap.

12 Sep 2018 21:53:59
Most people don't see Morrissey enough to really see how good a d-man he is. He's a 23 year old #1 shut down left shot d-man on the #2 team in the NHL. He is that good. I hope the Jets lock him up for 8 years. I really can't see the Jets ever trading him in the near future. Trouba on the other hand will be gone at the draft if he doesn't sign a long term deal with the Jets.

12 Sep 2018 22:10:00
CLB isn't trading either Jones or Werenski.

12 Sep 2018 22:48:31
Jones is definitely the most valuable dman in the NHL when considering 2 way play, age and Contract. Don’t think Columbus would consider a Liane And Trouba package for Jones.

It would require a Piece like Mathews+ for Jones ( overpayment ) .

12 Sep 2018 23:15:51
Morrisey is good but he's not on the same level as jones and a late 1st rounder doesn't even come close to making up the difference.

13 Sep 2018 01:16:49
Here comes vb to make another stupid statement that’s no where near true. If Columbus was offered Laine and Trouba for Jones they’d take that in a second you’re honestly a dunce.

13 Sep 2018 06:27:20
but adding panarin with Jones and adding laine and trouba is close, with some small details,

13 Sep 2018 11:13:29
You guys drastically underate Jones. Jones=Dahlin value wise.

13 Sep 2018 14:35:39
Haha jets fans are funny, when y’all turn into Toronto?

12 Sep 2018 17:31:23
As you can all tell I am obviously a leafs fan, but I was wondering if something like this could happen

To Ottawa:
Trouba, 2019 1st, Petan, retain 1.3 mill of Ceci's contract
To Winnipeg:
Duchene, Ceci, 2019 3rd, 2020 4th

This would definitely help Winnipeg and give Ottawa something with value back for Duchene, and something to kind of eas the pain of trading Karlsson later on, it would get them 2 first rounders at absolute minimum in the end to make up for their lost first
I added Ceci in the trade just so Winnipeg has a backup plan in case Myers goes to FA next summer, although his cap is something they may want to lower so they ask Ottawa to retain around 1.3 mill of his salary
I don't think Duchene plays on re-signing in Ottawa anyway so this may be a trade where they can actually get something for him

Thoughts?

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12 Sep 2018 18:12:53
No interest from Winnipeg. The Jets won't be able to afford to resign Duchene and trading Trouba this year makes the Jets worse. There is just no incentive there for the Jets to do this.

12 Sep 2018 18:29:12
Why would the Jets trade for a UFA in Duchene and a RFA in Ceci. The Jets have enough of their own players to sign and they don't need to trade for Duchene who will leave at the end of the season because he will want $8+ mil and the Jets will have better use for that money. They already have an arbitration headache in Trouba so why down grade and trade for another one in Ceci? Then for this they give up a piece of their future in a first round pick. They have the chemistry and internal pieces to make a deep run for the cup and two unhappy perennial losers won't do much to increase the Jets chances. The Jets aren't in business to improve the Sens future.

12 Sep 2018 18:32:18
Trouba wouldn't want to be in Ottawa over Winnipeg. Lol.

12 Sep 2018 18:44:31
@islandjet
That is my point, this is a short term solution for the Jets until they can find someone else who they can bring in, they don’t have to re-sign Duchene, and Trouba is replaced by Ceci, who won’t cost as much and who won’t be a huge d**k when it comes to RFA like Trouba was, and won’t cost as much so they have more money to re-sign Myers, Morrisey and other pending UFA and RFA, they still have about 10 mill in space without LTIR so they can 100% do this.
Oh and one more thing, there is no way Duchene is getting more then 7 mill, he had less points then Nylander and Nylander is going to get at max 7, I just don’t see it happening

@memarcusjoe
The Jets are stupid stacked on right side defence, they downgrade that to upgrade their center, if they want a center it’s going to cost Trouba or Myers, just like if the leafs want Parayko it will cost Nylander, they have the depth so 100% they can do it, it’s just a question of who they target
Again they don’t have to re-sign Duchene, it’s a short term solution until they can find something else.

12 Sep 2018 19:32:08
The Jets are stacked on the right side. now, but of their next 4 top d-man prospects in Niku, Stanley, Poolman and Samberg only Poolman is a right shot. If the Jets can't re-sign Trouba and had to trade him at the draft, which would be hastened with the re-signing of Myers or the development of Poolman, they would want another top 1/ 2 d-man, or a couple of #1 draft choices, or a couple of A prospects. Duchene and Ceci don't fit the bill long term and are potential re-signing headaches.

12 Sep 2018 20:31:04
@themostleaf33,
The extra 15 points Duchene brings over Little isn't worth losing a top pairing RHD and replacing him with Cici. This trade makes the Jets worse this year just like the RNH trade below.

12 Sep 2018 22:08:03
Are the Jets that in need of centres?

12 Sep 2018 22:30:36
Delusional the Jets have Scheifele, Little, Lowry, Roslovic Petan, Perreault that are NHL ready and Spacek McKenzie, Harkins and Stallard that are a couple years away. Just because the Jets didn't resign Stastny doesn't mean they are desperate for a center. They didn't sign free agents as they now have a lot of internal depth at every position.

12 Sep 2018 23:09:43
Delusional,
Nope not at all. Duchene would be great, but would be a luxury, not a need. Definitely not worth giving up half of our top pairing for.

12 Sep 2018 03:39:52
Jets trade Trouba, Petan and Lemieux to

Edmonton

for

Nurse and Nugent-Hopkins

Oilers get cap space and 2 young affordable NHL’ers and if Trouba doesn’t sign with EDM flip him for a nice package.

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12 Sep 2018 05:16:49
Lol. Noooo.

12 Sep 2018 05:33:02
Dont think pecan and lemieux make up for nuge.

12 Sep 2018 06:49:11
No from oil.

12 Sep 2018 15:06:28
No from both teams.

12 Sep 2018 15:53:24
Lmao this is a hell Fukin yes from Winnipeg. Wow.

12 Sep 2018 15:57:09
As I've said before, Trouba won't be traded before the end of the season. Also, RNH and his contract is not worth the downgrade from Trouba to Nurse.

12 Sep 2018 16:52:13
What am i reading? Jets would take this 100%.
Oilers would never accept that offer though.

12 Sep 2018 18:16:46
apparently if you’re a Winnipeg fan you have 0 brain cells.

12 Sep 2018 18:17:18
TT, why would the Jets do this? RNH would be a luxury, not a need and the downgrade from Trouba to Nurse would hurt the Jets far more than RNH would help. The Jets are contending now and this trade makes the Jets worse.

You need to consider team needs in a trade. There is no reason for the Jets to do this.

12 Sep 2018 18:33:24
Wow. Crazy jets homers. Lol.

12 Sep 2018 20:35:56
So, the Jets fans are homers, yet no one can tell us how this makes the Jets better. RNH produces about the same as Little, is worse defensively and has a bad contract. Plus to take on him we also have to take a large downgrade from Trouba to Nurse.

So, please detail how this makes the Jets better this year.

This should be fun!

12 Sep 2018 22:43:40
memarcusjoe sometimes its a waste of time and energy asking certain posters to explain why they thing the Jets wouldn't do sill trade proposals. They think the Jets will be happy to take other teams headaches off their hands for the Jets proven good players. The Jets don't make stupid trades, toy with their chemistry or sign free agents to crazy contracts. That is why the Jets are the #2 ranked team in the NHL, with a deep prospect pool that makes them a favorite to win the cup. Let the bottom feeders post silly uneducated reply's as to why the Jets should make trades that only the Oilers or Canadiens GMs would make. Try to ignore the childish responses to you posts.

13 Sep 2018 00:41:02
Nurse would probably be your number 1 left D. Jets centre depth isn’t the greatest and RNH would improve that. Playing with Ehlers and Liane I’m sure he’d put up amazing numbers. Not as good as his point per game with McDavid but maybe 65 ish? Also Nurse has the potential to put up as good or better numbers than Trouba this season.

13 Sep 2018 02:40:50
I certainly agree Islandjet. I was just hoping to hear some of the crazy reasoning as to why the Jets would do it.

I mean RNH produces the same as Little, is worse defensively and costs more, so that can't be the reason. So, we're not getting much help there. Plus we have to take a major downgrade from Trouba to Nurse. An unneeded player like RNH with his bad contract isn't enough incentive.

It would have been fun to see their logic.

13 Sep 2018 03:05:48
‘Erik karlsson and matt duchene for nic petan and mathieu perreault.

Oh wait duchenes a luxur and so is karlson cause all jets players are good and we can't upset team chemistry because wre the best team in the league and don't need to make adjustments. ’

Cmon guys be real. I don't care if RNH is a luxury. he's not a cap dump and is bettter than Nic Petan and whatever. You take that deal. Idc.

13 Sep 2018 05:33:07
Ebs, Nurse would only be on the second pairing. He's not as good as Morrissey. Also, at this point in his development I highly doubt Nurse will ever be as good as Trouba is now.

An unneeded player like RNH just isn't worth the downgrade on defense. Contending teams don't make trades just for of it.

13 Sep 2018 14:26:43
I would change it this way.

Edmonton Trades
RNH
Nurse

Jets Trade
Connor
Trouba.

13 Sep 2018 15:41:20
It's an absolute waste of time trying to have conversations with you homers tho. You've proven just how completely bad a homers you guys are the last bunch of months getting called out by everyone in this site. It's entertaining tho.

13 Sep 2018 15:47:09
Congrats Pinball. You've taken a bad trade for the Jets and made it worse. Now the Jets are giving away the two best players in the deal.

13 Sep 2018 17:49:46
memarcusjoe and I aren't posting these ridiculous trade proposals, just commenting how they wouldn't help the Jets but would rob them of their talented draft and develop players. Not being blind homers but realistic in the trade proposals. If RNH and Nurse are so great why are they constantly being peddled in trades? The Jets don't need these players to improve as they are one of the top teams in the NHL. Some of these may look good at the draft if they can't re-sign Trouba long term, but for now the Jets would have no I repeat NO interest in the Oilers winger, as he can't cut it as a center, RNH and Nurse who would be lucky to be on the Jets 2nd pairing. So grow up and stop with the insults and give real hockey reasons why the Jets would want to do these trades that only help the Oilers.

13 Sep 2018 19:21:11
Islandjet is right we have all these Leaf and Oiler homers telling us how great these trades are for the Jets, yet they can't tell us how it makes the Jets better.

@ yupp. Here's your chance to make your point. Please detail how downgrading on defense and taking on an overpaid center makes the Jets better?

13 Sep 2018 19:46:29
Nurse is rarely ever in trades so “peddling” is just wrong. And when RNH is in trades it’s usually other teams fans trading for him.
I’ll agree with Nuge being a little overplayed but he can’t cut it at centre? Lol he has a reputation for being a really good two way guy and people loved him at centre. It just so happens the Oil have two centres that are better than him and weak winger depth.
Your argument and reply’s to why this is bad is just “little is better than RNH and morrisey is better than Nurse” good arguments.
Nuge would 100% make your team better and would probably thrive on your second line with the talent that’s on it and he would make little expandable. Trouba is only in trade rumours because it doesn’t look like he wants to sign in Winnipeg. The jets have good RD depth so it would 100% make sense to get solid value for him and upgrade other parts of your team while getting a really solid young LD (a position that isn’t very deep on the jets) in return.

13 Sep 2018 22:45:28
@Ebsolutely,
You make good points, but the thing you're forgetting is that to get the improvement you say we would get in RNH, we have to give up Trouba. The cost of losing Trouba and only getting Nurse hurts the Jets far more than any supposed benefit RNH would give us. So, the Jets end up being worse after this trade. That's why it doesn't work for Winnipeg.

13 Sep 2018 23:06:39
Well I disagree that they get worse but one of my points is it would be a smart move because it’s looking like Trouba won’t resign.

14 Sep 2018 01:01:56
Ebsolutely
Finally a really good and thought out explanation of why you think this trade is fair for both teams. Although I don't agree that this trade makes the Jets better I really respect you for posting a good defense of your position. I just wish some other poster on this site took time to explain why they liked or disliked a post.

14 Sep 2018 02:27:56
Trouba resigning is a problem for next summer.

11 Sep 2018 23:36:11
Columbus trades:
Panarin

Leafs Trade:
The Stanley Cup (if they don't win it then Columbus can have Panarin back and the Pacific Ocean so there is a body of water for Panarin, yay)

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12 Sep 2018 02:35:56
Okay lol.

12 Sep 2018 02:56:54
This is how I feel about some of the Panarin trades I read.

12 Sep 2018 03:48:18
I thought these comments had to be vetted or something? How this get through?

12 Sep 2018 04:57:03
Well panarin would be instantly best wing on most teams, they dony come cheap top winger on leafs with all their talant at forward.

11 Sep 2018 17:35:08
Oil: Kassian

Canes: 5th round.

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11 Sep 2018 19:04:44
Who would ever want Kassian? Replacement level player at best.

11 Sep 2018 20:24:53
His cap is 1.95M. bit steep for him but i'm sure someone will give you a 5th for him.

12 Sep 2018 04:00:20
I’d take him on the leafs for a 5th. As long as his extra curricular activities are under control, which I think they are. The leafs could use some grit and he can skate.

12 Sep 2018 05:15:45
I agree with Leafs17. exactly the type of player Leafs need. can be nasty and tough, but also, picks his play up a bit the bigger the stage .

12 Sep 2018 05:17:51
I really like him in the bottom six and the dressing room of the Oilers. I wouldn't trade him for a 5th.

12 Sep 2018 05:41:33
I’m not saying he has value but he’s a psycho. Lol he gets me fired up I couldn’t imagine how fired up the rest of the team gets when he gets going.

10 Sep 2018 12:21:29
Mathieu Perreault (C - 4.15 Million x 3 Years) + Marko Dano (RW - 0.80 Million x 1 Year) to the Arizona Coyotes in exchange for Lawson Crouse (LW - 0.85 Million x 1 Year) + Laurent Dauphin (C - 0.70 Million x 1 Year) + 2019 3rd Round Draft Selection.

- Winnipeg trades away 4 million in cap space, and although Perreault is a good 40 point man, for 4 million as a 3C with Adam Lowry and a top heavy team, he seems like an accessory. In order to resign Laine/ Trouba/ Myers, etc. the Jets will need to shed cap. Crouse hasn’t developed as expected, but he's a top10 pick from only 3 years ago - could become a decent 3rd Liner for WPG at cheap. Perreault may be able to get more, but teams may see WPG as needy for cap space, and valuations for guys like him may lower.
- Arizona acquires a really good 3C who can move up the lineup, as the total transition on the team continues. Unlike WPG, ARZ is more of an offence by committee, and can afford to have a higher cap player lower in the lineup. Crouse may hurt as a loss, but with many younger stars, Crouse, who hasn't fully developed, may be a viable trade piece.

Arizona Lineup:

Clayton Keller - Derek Stepan - Christian Dvorak
Mathieu Perreault - Alex Galchenyuk - Richard Panik
Brendan Perlini - Dylan Strome - Michael Grabner
Vinnie Hinostroza - Brad Richardson - Christian Fischer
(Marko Dano, Nick Cousins)

Oliver Ekman-Larsson - Jason Demers
Niklas Hjalmarsson- Jakob Chychuryn
Alex Goligoski - Jordan Oesterle
(Kevin Connauton)



Winnipeg Lineup:

Kyle Connor - Mark Schiefele - Blake Wheeler
Nikolaj Ehlers - Bryan Little - Patrik Laine
Lawson Crouse - Adam Lowry - Jack Roslovic
Brandon Tanev - Laurent Dauphin - Andrew Copp
(Nic Petan, Mason Appleton)

Ben Chiarot - Dustin Byfuglien
Josh Morrissey - Jacob Trouba
Dmitry Kulikov - Tyler Myers
(Sami Niku)

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10 Sep 2018 15:45:28
Winnipeg would say no. This trade makes them worse this year and they don't need to move Perreault this year. Next year might be a different story.

10 Sep 2018 16:56:32
I believe that both Crouse and Dauphin would have a hard time making the Jets as they have Petan, Appleton, Vesalainen and Lemieux fighting for spots on the team. However I do think Crouse could be a good addition if he was the type of player that would use his size on the 4th line, but Perreault is one of Maurices favorites. Interesting trade though.

11 Sep 2018 14:22:06
I personally would do this trade, it would be hard for me to let Dano go as he is still a fairly young piece with some potential though. as joe said it would make jets worse this year and they only need the cap next year if they did a trade. Island also made a valid point of crouse and dauphin potentially not being able to make the team with other players fighting for spots.
I do like your explanations for why each sides to this, but maybe add a prospect or pick from jets as arizona is taking on all the extra salary?

11 Sep 2018 16:10:46
@pkane, how do you agree with both jets fans that jets shouldn’t make this trade as it is presented and then end by saying “jets add a prospect or pick”?! If you think it doesn’t make sense for Winnipeg as it sits, why would them adding more valuable pieces make it better?

11 Sep 2018 18:50:36
Pkane on some whack stuff.

12 Sep 2018 09:20:55
what i was saying was from a jets point of view i would do it, from arizona point of view i'd want something extra for taking on the extra salary.

23 Sep 2018 00:13:42
im a wpg jets fan who lives in winnipeg 6 blocks from the rink accross the street from laine's. he plays hockey with all the kids mine included.

1. dano is a center and the forth on copper lowry tanev line all puck hogs were not trading any of them

2. mp 85 that's his tag here nope not going anywhere just yet like u said to easy to play anywhere in line up

3. most of the jets are signing team freindly long term contracts
the has been built 1 player at a time by drafting them

4. just because you believe these trades are posted is because everyone wants a part of them. wake up we loaded see is win a cup or 2 then we will take trade.

10 Sep 2018 11:26:55
Suzuki and Tatar for Patches.

Def more than I could have ever imagined for Patches. that's Suzuki + 1st + 2nd + 3rd + 2nd, altho Tatar ain't worth all that now.

MTL makes a very good deal imo, and Tatar could easily be shipped off at the deadline.

This is the side of McPhee that Vegas has to be wary about. he's super hasty. and I feel that this could bite him badly, like with Forsberg/ Erat.

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10 Sep 2018 12:21:11
And a 2nd round pick.

10 Sep 2018 12:57:01
There is also some cap retention by both teams this year is a wash pretty much but Vegas retains 500 k each of the last 2 years on tater contract.

10 Sep 2018 13:28:31
Bergevin did well, I’ll give him that. Tatar was apparently a must go, salary and roster spot wise, so it’s esentially Suzuki and a 2nd for patches with a bit of retention. Good return for a guy that it was pretty public he wasn’t going to be back.

10 Sep 2018 15:58:44
Not to bad. Tatar can probably score 20 to 25 this season, Really hope Suzuki turns into a top 6 player. , any of you guys back East see him play much in the OHL? Any feedback on him?

10 Sep 2018 16:02:43
I think it's a good return probably slightly more then I expected. suzuki was Vegas 2nd best prospect IMO and tater should be able to at least replace the 17 goals pacioretty scored last year and they get another decent draft pick. Suzuki scored 100 points last year on a somewhat defensive team. I think 72 of his points were primary and the next closest point total on his team was 69 I believe. Has good speed and can play in all situations can play center but I think he will be winger when he turns pro.

10 Sep 2018 16:05:46
Apparently the trade is contingent on patch signing "long term " in Vegas.

10 Sep 2018 16:06:21
Also jim tater still has value as we'll he just couldn't fit in with Vegas I'm sure if the habs decided to trade him again they could get something useful in return especially at 4.8 mil preseason instead of 5.3. He might never get what Vegas paid for him again. But I think he could still get a 2nd and a3rd right now at least.

10 Sep 2018 16:58:35
Good trade for the Habs. Flip Tatar at the trade deadline for picks or prospect then it becomes a great trade for the re-building Habs.

10 Sep 2018 17:56:48
what are you talking about with all the pick crap

You got Suzuki who isn't even a top 50 prospect in most top 50 propsects. He hit thirty in 1. A 2nd round pick and thomas tatar

for

A signed patches. That haul is underwhelming

What happened to the 1st, top c prospect and a good nhl player for a rental with 1.5 years left.

I think berg did get a good prospect but his super high expectations soured a lot of teams on patches and basically made him settle for that package. Not very good.

ROR got a 1st, 2nd, Tage thompson, Sobotka, Berglund.

Patches got 2nd suzuki, tatar

MTL should have gotten more for a signed patches.

10 Sep 2018 18:42:20
A lot of people are actually saying Montreal got an underwhelming return. Which I agree a bit, but I also think that was the best Montreal was going to get.

10 Sep 2018 19:14:49
It's more then fair IMO. But like everything else everyone won't be pleased with it . If the habs had got mcdavid for patches there would be some complaining that we took back too big of a cap hit. nick suzuki is on every top 50 prospect list that holds any merit. He's a real good prospect on top of that we get a consistent 20 goal scorer on a not too bad contract and a 2nd in the 45 to 55 range. I'd say that's pretty good for a player who svored 17 gòals last year. O reilly didn't have a down year if he did he wouldn't have got as much either on top of that he was already signed long term and he is a center. I hope your not trying to imply max could have got o Reilly cause I'm pretty sure habs offered that deal and buffalo said no.

10 Sep 2018 19:43:58
Idk how people here can say he got an underwhelming return imo.

In general, our trade evaluations were that Patches value had dipped and would get a 1st and a meh prsopect. He got Suzuki, Tatar who can probably get a 1st if he bounces back and a 2nd. And Suzuki is a good prospet too - and he plays a position that Montreal is desperately in need of. Maybe I’m an extra bit high about Suzuki, but I’m the fathest from a Hab fan and I think Bergevin may have saved his own a** and job with this.

10 Sep 2018 20:04:02
O’Rielly is not a fair comparison at all. Different position, player type, age, contract situation etc.

10 Sep 2018 22:16:37
Very underwhelming especially now considering its 5 years of him. He's apperently one of the super elite scorers of the last decade or so, 5 years of him should have gotten more, no?

10 Sep 2018 23:25:42
Not with how he played last year. value went down.
I'm happy with the return, wish the 2nd was a 1st but it's all good.
To be honest, I'd really like to see patches playing along side Stasney. Unfortunately it will be on a different team, but he has never had a reliable center to play alongside. Vegas made some great upgrades this off-season.

10 Sep 2018 23:37:24
I think it is fair value for both sides. Habby you’re right about not pleasing everyone. However, “ that’s pretty good for a guy who scored 17 goals last year” is different from what you would have said yesterday. Is Pacioretty on the decline now that he’s gone or is he still the 30+ goal scoring leader that you thought he was for years?

10 Sep 2018 23:56:11
It’s definitely a different tone. When I would say he would not get a great return coming off a bad year, I was told I was wrong. Now I admit this is better than I thought they would get, but this is what I’ve said about when a guy leaves, your opinion changes in a hurry. It did with galchenyuk too. For the last 6 months while surrounded by rumours he’s been “a 35 goal scorer” and you ignored people saying he’s only as good as last year unfortunately. Now it’s “good for a guy with 17 goals”.

11 Sep 2018 00:11:23
As a Habs fan. and Patches fan, I'll say he just had a down year. I don't know if he (or almost anyone) was able to take the pressure of being a Habs captain, especially on one of the worst seasons in the franchise history . He gets a fresh start in Vegas, with a lot less pressure. . he doesn't have to be the main kog in the offense. this may he the season he finally hits 40 IMO. and I hope he does. was a class act in Montreal, and a really good player for the team.

11 Sep 2018 00:26:04
Actually leafs 17 it's more then I expected or would have paid. Don't lump me in the delusional category. And it has nothing to do with being or not being the player he was. All though even at 4 years Vegas is still taking a chance on him. Also at 7 mil in Vegas apparently montreal would have had to pay 9.5 per year to match it and he wasn't worth that in his best year. i liked pacioretty as a player and actually stood up for him on times when he slumped every year in the playoffs but knowing now for sure which I suspected all along that he asked for a trade last year really makes m think when the going gets tough he would sooner disappear then face it. that being said he was good for the habs except for last year when he was awful but it was time to move on I'm glad they didn't resign him to a huge contract and I'm super glad they got this good of a return.

11 Sep 2018 00:27:30
But in case your referring to my comparison of him with simmonds I still think he has slightly more value then simmonds.

11 Sep 2018 02:04:12
The reason I brought up the 17 goal season jim was cause that's what most of you guys were tossing around. Pretty good return for a 17 goal scorer hey. Also a lot of you said he wouldn't get much of anything in return cause bergevin wasn't dealing from a position of strength. pretty good return IMO I'm quite pleased with this patch could score 40 with Vegas and suzuki may never pan out but this is still a good return at the moment. One of the main reasons other then patch was playing hardball and would have never signed here for 4 years 28 mil is he doesn't really fit in with the type of forward group the habs are putting together now. They are going younger and faster up front and eventhough he's still good he's getting older and slower. fits in better with Vegas as most of there team is over the age of 25.

11 Sep 2018 02:06:50
Essentially it should be good for everyone involved. Less pressure on pacioretty and a fresh start should help him regain his form habs get a good prospect a decent pick and a player with some skill who will out score patches totals from last year that they can keep or potentially trade again.

11 Sep 2018 04:21:02
I was referring to every habs fan saying he is a 30+ goal scoring leader. Not just you. One bad season surrounded by all the controversy and now he’s a 17 goal scorer. I’m guessing he bounces back but who knows. I think it was a good deal for Montreal, especially if Suzuki turns out to be good. For the record, I’d take Simmonds in a heart beat and I stayed out of that conversation.

11 Sep 2018 14:23:41
i don't like that vegas gave up suzuki in the deal, i liked him as a prospect but for a player of caliber of patches you need to give up a big piece, so i understand. it fit bot team's needs and montreal could be dangerous down the middle in a few years once their center prospects develop. good trade for both teams.

11 Sep 2018 18:46:53
Good trade for both teams right now. Give it a few years and Montreal could be the real winners depending on how Suzuki develops, who that 2nd round pick is, and either how Tatar does or what they get for him if traded.

12 Sep 2018 09:22:46
Mostly what i was trying to state is that Patches was suppose to, (By habs fans and sports Analyst) haul in way more than a 40-60 ranked prospect a 27 year old 15-20goal scorer (who is not worth a 1st unles 50% retained and i still don't see people doing that) and a 2nd in the 50 - 62 range.

The expectations for patches last year at deadline was (using blues as examples)

Thomas, 1st rnd pick and a roster player or
Kyrou, Kostin 1st roster

LA
Vilardi tofolli +

There was a lot of crazy rumors. There were several Articles that sports writers were writing about getting robert thomas. It was crazy and out of control.

Now you get Suzuki a 2nd and tatar and your ok with that. I think its a little more back peddling like Buffalo did with ROR and less accepting an underwhelming haul.

12 Sep 2018 15:00:32
We'll redwing you can be a fool and believe everything the media says or you can look at it realistically . If you believe the report la offered vilardi toffoli and their 1st I think you would have to be a fool. And even still if this trade happened there would be some who would still say it wasn't enough. Plus the blues said last year they were not trading thomas or kyrou so both those rumors are out the window. The habs got a consistent 20 goal man a top 30 to 40 prospect IMO and a 2nd which I feel will be around 50th . Even if pacioretty gets back to 30 goals that's still a good return. Let me ask you this patches at 7 mil scores 30 and tater at 4.8 scores 22 in a cap world wouldn't that be close to even?

12 Sep 2018 19:34:49
Call me a fool then because the expectations from fans and media had you getting a kings ransom. You got pretty much nothing. A cap dump due tatars high salary for his production a crappy second pick and suzuki who is even ranked in most top fifty prospects. I am not trying to knock you Suzuki is a good looking younbg player but the pick at 50-62 is not looking good.

Shattenkirk got a 1st a c/ lw in Zach sanford who actually played in the playoffs and was pretty good till injury and another pick 2nd round conditional pick.

That seemed underwhelming.

We ended up using that pick to get center Brayden SChenn. So yes it was a very underwhelming return for MTL. I think you just are in denial and won't admit it.

12 Sep 2018 20:13:43
I don't have time right now I may get on later though to point out some of the things you are wrong about. But your starting to sound like someone who said all along they would get nothing for pacioretty and now that they did you are in denial . Lol.

12 Sep 2018 21:27:30
1st off I don't see how a guy goes from getting a 1st a 2nd and a 3rd at 5.3 mil to being a cap dump at 4.8 mil. Especially after about 30 games. Tater is a more consistent 20 goal scorer then pacioretty is a consistent 30 scorer cause tater has got 20 goals every year except his first full year when he got 19 goals in 73 games. He's not a cap dump by no means at least not yet. Suzuki is a top 50 prospects whether all these lists you talk about have him on it or not. I read a list yesterday that had joe veleno ahead of brady tkachuk and filip zadina so maybe it was that one. the 2nd pick is Columbus so it's probably around 50th.

12 Sep 2018 21:31:56
So shattenkirk got a first 27th overall, that future superstar zach sand ford and a 2nd. So let's just compare montreal gets a 2017 13th overall pick a 2nd and tomas tater soooo
13th pick = much better then a 27th pick
Tomas tater = much better then zach Sanford
2nd = 2nd. Hope that helps!

12 Sep 2018 21:37:39
The schenn trade also cost you another 1st along with the one they aquired in the shatt trade. So if montreal trades tater again for a 2nd and drafts a 30 goal winger would you say they won the deal then?

12 Sep 2018 22:52:21
I think the habs did great. Patches is coming off a terrible season and returned a top C prospect, A replacement and a 2nd round pick. Suzuki seems drastically underrated in this situation.

12 Sep 2018 23:47:16
Also where are all these top prospect lists that don't have him in the top 50 I just took the time to find 5 and they all had him between 23rd and 38th, 23rd is a little high IMO but the 30 to 35 spot is just about right.

09 Sep 2018 00:54:34
Dallas:
Max Pacioretty LW
Karl Alzner D
2nd 2020

Montreal:
Tyler Seguin C
Jason Spezza C

Edmonton:
Shea Weber D
Andrew Shaw C
2nd 2019

Montreal:
Ryan Nugent-Hopkins C
Milan Lucic LW
1st 2020

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09 Sep 2018 05:20:56
Where to start. Seguin>>patches, he’s younger puts up more points and centerman have more value than wingers and Spezza has one more year compared to Alzner s 4 of bad contract so that makes zero sense for Dallas. 2nd trade Webber tho still very good is aging and declining and another what, years left on his deal for a young 2nd line centerman with a decent contract and Shaw who is younger and cheaper for Lucic And oilers add the first? Wow, you’re not a Habs fan are ya?

09 Sep 2018 06:23:02
Uh no from oil.

09 Sep 2018 14:07:35
Oilers should take that and run they’re dumping Lucic a below average 4th liner being paid 6 million a year. Nuge and the 1st are good but Weber is one of the best dman in the NHL still and is on a criminally underrated contract. 7.8 million is a steal for a #1 dman and the acquiring team can trade him back to Nashville for a boat load so they avoid cap recaptures in the final 3 years when his front loaded salary falls down to 1 million.

09 Sep 2018 16:46:42
So what does Lucic have to do this season for you to eat your words vbb?
Because he is certainly now a "below average 4th liner" or an "AHL player" as you've called him before. You're just spewing hate is all. I'm not at all praising the guy or anything, don't put words in my mouth now.
Simply saying that you're crazy over exaggerating as usual.

09 Sep 2018 18:20:40
Do something other then hold McDavid back at 2 million Lucic would be a good signing but 6 million is horrendous.

09 Sep 2018 18:48:36
Ok. So are you back peddling now?
You say he's an "AHL player" and a "below average 4th liner"

09 Sep 2018 20:40:27
@VBB If he were a “below average 4th line” or “AHL player” he wouldn’t be a good signing at $2 mill lol so somethings wrong with your assessment

for $3-3.5 mill to play on someone’s 3rd line and provide physicality and maybe a net from presence on a PP he would be good. At $6 mill he is either an extremely overpaid 3rd liner or you’re forced to play him as a top line player which he just isn’t.

IMO if teams are still prepared to pay Leo Komarov $3 mill on a 4 year term (I like Leo but am so glad we aren’t the ones giving him that), then there’s definitely a place for Lucic. But with his current contract, he’s next to worthless on the trade market unfortunately.

09 Sep 2018 22:19:52
Lucic to Leo komarov is a good comparison both are pretty worthless aside from a slight 3rd line scoring capability and a intemdation prseance. Lucic would not crack the leafs roster there for he’d be an AHLer and if he did make the leafs Roster on LW Andreas Johanson, Hyman And Kappanen would be ahead of him as a LW. As RW Marner, Nylander, Grundstrom and Brown would be ahead of him on the depth chart. Obviously on most teams he’s not a AHL player but nothing more then a 3rd liner.

10 Sep 2018 01:24:29
Wow finally something I can agree on, Lucic no longer is a top 6 player imo but as a third liner he can still contribute well. Or he bounces back to 45-50 point player which I’m hoping he does if he sticks top 6 this year.

10 Sep 2018 06:25:05
Well Patches is a GoldenKnight now.

08 Sep 2018 18:01:21
3way Trade Proposal.

Carolina Trades
Faulk (Minnesota)

Minnesota Trades
Spurgeon (Toronto)
Seeler (Carolina)

Toronto Trades
Kapanen (Carolina)
Sparks (Minnesota)

Trade Breakdown.
Faulk-Kapanen,Seeler
Spurgeon,Seeler-Faulk,Sparks
Kapanen,Sparks-Spurgeon

Maybe Minnesota would have to add a Mid Round Pick going to Carolina but think this is a good Proposal.

Thoughts ?

Agree4 Disagree16

08 Sep 2018 19:18:23
Carolina gets robbed. They would need more coming back. Toronto wouid have to give something else.

09 Sep 2018 12:15:34
People really need to lower there value on Faulk. The guy is one of the worst defensive dmen in the league and people still rate him so high. -109 is his career plus/ minus. And people say Gardiner is bad defensively.

09 Sep 2018 14:08:30
Faulk shouldn’t be in the league imo huge defensive reliability.

09 Sep 2018 18:50:53
And there's Vbb over exaggerating as usual. We get it, you don't like the guy. But the fact he is a good offensive D man and is a Captain of an NHL team but you think he shouldn't even be in the league.
Maybe you actually mean he should be a sheltered minute, power play, not a captain, D man?

09 Sep 2018 20:11:17
Vb you are easily the least knowledgeable person iv ever seen consistently post on this site before and seriously what did faulk do to you!

09 Sep 2018 22:23:04
Yupp you’re correct I was over exaggerating and maybe he should be captain. The position is overrated if you actually played hockey. ( which I doubt you have ) you’d know leadership dosent come from 1 person it’s a team effort.

10 Sep 2018 22:30:56
faulk is a good player at what he does. He’s not a great defender, much like Gardiner. But there’s teams that can absorb his defensive liability to add what he brings offensively.

Also the way the game is going, if he’s a
enough puck mover, and put on a team with a good forward group, he can move the puck out and spend a lot less time in his own zone, helping his defensive part.

Like leafs not willing to pay the asking price for a big D upgrade, they’re hoping guys within step up and that with the depth of 2 way players up front, they can control the play and have possession enough to take pressure off the D, making it good enough for now.

07 Sep 2018 21:54:29
Mtl) Patch
Nyi) Eberle or Ho-Sang

Agree13 Disagree17

08 Sep 2018 17:43:12
honestly. this is one of the better ones I've seen.

08 Sep 2018 18:22:23
I’d say ho-sang makes more sense age and salary wise. And getting that kinda young potential for patches would be a good idea, I just don’t know if they want the only piece coming back for a good player having a questionable attitude and work ethic. If he doesn’t get along with coaches or teammates right of the hop, that’s a disaster.

08 Sep 2018 20:44:14
If it’s ho sang islanders add more considering he hasn’t proved a thing and isle are getting a proven scorer.

 


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