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05 Oct 2019 18:42:20
Buffalo Trades

Toronto Trades

Thoughts ?

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05 Oct 2019 19:49:14
No thanks from Toronto.

05 Oct 2019 21:07:04
Sure, why not? Chances are Leafs lose Hyman in the draft anyway, and Montour is a vast improvement over Ceci. With Sandin playing so well, this trade could actually be a possibility. A lot more realistic than most I’ve seen Pinhead post.

05 Oct 2019 22:01:33
I thought Buffalo just got Montour.

05 Oct 2019 23:20:07
Im down with this deal but the cap won't work.

Leafs have maybe a few hundred grand. Hyman + dermott is only 3.1 million but montour is worth more than that.

I like the deal just can't see it working money wise.

05 Oct 2019 18:49:02
Islanders have offered RHD Pulock, Ho-Sang and a 2nd for Ehlers.
Good deal for both teams to me.

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05 Oct 2019 20:00:39
If they infact offered this already then i guess ehlers is playing for the islanders now

Ehlers surely would be amazing beside barzal. one can dance with the puck on his stick and the other can flat out skate fast. perfect tandem.

Pulock helps what it looks like a horrible defence. I mean thank goodness the jets have weapons offensively because they can't keep teams from scoring right now

Ho Sang gets a change so u never know
Turn that 2nd into a first since ehlers really is the prize here and i think its a win win kind of deal.

05 Oct 2019 21:10:48
The Jets should start the car and run with this deal =)

05 Oct 2019 21:12:20
Ehlers sucked last year. Unless he turns it around, and fast, then his value drops like a stone every day he doesn’t score point. Pulock alone is worth more.

05 Oct 2019 22:40:29
Pulock is a nice defenseman, but I highly doubt the Jets would consider moving Ehlers.

06 Oct 2019 01:05:46
Ehlers has 4 points in 2 games i believe. so i guess his trade value has risen like a tsunami after a meteor hits the ocean.

06 Oct 2019 01:06:33
Aight Marcus, stay with Kulikov on your top pair eh.

05 Oct 2019 15:07:31
to Edmonton

to NY Islanders

Oilers, for whatever reason, don't want to play Gagner. Ho-Sang wants out and the Oilers are probably the perfect opportunity for him. seems worthwhile.

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05 Oct 2019 16:24:40
I'd like to see Ho-Sang given a shot with Oilers.
However, after all this time, maybe he jus isn't going to be an NHLer? I don't follow him enough. I do know he has a lot of hype about his offensive skills . But then I wonder, If he has this much skill, why isn't he in the NHL yet?
I know as a Habs fan, I've seen lots of these young guys with tons of offensive skill ( as a kid) come in with all this hype and never do anything. ie. Sherbac.

05 Oct 2019 20:53:24
Good trade. Same term,
Cap wise, player status team, no lose for either team.

05 Oct 2019 21:10:21
Except that Gagner costs three times more than HoSang. I think Islanders would rather keep their own cheap bust and do away with him somehow without taking on a $3 million bust instead.

06 Oct 2019 00:18:49
Islanders upset with ho-sang but still think Oilers add.

06 Oct 2019 17:54:55
HockeyFanatic there's only a year left and they islanders have plenty of cap room.

06 Oct 2019 21:22:36
That’s three million they can use for an nhl player that is actually nhl level, not an overpaid AHL player.

05 Oct 2019 14:44:20
to Ottawa

to San Jose

Most teams would never even think about taking Jones and his contract-- however, he could be the stabilizing force in net for the Senators for a long time. Since they don't have anything better as far as a goalie prospect or current goalie, I think they would be happy to take him even if his contract is difficult.

to San Jose

to St Louis

St Louis is paying Allen 4+ to be a backup when he could easily be an improvement on the sharks. he doesn't even need to be that good he just needs to be better that what they have.

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05 Oct 2019 15:41:12
Whats with the dealing of jones?
So Vegas looks better at this point in season and best he sharks handidly. Is that jones fault. I mean both games san jose doesn't wake up till 3rd period. that's jones fault.

Jones is a huge upgrade for ottawa so i'm sure they'll take jones and run.
Then san jose turns around and gives up a 4th for a goalie who was once in his life better than jones and i'm thinking that was 2010 when allen beat out jones for starting gig at world jrs for canada. Other than that jones is better. So get a 6th give up a 4th for a worst goalie.

Jones will win 36 plus games once san jose starts playing in front of him but if you think allen is the solution. guess that's your right of opinion.

05 Oct 2019 16:18:54
Jones for Allan is not an upgrade.

05 Oct 2019 16:27:18
Thats a no on ottawa's end anyway, I have a hard time believing thateither Jones nor Allen would be a stabilizing force or much of an upgrade on any team. They have both been sieves for a few years now.

05 Oct 2019 21:14:55
Facelift gets the prize. Best answer possible. Both those guys suck. Ottawa should run with the worst goalie they can find right now and try to tank again. Maybe this time they get to keep the pick.

04 Oct 2019 18:35:39
MTL: Shea Theodore

VGK: Drouin

Any comments or feedback out there?

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04 Oct 2019 19:19:49
I feel like VGK needs Theodore more than they need Drouin. MTL would love the trade though.

04 Oct 2019 19:56:48
Vegas would say no thanks. Need Theo way more than a top six winger. They are set with great top two lines of March-Karlson-Smith, Patches-Stastny-Stone.
And to trade one of their best D for him to just put on third line isn’t really good either. They have pretty solid forward lines.

04 Oct 2019 22:57:24
LMAO no chance from Vegas.

04 Oct 2019 23:23:28
I'm still not willing to give up on Drouin. Lol.

05 Oct 2019 08:16:06
Easy no from VGK.

05 Oct 2019 12:46:58
MTL could of drafted Theodore instead of Macaron in the 2013 NHL draft. Imagine having him with Weber. And Drouin in the lineup.

05 Oct 2019 14:45:08
Vegas is never letting go of theodore, especially not to get another forward when they already have a very deep offense.

05 Oct 2019 16:33:18
I'm still imaging McDonagh with weber.

04 Oct 2019 16:55:53
Blues Trade

Leafs Trade
Hyman (IR)
Bracco (AHL)


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04 Oct 2019 16:28:27
Getting closer.

04 Oct 2019 16:40:04
LOL. Not even walking up to the gate of the ballpark.

Blues Trade Parynko

Leafs trade Morgan Reilly

WHy would St Louis trade Paraynko with 3 years term for Muzzin who's a UFA and Hyman who's not even playing?

Reilly and Parynko have the same term, same dollars on their contracts basically.

So, I see a hearty cold Colt type blunt NO WAY on this silly proposal!

04 Oct 2019 17:47:14
only differance between reilly and parayko is reilly is consistant regarless who coaches him or plays with him.

almost 3 times the points . advanced stats tell us he is even a better defender.

would need to add thomas and others to make this trade even be considered.

yes the original deal is a bit off but not as far as reilly for parayko is.

04 Oct 2019 18:42:27
A 20 goal, 70 point scoring defenceman for a 20-30 point defenceman isn't very fair. Parayko is very overvalued on this website. Many of the RHD are. The only time defence are not overhyped is when they are on Toronto.

04 Oct 2019 20:05:24
I would be willing to add a 2nd Round Pick in my Proposal so it would be.

Blues Trade
5th Round Pick 2020

Leafs Trade
Hyman (IR)
Bracco (AHL)
2nd Round Pick 2020


04 Oct 2019 20:55:04
Adding more picks / minor leaguers still doesn't even get you an inch closer to the ballpark gate.

Why is Parayenko coveted?
Paraynko is a big bodied Dman who is worth every penny of his Salary. He is a lot more effective as a defender than Reilly simply because of his size, strength, and reach to nullify offensive chances and clear the front of the net. No stats kept for those assets. He scores, he hits, he has a good shot, is big enough to move even the big boys out of in front of the tender. A Dman of his calibre on the UFA market would be getting probably 8M today ( Eckblad dollars), not 5. No way St Louis gives him up unless it's a completely parallel D for D trade. Reilly straight up is the only hope of the Leafs seeing him in the Blue and white until he becomes a UFA in 3 years.

Well. I suppose a silly blockbuster could still go down like Marner or Matthews or Tavares with 50% retained for Paraynko trade may fly, but that's so ridiculous it's hardly even worth mentioning.3,4,5 players n picks for 1's just don't happen in todays NHL very often and especially for a Dman in his prime like thi, s that's worth every penny of his salary and has contract term left.

04 Oct 2019 22:22:00
Overhype 101.

Just so you know their are stats for every aspect of the game and i mean every. Just because people don't understand them doesn't mean they are not there. So many programs have been designed to figure these things out.

He is good 65% of the time. but unfortunetly his 35% bad he is god aweful. Yes, he is big. However, when a fast guy is allowed around him he is so crappy. stand still and he will move you but his foot work can't keep up if you move a bit. His reach is long but refs are crackng down even more this season. The move he got away with last year won't fly this year. The league knows what he does and every team and ref will watch for it. His stick work at peoples ankles is discusting. Just hacking when someone gets around him. he will get called this year. one handed slashes aren't going to fly this year. just sayin.

04 Oct 2019 22:59:55
I actually don’t think Saint Louis accepts Paryanko for Rielly I don’t think leafs do either while Rielly is better offensively Paryanko is better defensively.

05 Oct 2019 01:42:11
If it’s so ridiculous it’s not worth mentioning it, why did you mention if? Parayko is world’s beneath Morgan RIelly and you know it.

05 Oct 2019 02:02:44
Ristolainen does all those things too. But he isn’t valued nearly as highly on this site as Parayko. Why is that I wonder? In fact, Risto has better numbers than Parayko in several categories. If you are going to say these things about Parayko, you need to face up to the fact that Risto is equally capable, and been more so, than Parayko for all those traits.

05 Oct 2019 16:35:48
Hockey fan. who would you rather have on your Blueline, parayko or ristolainen?

05 Oct 2019 18:35:25
Good question. parayko or ristolainen

Lets see parayko has a cup but if risto was dealt along with oreilly for parayko and the package that went to buffalo guess what?

Risto would have a cup and parayko wouldnt

See putting risto on a team like st. louis neither improves nor hurts a team like st. louis
Also, putting parayko on buffalo neither improves or worsens buffalo

Parayko is better defensively while risto is better offensively. that will never change.

Risto is smaller by 2 inches and 15 pounds and is considered a good skater for a bigger guy but not elite.
Parayko is bigger and for some reason I've read (on this site) he is an elite skater. I disagree. He is an average skater but alright for a big guy. He does have a much heavier shot than risto. Same MPH (100.3 ) though. harder and heavier are 2 differant things.

Now for dmen i love the hits+blocks+takeaways-giveaway stats. risto is like a +50 over parayko on average every year.

Thing is you put parayko on a team like buffalo and his defensive game will suffer while putting risto on st. louis and now he looks like a good defender. Differance is parayko will have tough time getting 45 points in buffalo while risto may hit 55 on st. louis.

So to answer the question by Facelift39 as long as the comparable is risto on st. louis team and system vs parayko on buffalo team and system i'd actually want risto. variables change based on teams either players could go to. For this comparable i think risto might be as good as parayko in st. louis while parayko would ge worse in buffalo.

Ristolainen wins.

05 Oct 2019 23:22:53
Nobody would pick risto over parayko.

03 Oct 2019 22:08:54
Blues Trade

Leafs Trade

Blues retain 500.000 of Pietrangelo's Salary.

Leafs still stay just below the Cap same as the Blues.

Thoughts ?

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03 Oct 2019 23:55:17
St Louis hangs up on you.

04 Oct 2019 01:08:51
So trading 1 ufa for another ufa and a guy who neither team will protect in the expansion draft.

Both teams say no in my opinion. muzzin is trusted by both dubas and babcock. Hyman is trusted by babcock.

Pietroangelo is loved by all of st. louis so unless its for a package lead by kapanen, sandin and a pick i think st. louis passes.

On torontos side theyd probably only be willing to give up is bracco, liljegren and a pick and st. louis passes.

Your deal works cap wise beautifully but just not the best for both clubs.

04 Oct 2019 23:01:07
It’d take McDavid at retained salaries for the cup champions to trade their best players lmao why’d they trade them over going for another cup.

05 Oct 2019 02:05:14
Kapanen, Sandin, and a pick for a rental? Pinball’s proposal was actually the more closer. Why on earth would Leafs trade Kappy, Sandin, pick for a rental? Pietrangelo isn’t even cream of the crop like Burna or Doughty. He’s just a really good defenseman. Not Norris winning caliber though.

05 Oct 2019 03:13:30
What i was writing was st. louis won't budge unless the package was kap, sandin and a pick thus the leafs pass.

Then i wrote leafs would try to offer liljegren bracco and pick and st. louis would pasd

Point was no deal will ever get reached because pie is valued by st. louis more than toronto is willing to give up.

03 Oct 2019 20:04:30
WPG: Laine
STL: Parayko


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03 Oct 2019 23:05:34
As much as I like Parayko, the Jets won't be trading Laine right after he signed a new contract.

04 Oct 2019 00:00:52
I don't think the blues need a 1 dimensional player for their best defensive dman.

04 Oct 2019 12:54:58
1 dimensional dman for 1 dimensional forward.

04 Oct 2019 15:18:30
I disagree Vb, petro is a very good all round defenceman, I’d compare him to a doughty, not as good as doughty but not far off.

04 Oct 2019 15:20:25
I’m sorry vb, just realized that it was Parayko not petro. my bad.

04 Oct 2019 15:49:12
Nah, jets add a bit, not big but theyd add something.

04 Oct 2019 16:10:17
VB parayko gets 30-35 points and is a puck moving dman and best defender on team. That's not exactly one dimensional. He also comes with zero baggage, doesn't play fornite.

04 Oct 2019 17:08:06
@Redwing1 has a good point

04 Oct 2019 17:48:55
Laine is done with Fortnite. it was just a fad for him. now back to 40-50 goals.

04 Oct 2019 23:03:18
Paryanko is a 1 dimensional defensive dman he doesn’t really produce offence even though he has a cannon of a shot. Also playing fortnite isn’t baggage lmao.


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