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13 Jul 2018 23:25:16
EDM: Puljujärvi, Klefbom, 3rd round pick.

Car: Skinner, Faulk

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14 Jul 2018 13:18:11
What makes u think an unproven prospect who is looking like a top 9 forward at this point for and a sub par second pair defensemen gets you a number 3 RHD and a 30+ goal scorer? the third doesn't makes up the difference. Keep your bust.

14 Jul 2018 15:58:51
I actually don’t mind it value wise I think Klef= Faulk but the canes do not need a dman. And Pulj and 3rd= Skinner no from canes because they don’t need Klefbom.

13 Jul 2018 21:46:10
Leon Draisaitl C (8.5x7yrs)
Milan Lucic LW (6x5yrs)
Jesse Puljujarvi LW (1x1yr)
Cam Talbot G (4.6x1yr)
Evan Bouchard D (2018 draft)

Carey Price G (10.5x8yrs)
Max Pacioretty LW (4.5x1yr)
Karl Alzner D (4.6x4yrs)

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13 Jul 2018 21:58:01
Hahahahaha dream on habfan.

13 Jul 2018 22:24:57
Wow did hand rebuild in just one lopsided trade. lol.

13 Jul 2018 22:33:26
Was this for real or just for a laugh?

13 Jul 2018 22:58:55
Lucic + Puljujarvi = Pacioretty
Draisaitl >> Price
Talbot > Alzner
Bouchard >>>>> 0

The only benefit for the Oil is they get out of Lucic’s contract. They also get a top goalie and a good winger but both there contracts aren’t ideal. They also gain another expensive top 6 D they don’t need. Oil give up there top end young players and don’t get any better.

13 Jul 2018 23:20:42
Bergavin says no thank you.

14 Jul 2018 07:36:00
Horrible trade for EDM.

14 Jul 2018 11:03:22
Lmao this would be a easy yes for habs this is so one sided.

14 Jul 2018 12:29:57
I was being sarcastic. This is so delusional.

15 Jul 2018 15:42:55
Oh la la.

13 Jul 2018 21:37:13
CBJ: Panarin, Milano

FLA: Trocheck, Bjugstad, 3rd round pick.

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14 Jul 2018 00:59:48
Trochek is going no where and especially not for a pending UFA winger.

14 Jul 2018 02:58:26
Trochek worth more than 1 year of Panarin and Milano let alone the rest.

14 Jul 2018 18:17:25
Trochek is 25, our uo 75 pts, plays centre and is defensively responsible. Just finished 2nd year of 6 year contract at 4.75mill. Can’t replace that.

14 Jul 2018 19:31:09
Sorry I meant this trade as a sign-and-trade since Panarin apparently sees Florida as a desired destination.

13 Jul 2018 21:08:44
columbus - Panarin
edmonton lucic, puljujarvi and a 3rd round pick in 2018/2019 draft

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14 Jul 2018 01:00:31
That would be very nice of Columbus to do that for the Oilers wouldn’t it?

14 Jul 2018 08:04:40
You take one of cbjs best players and they take a cap dump, an underwhelming prospect and a 3rd.

12 Jul 2018 23:51:13
Mon : Weber, pacioretty

Pit : kessel, sheahan or brassard


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13 Jul 2018 01:40:04
That's terrible for the pens. Weber is out for basically the entire season, he has a shitty contract, and he's rapidly declining. Who know how he'll be when he comes back. Kessel has way more value than pacciorety. So to sum it up a declining player on a terrible contract, a scoring winger who has 1 year left and is coming of a bad year for one of the premier snipers of the game today, and a very good 3rd or 4th line centre.

13 Jul 2018 04:46:03
“ rapidly declining “? Please make an argument because I know you can’t. Please don’t say his feet gave out because he’s never been a good skater he doesn’t rely on skating he’s still a number 1 dman and I’d love him on the leafs with a little bit of retention I’d definitely do Horton+Ziatsev+ for Weber at ( 6 mil )

13 Jul 2018 06:14:01
No from the Pens.

13 Jul 2018 06:24:49
Patches- 30 years old coming off a 37 point season. Has been productive but is he declining?
Webber- missed 56 games and will miss at least half a season this year. At 33 and with that contract, too risky.

Kessel-31 and coming off a 92 point season. 55 more points than Patches.
Brassard- 46 points
Sheehan at 26 and at 6’3 is a very valuable bottom six forward who put up 32 points.

Pittsburgh would lose this trade badly.

13 Jul 2018 14:36:27
Horton, Ziatsev + for Weber $1M retain? Montreal laughs at you Vbb. Whatever your little + is would wipe out Horton and then it's almost Ziatsev for Weber with retaining a mil. That's so bad. Take out Horton and that + better be something pretty damn good more like it.

13 Jul 2018 15:36:34
Not saying Pittsburgh would win the trade ( because the wouldn’t ) but saying Weber Is “rapidly declining” shows you never watched him play and you guys can hit the dissagree button all you want but no one can make an argument for how he’s any less effective then he was 3 years ago. Still a top 10 dman who will still be effective in the nhl until he’s 40+ exactly like chara. Also Patches is still Elite. he shot at an absurdly low shooting percentage this year. If he shot at his percentage from his prievice season he’d have 35 goals.

13 Jul 2018 18:49:23
I wouldn't call Patches elite at this point, but would be interested to see what he can do on a good line.

13 Jul 2018 21:32:36
Depends what you call elite. He can’t drive a line but he can score off the rush like the best in the game.

13 Jul 2018 22:07:35
Omg I actually find myself agreeing with some of vbbvbbs points for once. did hell freeze over? Lol

But I understand the Weber being down for half a season too that makes sense too.

But rumor has it kessel wants out of Pitts and they are trying to trade him. I figure patches would minimize the loss and on a team like Pitt patches and Weber can more than find their stride again while Montreal would address 2 glaring need at once. they would add scoring big time plus get a center they desperately need.

13 Jul 2018 22:09:45
I find he can be one dimensional - and i'm a habs fan. He has the size to be more of an impact player but just doesn't do it.

14 Jul 2018 06:19:03
Fyi, there is a salary cap in the nhl.

14 Jul 2018 11:04:55
Webber has no vaule any more with that contract.

12 Jul 2018 21:50:13
Hawks traded Hossa’s contract to Arizona.

Hawks now have $8.5mill cap space for this season.

Have been talking to habs about paccioretty (1yr $4.5 mill)

And hurricanes about Skinner (1 yr $5.75 mill)

See which way they go.

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12 Jul 2018 22:06:43
Don’t forget Panarin apparently he wants to return.

12 Jul 2018 22:46:35
I could see Panarin. I think he was upset when they traded him. Get back on his old line and light it up.

13 Jul 2018 13:34:35
i'd love to see skinner and/ or panarin (again) in a chicago jersey.

14 Jul 2018 07:37:10
Panarin won't fit in their cap plans. Yes, they have 8.5m space but they need to sign at least 3 more F and 1 more D.

14 Jul 2018 16:02:04
They’d need to get creative but it could work.

12 Jul 2018 21:36:29
Mtl:Pacioretty,3rd round pick
Edm: Nugent-Hopkins

Edmonton gets a good top 6 winger to play with Mcdavid or Draisaitl
Edmonton would have excellent wingers in Yamamoto, Puljujarvi,Pacioretty

Montreal get a good top 6 center who can produce and is good defensively
Mtl will have Nugent-Hopkins, Jesperi Kotkaniemi and Phil Danault as centers

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12 Jul 2018 21:53:38
Oilers fans won't like this. Also, i think Kotk should not be in the NHL yet.

12 Jul 2018 22:40:25
Excellent wingers? They’re better off with RNH and the 2 unproven, excellent wingers.

12 Jul 2018 22:43:01
I agree with thunder. If he was on a team deeper at his position where he could be insulated a bit, it would be okay. Nuge would do that a bit, but I still don’t think that’s putting the kid in a position to have success. If he has a slow transition to North America and the NHL game and struggles, he will have a tough time progressing there. Be patient with him, it’s not like him being in the lineup is the difference between the habs being a contender and not.

12 Jul 2018 11:56:59
Wondering if this makes sense for both teams.
Now I’m not familiar with Columbus’ Cap so maybe this won’t be able to work, but anyways I wanted to go off positional needs:

Oil: Nuge + Klefbom + 4th

Jackets: Panarin + Murray

Oilers get top end right hand shot winger to play with Mcdavid and a downgrade on defense.
Blue jackets get their potential top line center (or 2nd line if they leave Dubois 1st) who can also play wing now. Get an upgrade on defense.

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12 Jul 2018 13:25:43
oilers need to improve their defense, why would they downgrade?

12 Jul 2018 13:34:29
Paniran is way better then Nuge. IMO Murray is better then Klefbom and Regardless that’d be a redundant swap for Columbus and a 4th. no way Columbus touches that. Yes Paniran is a pending UFA but Nuge won’t be the piece he’s traded for and on top of that you want Murray? Take out Murray and Klefbom and it’s a fairer trade.

12 Jul 2018 14:01:53
I think klefbom is an upgrade on murray, but not nearly enough to offset panarin to RNH. A 4th just doesn’t cut it. Make the 4th a 1st or keep it as the 4th and add in a good prospect. But don’t see CBJ taking this as it is. There would be better offers for sure.

12 Jul 2018 14:33:13
Really? I don’t see the upgrade there Jim at almost every world event Murray looks like a stud maybe he needs a change of scenery I’d give Gardiner for him.

12 Jul 2018 14:51:45
I’d call them pretty even, but give klefbom the edge in my opinion. Wouldn’t know all the numbers to argue against someone who says the opposite though. Regardless, no matter which way you too the scales on the klefbom/ murray part, it doesn’t come close to offsetting panarin for nuge.

12 Jul 2018 16:36:34
Edm wouldn't give up that for one year of panarin , would be great to see with McDavid but if he doesn't wanna stay in Columbus, why would he wanna sign in EDM?

12 Jul 2018 16:54:43
I like it but do think the 4th would have to be at least a 2nd or a 4th and a 3rd yo gwg the ball rolling.

And don't mind vbbvbb, he has no idea how to just talent or trade value. klefbom > Murray anyday though I do agree that panarin is better than nuge and would make a great side piece for McDavid lol.

12 Jul 2018 18:48:27
Yah don’t mind the guy who thinks Murray>Klefbom but mind the guy who believes Hoffman>5th overall? You’re dilusional in my opinion i like Murray more then Klefbom they’re close in value but Murray’s stats are deiciving he’s better then the stats show offensively and he’s better then Klefbom defensively. Klefbom is probably better offensively but he’s also the guy in Edmonton where as Murray is on the 3rd pairing in Columbus. ( the role the bottom 4 lines )

13 Jul 2018 00:00:04
I believe I said Hoffman is = to a top 5 to 10 pic, not greater than a top 5, and I still stand by that as those deals were absolute jokes. perhaps school wasn't kind enough to teach you how to read huh vbbvbb?

Come to think of it your handle is vbbvbb, guess you can't pronounce a real name either. what is a vbbvbb anyway a vroom big bad vroom badda bing? Lmfao.

13 Jul 2018 01:47:08
Rambone, You can't stand by something that's been proven completely wrong and just call it a joke and still think you're right and we're wrong. That's not how that works.

13 Jul 2018 11:05:49
Rambo prefers to live in his delusional fantasy world where his poorly thought out and biased proposals represent fair value, and his mom's basement is actually a 3,000 sq. ft. luxury penthouse.

13 Jul 2018 11:30:33
‘Those deals were complete jokes’

Well, they were made, and the entirety of this site was close i'm evaluation of Hoff than you were.

13 Jul 2018 13:00:03
All I’m going to say here is Murray isn’t that close to Klefbom. Klefbom is for sure an upgrade when he’s healthy.

13 Jul 2018 13:16:22
Murray is a third pairing dman (or used as one) and Klef a 2/ 3 dman. not sure how they're close. I don't think they have close to the same value.

13 Jul 2018 13:28:47
I’m sure hoffman wasn’t exclusively shopped to San Jose. Dorian would have called just about everyone about hoffman and that’s what he got. I’d say that’s the best way to determine true value. Half the league who had a need for a scoring winger determined he wasn’t worth more than that. That’s what I will take as fair value over what one guy who also thinks Craig Anderson is the answer to other teams goalie problems believes lol and believes they won the Duchene trade, and believes they have all the leverage with Karlsson lol.

13 Jul 2018 15:44:42
@Rambone they may be the goofiest thing I’ve ever read.

13 Jul 2018 22:29:44
It wasn't proven wrong yup. put that situation a trade in the hands of a competant gm instead of goofball Dorian and I guarentee a better trade is made. if brian Murray were still around for instance. the guy may not have made many trades but the ones he did make were always respectable at the time of the trades.

He turned rundblad into turris

He turned a 2nd into bishop then into a 4yh plus conacher who at the time was looking like he could be a future stud in the league

He also move the unmovable spezza contract and actually got what was a decent haul for it as a draft pick, a solid prospect in paul at the time and a guy in chiasson who along with nuchishkin in dallas were breaking out nicely at the time, not bad for a 1 dimensional 8 million contract with lots of term left

I could keep going but you should get the point by now. and actually players like chiason and conacher are exactly why players like point and sergachev aren't as highly valued as you may think they are and also why a guy like Karlsson is more than enough to land both plus a 1st. you can't predict that they will find a season like that again but you can with Karlsson as he's been high level for years now.

14 Jul 2018 11:38:44
Did you seriously just cite Chiason and Concacher as a comparable for Point and Servachev?

You're spare parts bud.

11 Jul 2018 21:20:26
Washington: Tom Wilson/Andre Burakovsky, Lucus Johanson and 1st 2019

Columbus: Antrimi Paniran

* Capitals have over 8 million in cap space with only Wilson to sign

Washington- gets the best player in the deal and one of the most skilled players in the nhl. Would be ridiculous on the 2nd line. Could finally break out and become Washington's highest producing player.

Columbus: Wilson is one of the best in the NHL at what he does ( torts would love him ) and Bura is a young player on the uprise. They also get 2 1st round picks.

Top 9 for caps-
Bura-Eller-Smith Pelly

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12 Jul 2018 05:18:08
1) the value of wilson and burakovsky are way different
2) if you want to suggest a trade you should be able to spell the guy's name. Panarin*.

12 Jul 2018 13:06:19
Good work, vb. Is this offer for an extended Paniran or not?

12 Jul 2018 13:35:36
No it’s not for an extended Paniran but if he were willing to take a discount around 7 mil the caps could resign him.

12 Jul 2018 13:42:41
PKane88- maybe provide some imput on the actual trade instead of stating the obvious? I sware I went on cap geek to Copy his name but I totally forgot lol. Anyway what’s your imput on the value.

12 Jul 2018 15:43:04
I think the jackets could do better even without an extension in place for panarin. I also think he will get paid at least 9 mil or more.

13 Jul 2018 03:50:12
You butchered his name lol

13 Jul 2018 13:03:59
Way too much for wsh to give up wilson and a first is plenty.

13 Jul 2018 13:38:21
VB- I said that burakovsky and wilson value is way different, if it is wilson i'd say fair deal, if burakovsky i'd say huge overpayment by washington.

11 Jul 2018 21:19:21
Only because it would be cool to have 2 nylanders together plus toronto has to make a move or 2 before they lose one of the other 3 of the big 4 to free agency due to no cap space

Tor : Gardiner, brown

Buf : a. Nylander

Marleau Tavares marner
Nylander Matthew's nylander
Hyman karri martin.

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11 Jul 2018 21:55:54
The Leafs are not going to lose one of the big 4 due to cap space. The only potential cap casualty will be Marleau, and that is not a certainty.

I wouldn't expect someone with your mental capacity to be able to handle the math, but there's this program called microsoft excel that might help you develop an informed opinion instead of spewing your usual nonsense.

Also, your lines are as ignorant as your trade proposals and Martin does not play for the Leafs anymore. You're really owning that dunce cap.

11 Jul 2018 22:10:51
Just stop Rambo. They’re not losing anyone, anytime soon. Toronto doesn’t need another forward and you don’t make trades because it’s cool.

11 Jul 2018 22:37:55
Even if they sign Nylander, Mathews and Marner for 10 mil each they’d still have cap space LOL obviously they’re not going to sign for 10 mil so the leafs are good.

Value wise I would probably give a 3rd from the leafs Nylander has proved nothing he can't even get playing time in the AHL on an infieror team let alone get time on the Calder cup winning marlies and especially not the leafs.

11 Jul 2018 23:18:32
And leafs Defense is their weaker point, offense is stacked with skill. So let’s trade our 2nd best defenseman and a penalty killing/ checking forward with 20 and 14 goals the last 2 years for a skilled forward who hasn’t made good strides since being drafted lol that’s Rambo Logic at its best. Just do us a favour and stick to solving Calgary’s goalie problem of 36 year old Mike Smith with 37 year old Craig Anderson lol

Rambo is like those late night infomercials selling blankets with sleeves. He solves problems you didn’t know you even had haha.

11 Jul 2018 23:37:56
I'm pretty sure buffalo mixes that.

12 Jul 2018 00:25:00
Did anyone notice he put Martin in the lineup ( NYI ) and Left Kappanen out?

12 Jul 2018 03:43:26
Yeah ok. because 25 million free space is more than enough to get nylander ar 7 to 8 million marner at 8 to 9 million and Matthew's at 10 to 11 million and still have extra cap to sign the rest of the team. Makes total sense my math totally sucks that totally makes 10 million used not 25 to 28 million used right guys? Get real and do the math yourself and stop making ridiculous comments cap doesn't always go up either it goes down too and even if it goes up it's not by more than 2 to 3 million tops.

12 Jul 2018 11:23:04
Gardiner and Brown for Karlsson. The leafs take on more salary just to prove Rambo wrong. Ottawa gets the better defenseman in the deal and a top 6 sniper. Maybe NY will give you Martin and you can slot him alongside Stone.

12 Jul 2018 11:36:34
Lmao, you kinda explainedit to yourself Rambo.

We know that the Leafs will be pressed against the cap. We know Marner/ Nylander/ Matthews combined will be about 23 million. That remaining 3ish millioj goes into filling holes (bottom 6 d, fourth line, etc) . Thatll be for year 2019/ 20. Afer that, Marleaus offf the books and we gain more cap space. And even if we did need cap space, what good does trading for Alex Nylander do?

12 Jul 2018 12:41:32
Since I am a firm believer in supporting kids with special needs, I'll take the time out of my morning to once again educate you Rambo.

Marner and Matthews are still on entry level contracts this season.

Nylander needs to be extended, but it will not be for "7 to 8 million" as you so daftly put. Give your head a shake and look and comparables. Pastrnak (same draft year, better player) was extended at $6.7 million. Nylander is not going to make a million more per year than him.

The Leafs have zero cap issues heading into this year. Get that through your thick skull. They have over $20 million in space (once you account for Horton on LTIR) with only Nylander to extend and a few Marlies/ cheap UFA signings to plug bottom end roster spots. When all is said and done they will have around $5 mln extra space to play with at the trade deadline.

The 2019-2020 season is when things could get tighter, depending on where the cap shakes out. For 2018-2019 it is currently projected to be $79.5 million (upper limit) . It may not increase much from that in 2019-2020, but it is certainly not going to decrease, especially in light of further expansion eventually coming (Seattle) .

Here's who the Leafs have signed already for 2019-2020 (not including Horton who will be on LTIR) :

Tavares (11 mln)
Marleau (6.25 mln)
Kadri (4.3 mln)
Hyman (2.25 mln)
Brown (2.1 mln)
Rielly (5 mln)
Zaitsev (4.5 mln)
Dermott (0.863 mln)
Andersen (5 mln)
Kessel buyout (1.2 mln)

That's ~$42.5 mln.

Add (projected signings) :
Nylander (6.5 mln)
Matthews (11 mln)
Marner (8 mln)
Kapanen (2.1 mln)
Johnsson (2.1 mln)
Gauthier (0.675 mln)
Grundstrom (0.925 mln)
Marchment (0.7675 mln)
Leivo (1.0 mln)
Liljegren (0.894 mln)
Rosen (1.1 mln)
Borgman (1.1 mln)
Ozhiganov (1.1 mln)
Sparks (1.0 mln)

That's ~$38.3 mln, for a total of ~$80.8 mln for a full 23 man roster, not much higher than the current projected limit for 2018-2019. If the cap goes up by a few million, the Leafs may not have to do anything. Worst case scenario, Marleau (who will be owed only ~$4 mln in actual salary after his bonus is paid on July 1st) could be traded to a team looking to get to the cap floor.

The Leafs will have options and are not in a cap bind such that one of the big four will have to be traded. Dubas has said this. Maybe Nylander is traded for help on the back end, but that will be for a similar caliber player on Defense, making a similar amount of money. Maybe if you did not still have guys like Martin who don't even play for the Leafs in your lineup you could see this.

School's out kiddo.

12 Jul 2018 14:04:01
You missed gardine did you not?

12 Jul 2018 14:20:41
Rambo, you spend a lot of time trying to poke holes in the leafs plan and recent/ future success for a guy who’s team in the last year:
-had owner threaten to move the team
-lost a Duchene trade
-ignored the harassment of your superstars family
-had their assistant GM arrested for molestiing a young man at the draft combine
-has wives taking out restraining orders against each other
-lost hoffman trade BAD
-had best player/ captain say publicly he’s done playing for the organization
-pending lawsuit against Ceci
-low-balled next best player (Stone) and he’s in arbitration, a year away from UFA
-drafted 4th overall this year, team is far worse next year and Avs own your pick

Maybe you should focus more on the senators, because leafs Owners, management, coaching and players seem to be in pretty good shape lol.

12 Jul 2018 14:27:23
@Alpaca: Gardiner's contract is up this year, and I suspect he will want more than the Leafs are willing to pay him (I'm sure he could get more on the UFA market), so I did not include him on their 2019-2020 roster.

12 Jul 2018 21:46:19
I love it. Rambo and half the internet trying to turn signing Tavares into a bad thing. All of a sudden the leafs are going to have to dismantle the plan and lose Nylander, maybe Marner as well. Did they improve their defense, no. Did they bring in an absolute stud #1 center, yes. Get over it Rambo and anyone else who can’t handle the progress a team that struggled for years is making. If ONE of the young guns are traded, it will be for a defenseman like others have said. If there is cap issues, worst case scenario is trading Nylander for a 3-4 million dollar defenseman and a high draft pick. They’d save a couple million (assuming Nylander gets at least 6), get a 3-4 d man and re stock the cupboards.

13 Jul 2018 00:06:29
I'll have the popcorn ready next July when toronto is trying to choose which star to match an offer sheet on and which one to let go to to cap restraints.

13 Jul 2018 01:05:16
rambo, seriously do you think marner and matthew get to rfa without extensions, even if they did, both of them, do you seriously think the leafs wouldn't laugh at getting 4 first round picks for the amount of money that offer sheet would need to be for it to make the leafs not able to match due to "cap restraints"?

you are the new montrealfinest. you are the GOAT.

13 Jul 2018 02:25:06
Cool. When neither of those things happen hopefully we will not have lost count of everything else you have been wrong about. it's hard to keep track of.

Should the Leafs be worried about an offer sheet for Matt Martin? Asking for a friend.

13 Jul 2018 06:41:02
Have the popcorn with the peanuts you got for Hoffman.

13 Jul 2018 11:31:22
Peanuts for brains** @Leafs17.

13 Jul 2018 11:54:43
This guy makes FairTrade4all sound completely rational. I don’t think we’ve heard from him since the Eberle trade. There’s a few decent Oiler fans on here, but he was special. Kind of like Rambo.

13 Jul 2018 12:56:47
It don't matter how many 1sts they get if they don't match if the team that lands one of them is a playoff contender. 1 out of 4 might make a small difference in that case if they're lucky. plus they only get 4 if the offer sheet is 10 mln +.

13 Jul 2018 14:32:12
If the offer sheet is less the 10+ million the Leafs will have the cap space!

13 Jul 2018 15:05:53
Well yeah, and if it was under $10 mill for an offer sheet on Matthews, the leafs would match it and celebrate because that’s cheaper than he will sign here for lol you make zero sense.

And if it’s over $10 mill for marner, they take the 4 1st rounders and pack marners bags for him. If it’s between $8-10 mill we would get 2 1sts, a 2nd and a 3rd. Then would have to see where those picks would be (which team it is) and make a decision.

This management has planned for this. They didn’t go from dead last to a serious contender in 30 months by accident lol just keep making a fool of yourself, it’s entertaining seeing you so jealous that your team is in the toilet on and off the ice and the rest of the league is picking on them like vultures haha.


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