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09 Jul 2018 00:30:05
Blues trade: Fabbri

Canadiens trade: Pacioretty

Not too sure of the value here with fabbri's injuries and Paciorettys last Season. But I think it benefits both teams

Schwartz Schenn Tarasenko
Pacioretty O'Reilly Perron
Thomas Bozak Steen
Jaskin Barbashev Soshnikov

Edmundson Pietrangelo
Gunnarson parayko
Boumeester Dunn

Allen

Could go for a good run? Don't ya think?

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09 Jul 2018 02:25:23
Need to upgrade Allan for a deep run.

09 Jul 2018 02:36:56
Think they gave up on pacioretty when they got O'Reilly, but a maybe I guess.

09 Jul 2018 04:11:13
They can trade for price too if they want.

09 Jul 2018 04:27:22
Habby i'm starting to agree with your trade Price idea. With Weber out for a few months as well, it may be a good time to get a nice haul for Price and rebuild. Price is in his prime and a change of scenery could be exactly what he needs. I think his value is still very high as they do not need to trade him. Even if he has struggled as of late, he is still a top 10 goalie in the nhl IMO. Even if he carried the team on his back to the playoffs, they are not contenders right now. Start the rumours!

09 Jul 2018 04:50:59
Price for Mcdavid, Draisaitil, Pulajajarvi, 3 1sts.

09 Jul 2018 05:32:08
Blues add.

09 Jul 2018 05:49:11
Blues won't trade fabbri at 975k and rag control for patches. Also unless you retain blues don't need prices bad contract.

09 Jul 2018 13:37:24
Haha redwing is sooo colt.

08 Jul 2018 19:26:37
OTT: Ryan
EDM: Lucic

Straight up trade, no retained salary. Ryan's cap hit is a little more but Lucic has an extra year on his contract.

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08 Jul 2018 20:57:07
Ryan is a pylon, would rather have lucic atleast he can throw some weight around and not get hurt every game lol

08 Jul 2018 23:27:19
Hmm that’s funny considering Ryan had 1 less Point in 20 less games. Ryan and Dustin brown are comparables. Lucic, Zach Parise And Seabrook are comparables.

09 Jul 2018 00:40:56
I disagree Billy . Ryan, if healthy can actually be a decent top 6 guy . isn't outstanding but definitely doesn't look out of place.

09 Jul 2018 00:50:18
Carerul; you'll rouse Rambo from his mom's basement to tell you how much value Bobby Ryan has.

09 Jul 2018 02:42:13
Well to be a top 6 at his salary is ridiculous, lucic can be a top 6 guy when healthy also. so can a lot of players that make 1 mil so saying he can be a decent top 6 at his salary, he needs to be a top 1-2 on the team, not oh he's the top 8-9 players on the team.

09 Jul 2018 15:26:02
Bony Ryan can score when healthy and is a smart player he could slot in with mcdavid and be able to beside him but that contract though is just awful.

09 Jul 2018 17:13:58
If bobby Ryan was making $4 mill they would easily find him a home. Problem is he makes 7.25 and you don’t need to spend that for a winger to play with a star. You can find guys in the minors that have a great scoring touch, but just not good enough all round to make it in a top 6 role (guentzel, sheary) . Then slot them in beside mcdavids, Matthews, Crosby’s etc and for $1-2mill you can get 80-100% of Ryan’s production at a fraction of the cost. These centres can make 25-30 pt role players into 50+ pt guys.

08 Jul 2018 16:48:53
Montreal receive: Callahan, 2020 2nd
Tampa bay receive: 2019 6th

Montreal receive: Beauvillier, Ho-Sang, 2nd 2019
Islanders receive: Pacioretty, Shaw (25% retained), 4th 2020

Montreal receive: 3rd 2019
Florida receive: Callahan (50% retained)

Domi Danualt Gallagher
Drouin Beauvillier Hudon
Lehkonen Peca Scherbak
Byron Plek Ho-Sang.

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09 Jul 2018 03:24:13
Decent trade buds.

08 Jul 2018 06:23:10
Karlsson to dallas for spezza, methot, bishop? (Nevermind) i thought i would toss something alittle different for an idea, it goes like this
Ottawa trades: karlsson, ryan, 2019 2nd and future considerations
Dallas trades: heiskanen, honka and 1st

(The immediate future consideration)
Ottawa trades: smith, paul
Dallas trades: ryan (@ 50% retention)

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08 Jul 2018 08:45:00
DAL apparently won't include Heiskanen, so there goes your trade.

09 Jul 2018 00:04:10
If Dallas will include Heiskanen i think its like Tampa. One of Heiskanen/ Honka just like one of Sergachev/ Foote, but not both.

08 Jul 2018 04:01:43
Tampa Trade -
To OTT
• (C) Cal Foote
• (D) Mikhail Sergachev
• (2019) 1st-Round Pick
• (RW) Ryan Callahan
To TB
• (D) Erik Karlsson

Dallas Trade -
To OTT
• (D) Julias Honka
• (D) Miro Heskianen
• (2019) 1st-Round Pick
To DAL
• (D) Erik Karlsson

Edmonton Trade -
To OTT
• (RW) Jesse Puljujärvi
• (LW) Milan Lucic
• (D) Ethan Bear
• (2019) 1st-Round Pick
To EDM
• (D) Erik Karlsson

Calgary Trade -
To OTT
• (D) Travis Hamonic
• (D) Juuso Välimäki
• (2019) 1st-Round Pick
• (C) Dillon Dube
To CGY
• (D) Erik Karlsson


What package would you take if you're ottawa?

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08 Jul 2018 04:59:38
The Dallas one.

08 Jul 2018 08:46:05
The package TB sends is definitely better than the DAL one. Which is the reason TB sure won't send both Sergachev AND Foote.

08 Jul 2018 11:36:28
One of those offers is not like the others haha

You cheer for Edmonton by any chance?

08 Jul 2018 15:12:42
Idk triplets I think heskinenen has the ability to be much better then sergachev or foote plus dallas doesn't take back a bad contract like the other deals and I feel there is a better chance of there 1st being a bit higher then tampa.

08 Jul 2018 15:40:46
None of those teams accept besides Edmonton and Calargry.

08 Jul 2018 00:02:56
Trade suggestion including 3 teams your thoughts? To:FLAMES. James Reimer 3.4 mil x 3rys. 30yrs old Nick Bjugstad 4.1 mil x 3yrs. 25yrs old To:Panthers Zuccarellio 4.5 mil x 1yr 30yrs old. Sam Bennett 1.95 mil 22yrs olds. Prospect Oliver Kylington. Rangers 1st 2019. To:Rangers Troy Brouwer 4.5 mil x 2yrs 32yrs old. Michael Frolik 4.3 mil x 2yrs 30yrs old. Keith Yandle 6.35 mil x 5yrs 31 yrs old. Flames 2nd&3rd picks 2020.

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08 Jul 2018 21:03:17
So
Flames get - James Reimer, Nick Bjugstad
Panthers get - Mats Zucarello, Sam Bennett, Rangers 1st
Rangers get - Troy Brouwer, Michael Frolik, Keith Yandle, flames 2nd and 3rd

Rangers are rebuilding, flames get fleeced, florida rips off both teams lol. Dumb, flames are good down the middle and at goal aswell.

08 Jul 2018 23:45:53
Flames won't trade their 2nd and 3rd this year after they collosally botched the hamonic trade.

09 Jul 2018 02:54:09
Thanks for clearing that up billy.

09 Jul 2018 20:35:03
Flames have to pay to dump brouwer and in this scenario we free up cap space. Any sugestions to make this a bit better?

07 Jul 2018 22:09:30
from OTT --> Karlsson and conditional 1st and 3rd round pick 2020 or 2021 if Karlson is lost to free agency
from TBL --> Sergachev, 1st round pick 2020

I think people overestimate the value of their player like Karlsson. The value of young players is increasing while players after the age 28 are in their peak but closer to the fall.

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08 Jul 2018 03:54:47
Dumb for Ottawa if that's all i was getting i wouldn't do it. Their is more teams in the mix for Karlsson so why would they take that low baller from Tampa?

08 Jul 2018 05:54:35
Terrible proposal for karlsson from an ottawa perspective.

08 Jul 2018 08:47:18
Sergachev and 1st sounds like a very good proposal, imo.
You guys are forgetting what a terrible situation OTT is an and that they'll lost EK for nothing at the end of the year if they don't trade him now. Whatever team gets him won't pay the "full price"

08 Jul 2018 11:54:32
Youre insane if you think karlsson is basically worth sergachev straight up

08 Jul 2018 15:43:21
Almost as insane as Hoffman being worth a 5th rd pick I agree. Don’t think Tampa would be willing to include Sergachev but if they are they take it and run.

09 Jul 2018 02:58:49
Wow, now one of the top few de in the league is worth a young guy and a lower pick? Hoffman got traded for garbage because of his insane gf, Karlsson is a waaaaay better player and doesn't have the baggage.

09 Jul 2018 05:00:08
Yah that’s probably why he brings in Segechev and not a 5th but because he’s on the senator And only willing to sign on a few teams that lowers his value.

07 Jul 2018 18:47:20
OTT: Karlsson, Pageau
TBL: Sergachev, Point, Callahan
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Tampa gets one of the best Defensemen on the planet and a great 3rd line center, great on the pk and very good on faceoffs. Doubt they would want to give up both Serg. and Point, but they also get rid of Callahans contract.

Ottawa gets a great 1B Center and a 20 yr old top 4 D coming off of a great rookie year. However take back another bad contract.
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Boedker - Duchene - White
Dzingel - Point - Stone
Chlapik - Brown - Ryan
Pajaarvi - Smith - Callahan

Sergachev - Wideman
Chabot - Jaros
Boroweicki - Wolanin
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Miller - Stamkos - Kucherov
Palat - Johnson - Gourde
Killorn - Pageau - Cirelli
Paquette - Adreoff- ?

Hedman - Karlsson
Mcdonagh - Stralman
Coburn - Girardi

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07 Jul 2018 19:29:30
forgot Ceci in the Sens line-up . guess it was a freudian slip lol.

07 Jul 2018 20:11:37
Huge no from Tampa.

07 Jul 2018 22:23:02
I garauntee Yzerman isn't giving up both Sergachev and Point. Not a chance in hell. I would even bet there's a good chance he isn't giving up just one of them let alone both.

08 Jul 2018 05:56:30
In my opinion its one or the other of sergachev/ point but not both.

07 Jul 2018 18:19:55
Ok so Tampa and Ottawa are close to a deal but Tampa want a 3rd or maybe even 4th team involved to dump some cap so.

Ott : sergachev, point, Johnson, nyi 1st

Tbl : Karlsson, white, ott 3rd, nyr 6th

Nyi : palat, Ryan, pageau, tbl 2nd

Nyr : Callahan, tbl 3rd

Rangers get a fan favorite back plus upgrade their pick for next to nothing

Islanders get 2 top 6 guys with scoring touch to fill the void left by tavares plus a serviceable 3rd line center by downgrading their 1st to a 2nd

Ottawa gets a 1st back plus 2 promising young talents bu taking on Johnson's cap to replace Ryan's

Tampa dumps a bunch of cap but upgrades a late 3rd to what will prob be an early 3rd plus they get a 6th a high end prospect who will fit nicely with them and oh yeah the best defenceman in the world.

Killorn stamkos kucherov
Gourd miller cirelli

Hedman Karlsson
Mcdonagh Girardi

Deadly at both ends.

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07 Jul 2018 19:07:28
Islander and rangers get hose very bad.

07 Jul 2018 19:29:22
Aiii this makes no sense so lemme break it down:

TB Acquires: Karlsson, White, 3rd, 6th
TB Trades: Serg, Point, Johnson, Palat, Callahan, 2nd, 3rd

OTT Acquires: Sergachev, Point, Johnson, 1st
OTT Trades: Karlsson, White, Ryan, Pageau, 3rd

NYI Acquires: Palat, Ryan, Pageau, 2nd
NYI Trades: 1st

NYR Trades: 6th
NYR Acquires: Callahan, 3td

Okay. putting into perspective, ottawa, as per usual with rambo propsosals, fleeces everyone. You get potentially a top5 pick, serg and point for EK w one year left, a terrible contract that will take at least a 1st to get rid off, some throw aways and colin white.

Lets say white = johnson.
pageaus worth nothing in the grand scheme of things; karlsson gets one of serg or point and a 1st (NOT AN NYI FIRST THAT COULD BE TOP10), and ryan takes away value from the deal. that's a ripoff by Ottawa.

tampa gets fleeced too, downgrading from Johnson to White, and then basically all of their youth and a 60 pount winger in Palat for EK. that's not even close to fair. Sure they get rid of callahan but his contract is MUCH easier to get rid of than Ryans, and Ottawa got more value back that way in the proposed deal. And don't tell me Callahans contract is worse and weighs down the deal. Ryans contractis 10x worse.

and nyi doesn't make that deal that pixk can be top10 and nobody wants ryan.

and itll take more to entice NYR to take Callahan.

07 Jul 2018 20:27:56
Islanders take on a brutal contract, a 3rd liner and a decent player that won’t help their case rebuilding and in return take their first rounder (probably top 5) and downgrade to Tampa’s 2nd (should be 55-62). Lol this is awful.

In reality Bobby Ryan is nothing more than a bad contract which the islanders can take but would want a first rounder to do it.

On your mind he’s still a good player. which hurts their rebuild.

Either way you just involved the islanders to help the senators, not themselves lol.

07 Jul 2018 20:50:07
You're setting yourself up for a major disappointment again.

07 Jul 2018 22:31:37
There is absolutely no chance that Karlsson goes for any less than both sergachev and point plus a 1st so get over you unrealistic expectations. Ottawa lost enough trades and getting fleeced on this one is simply not an option.

On top of all that Tampa is up against the cap with or with getting Karlsson as kucherov is up for a huge raise soon and point sergachev cirelli and gourds will also be getting substantial raises. with 3 million in space how do you propose they pull it off?

Tampa after this type of deal can afford to sign EK and give kucherov his raise plus have enough down the road for gourde and cirelli plus they get a future replacement for Johnson in white.

Rangers hardly get fleeced when all they give up is a 6th and in return they get back a fan favourite and a 3rd they come out great and Tampa dumps a bad contract.

Ottawa gets value for value and dumps an overpayed/ not bad contract in Ryan.

Islanders get 2 guys who consistantly get 50+ points a season and a playoff performer 3rd line center by downgrading a 1st to a 2nd.

No matter how you look at it no team gets fleeced in this.

Ottawa gets a future

Tampa forms the realist defence in the league without losing its stride up front and dumps a lot of un needed cap

Islanders get a few pieces to lessen the blow of losing tavares

Rangers basically get something for nothing as a 6th making it in NHL is basically a what? 5% chance?

All teams get better after this.

And fyi no way in hell Johnson equals white. Johnson been going downhill and is slightly overpayed just like Ryan. Tampa is actually trying to move him anyway with or without ek trade.

Plus both rangers and islanders have more than enough cap space to take on these contracts after these last 6 months.

08 Jul 2018 00:49:06
Unbiased jim how does this not help the islanders? They are not in rebuild and are set to offer a huge offer sheet to either Matthew's or marner next season. don't you think either of those guys will want someone to play with? A top 6 of 1 of those 2, barzal, eberle, bailey, Lee, and either Palat, or Ryan sounds pretty solid to me and 1 of those guys on 3rd line with pageau gives massive depth. a team like that wouldn't need a rebuild for a while. and that's not even counting wahlstrom who will also be joining the team eventually this trade definately makes the islanders strong enough to be a playoff team this season and if they land one of the big toronto 2 next season they'll be even crazier.

Then you got the rangers who have tons of cap space and essentially give a useless pick to get a decent pick and a guy who is familiar with their team. again rangers get stronger too.

Tampa needs to dump a contract or 2 for kucherov to be affordable anyway so why not dump 3 huge contracts and bring in the top defenseman in the world to boot. on top of that point sergachev gourde cireli and Miller are going to want big raises as well when contracts are up and there is no way tamp can afford all 5 so it makes sense to use 2 to get a huge piece that can put them over the edge like Karlsson can by jacking up their defence and giving the younger guys they still would have a shot at more ice time it's obvious that Tampa is not only more affordable after the deal but also much stronger for it plus with all the guys moving out white gets a shot to join NHL roster much sooner.

I for one as a true Sens fan would consider any less than a trade involving point and sergachev type players and a 1st round pick a massive loss on Sens part. a loss that cannot be allowed after every other garbage trade Dorian has made.

08 Jul 2018 04:41:03
Thanks topshelf for putting that into english for everyone, and you're right ottawa wins every trade proposal rambo makes by a landslide.

08 Jul 2018 07:57:53
Rambo, you’re an idiot. If Matthews and marner want good players to play with, they sign with Toronto and get each other, Tavares, Nylander, marleau, Kadri, Rielly, Gardiner etc to play with lol

If you think either of them leave the leafs right now to go to the islanders you’re dumber than I thought.

Secondly you say no way Karlsson gets traded unless Sergachev AND Point are coming back?! I take that bet all day long. You will be dead wrong again like always

And I love “Sens have lost too many trades lately, they can’t lose this one too! ” It’s the same owner and same GM that made the rest of the trades haha why would you expect different?!

08 Jul 2018 14:05:24
RYAN SUCKS. GET OVER IT. HE MAKES THE TRADE VALUE DROP IMMENSELY.

You know why the TB/ OTT deal didn’t happen some nights ago? Because your stupid ownerr wanted to include RYan too and NOBODYYYYY wants his LUDRICIS comtract.

Arguing with you is like arguing with a brick wall. Get over it man. You aren't getting Point, Johnson, Sergachev and a top 10 pick for EK and Pageau, as Ryan basically neglects White.

08 Jul 2018 15:31:08
Biased jim. yeah because they will totally want to take a massive pay cut to stay in toronto lmfao gtfoh. after signing tavares at 11 mil per season how do you expect them to even have to cap room to sign all the other 3? Nylanader is going to get around 7 million marner around 9 million and Matthew's around 11 million. how do you want them to pay the rest of the team? In the form of a case of beer? Lmfao if they get a great offer they will leave like tavares did.

Top shelf crappers. use your head. Ryan is top 6. puts up identical numbers to palat. only difference is 2.25 million overpayment. yet Ryan sucks and palat don't right? Go sell that garbage to someone who will actually buy it. I actually follow hockey and don't buy in to the trashy comments like that. I like most real hockey fans know exactly what Ryan is capable of and does for our team.

08 Jul 2018 15:51:24
There’s a better chance of Karlsson being waived by the sens for Extra cap room and being claimed by CSKA Moscow then the sens getting Point and Sergachev in the same deal.

Also I’m willing to bet my legs and arms that Mathews and Marner don’t sign an offer sheet.

08 Jul 2018 16:52:01
Unless the leafs move Marleau kadri brown rielly and Gardiner before they need to sign those 2 I'd gladly take a bet on that vbbvbb it's easy money.

Sens won't take any less than both those guys plus a 1st. they aren't taking another loss so get over it and stop overvaluing other teams players and undervaluing sens players.

08 Jul 2018 16:58:55
If you are proven wrong again Rambo, will you please leave this site? You just look to start sh*t every day.

08 Jul 2018 17:26:46
As shown on my other post penguins in 2014 signed 5 players- Crosby, Malkin, Neal, letang and fleury for 58.5 of the salary cap

Leafs could pay Nylander 6.5, matthews 11.25 ans marner 8.5 and that would mean they’re using 62% of their cap on 7 players - Tavares, Matthews, marner, Nylander, Kadri, Rielly and Andersen.
That’s how lol.

08 Jul 2018 17:36:36
I agree with leafs17, please just take a hike rambo. you're annoying to even senators fans, your insight is always a joke. saying things like "what bobby ryan brings to our team" and speaking of his capabilities or whatever, the guy is a cap dump. with 29 million dollars still left on his deal, he could be the biggest cap dump in the league. saying that you "actually follow hockey" could be debated by many on here, as you are inaccurate with mostly everything you say. your knowledge of the NHL and hockey in general is weak and you probably can't tell the difference between your ass and your face. and yet, we have to put up with your ignorance everyday.

08 Jul 2018 19:06:36
I won’t say another word on the Karlsson thing till he’s traded, but if Ottawa get ”atleast Point, Sergachev and a 1st” I will make a post saying Rambo was right and Dorian is a Jedi.

If they get what is actually realistic (a young roster player, prospect and 1st) then Rambo should admit he’s completely clueless and knock off the Sens boas BS.

08 Jul 2018 22:30:22
Ramo, take a hike. Kadri, Rielly, Brown are all on team friendly contracts. Its not going to happen.

09 Jul 2018 03:22:59
Leafs I ain't starting anything. the reason I joined this site is because I like reading rumors on my team but when I found this site all I seen was tracy 1 sided rumors that were more of a laugh than believable. 1 guys posts were respectable and even he don't post anymore so I needed to provide a voice for real hockey fans who wanted to see respectable rumors rather than the trash posted here.

And as for you facelift please don't mistake yourself for a Sens fan because that's a joke in itself. if you were you wouldn't be arguing with common sense. as for your Bobby Ryan comment, should we all band together and call the executives of NHL. com and tell them to fix their stats categories? Seeing as how you all love to argue how ryan ain't worth nothing shouldn't his stats reflect that at least? Because for someone ot worth anything his stats certainly don't reflect that in any way. teams want point. He provides points. Any arguments are POINTLESS and wrong!

07 Jul 2018 14:57:23
Josh Leivo and a 2020 2nd Round Draft Selection to the Boston Bruins in exchange for Adam McQuaid and a 2019 5th Round Draft Selection.

I feel that McQuaid is what Toronto is missing; a tough RHD. I feel like a 2nd may be a lot, but I think it may be worth it, especially since Boston has a surplus of defence like McQuaid such as Miller, Chara and now Moore. After Moore’s signing, McQuaid becomes like a 7/ 8 dman on Boston, just because of their depth. Boston saves 2million in cap too, and gets a decent bottom six forward.

Toronto D-Core:

Rielly - Zaitsev
Gardiner - Hainsey
Dermott - McQuaid

Boston D-Core:
Chara - McAvoy
Krug - Carlo
Moore - Miller.

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07 Jul 2018 17:15:44
I would love McQuaid on the leafs. He is exactly what I think the leafs need as well. Talent wise, maybe not. However they do need a couple physical d IMO, which is why I suggested Bieksa a few days ago.

 


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