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10 Jan 2019 04:26:59
Just a couple ideas to try and help both teams.

Toronto trades Brown to Edmonton for Kassian and a 2nd? They have similar cap hits, I added the pick from Edmonton because Brown is better and younger.
Toronto gets tougher, Edmonton gets a little deeper.


Toronto trades Kapanen to Edmonton for Kassian and Bear? Toronto gets tougher and another RD in their system. Edmonton gets a top 6 forward that could be real good with McDavid. I'm thinking Edmonton might have to add to this but I know Oiler fans really like Bear.

Are either of these fair value? I'd rather a Nylander/Nurse swap but I don't think that would ever happen.

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10 Jan 2019 05:32:11
I personally wouldn’t include a 2nd to get brown, it would be a 3-4th round because like you said Toronto needs some grit and I don’t see brown worth that much.

10 Jan 2019 05:32:33
And Kassian and bear for Kapanen go right ahead.

10 Jan 2019 11:36:32
I wouldn't do the Kapanen deal to be honest. Kassian honestly has very low value, wouldn't trade away a guy on pace for 20/ 50 for him and Bear, even if Bear is highly regarded, aince he hasn't played much in the NHL. First trade i'm on board with, although, i don't think wed get a second.

10 Jan 2019 16:38:12
Thanks guys. I really don’t want to lose Kapanen and I don’t know a lot about Bear. I would like Kassian on Toronto though.

10 Jan 2019 20:52:55
Bear is former whl dman of the year and is a pp qb with an absolute cannon, shorter dman but with experience may be a competent offensive 3rd pairing dman.

11 Jan 2019 00:06:03
Thanks notdelusional. The leafs seem to like the little guys.

11 Jan 2019 04:27:48
Kapanen is a top six player. Looks like a perennial 20+ goal scorer. He is worth more than a depth forward and depth prospect. Kassian for Brown makes more sense.

10 Jan 2019 04:23:24
W. Nylander C

S. Jones D

N. Zaitsev D

R. Polak D

1st 2019
2nd 2020
3rd 2020
F. Gauthier C

S. Gostisbehere D
W. Simmonds RW

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10 Jan 2019 05:51:55
The only one that isn't completely laughable is the zaitsev deal. i don't think clb trades jones for marner to be honest so they are for sure not going to trade him for nylander. that 3rd deal would probably get simmonds but not both guys.

10 Jan 2019 08:23:21
You can't be serious. Seth Jones for nylander straight up. Lol that's not even close.

The other trades are bad too. got to give to get. Jones would require marner or mathews.

10 Jan 2019 11:29:20
If there's a TOR player CBJ trade Jones straight up for, it's Matthews. Even then it's debatable whether either team would do it. Nylander for Jones is just straight comedy.

10 Jan 2019 13:20:39
I’d rather do

Tor: Nylander, Kadri, Kappanen, Gardiner, Liligren, Sandin And 1st 2019


Then Marner or Mathews for Jones.

10 Jan 2019 17:07:06
Nylander for Jones no. Polak for Zaitsev straight up, A big no for the Philly trade.

10 Jan 2019 22:21:09
Other than the Blackhawks trying to rebuild their dynasty teams, whens the last time you RECENTLY heard of a player going back to the same team they were traded from/ left via free agency?

Polak for Zaitsev and a pick? no.

10 Jan 2019 02:42:30
I'm not a Sens fan or Oilers fan so if I'm misjudging talent sorry in advance.

With that being said, I feel like an Oilers Sens trade could work really well. If the Sens are unable to sign Mark Stone, they need to trade him to bring in as many assets as possible. The Oilers are in desperate, and I mean desperate, need of everything except for centres and maybe goalies.

Edm: Puljujärvi, 1st rounder 2019, and either a prospect like Bear or Bouchard or RNH.

Sens: Mark Stone, maybe a Dman?

The Sens are clearly not willing to let Puljujärvi properly develop and I get the feeling they are getting a little tired of RNH so I think they could be stolen in a trade. Edmonton and the sens will both be desperate at this point and it could work for both teams. I'm having the oilers overpay a little here because I think that they are in worse situation. Ottawa at least has okay prospects and are able to blow it up.

Let me know what you think. As I said I'm not a fan of either team so I don't watch them that much.

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10 Jan 2019 05:55:42
Cap might work if nuge is in the deal but the oilers don't make the trade unless stone agrees to a new deal. Nuge puljujarvi and bear maybe a 2nd for stone (signed) seems ok to me.

10 Jan 2019 13:21:59
Definitely not Bouchard or Nuge added on that. I think stone would be gross with McDavid.

10 Jan 2019 14:18:41
I like stone but that seems like an awful lot, signed or not imo.

10 Jan 2019 15:23:53
Holy that’s way too much for stone especially UFA at the end of the year.

10 Jan 2019 17:18:33
I probably should have added that I'm not sure if he would be signed or not for this deal. If he isn't signed it's probably a bit much.

09 Jan 2019 14:41:13
Different trade options for the Jets since the last one wasn't well received.

PHI: Simmonds
WPG: 1st Round Pick 2019, Petan

VAN: Edler
WPG: Petan

Ehlers - Schiefele - Wheeler
Connor - Little - Laine
Tanev - Lowry - Simmonds
Perrault - Copp - Roslovic

Morrissey - Trouba
Edler - Byfuglien
Kulikov - Myers

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09 Jan 2019 15:20:40
It would be good for the Jets to get Simmons but I hope they don't give up another 1st round pick, like they did last year with Stasny, for another rental. This is how teams fall apart if they don't have good young and affordable players coming up to replace older expensive ones. The Edler trade would be good for the Jets as he is a rental that would help the team in the playoffs, but I think the Canucks would want more.

09 Jan 2019 15:40:35
I agree, Simmonds would be nice to have, but not at the cost of our first. I would do the second trade, but agree that Vancouver would want more.

09 Jan 2019 16:01:12
Jets already have such good wingers. Is Simmonds really needed? Other than for insurance against injury, Simmonds probably wouldn’t be playing top two lines at all. So he would be a third string winger. Seems like a lot to be giving up for a guy who would be on the team for depth reasons only. Not saying Simmonds isn’t worth a 1st. He probably is. I just don’t know if it’s a good idea for Philly to be paying that much for him. Stastny provided center depth at a time when you guys needed it. Simmonds doesn’t really plug a hole or anything.

09 Jan 2019 19:53:45
How do you trade the same guy twice?

08 Jan 2019 22:38:17
-Damon Severson

-Darnell Nurse

Sign Stone...

Hall - Hischier - Stone
Bratt - Zacha - Palmieri
Coleman - Zajac - Noesen
Wood - Boyle - Anderson

Nurse - Vatanen
Greene - Santini
Mueller - Butcher


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09 Jan 2019 03:37:46
Why tf would oilers do that lol.

09 Jan 2019 03:46:13
Lol what? I'd rather Nurse for sure.

09 Jan 2019 14:27:08
The Oilers desperately have to make some moves but this trade would make them weaker.

09 Jan 2019 23:44:30
The oilers need defense not to send away one of their only compitent players at that position.

08 Jan 2019 22:34:49
Deadline Deal:

Los Angeles Trades: Jake Muzzin [LD - 2.0 Million (50% Salary Retention - Original Salary: 4.0 Million) x 2 Years] + Kyle Clifford [LW - 0.7 Million (50% Salary Retention - Original Salary: 1.4 Million) x 2 Years]

Toronto Trades: Carl Grundstrom [LW - 0.80 Million x 3 Years] + Garrett Sparks [G - 0.70 Million x 1 Year] + 2019 1st Round Draft Selection + 2020 2nd Round Draft Selection.

Imo, this is a lesser version of the McDonagh trade. Basically, the way I see it, Sparks = Clifford, Sparks goes instead of Woll/ Scott because the Kings could use a young, NHL ready goalie rather than a prospect, then the rest of the pieces are for Muzzin. Grundstrom is easily an NHL Forward next year, and with LA's depleted team, could slot into a chance he'd never get in Toronto. The 1st and 2nd are two picks that would be nice to have in the upcoming drafts for a team without much prospect depth. To be honest, I'd willingly part with another B-C tier prospect on top of the package, [Bracco, Borgman, Rosen, etc] or even a guy like Connor Brown, just not Liljegren or Sandin - for a guy like Muzzin who is a #3 guy with only a year left, it just isn't worth it on top of a 1st and Grundstrom.

Toronto Lineup:
Johnsson/ Matthews/ Nylander
Kapanen/ Tavares/ Marner
Marleau/ Kadri/ Hyman
Clifford/ Lindholm/ Brown [Ennis]

Rielly/ Muzzin
Gardiner/ Zaitsev
Dermott/ Hainsey [Ozhiganov]

[I know I said Muzzin is a #3, and he is. He's not a #2, he's just the most capable out of the remainder on Toronto's blueline to play #2].

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09 Jan 2019 03:38:52
I’d imagine LA wants better prospect.

09 Jan 2019 04:05:59
I don't have any real issue with the value here but why would LA want sparks? The two backups they already have have been better. Plus they still have quick as of now.

09 Jan 2019 11:45:07

True, maybe Woll or Scott instead of Sparks. I just saw that organizationally, the Kings don’t have much goaltending depth, so i wanted to add one in, in case they might trade a guy like Quick away, then its just Campbell whos young

& @McJ

Idk who I’d put in, cause for just Muzzin, doesn't Liljegren + 1st + 2nd seem like a high price? Cause Grundstrom, by my accounts, is the leafs third best prospect and imo the Leafs best forward prospect, unless people like Trevor Moore more, cause Grundstrom is almosy a lock to become an NHL Forward, and be that middle six grinder forward.

09 Jan 2019 15:37:48
They do have some goalie depth in the organization just not any highly touted goalies after quick. But sparks doesn't improve this. I think if they trade muzzin they would at least want to improve in another area.

09 Jan 2019 15:53:56
If they don’t want Borgman, then Bracco right Rosen is it. Like you said, and a-prospect like Sandin or Liljegren is too much for an old bottom pairing LHD. Muzzin would be good to help fill the gap left by Gardiner’s departure. He lends support until Sandin is ready. I don’t for one second believe Rosen will be as good as Muzzin in that spot.

10 Jan 2019 14:25:36
I honestly don’t see how this is comparable to the McDonagh trade even if lesser. Tampa gave up a first and a second (maybe 2 firsts), Namestnikov, Howden and Hajek and got no retention. They got better players, but the retention adds and the prospects here don’t compare to what Tampa gave up (and McDonagh was hurt when traded as well) . Muzzin is a legit 2nd pair D and I’ve heard him called LAs best Dman so far this year.

08 Jan 2019 17:56:17
Mtl- tatar-lekhonen-byron-lindgren

Edm- nurse or klefboom-talbot-lucic 1m retain

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08 Jan 2019 20:43:55
I'd love to add nurse or klefbom but not at the cost of those other two. plus habs are not the most offensively gifted team in the league but this trade probably makes them the worse.

09 Jan 2019 15:57:04
After Lucic’ performance in LA the other night, I can’t see him being traded for a bag of picks now. The only thing he could possibly still be good at, he refuses to do. He was brought in to protect the stars, and he won’t even do that anymore. He has negative value. Edmonton can’t afford enough prospects to pay another team to take him off their hands. A buyout is the best option there.

09 Jan 2019 19:22:53
I’m not 100% if I’m right here but a buyout would cost 4M for 8 more years if the Oil did it at the end of this season. 2/ 3rds of his salary for twice the remaining years left. Buyout is definitely not an option.

17 Jan 2019 13:53:57
never lucic to slow bad contract give them alzner would not make up for it he is worse the alzner.

08 Jan 2019 08:45:11
Carolina Hurricanes:

•) Dougie Hamilton

Ottawa Senators:

•) Colin White

•) Maxime Lajoie

•) 1st Round Pick 2019 or 2020.

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08 Jan 2019 12:10:45
How did OTT acquire the 2019 first round pick? Their 2020 first round pick will be high too. No way they even touch this, let alone for someone who already has a bit of a locker room rep.

08 Jan 2019 16:44:27
He dosnt have a rep he is just quite and nerdy like so he is hard to get along with.

09 Jan 2019 22:39:05
I've read that's a reason calgary traded him because he's selfish and hard to get along with.

13 Jan 2019 03:39:54
Even if the pick was a low one which likely won't be it still would be a no by a landslide Frome Ottawa, way too much for Hamilton plus they don't need an offensive dman to begin with and lajioe is arguably their best current shut down guy so it would defeat the purpose of a trade.

08 Jan 2019 05:04:27
Oil: Spoons

Blues: Maroon


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08 Jan 2019 12:52:15
No thanks. Spoons is your problem.

09 Jan 2019 03:39:24
Spoons is the answer.

09 Jan 2019 13:14:51
To full on tank mode. No thanks. In all honestly anything chiraelli trades for turns out badly. Keep your duds.

08 Jan 2019 02:23:30
Wpg: Trouba, 2nd round pick
St. Louis: Pietrangelo, 1st round pick

Wpg: Copp, 2nd round pick
Minnesota: Stall

Wpg: 1st round pick, Stanley
LA: Muzzin.

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08 Jan 2019 05:05:17
No from St. Louis are you kidding me.

08 Jan 2019 05:05:20
You look at Staal, here’s a guy that came back down to reality after his very impressive 40 goal campaign last season. And what’s “normal” for this guy? On pace for 25+ goals and 50+ points. Staal is playing outstanding hockey for a guy his age. For any age, really. A proven winner, he has so much more to bring to a team other than just his ability to power his way to the net. A lot of what Staal has to offer are intangibles that don’t always show up on stats sheets.

I’m not sure if Minnesota is looking to trade Staal. He’s well liked, and for some reason I can’t substantiate, I’ve always just figured re-signing him was a given. Then again, hockey is a cutthroat business. At $3.5M, Minny got a deal. They more than got their money’s worth from Staal. He could be looking for a big pay raise now. Staal could go highest bidder and walk on Minny. Or they could trade him for a return if they aren’t making playoffs this year.

08 Jan 2019 12:51:26
Are you serious. You want petro and a 1st. Lol gtfooh.

08 Jan 2019 16:19:04
All 3 trades make no sense for either teams.

08 Jan 2019 17:30:25
The St. Louis trade is good value minus the picks, but if the Jets do trade Trouba in the summer, it will likely be for a younger player (s) as the Jets won't be able to afford AP's new contract.

The other two deals have too much coming from Winnipeg. Maybe a later pick or B/ C prospect for Staal and a prospect package for Muzzin.

08 Jan 2019 19:22:10
Are you serious. In no universe is trouba equal to Petro. Why would the blues do this. Petro is top 10 in league top 5 in his position. Trouba is what top 30 maybe. This is a really bad.

08 Jan 2019 20:26:50
Actually when you consider age and contacts it would be pretty close, value wise. AP will be getting a huge contract in 2 years.

08 Jan 2019 20:45:05
Petro top 10 player in the league? When did this happen?

08 Jan 2019 22:28:00
Petro has been a top 10 defenseman in the league for last several years. If you are saying he isnot then by all means continue to spew crap.

08 Jan 2019 23:15:39
I hate to admit, but I side with redwing on this one. I’ll take petro over Trouba any day. He is a legit proven top defence. I think Trouba is a bit overrated. Not to mention if Trouba didn’t want to commit long term with Winnipeg who why would he commit to St. Louis at this point. He would still be a 2nd pairing d man with St. Louis behind paryko. Not to mention that first pick could be a high lottery pick. Not a chance they part with a chance at Hughes or kakko.

09 Jan 2019 00:38:51
I don't mind the top 10 dman part he's at least close to that the way he had the statement worded lead me to believe he was saying he was a top 10 player overall in the league.

09 Jan 2019 06:26:27
No habby that's exactly what he said.
Top 10 in the league.
Top 5 D.
Then changed his stance to be top 10 D.

09 Jan 2019 13:10:59
My fault, top 10 Dman top 5 rhd in league.

09 Jan 2019 13:15:06
Dude top 10 Dman in league top five in his position rhd.

But by all means try to spin my words.

09 Jan 2019 13:17:59
Pietrangelo was top 10 D in this league for the last 5 years but this year I can name 25 defensemen that have overall played superior then AP plus maybe another 5 that played on about the same level as AP. Obviously that dosnt take anything away from his past performances but the truth is he's 28 and he's not getting better. I don't see how he can be call a top 10 defensemen as of now, he's just not playing like one.

09 Jan 2019 13:36:33
Ow is me literally quoting you spinning anything. Try saying what you actually mean.

09 Jan 2019 16:36:00
There is a difference between bad year and decline. But you know that your just trying to get a rise or your just plain dumb.

09 Jan 2019 22:49:52
Not a chance ap is top 5 de or top 5 rhd or top 10 player, keeps changing but name the 4 guys that may be better? he's declined and people like him don't age well. Brent Seabrook was top echelon a few years ago and look at him, same type of player if you ask me.


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