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07 Jul 2018 04:12:48
Ottawa trades: Karlsson, smith

Tampa trades: Johnson, gourde, Foote, Raddyish, Dotchin, 1st 2019, 2nd 2019

Just taking a wild guess on what it would take for this trade. What do y'all think?

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07 Jul 2018 05:18:39
Take out Like Gourde and the 2nd.

07 Jul 2018 06:53:10
Thats waaaay too much

07 Jul 2018 08:58:12
Lol maybe want Kuch, Point, Serg and Vasy as well? Sure, take'em.

07 Jul 2018 14:03:34
This is the type of trade it’ll be in the way it’ll be lots of quantity.

07 Jul 2018 15:58:59
I think any team trading for Karlsson would also have to include a couple of 1st round picks on top of a package that includes a young very good roster player and at least 2 or 3 A prospects. As a team gets close to a deal other teams will try to up their offer so in the end he will bring back a very good haul for the Senators.

07 Jul 2018 15:38:04
TAMPA can’t can't trade 2019 1st or second the year are attached to the mcd trade If Tampa wins cup nyr gets 1st if Tampa doesn’t win the cup nyr gets 2nd.

07 Jul 2018 03:18:30
LA Kings:
• Jordan Subban
Nashville Predators:
• 2019 4th-Round Pick

Vegas Golden Knights:
• Malcom Subban
Nashville Predators:
• 2019 2nd-Round Pick

Maybe J Subban can find chemistry with his brother PK and they could bring the brothers together.

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07 Jul 2018 05:14:37
You know that Jordan Subban is a leaf, not an LA King, right?

07 Jul 2018 05:28:16
Doesn't toronto own jordan subbans rights?

07 Jul 2018 05:33:09
Ummmm sorry to break the news to you bud but LA didn’t qualify Jordan Subban and he signed with the leafs.

07 Jul 2018 06:54:22
I thought he was still a king i'm sorry would TO do that

07 Jul 2018 10:22:26
J subban signed with Toronto last week.

07 Jul 2018 15:38:51
I don’t think leafs signed him to flip him into a 4th. If he goes through camp, doesn’t make the team or doesn’t show he could help the team in an emergency, I’m sure they would be happy to get a pick and move on. But they signed him as an option for the most needed position. I’m sure they want to atleast see him through a camp first. Also he was a UFA who signed for league minimum a week ago. If there was ANY mutual interest between him and Nashville they would already have him.

07 Jul 2018 22:27:34
Lol. like 20 people telling him Jordan Subban is now on the leafs. I think he gets it. Simple mistake.

08 Jul 2018 05:37:55
Yeah 2707 you do realize all those post were probably made over the course of a couple hours and they were added probably at the same time.

08 Jul 2018 07:59:12
Yeah, when I wrote it no one else’s had showed up, probably the same for everyone else.

07 Jul 2018 02:01:22
Ottawa: Sergachev, Point, Raddysh, 2019st

Tampa bay: Karlsson (Resigns long term)

This is probably around the ball park of what I would expect Dorion to ask. Remember your getting a 2 time Norris trophy winner and hands down the best offensive D man in the league in his prime right now

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07 Jul 2018 03:12:06
Dont ya think that's a little much...
Thats a top 4 dman at the age of what? 19-20? An established young rh 66 point center at the age of 22 and a really good prospect plus a 1st? I wouldn't do it from Tampa.

07 Jul 2018 03:26:31
Lmao. He can ask all he wants. But Yzerman laughs in his face at this ask and then hangs up the phone. Wow.

07 Jul 2018 04:23:10
I like it, everyone needs to remember that if it’s a sign and trade Tampa would be getting EK for 9 years, his remaining year on this contract and the 8 year extension!

07 Jul 2018 05:21:20
I’m assuming Tampa would rather have him for like 4. Karlsson would want 8. By the end of his contract he’ll be overpaid albeit it will be worth it because of his prime years.

07 Jul 2018 09:01:45
Thats the most absurd rubbish I've ever seen. I doubt TB would include Point in any trade let alone paired with Sergachev, Raddysh and a 1st. This is downright ridiculous.
You seem to forget how few leverage OTT actually has. Seems like there's only a limited number of teams EK is willing to go to and an even fewer number of teams he'd sign an extension with, which diminished the price others would pay for him as a pure rental. Some sources even suggesting TB is the only team he'd sign an extension with.
If OTT does not trade him for the best offer they get, they'll lost him for nothing at the end of the season. This offer would be too much even if it wasnt for this f'd up situation in OTT and EK signed long-term in OTT. McDavid is the only player in the league I'd even think about sending this package from TB.

07 Jul 2018 14:10:43
@The_Triplets I agree with every thing you just said besides the McDavid part. I’d do that for Mathews, Crosby, Malkin, Eichel, Liane, Doughty ETC but certainly not a pending UFA.

08 Jul 2018 04:54:34
Im not saying tampa would do this trade, because they wouldn't. but ottawa could always trade him to one of the other 9 teams on his list without the extension, if tampa wants to sink too low with they're offer. like mike said earlier, tampa can't necessarily play around with their 1st and 2nd round picks (or take on salary baggage) like other teams can.

08 Jul 2018 08:51:23
@Facelift: You think the other teams knowing EK prolly won't resign will pay a better price than "a low TB offer" as you say, knowing full well he's going to be a rental? Doubt it. That's what I meant: OTT is in a poor position and it will be a disappointing return for them, regardless of whether he gets traded to TB or somewhere else.
And TB has every of their own picks besides MAYBE not their 1st next year, so idk what you're saying there.

08 Jul 2018 17:40:22
Im saying ottawa could bring back atleast a 1st if he's just a rental retard.

07 Jul 2018 00:20:33
Three way trade

Ottawa trades: Erik Karlsson, 3rd round pick

Tampa Bay trades: Mikhail Sergachev, Tyler Johnson, Ryan Callahan, 2nd round pick, Taylor Raddysh

NYR trades: 6th round pick




Ottawa gets: Mikhail Sergachev, Tyler Johnson, Taylor Raddysh

Tampa Bay gets: Erik Karlsson

NYR gets: Ryan Callahan, 2nd round pick (TB), 3rd round pick (OTT)

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07 Jul 2018 02:07:53
I think that's pretty fair/ realistic. Will have to wait and see.

07 Jul 2018 02:27:21
Point instead of radish makes more sense.

07 Jul 2018 03:37:09
This is very realistic in my opinion. I had to check to make sure you weren't posting a trade that actually happened.

07 Jul 2018 05:17:33
Not getting Sergachev AND Point Rambo lol.

07 Jul 2018 09:02:29
IF Yzerman includes Sergachev in a deal, don't make the mistake to think that he'd add a lot if anything.

07 Jul 2018 10:32:03
Triplets I think this is pretty close to what that trade was going to be. I had heard something like Sergachev, prospect (likely Raddysh), 2020 1st, 2020 2nd, Callahan and maybe Killorn all leaving Tampa in this deal.

08 Jul 2018 00:10:52
Karlsson is the one of or "The Best" defencemen in the world Do you really think any player is better than in on tampa? No, the only close player is Stamkos or kuch. Karlsson can easily take sergachev (top 2) max potential. Yea that's a good player but only 1/ 3 as good as Karlsson, Radish yes easily get him aswell, ( point maybe instead of him if Ottawa was trying to shift leverage, you guys keep saying Ottawa has none but you do know that Tampa Bay's Main Expiring Core Stamer and the others are not going to bethere forever and Toronto adding the addition of JT Well that just makes Yzermen want to make his team better by adding the best defencemen in the world to him team sure he will give up a couple of good prospects but Tampa has the best prospects in the NHL so they can afford to loose some for EK, Especially If They WANT TO KNOCK OFF THE LEAFS, Because there is No Chance Of Doing So WithOut EK65.

06 Jul 2018 14:41:28
It's very simple the leafs need a RH defenceman! St Louis needs a RW this could be a match made in heaven
TML - Nylander, 2nd 2019
STL - Parayako
I guarantee if the leafs make this trade they win the cup

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06 Jul 2018 16:05:37
No from Saint Louis imo unless if they’re actually willing to trade Paryanko and in that case good deal but I’ve read the rumours and I believe teams asked about Paryanko at the draft but they were shut down.

06 Jul 2018 16:27:00
I don’t think it’s bad. I would hate trading Nylander because I believe he could be great. But parayko is what leafs need and you don’t get good players trading junk. I’d do it.

06 Jul 2018 19:09:59
Why would st. Louis do that. They have Thomas, kyrou tarasenko on the right wing. They will be fine. No need to hurt our defense for that. Sorry.

06 Jul 2018 19:34:33
Not enough for Parayko.

06 Jul 2018 19:48:13
Leafs17 it’s enough for him value wise but as redwing said It does not help the blues they're already stacked at the RW.

06 Jul 2018 20:43:09
I don’t know vbb’s. The guy is a stud. Let alone a RH beast of a defenseman. I love Nylander but I’d do it in a heart beat.

06 Jul 2018 21:27:57
Actually it's not enough. A winger does not have the same value as a rhd with 35 40 pts. Besides we have tarasenko perron kyrou Thomas on right nylander is not needed.

06 Jul 2018 22:51:19
Redwing - "No need to hurt our defense for that, sorry"

With a name like redwing and saying "our" in a blues trade like that, you aren't fooling anyone original Colt.

07 Jul 2018 02:35:49
No you’re not fooling anyone Colt. Being online, I really don’t understand why people try and hide and make new accounts. If people would stop being so extremely bias and hate on every other team, maybe you could gain respect from people and not have to go into hiding.

07 Jul 2018 03:13:38
He hasn't really played center at all so i'm going to say Nylander is a wingers. Wingers and defencemen don't HAVE THE SAME VALUE. Especially when the defencemen is as good as Parayko at that age. No from STL

07 Jul 2018 05:21:25
@Franchise Billy: no one on this thread said that Nylander was a centre, everyone acknowledged him as a RW. Also it was said that D are worth more than wingers. Don’t know what the ALL CAPS reminding us of that is for lol.

07 Jul 2018 05:30:34
Nylander has the potential to be a star. Paryanko is a stud but I look at this trade as a young Phil Kessel who got Seguin and Hamilton for A sad mans prime Shea Weber.

Nylander can be a PPG player. Was on pace to out produce Sanko mid way through the season but no I agree blues don’t make this trade but leafs do.

07 Jul 2018 06:56:58
Ubiased jim i didn't even read what he said i just saw the trade and spat milk outta my tiddies

07 Jul 2018 22:57:01
Do I rant like that guy did seriously.

06 Jul 2018 10:52:27
Erik Karlsson + Jean Pageau for Kailer Yamamoto + Ryan Nugent-Hopkins + Oscar Klefbom

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06 Jul 2018 17:25:55
LOL the fact you even added Pageau.

06 Jul 2018 04:12:59
If Tampa is trying to acquire Karlsson and keep Core:

TBL:5th round pick
NYR:Ryan Callahan (5.8Mx2)+2nd round pick

TBL:4th round pick
CBJ:Dan Girardi (3Mx1)+6th round pick

TBL:6th round pick
MIN:Brayden Coburn (3.7Mx1)+7th round pick

TBL:2nd round pick+3rd round pick
CAR:Tyler Johnson (5Mx6)

They free up 17.5M assuming they all waive their NTC

Sign and Trade

TBL:Karlsson (11Mx7)
OTT:Foote, Raddysh, Katchouk,2020 1st round pick,2021 2nd round pick

Is this enough for a signed Karlsson?

Next Years Lineup:

Miller-Stamkos-Kucherov
Palat-Point-Gourde
Killorn-Cirelli-Joseph
Conacher-Paquette-Andreoff

Hedman-Karlsson
McDonagh-Stralman
Sergachev-Dotchin

Vasilevskiy
Domingue.

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06 Jul 2018 05:16:21
Why would Tampa do a sign and trade and not get 8 years.

06 Jul 2018 05:59:55
Im with Kobalis seems a little too much for giving up their future.. ottawa would need to take back a roster player with a reasonable salary

06 Jul 2018 10:51:06
I agreed on the 8 years and added my own input lol sounded dumb for a sec

06 Jul 2018 13:52:03
Kucherov couldn’t resign ( assuming he won’t take less then Karlsson ) after resigning McDonagh it kinda took away to add a star long term. My guess is he’ll just be a rental.

06 Jul 2018 14:26:04
Not even close for Karlsson. point sergachev and a 1st is a good starting point.

06 Jul 2018 15:19:24
Talks last night was kucherov could be traded elsewhere to make room for Karlsson and also recoup assets used to acquire Karlsson. As a leaf fan, I would be happy to see Tampa get Karlsson if it means lose kucherov. Karlsson is amazing, but with Hedman, McD, stralman and Sergachev, their blueline is already great. If they lose Kuch upfront, I’m much happier facing them. Without Kuch, If stamkos ever gets hurt or sick again, they’re so thin up front. Looking like 2 powerhouses in the Atlantic for years, I’d rather our crazy good forwards and weaker D face a great D core and weak forwards than a team with multiple game breakers up front and on the back end.

06 Jul 2018 15:26:32
Ottawa better insist that Sergachev be in the deal.

06 Jul 2018 15:32:08
On a lot of teams Karlsson can immediately make them twice as good. I don’t think that’s the case with Tampa. If he wants to be there, they should definitely try to make it work, but by the time they lose other good players, and pay assets to dump contracts, I honestly don’t know how much better they are overall. But interesting for sure. Especially if this happens, Karlssons wife will need to re-do a restraining order for the state of Florida because after sending Hoffman 1500miles away, they will be a cpl hours apart again and playing head to head opening night lol.

06 Jul 2018 16:09:40
@Unbiased Jim the idea seems ridiculous Stamkos + Kuch is a ridiculous line I’d rather keep kuch and run with the lineup they have. There team would look very similar to Nashville with Karlsson in- Kuch out.

06 Jul 2018 17:41:01
If they lose kuch just to get karlson they are idiots. I'd sooner trade stamkos then kucherov.

06 Jul 2018 18:04:54
@Habby, agreed. Stacking D is great if you can do it. But look at teams with what’s looked at as the deepest D cores in the league for the last 3-4 years (Calgary, Carolina, Anaheim, Nashville) and what they have accomplished. Only Nashville has had any success to speak of. As where teams with decent-good D cores but multiple game breakers up front (penguins, capitals, bruins, Tampa) have had far more success going deeper or even winning cups.

06 Jul 2018 19:45:15
A team only really need 2-3 really solid defensemen with 3 being okay. They’ll handle all the minutes, it’s at forward is where you need the fire power to keep pressuring and getting those scoring opportunities to win a cup imo need the depth up front for sure.

06 Jul 2018 20:08:24
Yeah if they were lacking on d I could almost see it but they should be ok I would think.

06 Jul 2018 20:10:23
100 point scorers don't exactly grow on trees these days lol.

06 Jul 2018 23:38:05
Only thing that makes sense to me is that Tampa has been the favourite in the division for a while. When leafs added Tavares and all the talk was that teams would have to put their top D on either Matthews or Tavares leaving the other one with an easy night.

Maybe this is yzermans way of responding. Then they can have Karlsson and hedman play together and dominate against the majority of teams and then separate them to match up against Tavares/ Matthews, Baxkstrom/ Kuznetsov and Crosby/ Malkin etc.

05 Jul 2018 18:55:59
Chicago: Keith
Sikura
Saad
Rutta

Ottawa: Karlsson

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05 Jul 2018 21:48:07
oh god.

06 Jul 2018 10:51:23
Bruh...

05 Jul 2018 18:48:20
Ottawa: Faulk, Skinner, 1st round pick 2019
Carolina: Karlsson

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06 Jul 2018 11:05:23
Skinner was in 3 deals at the deadline and blocked them with his NTC. You think he waived for Ottawa?! No way lol they need to just get picks and prospects that can’t be picky about destination and will just be happy to get an opportunity.

08 Jul 2018 05:16:01
Thats too bad, i like skinner. would be a great upgrade over hoffman.

05 Jul 2018 18:19:55
TB: Sergachev, Koekkoek, Raddysh, Callahan (cap dump)
OTT: Karlsson

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05 Jul 2018 19:05:57
I’d take that if I were Ottawa.

05 Jul 2018 22:28:07
I agree Pitt66.

06 Jul 2018 11:06:03
I wouldn’t.

06 Jul 2018 13:56:19
That’s because you don’t Understand McJesus Ottawa has no leverage to make a deal they need to make a trade and that diminishes his value. They have 2 options let him walk as a FA or trade him for Pennies on the dollar like Hoffman.

06 Jul 2018 14:29:20
They do not need to make a trade vbbvbb. I
He still has a year left on his current contract. his value does not diminish what so ever.
Don't kid yourself!

06 Jul 2018 16:13:20
You’re right Rambo they don’t need to make a trade they can just let him walk as a UFA like Tavares.

06 Jul 2018 18:10:15
Rambo, they don’t HAVE to trade him, you’re right. But saying he doesn’t lose value is a joke. The tavares thing is definitely going to wise up some GMs. If they have star players entering final years that haven’t committed to staying, they are going to have to start shopping them now. No one will let themselves be the next islanders. And that’s how you have to deal with players like seguin who have made zero indication he would even want to leave his current team. Karlsson has said he’s leaving lol.

06 Jul 2018 19:36:21
Dude. his value only decreases come the day after trade deadline as most playoff contenders would be willing to pay a hefty premium for a player like him and so would struggling teams who just need the 1 piece to get them into playoffs. by January February hell be at peak value as teams will be bidding if he's still on the market.

06 Jul 2018 20:12:45
Peak value at half a season then a UFA. No his peak value was 2 seasons ago when he brought the Sens to the Eastern conference finals.

08 Jul 2018 05:19:56
I agree with mcJ, imo callahan's contract wouldn't be coming to ottawa if karl gets dealt. laughable to even think it really.

 


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