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15 Oct 2018 11:05:31
Well it’s clear that Auston matthews start wasnt a fluke and that he will maintain this pace for the entire season now.

That being said, he’s set to match his career high in goals (40) on November 24th vs Philly so:

Does anyone have tickets to that game they want to get rid of?!

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15 Oct 2018 14:25:47
over hype or just plain old hype?

15 Oct 2018 18:14:32
A bit of overhype I would think, it will be at least until January before Matthews hits 40.

16 Oct 2018 03:52:56
Mid Feb.

16 Oct 2018 12:04:15
By your logic Mattews is scoring 60+ goals this year? No way head good buy I think he will have a couple 50 goals season but not 60+ goal season and definitely not at 20. You can't say a guy will keep the pace he has after 6 games on a 82 games basis. By that logic Tomas Tatar is on is way for a 50 goal season lol.

16 Oct 2018 13:41:54
I can realistically see 60 from Mathews. No doubt he's a good player. if he can stay healthy he has a good shot at the Rocket trophy, still to early to crown him on that yet though, stil a couple other players will have lots to say .
He is helping his cause to get well over 10 million a season. lol.

16 Oct 2018 15:39:59
@boomboom, it was clearly a joke as he isn’t on pace for 60 goals, he was on pace for 137 goals when I posted it haha.

@Sosa, I don’t think 60 is out of the question either. I’m almost at the point where I would be a little surprised if he doesn’t hit 50, and not overly shocked if he gets high 50s or 60. He had 40 as a rookie, 34 last year (pace for 44 over 82) and anyone who has watched him this year can see he looks faster and stronger. Also competing with JT and a contract year, he’s as motivated as anyone.

16 Oct 2018 15:51:59
And as for his contract, he’s definitely getting atleast 11 million, probably close to 12 and with the cap going up over the last 2 years he could probably make a case for mcdavid money, but hope not for our sake lol.

16 Oct 2018 16:04:03
It's going to be two years later, and cap up a little, I don't see Mathews wanting anything less tjan McDavids $12.5M per year contract. Marner will want $8.5-$9.5M as well.
I would %100 try to sign and trade Nylander for a D man right now if I was Dubas.

14 Oct 2018 15:14:35
Vegas is off to a pretty slow start. Even if they win the next two games, that only makes them a .500 team with 10% of the season played.

Was last year an artificial showing caused by steroids and hype and they are finally coming back to reality?

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14 Oct 2018 16:32:06
Just stop. The amount of substance found in Schmidts blood was negligable at best and no he wasnt cleansing for months for a random drug test. Even if he was actively doing steroids one guy on roids doesn't makw you one of the best teams in the league. They over achieved last year everyone knew that and don't act like .500 after 8 games means anything at the end of the season.

14 Oct 2018 17:49:53
Yeah, I think anyone who watches enough NHL hockey would say they overachieved last year and a slow start means nothing. I would guess they are, in reality, a team that will battle for a playoff spot, probably a wildcard.

14 Oct 2018 18:32:40
I predict they don't make the playoffs. But who knows with this bunch lol.

13 Oct 2018 21:55:04
I never believe anything I read from hockey buzz but Nylander for Nurse is interesting. The leafs could use a big, physical dman and Nylander with McDavid would be more dangerous than any of their current options.

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13 Oct 2018 23:02:15
Yeah it's a good base for a deal.

13 Oct 2018 23:15:08
I would think that would be a decent return to pursue for Nylander, if the Leafs decide to move him. However, I don't think the Oilers could afford Nylander since they are so cap crunched. Plus the Oilers probably can't let go of Nurse with Sekera hurt.

14 Oct 2018 14:51:46
Some rumour twitter account posted one of Nylander to Nashville for Subban too. And Preds would be retaining 22%. (Not sure where that number comes from) but probably just bs too. That would make PK a 29 year old $7mill Dman, and would be a great deal for leafs. However if Nashville Does that, I know they need offense more than D, but that makes Nylander like a $10 mill winger ( $8mill contract + $2 mill retain to get him) . That’s where his rumor falls apart for me lol.

13 Oct 2018 21:42:46
With Cici out of the lineup due to injury today, Phanuefs $1.75M retained salary makes him the highest paid Sens D man.
But they are even beating the Kings 4-1 as I see this.
nhl. discussion Instagram.

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13 Oct 2018 22:16:52
I can actually see Chiarelli getting fired this season now.

But, we won! 😂 Yay.

Benning had a great game today. In the press box 😂😂

Oilers 5 goals in three games to start the season. McDavid with 5 points. Solid all around team play. Go team McDavid! WOOOOO.

13 Oct 2018 23:03:17
Yeah Sens are having a good start who would have thought? Maybe the avs won't get jack hughes.

14 Oct 2018 00:32:42
Lol. My comment here was clearly meant for my other post below.

Cool stat on the Sens $ and D tho.

14 Oct 2018 14:13:00
Teams with nothing to lose are usually the team that suprises everyone.

14 Oct 2018 14:54:39
Well they actually have everything to lose lol they have Jack Hughes to lose which will be the second best prize handed out in June. So if the Sens don’t play better than expected Colorado will have a better June than 29 other teams, whether they make the playoffs or not lol.

13 Oct 2018 18:06:58
Oh god. This is going to be painful.
Oilers started out losing vs Devils, Bruins.
At NYR today. Then home for Jets, Bruins, Preds, Pens, Caps, then @ Preds, Hawks,
Lmao. I think we might be mathematically eliminated from the playoffs by the end of the month. 😂😂😂. FUK.

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13 Oct 2018 23:04:28
Long season yet yup. But they will have to be better to make the playoffs for sure.

14 Oct 2018 04:24:49
@yupp, That’s a tough stretch coming up. But leafs snuck by habs in a game they didn’t deserve to win and lost to Ottawa to start. Then beat Hawks, Stars, wings and Capitals lol so who knows. Maybe oilers step up for the tougher matchups too.

14 Oct 2018 04:46:19
Meanwhile the Leafs start out Vs 5 straight non playoff teams from last season. Caps. Then home for 8 of the next 10. Dream schedule start. Who are they paying off?! lol jk. 🙄🙄.

12 Oct 2018 15:59:41
I think it was pretty obvious when Tyler Ennis was in Nylanders spot beside Matthews to start the year that it was temporary. The second Nylander signed he was getting that spot back as Ennis was clearly a placeholder. But now that Kapanen has grabbed that spot, I’m not so sure. He’s the same age as Nylander, first round pick, lots of skill (not as much as Willy) and works really hard (noticeably more than Nylander) . At this point if Nylander signs tomorrow I would not mess with those top 2 lines and have him start with Kadri on the 3rd line. Gives Naz someone to play with too. Also Gauthier has looked great as 4th centre since Lindholm went to wing with Kadri, so keep him there.

Marleau - Matthews - Kapanen
Hyman - Tavares - Marner
Brown - Kadri - Nylander
Lindholm - Gauthier - Leivo.

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12 Oct 2018 18:05:39
Those lines are nuts. I think you’re right about not changing things up. Nylander doesn’t get to hold out and then walk right on a top line. Make him earn it and yes it would help Kadri out for sure. They would have 3 legit scoring lines. I’m still up for trading Nylander for defensive help though.

12 Oct 2018 19:39:34
I think the Leafs should go with pairs and find the chemistry fit with those pairs.

Mathews - Nylander
Tavares - Marner
Kadri - Marleau

And I would first try
Hyman with Mathews and Nylander
Kapanen with Tavares and Marner
Brown (? ) with Kadri and Marleau.
Who ever else battle for 4th line and impress for a chance if any those three play bad and get switched out.

But. I'm also not exactly sure what way everyone shoots. So not sure those guess fits.

12 Oct 2018 19:55:23
Plus that gives 2 faceoff men on each line Matthews/ Marleau, Tavares/ Hyman, Kadri/ Nylander, Gauthier/ Lindholm (A Left and a right on each except 2 lefts on the top one) The way linesman like to toss guys now, that’s an understated advantage too. Either end of the ice, just that better chance of starting with the puck is huge. All the skill in the world is useless if you don’t have the puck on those guys sticks.

12 Oct 2018 21:53:45
@yupp that’s how they did it last year. Matthews/ Nylander, Kadri/ Marleau, Bozak/ JVR. I think when Marleau signed here, the prospect of playing with Matthews was part of it. Last year trying to balance the lines out, he rarely shared the ice with him. Then in the meetings with Tavares, a chance to start with Marner was actually requested. So they did it for him. Once that was done, it kinda felt like then they realized that Marleau should start with Matthews too. I don’t care what was said during those meetings, a linemate is not guaranteed if it doesn’t work on the ice, but Matthews has 9 goals in 5 games. 5 with Marleau at even strength and 4 on the PP. I don’t see a reason to break them up yet.

12 Oct 2018 22:24:51
If Kappanen scores at the same rate as nylander then what happens next season? Do you get rid of nylander or Kapenen? Because at the very least one will have to go.

13 Oct 2018 04:19:08
Depends on Kapanens negotiating process and what he’s willing to play for. Will he be a guy that is satisfied as a well paid sidekick to a superstar? Or will he hold a team hostage for giving him a great opportunity? In the coming years it won’t be as simple as who’s better unfortunately, it will be who’s better for their price.

13 Oct 2018 04:34:45
If all goes well, I’d like to see:

Marleau - Matthews - Kapanen
Hyman - Tavares - Marner
Johnsson - Kadri - Nylander
Leivo - Lindholm - Brown

This is solely dependant on AJ earning his ice again. I liked Lindholm against Detroit, but I feel like Gauthier just doesn’t fit an NHL team in general, more of a depth replacement. Leivo has some good size, I think taking out Gathier for Johnsson and allowing Leivo the fourth line allows some meanness on the fourth.

14 Oct 2018 04:31:40
I thought gauthier was pretty solid in the 4th centre slot. He’s worked a ton on his skating and it shows. Never going to be the fastest or most agile guy but he has size and strength we are lacking on the roster and is a real good character. He goes 100% and is a model of perseverance. I’m a goat fan. Hope he can stick.

11 Oct 2018 22:24:55
While on the Nylander topic, leafs cap is currently about 12.2 million, why doesn’t Toronto offer Nylander a 1 year 11.75 million dollar deal which would be almost 4 million more than what he’s asking for but in return he gets more this one year and can go out and prove he’s worth what he’s asking and next year he’s still an rfa and can get close to marners and Matthews contract so he doesn’t feel cheated or low balled.

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11 Oct 2018 22:40:13
I was wondering when this would start. It's like for 6 months last year when the talk was the leafs signing tavares for a 1 year 15 mil deal. Players who have a choice or at least feel like they have a choice to sign for longer do not sign one year deals. What's happens if nylander did sign that and gets a serious concussion and plays like crap the rest of the year? What does he get next year? 5 million x 3 years?

11 Oct 2018 23:23:07
Because as an RFA next year we will have to extend him a qualifying offer. The qualifying offer has to be I believe 10% over his last seasons salary. That means next year his qualifying offer would be almost $13 million lol believe me, if there’s a way to scam the system and work out a trick with the cap, Dubas and Pridham would have already figured it out too.

It’s like when Calgary offer sheeted Ryan O’Reilly from Colorado. It was 2 yrs/ 10mill, but they didn’t just do it 2 years at $5 mill each. They made it $3.5mill the first year and $6.5mill the second year. This made it so that if Colorado matched the offer, which they did, the qualifying offer they would need after that deal was up would be $7.150 mill ($6.5+10%) instead of $5.5mill ($5mill+10%) . And that’s basically why it was known ROR was going to be traded after that contract.

12 Oct 2018 00:52:35
So there ya go I told you why the player wouldn't do it and jim told you why the team wouldn't do it. Next suggestion please.

12 Oct 2018 02:38:01
Ok makes total sense didn’t know that the qualifying offer was a mandatory one though they could just re negotiate from scratch.

12 Oct 2018 03:32:02
Like Strome in Edm this summer. As an RFA who made $3M last season they had to qualify him at at least that same $3M. He got $3.1M in an extension.
To qualify an RFA it has to be for a minimum of at least what he made the year prior. That's true.

12 Oct 2018 14:38:24
Yeah, you can work or whatever contract you want afterwards, you just have to have enough money set aside to atleast cover his qualifying offer in case he takes it. So we wouldn’t be able to touch $13 mill of our cap while trying to sign marner and Matthews lol and if you don’t have the money sitting there to qualify I’m, he gets to declare himself a UFA at 23, which would be one of the worst examples of asset management in league history.

13 Oct 2018 20:08:35
Qualifying offer isn't mandatory but if you don't offer one and don't agree to a deal he becomes a UFA and you don't get compensation. Could also affect his base when he's arbitration eligible.

14 Oct 2018 04:35:02
If you don’t qualify him, he walks for free lol so yeah, you would have to qualify him.

11 Oct 2018 14:55:55
I’ve heard, and read, a lot of fans being really upset with Nylander. As much as I’m not happy he’s not signed, I understand the difficult spot he’s in.

If the reports are right, leafs are offering between $6.25 and $6.75 mill. I think that’s fair money. That’s not asking him to take a big discount, also not overpaying him. He apparently wants $8mill+ which is really high.

Here’s where I feel for him. A lot has been made about him being the first of the big 3 to sign and the others are going to get a lot more money then he could feel like a fool. But that’s not what I was thinking. What I was looking at is the CBA rules are that a player can’t get a NoTradeClause until he’s eligible for group 3 UFA (7 years of service or 27 years old)

So if Nylander is convinced to sign at $6.5mill to be part of a special team and the cap gets really tight like it will, he’s exposong himself. Tavares completely controls his own destiny, Matthews and Marner aren’t going anywhere so he would be the obvious one to trade for cap reasons.

So asking for $8-8.5mill, to me anyway, is his way of putting his own No Trade Clause that he's not entitled to in the CBA. At $6.5 mill, unless his production falls off a cliff they could trade him somewhere. At $8.5 unless his production skyrockets off the charts, no way.

I could be way off here but if that’s what he’s thinking, as much as he’s not doing himself any favours sitting out, I could respect where he’s coming from. Because when people say “if he wants $8mill he can go get it in Arizona”, well if he signs for $6.5mill here, he could still be in Arizona next season. Leafs are asking him to make a 7-8 year commitment to them when in reality their commitment to him would be reassessed day by day. I can feel for the guy, not to make him seem hard done by playing anywhere in the league for $6.5 mill tho lol.

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11 Oct 2018 16:46:36
Yeah I heard this 3 different times yesterday I think nick kypreos was the first one to bring it up yesterday. It could definitely be the case. I also don't think shanahan coming out and saying the players were going to have to take less money on their new deals helped much either. Also maybe nylander feels he's ready to go somewhere now and be the go to guy instead of being 4th on the forward depth chart in toronto. Maybe he's trying to force them into a trade now. Or maybe he signs tomorrow lol.

11 Oct 2018 16:54:00
It’s a bit far fetched. If Nylander wanted to do something like that, he could take a front loaded contract. That would prevent Leafs from trading him the first 3-4 years let’s say, while still leaving AAV in the range we want. Then if his production falls, we can trade him to a cap floor team the second half of the contract.

11 Oct 2018 18:08:51
Yeah. That’s possible. Pierre Lebrun yesterday said he was talking to a west teams GM who apparently had interest in Nylander and called Dubas. He said Dubas responded quickly saying “I’m not trading him”. So that’s his plan as of Tuesday, but with a December 1st dealine, things will change quickly.

11 Oct 2018 19:17:54
Ok I'm starting to get fed up with this Nylander garbage, I have two words:
BRIDGE DEAL

If the leafs were to just try and sign Nylander to a bridge deal they could say hey, we'll give you 5.5-6 mill for 2 years and when Marleau's contract is up we can give you an extra 2 mill, deal?

This would also give time for Nylander to prove to management that he is worth paying $7.5-8 million for.

You could say "Oh well it's not that simple", but at least it can't be worse then the current situation right?

The way I see it is Nylander won't back down from his $8 mill ask even if the leafs do continue their hot streak of offence, so the leafs are either going to have to trade him, or get him on a bridge deal.

If they want to give him $6 mill long term then why not just give it to him for a couple of years, it's the same amount of money against the cap but it's just for a shorter period of time. In my eyes it is something Nylander would be fine with taking especially if he wants a longer amount of time to prove himself and wants to be making more money.

BRIDGE DEAL-Please just do it.

11 Oct 2018 20:05:10
It sounds good but he’s not willing to take less years either. The 2 and 3 year deals were apparently discussed and he wants long term security. Team and player both prefer long term it said, but team may work around it. Nylander wouldn’t budge off 7 years and $8+ mill.

12 Oct 2018 18:10:53
I read that he doesn’t want to take too much of a hometown discount because he thinks he could still be the odd man out down the road. It’s hard to blame any of these young kids for looking after their own future as well. But the way the leafs offence is looking, he may have made the wrong choice. Especially if he gets traded to a bottom feeder.

12 Oct 2018 20:13:23
Yeah. I don’t blame him personally. If he thinks he’s looking after himself, then that’s what he should do. He just has to be willing to live with the consequences of his stance and hopefully not regret it. Now, if it’s his dad who is kinda trying to live through William and get back at ‘greedy owners’ for his own shortcomings during his career, that’s different. It kinda sounds from a few of the reports that could be the case. I don’t mind hearing his dads involved and giving him advice and perspective but if he’s the one waging the war and his son is going to suffer the consequences, that’s wrong.

13 Oct 2018 16:28:42
You’re right. Little Willie needs to tell daddy to back off and make his own decision.

11 Oct 2018 02:51:42
Who would you rather have

Provorov-Gostisbehere
S. Jones-Werenski
Dahlin-Risto
Lindberg-Miro. H.

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11 Oct 2018 04:55:44
Prov
Jones
Dahlin
Heiskanen.

11 Oct 2018 04:59:46
Jones and werenski.

11 Oct 2018 05:18:09
I assume you meant which pair.

11 Oct 2018 06:10:27
Heiskenan-Lindberg.

11 Oct 2018 12:53:12
My bad, I get it now. I’d say jones/ Werenski as of today. Dahlin is supposed to be the best of all of them so with a bit more sample, could be him and risto.

11 Oct 2018 14:51:32
I would go Jones and Werenski. Jones is easily the best and most proven defenseman in this group. Not that the other guys won't get a lot better, but it would be just too hard to turn down that top tier defenseman.

12 Oct 2018 02:57:49
Jones/ Werenski or Dahlin/ Risto.

13 Oct 2018 05:39:43
Would be nice if we all were saying Rielly-Liljegren.

15 Oct 2018 11:17:59
Prov and ghost.

11 Oct 2018 01:08:18
Pretty interesting new story about Dougie Hamilton. I guess he was always knows as a loner in Boston, Traded out of Boston and Calgary who knows really why.

But news out that Hamilton doesn't "fit in" because he likes to go to museums instead of bars. Jacob Slavin stood up for Hamilton today saying "I can run with Dougie, I'll go with him to the Smithsonian. Then you get guys going to the museum instead of the bars as a team and who knows what could happen, start a new trend"

I've never really liked Hamilton well before I even knew he was a "loner" or museum gut, But I do like his style of hockey. Good D man.

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11 Oct 2018 01:25:26
Yeah, on the ice he would be a great add to almost any team. I just have a hard time believing with his age/ position/ talent that he’s been kinda run out of 2 towns in 3 years becaue he likes museums more than bars. Maybe Slavin and the hurricanes haven’t seen the other side yet. its only been a week ( a month including camp) and they have been winning. Someone’s true Character usually reveals itself more during adversity. I could be wrong, but will be interesting to see. Now if he chooses museums over bars and then preaches or talks down to teammates for going the other way, that could rub people the wrong way for sure.

11 Oct 2018 15:06:54
Yeah, I've always wondered about Hamilton a well. It has to be a pretty significant issue that irks a lot of people in an organization for two teams to give up such a talented player.

12 Oct 2018 18:15:05
I read an article about that right after the Hamilton trade. I agree that there has to be more to it than that. That would look pretty bad on an organization to not like someone because they’re into other things.

 


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