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05 Dec 2018 06:36:56
Saying this may make me sound like a jerk, but I got so much satisfaction out of seeing Tom Wilson getting blindsided. Its nice to see him on the receiving end of one of those for once.

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05 Dec 2018 12:59:34
It doesn’t make you sound like a jerk at all. Wilson had that coming. Unfortunately for me, I just picked him up in my fantasy pool.

05 Dec 2018 16:12:21
Didn’t look to me like Wilson had his helmet secured properly. Reaves didn’t even hit him in the head. Wilson had this one coming for a long time. He got what he deserved. It’s called karma.

05 Dec 2018 16:18:57
Wilson is a player that plays that type of game so I wouldn't be surprised if he encounters plays like this from other teams. As Reeves basically said get him before he gets one of your teammates. Wilson may get the message to clean up his act if this happens to him 4 or 5 more times.

05 Dec 2018 17:06:14
Wilson should have been suspended from his hit last game so if that had happened he wouldn't have been there to take this hit. the reeves hit should have been at least a game suspension but because of who he hit its fine not to give him one.

05 Dec 2018 18:07:35
I think its hilarious. I have been on HF boards enjoying the tears of washington fans. Calling Reaves a goon LOL.

06 Dec 2018 15:42:24
It was a dirty hit because the puck was no where near him. But if he had it, i would call it clean. I can't say the same for what Wilson deals out. Weather you have the puck or not, he consistently has dirty hits.

06 Dec 2018 22:19:36
I wouldn’t say it was a dirty hit, wasn’t from behind wasn’t technically blind side, Reeves hit him shoulder to shoulder. It could be argued that it was fractions of a second late but Wilson had the puck and dropped passed it back to a teammate. Wilson of all people should know that after the crap he’s pulled on other players he doesn’t have the luxury of admiring a pass, he should have his head on a swivel at all times.

07 Dec 2018 02:05:31
I can't believe I'm about to this cause it was nice to see but Wilson was in a vulnerable position that's why I think that hit would normally deserve a game or two. If reeves hits crosby there you would have seen a suspension for sure.

05 Dec 2018 01:56:20
Price made at least five real good saves from point blank range in the first half of the game tonight and then he let's in a knuckle puck from the blue line again which he could see the whole way. I'm convinced if an opposing teams game plan was to not attempt a shot from anywhere other then the point they would average at least 5 goals a game

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05 Dec 2018 13:00:19
I’m not so sure he could see that one habby.

05 Dec 2018 14:52:24
Sometimes the easiest shots are the hardest to save because they are unexpected. This is coming from a goalie. Not sure what goal you’re talking about but no matter how good you are you can’t stop them all. If a player makes a mistake he gets up and goes to the bench. If a goalie makes a mistake the puck goes into the back of the net.

05 Dec 2018 17:09:53
Look if this was a rare case where he let in a softy from the point I wouldn't say anything. But I think price is among the leagues best at stopping pucks in tight or from the slot right now. But long range shots are killing him he has to pretty much let in at least one bad one per game. its the main reason his stats are not even average at this point. I'm forced to wonder what the problem is.

04 Dec 2018 19:43:56
Who was the first American based team to win the stanley cup? Guess without using google please

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04 Dec 2018 20:16:26
New York Rangers?

04 Dec 2018 21:19:39
I would say rangers or bruins. I know a lot of weird teams won it prior to NHL era like when teams in Ottawa won a few. No idea if any US teams were in those ones though.

04 Dec 2018 23:46:48
Hint number 1 the city name starts with an S.

05 Dec 2018 00:59:02
i heard it on the radio today in the truck, it was seattle way back around 1910-1920ish, i don't remember the year. something about the pacific coast hockey league? i dunno. grasping with a terrible short term memory.

05 Dec 2018 00:30:59

05 Dec 2018 00:31:17
Seattle metro.

05 Dec 2018 01:41:27
Yes it was Seattle in 1916-17 they beat montreal 3or 4 to 1 I think it was decided with a single game.

05 Dec 2018 01:42:17
The rangers were the first American team under Nhl rules to win it but not the first to win the stanley cup.

04 Dec 2018 16:13:19
Seattle expansion fully approved and will start in 2021-22. Start hiding assets now! Also a team will have to be moved from the pacific to the central. Arizona and Edmonton were the 2 suggestions, but more likely Arizona.

Pacific is a terrible division right now and probably will be for a few years. I hope they keep Edmonton in the pacific for 2 reasons. #1 is I think they want mcdavid in the playoffs as much as possible during his prime years, that’s easier in their current division. And #2, having them play Calgary less times per season would be a shame for every hockey fan. Great rivalry and whether you’re a fan of the teams or not, they’re usually a great game to tune in to.

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04 Dec 2018 18:21:59
They are saying on the hockey shows here that it is Arizona moving to the Central.

04 Dec 2018 19:40:18
Yeah move arizona nobody cares where they go anyway.

04 Dec 2018 21:22:08
That’s good. Hopefully they get moved for real soon and not just division wise lol.

05 Dec 2018 00:59:32
I also remember reading that Golden Knights are exempt from the expansion draft.

To me that doesn't make sense since when this team arrives, they will have a good 4-5 years in the league.

It it was happening this year, then I agree with making them exempt. Just not for a team that has established itself for awhile.

05 Dec 2018 12:30:22
Lol. 🙄🙄🙄. The Seattle expansion team and realigning of the divisions have absolutely nothing to do with Edm and McDavid. They are moving Arizona to the central, which makes the most sense. McDavid has absolutely nothing to do with any of that though process. Wow. 😳.

05 Dec 2018 13:59:30
“We will make strong statements about us staying, for sure, ” added Nicholson in a cell phone interview on his way to the airport Sunday.

“I just believe we’ve been in the league a long time now and hopefully the league will respect our rivalries, especially the Calgary and Vancouver rivalries, ”

Those are the quotes from Bob Nicholson 4 days ago about how he’s going to lobby the league to keep the oilers in the pacific because they were being considered a candidate to move.

Now I’m well aware, even though you’re the first guy to tell everyone they don’t know what they’re talking about, that you don’t know who runs or works for your own team. So I’ll fill you in. Bob Nicholson is the CEO of the oilers. Okay. So I think it kinda had something to do with the oilers. I’m glad it’s Arizona leaving that division, but don’t be such a pompous ass all the time and learn something about the going’s on of your own team before running your mouth AGAIN.

05 Dec 2018 17:49:51
I said “I hope” as in me personally, that mcdavid and the oilers stay in that division because the league should want him in the playoffs as much as possible. A wise man (using the term ‘wise’ very loosely here) once told me to read to understand, don’t read to respond 😉.

03 Dec 2018 22:41:50
What do u guys think of Josh Leivo trade?

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03 Dec 2018 23:57:26
Leafs needed to make room for nylander that's about it. i think pittsburgh made a good deal today though.

05 Dec 2018 01:01:18
Josh Leivo is good but massively overhyped trade value by fans.

What he got in return is accurate or maybe would have gotten a mid pick.

He would definitely not get the help they needed. Anyways they dumped him to make space which is good.

05 Dec 2018 00:27:53
Ya I think Pittsburg got a really good defensemen.

05 Dec 2018 04:34:28
@datsyuk, I don’t think anyone really hyped him that I can remember or had predicted him getting much return at all. Any leaf fans I know or have read on here all kinda thought he was good enough to be an everyday player in the NHL and he was always a throw in on a proposal here or a one for one for another fringe guy, maybe on the blue line.

He did score in his first game for the Canucks though. Hopefully he has a good year. He’s a UFA after the season and I hope he gets some options. Nice kid too, I have friends that know his family from innisfil.

03 Dec 2018 19:33:11
Chuck fletcher? I think I'd rather hextall tbh

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04 Dec 2018 10:39:37
Hextall wasn’t bad tbh. Can’t think of any bad moves aside from the goaltending situation and McDonald.

04 Dec 2018 12:45:20
Story is he was fired because ownership told him green they want to make deep playoff runS now, Holmgren told Hextall it’s time to start trading picks and prospects to make the playoffs and Hextall said he has a plan and the prospect pool isn’t quite ready to do that. He felt so strongly it was a mistake that he refused and it cost him his job. got to respect that. Basically says if you want the work I’ve done to go to waste, you’re going to do it yourself, I’m not.

04 Dec 2018 15:07:50
Yeah I assumed that was the case it was clear from the start that's what hextalls plan was. I guess they got a guy there now who should be able to do that lol. Too bad for them he will probably get ripped off in every trade he makes.

04 Dec 2018 15:08:01
Yeah he’s probably one of the better GMs out there imo.

04 Dec 2018 16:20:05
The team just wasn’t doing very well either. In the four years he was GM, they missed playoff twice and were early exits the other two times. Under .500 currently, they are struggling to make playoffs again. Philly is a perennial bubble team. Mediocre at best, they aren’t good enough to seriously be considered as contenders, but not bad enough to warrant tanking and a complete rebuild. Trading away futures for a deep playoff run doesn’t make a lot of sense when your future looks pretty bleak. If Hextall held his ground, then good for him. He deserves credit for not caving. St. Louis May be looking for a new GM soon. Maybe Ronnie can get a job there.

03 Dec 2018 16:52:53
With Dermott being sent to the minors to make roster space for Nylander there’s now a few options.

Dermott is expected to play in buffalo tomorrow and that was just a move on paper for the day. Leafs are actively shopping Holl, Marincin and maybe gauthier to see if they can get something before having to waive one.

Also they are apparently considering sending Nylander to the Marlies as a conditioning stint rather than just having him practise to get up to speed. This gets him some game action and buys management a week or so to figure out a roster move.

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03 Dec 2018 17:47:33
And Josh Leivo traded to Vancouver. Lol problem solved. I like Leivo. Always a good soldier, never bitched about getting sat out. He went through the same thing as peter holland and Frankie corrado and both of hen complained and demanded trades. Leivo just kept working. Unfortunately it’s a numbers thing. Wish him the best in Vancouver, could be a good pick up for them.

03 Dec 2018 17:55:31
They said management promised Leivo when he signed his 1 year extension that if he lost his spot in the lineup without much chance to get back in, they would move him to a better opportunity for him. So it was just keeping their word.

03 Dec 2018 19:08:54
We will take him. Vancouver got an NHL player for an AHL player. Good trade Benning!

03 Dec 2018 19:55:04
I think Leivo will be good for you guys. He’s got a good shot, playing more physical this year than in the past (probably because that’s what was going to get him in our lineup) . Works hard, great release, not fast but a powerful skater. Put him with a playmaker and could get a lot out of him. RW with Boeser and Petterson And is be surprised if he doesn’t get 20 goals.

03 Dec 2018 21:30:53
Leivo is a good player. We just didn’t have room for him. Vancouver is you. g and upcoming team. He should have much better chance at making an impact there. I wish him luck. He did a good job and was really starting to look good this year.

03 Dec 2018 22:05:02
And they lose brandon liepsic on waivers. is leivo really an upgrade?

03 Dec 2018 22:44:03
I believe he is an upgrade. We had both. Saw both play for Marlies and in the nhl. I think liepsic could be the more offensive player in the AHL but Leivo will be a better nhler.

04 Dec 2018 23:10:58
I just saw that leipsic was placed on waivers Sunday when 3 guys came back from injury. Not a direct result of Leivo. I thought it was. Either way, I think we will see Leivo have a bigger impact there then leipsic did.

05 Dec 2018 03:38:06
No it wasn't directly because of leivo. He just got claimed the same day they traded for leivo.

03 Dec 2018 13:15:23
6.83 million for 6 years good contract imo. Should of gotten more but that's a little more then Pastrnack so decent deal

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03 Dec 2018 15:36:38
Who signed now?

03 Dec 2018 02:21:53
Looking at the Nylander signing, you got to think Dubas did an outstanding job here. He got his man. He got him at the cap hit he wanted. Nylander aberages $7.5 per year, so he gets his money. And that front loaded contract pretty well ensures he’s going to remain a Leaf for a while. I mean, this was a big deal, and Dubas handled it like a pro.

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03 Dec 2018 03:38:14
The reason it worked out like that is because Nylander held out, which you’ve been attacking him for on here since the beginning of the season. Dubas did a good job but part of that was probably ensuring the hold out you’ve been attacking Nylander for.

03 Dec 2018 04:53:33
The fact is, things could have gone sour. Nylander almost missed the entire season and Dubas may not have got a return for him. Both these guys could have ended up looking real bad. The holdout was complete b. s. Nylander should have signed for $6.9 beginning of the season and been on the team at the start of the year. To hold out a third of the year for the equivalent of $0.6M in salary ($7.5-$6.9) is selfish and greedy. Dubas turned a bad situation into a good one that satisfies everyone, and came out looking all the better for it.

03 Dec 2018 05:07:57
(7.5-6.9)*6 = $3.6M extra over the contract he made holding out. But, he loses 1/ 3 of his salary from this year for sitting out, which is 0.33* (10) = $3.3M.

So in all, Nylander gained ($3.6-$3.3)=$0.3M for missing out this whole time. Was it really worth it?

03 Dec 2018 07:48:55
Doesn't surprise me that leafsgm flip flops. He makes bold statements then when proven wrong, backtracked, deflects and makes excuses.

Shows his true character. At least I can admit what I am and when I am wrong lol.

03 Dec 2018 08:23:38
Your math is off on so many levels, I don't even know where to start.
And giving Nylander all the fault is pure hypocrisy, the Leafs are as much to fault as Nylander is. Each party fought hard for their goal, not more not less.

03 Dec 2018 11:04:40
Yes redwing, you only changed your username on more than one occasion because everyone on this site called you out. It was a year or two before you grew a set and admitted you are colt.

03 Dec 2018 14:00:50
What’s off with his math? $600k a year for 6years is $3.6 mill. This seasons salary is $10 mill and he gets $6.7mill of it. He has missed out on $3.3 mill. $3.6mill gain and $3.3 mill loss. Net gain $300k.

03 Dec 2018 14:14:56
And not all leaf fans blame Nylander. I don’t blame him for the awkward spot he was put in. I think he really overvalued himself, and that's fine. I’ve said it before on here, he’s guilty of what 90% of working people are guilty of. They think they’re worth more than their boss does. No blame, it’s settled.

03 Dec 2018 15:09:04
I didn’t backpedal, make excuses, or flip flop at all. I said it was a good contract, sure. But Nylander gained nothing from holding out this whole time. I even showed you the calculations that prove he gained nothing from a this. And my math is very correct as well. So $300k over six years for missing a third of the season is all Nylander gained fromtgis. Was it worth it? Probably not when Dubas would have signed him for that at the beginning of the year I’m sure.

03 Dec 2018 19:05:13
let's just say for fun he still only got an extra 300,000 that's still pretty good for 2 months of doing nothing it's a far cry from all this money you guys said he was missing out on by not playing. and if this was all it took why didn't dubas sign him two months ago?

03 Dec 2018 19:10:53
How much actual money does nylander get from this deal?

03 Dec 2018 20:02:01
He missed out on 27 games of his career for the money he would have made in 3-4 games. Those are games and missed stats that atvthe end of your career you can never get back. If he’s okay trading that for 300k while collecting $41+ mill, that’s up to him. I’ve said it lots, no Blame on him. He did what ember wanted and he gets to reap whatever benefits and suffer whatever consequences comes with it.

03 Dec 2018 20:27:56
How much actual money do he get from the entire contract?

03 Dec 2018 21:28:32
He gets $24.3 mill signing bonus over the entire term and $17.723 mill salary over the entire term.

$42,023,000 over 6 years. So pennies over $7 mill per.

It’s written up as $24.3mill bonus, $20.7mill salary for a total of $45mill (6x$7.5 mill)

However he gets 127 days worth of $10 mill this season which is 7,023,000. The rest evaporated with the hold out. Get it now?!

03 Dec 2018 21:34:56
After taking into account the loss of 1/ 3 his salary this year, he takes home about $42M over the course of six years. Or just shy of $7M. $6.9 is the figure thrown around. Which is probably right about where Dubas started his negotiations from what I’ve been reading this whole time. Dubas won these negotiations. And he did a damn good job at it too.

03 Dec 2018 23:10:04
So I've read that dubas first offer was 6 x6 so willy now gets an extra 1mil per year. I think it was worth his while to hold out. So say all you want that dubas won this but clearly nylander didn't lose. Get it now?

04 Dec 2018 00:55:45
Where did you read that? One of the reporters that in your own words you don’t believe and trust? Lol because I listened to Nylander talk for 15 min and dubas for 30 min and neither of them said that.

You said if the reporter doesn’t give his source it’s not true. So who was the source? Nylander, dubas, shanahan, Pridham, gross, Michael Nylander? Lol come one man. Stick to a set of rules for once 😂.

04 Dec 2018 01:02:48
You ask for all the numbers like you don’t believe them and repeatedly try to disprove them, when you finally realize they’re correct and it’s not bad, now unnamed sources amhave told you new information to sway it again?! Haha who’s article was it? Yupp? Lol.

04 Dec 2018 01:17:31
Pretty hard to “lose” when you are earning $7M a year. We can never know for sure where these guys started their negotiations. My understanding is Nylander started at $9.5, expecting to meet around $8, and Dubas started at $6, and refused to go past $7.

The only losers here were the fans, as always, who were left without their star 1RW to cheer on for a third of the season because he refused to play due to an honest, but mistaken, belief that he deserved more than his output to date would suggest he did.

04 Dec 2018 04:36:48
Leafsgm see I can't argue with that good job. Now if you go by reports nylander started at 8 or 8.5 and the leafs started at 6x6 or 2 years x 5mil. now like I said before I don't believe reports but I throw them out just to win an argument with jim. He thinks our arguments need things like rules and what not but he's just proving my point from the other day that those who are ready to put dubas on a pedestal for this deal only use the reports that make things in his favour. fact is we don't know what the initial offers were but I'd be willing to bet nylander got more then the initial offer from the leafs or he'd still be in Sweden. plus we can only assume what his actual market value is but I'd be suprised if anyone even leaf fans think he should be making more then pastranak. So I will say again it's not a bad deal for the leafs and I wouldn't call the leafs a total loser in this deal but if I was to pick a winner out of this negotiation I'd have to give the nod to nylander.

04 Dec 2018 04:40:18
I told you today pierre lebrun reported. I also remember at least one of dreger or mckenzie saying the exact same thing a month or so ago. But yeah I still don't believe they actually knew it to be true just like I don't believe nylander was looking for 8.5 mil. But if you guys want to use reports as an argument I guess I've got to throw the other ones your not talking about out there from time to time lol.

04 Dec 2018 04:42:32
An internet jockey like you jim shouldn't have much trouble finding those reports try looking somewhere other then the leafs websites that are also pumping dubas tires.

04 Dec 2018 12:59:25
I haven’t used those reports. I’ve said I personally feel he was $6.5-6.75 mill and could see an argument for calling anything under 7 a win long before he signed for $6.97 lol between the cap hit being under $7 mill and the structuring of bonuses and salaries that put leafs in total control of trading him and actually makes his contract more of an asset by the day makes it an easy win.

Believe what numbers you want, he obviously wanted more than this, they wanted to sign him for less clearly. But his fear was they were going to sign him for less and then trade him, and this contract makes that so easy to do going forward that I don’t see how he’s a big winner. He did alright. He got a bit more money and signed on the dotted line that gives so many more options to dubas from now on than he hadnt had before. Nylander gave up a ton to get that bit extra cash, which is fine, but he did concede important things.

04 Dec 2018 13:25:14
You think Nylander won. Fine.

I think team won. Fine

We will wait and see, the numbers (stats and contract) are very similar with inflation to Pastrnak. Did you think Pastrnak won that getting $6.67? I know a lot people that did. And a year later, not a chance he's getting whatbhes worth. Sweeney won that all day long. Now pasta was asked about it and says he has no regrets about signing it and is happy, same answer Morgan Rielly gave about his $5 mill deal, but if you think those aren’t team friendly deals and wins for the organizations, you’re absolutely wrong.

So we will wait and see what Nylander does, but with him only 22 years old, similar path to this point of pasta and the structure of the contract I’m very confident saying this will be better for the team than him. Either because he outperforms the contract or he’s moved to a team he didint want to sign with and leafs get a great return.

04 Dec 2018 15:12:13
Ok we'll let's just say nobody won then. Neither got exactly what they wanted so they both lose lol.

04 Dec 2018 15:23:17
I never once said the leafs wouldn't become the winner in a few years. I said nylander won this negotiation. Nobody knows how good or bad that deal will look in 5 years. leafs won the tavares sweepstakes but is that deal going to seem like a winner in year 7? Maybe, but who knows. Reilly's deal at the time was fair for him maybe slightly high if anything it's good now but I don't think a lot of people were saying it was a huge win for the leafs when they signed him. i seem to remember a few saying they liked the deal and it was good for both sides which is what they should be saying about the nylander deal.

02 Dec 2018 19:13:53
So just interesting seen a lot of people posting sherback from Montreal in trade but got claimed off waivers for nothing. He not developed as well as supposed to or what happened?

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02 Dec 2018 20:31:16
He really hasn't developed into much. He was never suppose to be a top line talent or anything but the habs had hoped he could be a decent 2nd line option I saw his ceiling as a 20 goal 50 point player which would have still been good. and he may still get there but his work ethic will have to improve. I think La should be a good fit for him if he can make the team.

02 Dec 2018 20:46:18
A first round pick waived. Yes, I think it’s safe to say he didn’t develop as hoped.

02 Dec 2018 22:34:03
Since kovalchuk is out for 4 weeks and they’re not scoring with what they have, maybe he gets out in a position with good players there and gets a better chance now.

03 Dec 2018 04:54:43
Yeah ya never know new team, new chance he better take advantage of it cause he's not going to get too many more chances. If he puts in the effort he should make that team and play somewhere in the lineup.


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