St. Louis Blues Rumours

25 Mar 2024 13:54:30
At The Draft.

Ottawa Trades
BTkachuk
Hamonic
3rd Round Pick 2025*

Toronto Trades
NRobertson
Holmberg
DeWar
Liljegren
Cowan (OHL)
1st Round Pick 2024
1st Round Pick 2026 (Lottery Protected)


*Sens have 2 picks in the 2025 3rd Round, their own and Florida's.
The Leafs will decide which one they want at The 2025 Draft.


This would be a trade proposal of the ages, Ottawa imo would look at this as they are still in a rebuild and getting this much for mostly BTkachuk could help them more for their future than not doing this proposal.
Leafs get a LWinger that brings so much to the table it would be worth trading away that much youth and future to get him, Hamonic gives them also what they need a tough right-handed shooting defenceman.



Thoughts ?

25 Mar 2024 14:48:55
Ottawa won't trade Tkachuk, especially for that horrible offer of 4th line NHLers, boarder line AHLers, unproven Junior players, and late 1st round picks.
Stop already with your daily one sided, pro leaf trade follies.

25 Mar 2024 15:40:46
islandjet1
Besides DeWar who is the 4th liner? and there are no AHLers in my proposal, Easton Cowan just set a record for conservative points in London and that's not a prospect?
Liljegren would be third in Defense scoring so that's garbage as well?
Two 1st Rounders aren't worth anything else according to you.
And Holmberg is a solid Winger/ Centre and will only get better.
Look to trade Brady Tkachuk would be a bold move but what is in my proposal is the opposite of what you just posted as besides DeWar being a 4th liner, nothing else in your view applies at all.

25 Mar 2024 22:12:48
Stop it. Ottawa wouldn't accept and the little cost controlled depth we do have should be held onto.

We are a whole ass year away from being ready to make a legitimate push. We have next to zero draft capital, our goaltending is questionable at best, and we are still missing a very solid RHD.

You overvalue our players like no other man and have no idea the value of other teams' players or their importance to their current team.

25 Mar 2024 23:35:21
Adding Tkachuk would mean $62.355 million out of a possible $87.7 million salary cap will be allocated to 6 players, 5 of which are forwards. (Matthews 13.25, Nylander 11.5, Tavares 11, Marner 10.9, Reilly 7.5 and Tkachuk at 8.205)

$24.645 million left to pay 16 players, one of which would be Samsonov looking for an extension and a raise on his current $3.55m salary.

Toronto doesn't get any closer to a Stanley cup by trading their best prospect and 2 1st round picks for another forward.

26 Mar 2024 13:19:09
DrezDave
16 players to resign?
That number is way off, you might disagree with me which you are entitled to about my proposal, but please post facts not fiction.

26 Mar 2024 13:29:39
He never said we needed to resign them he's saying we have $24.645 mill to fill out 16 roster spots. That's not enough to build a contending team. I'm sure you are seeing Vegas trade away their draft capital and are thinking man we should do that too. The difference is they have guys signed at reasonable cap hits so they have built an absolute powerhouse of a team because of it. They can afford to trade draft picks away cause they are likely 3-4 years away from some key players regressing and can wait to add prospects. We are not.

26 Mar 2024 13:32:55
$10.7 million allocated to Knies, Kampf, Reaves, Mcmann, McCabe, Timmins and Woll.

So that's $73 million out of $87 million committed to 13 players.

$14 million left to sign a starting goalie, 3 NHL caliber defenseman, and 5 other NHL caliber forwards.

You want facts? You can't ice a competitive NHL roster when 84% of your teams salary is allocated to only 13 players, none of which are the starting goalie.

26 Mar 2024 13:39:37
MG69
Leafs for next season have 13 players signed, the max on a roster is 23 players so 23 - 13 is 10 not 16, please explain where the other 6 come in?

26 Mar 2024 13:52:55
DrwDave
Woll is the starter next season not Samsonov, which I believe isn't resigned.

26 Mar 2024 14:10:05
Might as well take 2.2 mill off that Hamonic makes @DrwDave so that number now becomes 11.8 mill for two NHL caliber dmen, 5 other forwards, and I won't even say a starting goalie but another goalie to share starting duties with Will. Either way it's not enough to make a competitive cup team.

26 Mar 2024 14:40:40
Good god man he is saying the rest of the cap left over after you take away the cap hits of Matthews, Tavares, Marner, Nylander, Rielly, and Tkachuk would be used on the remaining roster spots whether they are signed to us or not. He also listed the players that are signed through till next offseason and they eat up $12.9 mill. So now we are at around $11.8 mill for the remaining roster spots from either guys in our system or guys we sign. End of the day we need another NHL level goalie, at least 2 NHL level dmen, and forwards to either be signed or from our system. The number is actually even less as I didn't include Jarnkrok.

28 Mar 2024 11:06:43
Thats alot of quantity with very little quality coming from the leafs, like usual.

31 Mar 2024 11:27:05
"Thanks, I needed a good laugh. " - Steve Staios.

19 Mar 2024 16:54:23
Blues Trade
Buchnevich*
3rd Round Pick 2024 (NYR Pick)

Leafs Trade
Holmberg
Kampf**
1st Round Pick 2024

*Blues retain 50% of Buchnevich's expiring contract.

**Kampf will have to waive his modified no trade clause if The Blues aren't part of clause.


Thoughts ?

19 Mar 2024 19:55:19
hi. St. Louis? wanna trade 2 of your quality players for a bag of nothing? No? okay. I'll try somewhere else.

19 Mar 2024 23:20:51
2 of St. Louis Blues quality players balsam8?
Buchnevich agreed is a top forward on an expiring contract next season, and The Blues tried trading him at the deadline retaining 50% of his contract, the other quality player is the 3rd Rounder?
Leafs Players are a bag of nothing including a 1st Rounder?
Sorry you aren't making any sense at all imo.

20 Mar 2024 12:05:52
He's referring to the trade below. But man two fourth liners and a 1st are not getting a top 6 winger and a third. It just isn't happening. We don't need help upfront man, we really truly do not. We need stability in net and some stability on the back end. Like vbbb has said before once Tavares is off the books and is either brought back on a Spezza/ Gio deal or walks that is when we are going to really be competitive. Roughly $9mill to add a good piece or two that will push us over the top. We need to use the little draft capital we do have to replenish our prospect pool. Alot of our prospects are hitting that 23-24 age and most haven't been good enough to compete for a roster spot. And because of that their value in a trade isn't going to be much.

20 Mar 2024 21:14:01
Buchnevich will get St. Louis a much better return than this. There's no rush when they have him for another year.

Toronto also doesn't solve any of their issues with this trade. They have too much cap space tied up on forwards, very few prospects, and even fewer draft picks to build their prospect pipeline.

20 Mar 2024 21:17:06
Even if the Leafs could somehow convince St. Louis to retain 50% salary on Buch, which with this package they cant, that $2.9m would still mean Toronto is using almost $50 million of their team salary to pay 5 forwards.

Because you're a Leafs fan, I have to assume you already know using more than half the teams salary on forwards is not going to win them a cup. right?

21 Mar 2024 16:22:29
Absolutely brutal.

Pinball, even your fellow leaf fans think your trades make no sense, yet you resist everyone's feedback.

Your pre-trade deadline trade ideas were waaaaaay off, and now you're fixated on some version of a trade with STL that's so far off it's a complete waste of everyone's time.

24 Mar 2024 22:27:06
Blues may get a sign and trade for buch at draft.

18 Mar 2024 14:47:49
At The Draft.

Blues Trade
Buchnevich*
Parayko

Leafs Trade
Holmberg
Kampf**
Villeneuve (AHL)
1st Round Pick 2024
5th Round Pick 2024***

*Blues retain 50% of Buchnevich's expiring contract.

**Kampf would have to waive his modified no trade clause.

***Leafs have 3 5th Round Picks in the 2024 Draft, Blues get to choose which one they want.


Treliving I believe will be looking to get bigger and tougher on Defense as well adding a Top Winger for the top 6.

St.Louis might bite at this proposal as it will give them some youth and draft picks minus Kampf of course as he would be a Cap Dump.


Thoughts ?

19 Mar 2024 01:42:19
People know Leafs are desperate to win with the "Core 4". To get better players, Cowen, Mitten are gonna be included. Your 1st is a late 20's the rest is meh. kinda blah. I think if Leafs don't win this year, the window is closed.

19 Mar 2024 01:43:32
Unless Woll becomes upper echelon goalie.

19 Mar 2024 02:31:17
That doesnt get you parayko or buch by itself.

19 Mar 2024 17:09:50
Once the Tavares contract expires and he signs a league minimum contract ( Jason Spezza/ gio like ) then the leafs window truly opens.

20 Mar 2024 21:07:07
Adding another forward won't change the outcome with the Toronto Maple Leafs

Trading another 1st round pick won't change the outcome with the Toronto Maple Leafs

Sit still and stock up some prospects. They need to balance the books and get Marner signed before they can figure out the rest.

2025-26 they'll be back better, until then the Leafs need to sit and their fans need to chill.

08 Mar 2024 13:34:08
Blues Trade
Buchnevich*
Parayko
Blais
3rd Round Pick 2024 (NYR Pick)

Leafs Trade
Brodie
Liljegren
Kampf
NRobertson (AHL)
1st Round Pick 2024
1st Round Pick 2026 (Lottery Protected)

*Blues retain 50% of Buchnevich's remaining contract.


If Toronto really wants to make a splash and go for it this year adding these 3 players will help huge imo.


Thoughts ?

08 Mar 2024 19:03:42
- Puts leaves over the cap.

- Doug Armstrong is a credible GM. Give him a little credit. No way he gives up those players for this kind of package.

08 Mar 2024 17:17:22
Thats aweful completly aweful.

08 Mar 2024 17:29:09
Liljgren
Nemila
1st 2024
1st 2025
Minten
2nd 2024.

08 Mar 2024 22:18:23
Honestly, tor just doesn't have what it takes to make that trade not at all.

19 Mar 2024 23:20:29
If you were to replace Lili with someone else I’d do that @redwing1 I don’t think teams are prepared to give up what’d you’d expect for Paryanko and Buch not that you overate them just that teams generally don’t pay as much as people expect in those types of deals. I fully think Paryanko is close to being on par with Morgan Rielly.

07 Mar 2024 16:18:34
My Dream Trade that would take the Jets to the next level:

St. Louis Colton Parayko (Waive NTC)

to Winnipeg:
Nate Schmidt
Brad Lambert
Ville Heinola

Defense parings after:
Morrisey, Parayko
Pionk, Dillon,
Demelo, Samberg
Depth - Stanley, Copabianco

07 Mar 2024 16:26:23
I don't see why St. Louis would do that.

I also don't think it's a good idea to be tied into Parayko's contract until he's 37.

07 Mar 2024 17:05:26
Absolutely Agree,

St. Louis Doug Armstrong is known for being agressive. He signed alot of big contracts last summer including Parayko, Krug, Faulk on the back end and St louis is 4-5-1 in last 10 games outside the wildcard. In the past he has traded assets to retool. this package gets him 3 nhl ready and 2 young former #1 draft picks that don't fit into Jets next 3 years. "I am Dreaming" if this were to happen it would be Major news in Trade Deadline in NHL. Realty it is 99% sur not to happen.

08 Mar 2024 17:31:44
Parayko will cost willander plus 1st 2024 and also if money coming back probably another 1st. Why do teams trade #1rhd in the nhl on term. They dont.

06 Mar 2024 20:44:37
Blues Trade
Parayko

Leafs Trade
Brodie
Timmons
1st Round Pick 2024 or 2026 (STL choice at this upcoming draft)


If Treliving wants to make a serious splash on Defense this is the type of trade he should make, is it enough to get Parayko is the biggest question.



Thoughts ?

07 Mar 2024 22:17:12
- is the reality of the leafs trade deadline moves registering with you in any way Pinball?

- Treliving inherited years of mismanagement from Dubas. The lineup is top-heavy and years of trading picks have left few real prospects and only 3/ 9 picks for the next 3 years’ first 3 rounds of the draft.

- Treliving was always going to be limited in what he could do at the deadline. Everyone seems to understand that.

- given what he inherited, I’d say Treliving has done some decent bargain bin shopping to address his back end needs.

- Edmundson is battling a variety of physical ailments, but he will play smartly within his limitations and make the front of the net unpleasant for opponents.

- Boosh will be a good add for the leafs back end too. Neither he nor Eddy cost much in assets, and they addressed the leafs’ most obvious needs: defensive depth. (As many here have pointed out to you. )

- if the feedback to your one-sided trades that mostly focused on adding forwards doesn’t register with you, perhaps the reality of this trade deadline’s moves and asset costs will.

09 Mar 2024 11:33:18
Treliving improved the team without breaking the bank. Dewar can slot in at any forward position, kill penalties, physical for his size. Boosh and Edmundson add that snarl on the backend.

This wasn't the year to big game hunt. We didn't have the prospect depth or the draft capital that other teams were working with. Hell, we don't have a draft pick in 2025 until the 5th round. This group is going to have to come together down the stretch; continue playing with a bit of snarl and a chip on their shoulder; and hopefully one of the goalies gets hot at the right time.

06 Mar 2024 20:18:08
To Toronto- Parayko and Neighbours

To Blues - Brodie, Minten, Niemela and 2024 first

blues could then flip Brodie for a pick with some retention.

07 Mar 2024 12:57:29
I watched the Blues a couple days after making a Parayko trade and he’s still a horse. the contract is a little scary but he’s solid out there.
Neighbours was also one of the best Blues players out there, I’m guessing he’s next to untouchable.

07 Mar 2024 13:22:36
That doesnt get you parayko not at all. Neighbors isn't for sale. Why would anyone do that?

06 Mar 2024 07:41:38
St. Louis:
Colton Parayko (remaining cap hit today:$1,455,729)

Edmonton:
Cody ceci (remaining cap hit today:$727,865)
2024 first round draft pick
Xavier Borgeault

(Possibly involve AZ to take on 25% of cap for a 2nd round draft pick/ Rafael Lavoie)

06 Mar 2024 20:25:30
That’s a 6 yr commitment on retention. Can’t see it.

06 Mar 2024 21:09:39
Lol not gonna happen. that's a joke of a trade.

06 Mar 2024 22:23:19
Yeah lol um no thanks. Sounds awful.

08 Mar 2024 19:08:12
Do you realize Parayko is signed for 6 more years after this one?

27 Feb 2024 11:10:09
Det kasper wallinder 1st 2024

Stl - buchnevich.

27 Feb 2024 13:39:14
Interesting deal here @redwing1.

27 Feb 2024 15:44:55
I dont like having Kasper in this trade, I'd rather include Berggren but overall this is a good package.

27 Feb 2024 15:55:09
Does it work. I think ita truly a fair deal. Top line winger who os ppg and 30 goal scorer and another year left. For former first wallinder which has top 4 potential and 1st 2024.

28 Feb 2024 02:01:55
Cant believe no one is really disagreeing with me. Very rare everyone thinks its good.

01 Mar 2024 13:10:09
It's a good trade idea man. Like DrwDave said I think they'd probably rather hold onto Kasper. But it's an aggressive offer and would give them another weapon upfront.

21 Feb 2024 07:10:03
Stl - parayko

Tor - nemeilA, 2024 1st, knies.

21 Feb 2024 10:58:37
It would be a huge mistake to trade Knies

18 Feb 2024 16:04:42
STL - Colton Parayko, Pavel Buchnevich and 2024 1st
TOR - Mitch Marner


Marner - 10.9M @ 2 UFA
Parayko - 6.5M @ 7 UFA
Buchnevich - 5.8M @ 2 UFA

Toronto replaces Marner with a cheaper winger, adds a RHD to their blueline and acquires acquired a draft pick to make more potential moves with. St Louis lacks star power and it could be enticing to add a big name player like Marner to their team.

18 Feb 2024 21:59:28
Ownership won’t allow a Marner trade.

19 Feb 2024 05:14:54
Who is gonna set up boy wonder (34)

14 Feb 2024 20:39:15
Leafs: parayko

Blues: 2024 1st, Robertson, niemela, Brodie.


Leafs get a big blue liner that they could really use. Brodie goes back due to cap constraints. At Louis can flip him if they feel like it, or use him in their playoff push.

Leafs would still have their 3rd, and to another rested liljigren to use for trade bait.

15 Feb 2024 10:39:11
-STL is in a wildcard spot. Not sure why they’d give up on the playoffs, or a guy they recently signed long term?

- this deal puts STL over their roster limit regardless.
L.

15 Feb 2024 17:07:26
Does Toronto really want to anchor themselves with a 6.5M cap hit that runs for 6 more years, especially with their current cap situation?

15 Feb 2024 22:15:14
Same reason Philly is going to sell. St. Louis takes this and runs IMO.

15 Feb 2024 23:25:58
1) blues are not trading parayko.

2) nic roberston is not a need for the blues.

3) blues are not trading parayko

4) if parayko was going the ask would be knies neimela and 1st 2024 2nd 2025 * turns into first if toronoto wins stanley cup

1 year cap dump guess that.

14 Feb 2024 15:18:52
2 trade proposals.

First One.
Minnesota Trades
Bogosian
1st Round Pick 2025*

Toronto Trades
Liljegren

*Lottery Protected


Second One.
St.Louis Trade
Buchnevich+

Toronto Trades
Kampf
NRobertson
1st Round Pick 2025 (Wild Pick)

+Blues retain 50% of Buchnevich's remaining 2 year contract.


First proposal very similar to The Rasmus Sandin trade with Washington at last season's deadline and it gives Toronto what they are looking for.

Second Proposal improves the Top Line or second LW position, the prior proposal keeps The Leafs 1st Rounder this upcoming draft using The Wilds pick in 2025.


Thoughts ?

14 Feb 2024 18:39:23
- Minny is definitely trying to build through the draft, especially given their crushing buyout penalties. They are unlikely to trade a 1st. (Do you think you might be a tad overvaluing Lilly? )

- I'm not sure why STL would retain 2 seasons of Boosh & take on 4 years of Kampf @ 2.4M/ year.

- You explain how this helps the leafs, but you leave out an equally important part: how does this help the other teams involved? There has to be a fit for both teams, otherwise what's the point?

14 Feb 2024 20:04:04
Bogo would refuse to even get on a plane to return to Toronto.

14 Feb 2024 21:17:12
1 Sure the capitals made a similar trade a year ago, but are they a better team now than they were then?
2 Exchange veteran kampf for a prospect like Cowan or mittens, kampf could easily be perceived as a dump to make the cap work for the leafs rather than value to the blues.

15 Feb 2024 06:42:02
Liljegren isn’t worth a 1st and the second trade doesnt meet the Blues needs at all

18 Feb 2024 04:21:26
Buch would require knies and first since he has 1.5 years and retention and 1 year cap dump.

19 Jan 2024 15:52:23
Blues Trade
Buchnevich*

Leafs Trade
NRobertson
Kampf
1st Round Pick 2024


*Blues retain 50% of Buchnevich's last 2 years of his contract.


Toronto need to make a few changes and yes this doesn't fix Defense but it does give them another gun in the top 6, cap wise it's basically a wash so The Leafs won't be over The Cap.

A few Blues players have been out there of possible trade candidates including Buchnevich and this type of proposal is the now plus the future doing a trade like this.



Thoughts ?

19 Jan 2024 18:23:36
makes no sense. for years fans have complained about the defense, then the goaltending, sometimes using g them as scapegoats. improve that area. why get more forwards?

20 Jan 2024 15:28:12
balsam8
Is Buchnevich an improvement on The Leafs over Kampf and NRobertson?
That's why you do it.

21 Jan 2024 02:07:17
PINBALL: Balsam is right, everyone knows the leafs need help on the back end. The leafs have plenty of offense, but they still can’t outscore their defensive lapses. Getting pumped for another 6 tonight is just the latest example.

21 Jan 2024 15:52:02
We need help on defense. There is no reason at all to add another top 6 forward to an already overcrowded abundance of players capable of playing in the top 6. We can no longer outscore our problems, time to address them.

22 Jan 2024 12:03:00
pinball. all they need to do is make the entitled 4 more accountable for their lack defensive awareness. not all about padding stats.

11 Jan 2024 17:30:40
Mtl - evans-harris-allen 50% retain

LA - PLD


PLD in LA is not working out, Full NMC kick next year.Evans, Harris , Allen would be good depth player for LA for a playoff run. LA save 4M and can pursue a guys like Kane or Tarasenko for playoff run.

Habs take a chance(huge contract) on a reliable 2way big body LHC. Hoping st Louis magic make him the player he should be

11 Jan 2024 18:03:28
Good idea to at least entertain the idea of trading him before his clause kicks in.

11 Jan 2024 18:21:25
Big no from MTL. MTL didn’t sign him when they had the chance. They dodged a bullet on that contract and player.

11 Jan 2024 20:26:28
They didn't have the chance to sign him but to overpay for him, and with that offer, it's not the case.

11 Jan 2024 22:26:27
I can't see LA panicking and taking such a bad offer after 40 games. There's nothing of any real value coming from Montreal.

12 Jan 2024 02:31:40
Habs are happy to not have had to pay that deal. So no thanks.

14 Jan 2024 15:18:57
I think it’s too early for a trade as well. But if it did happen maybe
MON - Anderson, 2025 1st
LAK - Dubois, 2024 2nd.

04 Jan 2024 18:02:57
STL - Parayko

EDM - Campbell, Broberg, 2024 1st.

04 Jan 2024 18:35:48
It Will cost more than that to dump Campbell.

05 Jan 2024 01:47:25
Parayko’s a 25 point D with bad underlying numbers, he makes 6.5M for 6 more season after this one making 6.5M. I don’t watch St. Louis and I assume he’s still a decent D but it’s not a good contract. Blues would get a recent top 10 pick that needs some NHL minutes and a 1st round pick while cutting salary and 3 years of term.

05 Jan 2024 12:41:52
Paryanko for Broberg and 1st isn’t bad or Broberg and a 1st to dump Campbell.

05 Jan 2024 13:20:04
Ebs, you are correct that Parayko isn't what he once was and doesn't have great numbers, but St. Louis still considers him a core piece from what you hear and he is still a top 4 defenseman, so that's worth something. A bit of a high cap hit, but still a respectable player.

While Campbell isn't even an AHL level backup, so that's complete dead cap. Along with a mid first and a B/ C prospect. There's just nothing worthwhile for St. Louis.

05 Jan 2024 16:52:04
Replacing one bad contract with a more expensive longer bad contract is an Edmonton move.

05 Jan 2024 19:15:57
Broberg and a 1st for Parayko? I’d maybe take him for free considering the Oilers are in a win now mode but probably gonna be a bad contract in 3 years. Also Broberg is definitely not a C prospect. He’s for sure an NHL player on a team with room for him.

05 Jan 2024 19:32:07
I think it’s actually a good trade, Parayko’s contract ain’t any better so.

06 Jan 2024 04:54:42
The term is definitely scary for Parayko. Campbell would be an easy low cap buyout for St. Louis after a couple seasons of retooling. I think it would be worth it for St. Louis to get a couple solid pieces while trading away expensive term.

07 Jan 2024 18:16:52
Paryanko Is a big mobile defensive RHD those don’t grow on trees.

08 Jan 2024 15:24:14
His team is worse when he’s on the ice. I’m not a fancy stats guy so I’m being a hypocrite by using his corsi and what not against him. But I can’t imagine he has much value. 25-30 would be good value but 30-36 isn’t gonna age well IMO. St. Louis should be looking to get younger anyway.

08 Jan 2024 16:34:00
Is Parayko really worth that much? Does Edmonton want to handcuff themselves with a 6.5M contract for many years? I don't think its worth it for them

08 Jan 2024 20:45:21
I think they need to balance between win now and keeping their window open wide. Campbell is as negative value as it gets and this trade would bring back a bigger contract but a way more useful piece. Last few seasons of the contract could be bad but it would be a win for the first few seasons.

12 Dec 2023 18:08:55
EDM - Campbell, Erne, 2024 1st, 2025 1st

STL - Binnington (25% retained), Vrana, 2025 2nd.

13 Dec 2023 01:11:35
Take away the retention or switch Earne for Broberg.

13 Dec 2023 15:22:45
We know Campbell has a lot of negative value but what’s Binnington’s value? League average goaltending this year, below league average over the past 4 seasons. Makes 6M for 4 more seasons. Negative value IMO, Vrana also negative value. St. Louis has two 2nds and two 3rds, so maybe switch the pick to a third instead?

22 Dec 2023 13:47:24
Not two 1rst rd pics.

22 Dec 2023 18:41:18
Two 1sts but also getting a St. Louis 2nd that might be high.

25 Aug 2023 01:59:14
To St Louis Blues :
RW - William Nylander ( 6.96 @ 1 UFA )

To Toronto Maple Leafs :
RD - Colton Parayko ( 6.50 @ 7 UFA )
LW - Jake Neighbours ( 835k @ 2 RFA )
1st Round Pick in 2024 - STL



Tyler Bertuzzi - Auston Matthews - Mitch Marner
Matthew Knies - John Tavares - Max Domi
Jake Neighbours - David Kampf - Calle Jarnkrok
Sam Lafferty - Pontus Holmberg - Ryan Reaves

Morgan Rielly - Colton Parayko
TJ Brodie - John Klingberg
Mark Giordano - Jake McCabe

25 Aug 2023 14:46:34
Lilijgren makes that lineup over Gio.

25 Aug 2023 18:10:50
Significant overpay by St. Louis.

25 Aug 2023 18:21:54
I think that’s a really good fit. With an extension in place I think it’s a solid deal for both teams.

11 Jul 2023 04:21:36
Bookmark this and look back on this I'll be calling out the people when Helly is traded.

Right now the market for Helly is tiny ( New Jersey and Buffalo )

I'm betting he heads to Jersey as there is mutual interest there and Buffalo is very frugal with their assets.

Goalies tend to have little value and the most a goalie has gotten were A. Schnider a young cost controlled goalie coming off a phenomenal playoff run with Vancouver B. Ryan Miller ( comparable to Helly imo )

People are going to really be surprised on the little value he brings in. I'd say 75% chance he's moved if not the Jets will ride out his contract because they are still a playoff team in there division and a playoff team trading there élite starting goalie mid season is a disservice to season ticket holders and the players on the team.

With that being said here is my vague estimate on what he returns.

New Jersey: Vanacek and a 1st 2024

Winnipeg: Hellybuck ( 50% retained )- yes If they move Helly that signals a rebuild so they will retain on him to maximize value very likely

Or

New Jersey: Vanacek, B level prospect and a 2nd 2024

Winnipeg: Hellybuck ( 50% retained )

I'm very interested to see his return. Vanacek is pretty solid and honestly in the long run maybe he's a better option then whatever Helly gets payed ( Loulongo, Price and Bob come to mind )

Dark horse team: LA kings don't think they do it with Copley and Talbot set but it's possible

11 Jul 2023 13:35:49
It's hard to say what the return will be if they trade Hellebuyck. There aren't any real comparables in recent history as elite goalies rarely get traded and Miller and Schneider just aren't the same level. However, your trade looks reasonable, you just may be a decent prospect light on it, especially with retention.

Because as you say, if goalies don't have much value, you're basically just oferring a late first for Hellebuyck, which likely doesn't do it. Chevy is a grinder and has shown he will get good returns on players when everyone else is saying he will get nothing.

11 Jul 2023 16:02:47
Although I agree that goalies don't get back a good return in trades.
Helly wanting $9+ mil a year doesn't make finding a trading partner easy for the Jets.
I believe that the Jets could do better than Vanacek and a 1st if he is traded before the season starts.
If he is moved at the trade deadline the Jets will most likely have to settle for an A prospect and a #1 draft pick but nothing better than a middle 6 forward or a 3rd pairing d-man.
Neither of those type of players would help the Jets.
Trades are hard to get a fair return in this new NHL.

11 Jul 2023 18:11:07
I dissagree on Miller. I think he’s better then Helly when he was moved. He did win a vezina on a horrid team and his numbers were among the top consistently again on a weak team also he had 2 Olympic medals at the time of the deal. He fell off a cliff after but at the time he was a top 5 goalie during the peak of goaltending in the 21st century.

11 Jul 2023 19:06:22
Well said Memarcus and Jet.

Chevy has shown himself to be a shrewd trader, so I expect him to do something worthwhile or nothing at all. He certainly exceeded expectations with the Dubois trade considering he was moving a distressed asset. Full respect?.

11 Jul 2023 23:03:56
I'm waiting for the deangelo to Carolina trade to go down before I bookmark anything by you vb, with all do respect.

12 Jul 2023 10:25:58
Sounds like nj is out. Im torn on hellybuck, hes top few goalies in the league now but a free agent at 31 and gonna want 8 mil and too many years. Only makes sense if he can win them 1 cup this year and hope he will sign for 5 years or less. I definitely can see gm's reluctance.

12 Jul 2023 13:10:05
SHOOTS: you bring an interesting perspective man. You're a well thought out cat?.

24 Jun 2023 02:12:13
Potential 3-Way Trade Between (OTT, STL & PHI)


To Ottawa Senators :
RW - Travis Konecny ( 5.50 @ 2 UFA )

To St Louis Blues :
RW - Alex Debrincat ( RFA )

To Philadelphia Flyers :
TOR’s 25th Overall Selection in 2023 (1ST) - STL
DAL’s 29th Overall Selection in 2023 (1ST) - STL


Alex Debrincat (25 yrs)
27G 39A 66Pts

Travis Konecny (26 yrs)
31G 30A 61Pts

STL needs/wants scoring and holds the #10, #25, #29 picks in the first round. Debrincat wants to play in the US, Konecny is from Ontario and has two years left on his deal, Philadelphia is obviously shopping Konecny.

24 Jun 2023 12:34:49
If I were St. Louis, I would rather do a trade directly with Philly and give those 2 first round picks for Konecny. There is no reason to include Ottawa at all.

24 Jun 2023 13:52:02
Pretty even trade as flyers fan I like it.
Only question is does st. Louis want another 8 million plus contract?
Think they would rather have 5.5 x2 instead.
Simple 2 way trade philly/ stloius easier and cleaner.

24 Jun 2023 18:47:40
OTT will do better for Debrincat.

24 Jun 2023 19:58:44
I wonder if they will be able to cf. ADB has put Ottawa behind the eight ball. He has limited the number of teams he would sign with, and some of them have no cap room to pay him, so there only a couple of teams in the running. And when you add in the fact that he was -31 last year on a team which was +21 when he was not may limit his value further. I am thinking that Ottawa fans will be disappointed with the return.