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20 Apr 2024 19:04:12
Chicago Trades
SJones*

Toronto Trades
Kampf**
Liljegren
Akhtyomov (KHL)
1st Round Pick 2026

*Chicago retains 2.5 million of SJones remaining contract (6yrs)

**Kampf will have to waive his NMC if Chicago isn't on his list.

Rebuilding Teams like Chicago make off season trades like this for their future, Leafs did it with Phil Kessel and Chicago is in the same place as The Leafs were minus Connor Bedard.

What will The Leafs need starting next season ?
A Defenceman just like SJones imo.

Thoughts ?

21 Apr 2024 12:38:11
Even with the retention I wouldn't feel comfortable paying Jones $7mill for the remainder of his contract when in reality he's not pushing us over the top.

22 Apr 2024 01:40:56
Jones is exactly what the leafs need. At 7.5 he has value. Marner will most likely need to move if this goes through.

Pinball everyone craps on you, but at least your making an attempt at keeping this site alive.

22 Apr 2024 13:29:34
It would be $7mill. And maybe he would if his contract didn't take him to 35. It's alright value for maybe another few years and that's assuming Jones starts to play better cause as it stands right now there are quite a few dman that are better than him overall. But after that we would be stuck with a $7mill anchor of a contract with no way out of it except for trading away draft picks like we had to do with Marleau and Mrazek in recent memory. So again, I'm good leaving that contract alone. And again I will say 2025 offseason is where the Leafs need to make the aggressive moves. Tavares contract is up and whether we move on from Marner or sign him is yet to be seen, but that Tavares contract being off the books opens up the door to fill out the roster with solid dmen, solid 2nd line down to the 4th line players, and with any sort of luck a true #1 goalie.

11 Apr 2024 02:25:53
Detroit trades
Lyon

Toronto trades
Woll
3rd round pick.

12 Apr 2024 13:39:22
not a huge fan of either, but not sure why it wouldn't be a one for one, why add pick.

13 Apr 2024 13:00:33
One's proven himself over the last 2 years, including 20 wins this year on a middling team. the other is a bit young and has only 35 career games under his belt with a top end team. I haven't seen anything out of woll that suggests he's ready to be a number 1, so the leafs have the option of either throwing him in the net anyway and "calling him" a number 1 or make a move like this. the reason for an added pick was because I feel this trade helps the leafs in the short-term, but doesn't really fit the team needs of the redwings. Detroit has husso locked in, but also have a couple goalie prospects that are coming along nicely. lyon played in 43 games so far this year, if he can come anywhere close to a repeat next year at 900k this would be a steal for any team.

14 Apr 2024 02:27:21
Unaware of whether Lyon is signed past this year. But based on his play he's likely getting a raise. Woll was showing every sign a franchise would want for a guy who was poised to be the #1 for the following season. After his injury tho he hasn't looked even close to the same. We don't have the funds to get a top end goalie so I as a Leafs fan would rather give Woll the summer and see what happens.

14 Apr 2024 12:13:15
MG. lyon has 1 year left and I agree, he should get something substantial in the summer of 25. woll also has one year left of his entry level.
If there was a way for the leafs to acquire lyon without giving up woll, that sure would be intriguing. 1A-B combined in the ballpark of 1.7.

19 Apr 2024 15:37:55
I'll take Lyon over Woll to stay in Detroit. I'm sure Husso is available though if the Leafs want him for a 3rd round pick.

11 Apr 2024 02:20:51
Toronto trades
McCabe
5th round pick

Ottawa trades
Kelly
Brannstrom
Sokolov
3rd round pick

Ottawa could use a bottom pair defenceman to battle with kleven for a roster spot in the fall

Unless McCabe is committed long term on a new contract it would be better to get assets back before he walks for nothing after next season. Kelly, brannstrom and sokolov are all RFA's that the leafs can fill in nicely with their own RFA's NRobertson, dewar and liljegren. Leafs also turn their 5th into a 3rd, which is a bit over the top but should be enough to entice treliving.

15 Apr 2024 20:53:20
Too much for McCabe, also McCabe didn’t like the idea of playing in Canada before being traded to Toronto so he probably wouldn’t play in Ottawa.

10 Apr 2024 13:18:01
Ottawa Trades
Chychrun
3rd Round Pick 2025 (Florida's Pick)

Toronto Trades
NRobertson
DeWar
Liljegren
1st Round Pick 2026 (Lottery Protected)

Leafs will be looking to upgrade Defence and adding Chychrun would fit into what they would be looking at.

Unless Chychrun is committed long term on a new contract it would be better to get assets back before he walks for nothing after next season, NRobertson would be either on the second or third line in Ottawa, Liljegren though not Chychrun would play in Ottawa full time, DeWar fills in the 4th line nicely and Sens also get a 1st Rounder out of this deal

Remember everyone Chychrun was traded for a 1st and two 2nd Rounders when Arizona traded him to Ottawa and had more contract as well, so my proposal imo is similar to that transaction.

Thoughts ?

10 Apr 2024 20:25:35
- explain it any way you like, and upvote yourself till the cows come home, but these one-sided trades you post incessantly are a waste of everyone’s time.

- OTT isn’t going to help your leafs out like this for that yard sale of a return. Their new owner would fire any GM that even suggested something like this.

11 Apr 2024 01:40:21
So chychrun for a bag of pucks turns ottawa's 3rd into a 1st? No thanks.

11 Apr 2024 14:13:34
Chickenfoot and Facelift39.
I guess none of those Leaf Players are NHLers in your world unless they play for another team got it.
What did Ottawa trade to get Chychrun from Arizona again with 3 years compared to an expiring contract next season?
If you don't know it was a 1st and two 2nd Rounders, so all of a sudden Chychrun is worth much much more?
Very odd way of thinking don't you think.

11 Apr 2024 22:03:07
Chychrun with one year left is much more valuable than the three players with zero years left.
Ottawa has their own RFA's to work on this summer.
What value does 4th liner dewar have to ottawa? (McEwen still under contract, kastelic still under contract, affordable RFA's kelly and katchouk)
What about bottom pair d liljegren? (Hamonic still under contract, zub under contract)
3rd liner NRobertson? (Matthieu joseph still under contract)
Maybe it's an odd way of thinking to you, but how about just keeping your RFA's and ottawa keeps their 3rd? This would make the trade chychrun to the leafs for a 1st. I'm fairly certain this offer won't work for you, because it doesn't heavily favor the leafs.

12 Apr 2024 03:59:00
Facelift39 N
Robertson gives Ottawa another young winger that has proven he can score playing limited minutes, that's why The Sens would want him.
DeWar is better than any of the 4th line forwards you mentioned, isn't Ottawa trying to get better?
Hamonic is in the same class as Liljegren? Ya sure he is in your world.
All the players in my proposal are RFAs not UFAs so they aren't going anywhere.
Again facts are facts Chychrun with 2 extra years on his contract went for a 1st and two 2nd Rounders.
For some reason you believe Chychrun is worth more than his going rate.
So if The Leafs had two 2nd Rounders and Ottawa kept their 3rd Rounder and NRobertson, Liljegren and DeWar were not part of the deal then it's fair?

13 Apr 2024 13:37:45
YES pinball, I would 100% click believable on chychrun to toronto for two 2nd's. I am certainly not trying to convince you or anybody that hamonic is equivalent to liljegren or that Parker kelly is equivalent to NRobertson, my point is that hamonic is under contract and likewise with zub. is ottawa really going to improve by having zub and liljegren in their top 4 on the right side and hamonic on the bottom pair? At forward, stutzle, Tkachuk, giroux, batherson, pinto, norris. would NRobertson be in their top 6? I'm going to go ahead and say no.
Joseph, kastelic, Greig, McEwen under contract for next year in the bottom 6 - I'm not suggesting these players are superior to dewar, I'm sure he's amazing on the leafs 4th line. I'm simply pointing out that they are under contract for next season. So unless ottawa can pull off a trade similar to some of the proposals you make on here, then these players will be taking spots.
To suggest ottawa would give up assets for fringe RFA's is absurd. Why not make a proposal where each of these players is involved in a sign-and-trade? I'm sure teams would be lining up around block. Ridiculous.

18 Apr 2024 22:57:03
I'd do this - puts Toronto in a salary cap bind after next season when Chychrun will want 8 mil per season.

19 Apr 2024 14:15:52
Pinball
Seriously the ratio of likes to dislikes on all of your posts through all these years isn't enough evidence to suggest you know nothing?

When are you going to pay attention to the 31 other teams in this league and what their position is on their players? You come at every trade with the same statement "the Leafs will be looking to do ___".

Assuming Ottawa is even shopping Chychrun, why would they settle for the worst return Toronto can offer just to help a division rival?

And lottery protected 1st round pick is absolutely hilarious, assuming the Leafs might potentially finish bottom 5 with the team they already have plus adding Chychrun?

19 Apr 2024 14:38:11
Adding Chychruns $4.6m would put the Leafs salary at $72.89m for players already signed til next season, out of a possible $87.7m.

You've offered 3 RFAs so there's no salary being sent back to Ottawa, and that's also 2 extra roster spots to fill out on the team.

Which means the Leafs would have $14.81 million left to complete their 22 man roster. They still don't have a starting goalie signed, they'd still need 1 more NHL defenseman, and they'd still need 5 more NHL forwards (10 forwards, 4 defenseman and 1 goalie are already signed for next season. )

$14.81m to sign 7 players, unless the Leafs want to ice AHLers to fill in those gaps which I'm sure you can agree would make them worse than they currently are.

Marner needs and extension, Tavares needs an extension, Knies needs an extension, Woll needs an extension. Oh, and Chychrun will need an extension after next season.

Lastly with this trade the Leafs would have no 1st round picks in the next 2 years which is brutal since they already have no 2nd round picks in the next 2 years. No cap space to extend and keep all the talent already there, and not enough quality prospects to fill in the rest of the gaps.

09 Apr 2024 16:15:10
A proposal if Samsonov is resigned.

Detroit Trades
Seider
3rd Round Pick 2025

Toronto Trades
NRobertson
DeWar
Liljegren
Woll
1st Round Pick 2026

Leafs focus on getting a Top 2 younger Defenceman get's them that in a big way, yes it's a lot to give up but worth the price imo.

Red Wings in that still rebuilding mode and yes trading Seider would be something they wouldn't normally do, but getting that package replaces more than what they have currently.

Thoughts ?

09 Apr 2024 16:34:23
In what world does Steve Yzerman do this deal; cause it sure isn't this one.

We don't have the pieces right now to get a top pairing dman let alone one that is still an RFA at only 23 years old.

It's wishful thinking, but if Trev called Stevie Y with this package he would probably laugh at him and ask where the punch line was.

09 Apr 2024 20:35:07
MG69
So a potential #1 Goaltender, a 22 year old that can score some, Liljegren would be third in scoring on Detroit, a young 4th line Centre/ Winger who is good on the PK plus a 1st Rounder isn't enough for one player of Seider's ability and age plus of course a 3rd Rounder?
This site constantly undervalues Leaf Players, why I don't know but many on here do.
I am not just saying this because I see other posts of much lesser players that people over value, so the opposite imo.

09 Apr 2024 23:42:09
I'm a Leafs fan man. This isn't an undervalue, it's reality.

Like you already said, Detroit is rebuilding so why would they trade a player who fits that rebuild timeline and would be a top dman on most NHL teams?

Robertson doesn't even crack their top 9. He's not taking a spot from Debrincat, Perron, or Fabbri on the LW. And he's not taking a spot at centre from Compher or Copp. So he'd be on the 4th line there which as we have seen doesn't work well.

You keep referring to scoring like that's all that matters. Lily isn't consistent on the defensive side of things at all. Has great games and then has games where he's making some awful mistakes in our own zone. Could he still turn into a top 4 dman, maybe. But Detroit has ASP coming down the pipeline who looks to be stud on the backend.

Dewar is exactly what you said a 4th liner who kills penalties well. He's been great for us and I hope he stays a member of the Leafs going forward. But in terms of this trade he doesn't move the needle much at all.

Woll could be a #1 goalie. But since his return he has looked very shaky. Numerous games now that he has let the first shot in. I hope he returns to form and I hope it's on the Leafs. But as of right now, based on his play he doesn't move the needle much either.

As I have stated before our prospect pool is filled with guys hitting that 22-23 age where not a single one has been able to compete for a roster spot. Add another prospect to the pool that we can either develop for ourselves or use down the road as a part of a trade for a bigger fish.

I can appreciate you wanting us to get better sooner rather than later. But other teams are not going to make quantity over quality deals just for our sake.

10 Apr 2024 01:24:46
Too funny.

10 Apr 2024 14:23:16
whoever clicked believable on this is has to be trolling. in no universe does this trade happen or is realistic.

10 Apr 2024 20:27:28
Read the feedback Pinball, your fellow leaf fans think this is unrealistic. Accept the feedback and adjust like anyone else would do.

11 Apr 2024 02:35:18
MG69 nailed it! ? ?.

15 Apr 2024 17:48:44
Before this trade, Detroit has only 1 quality RH defensenan. After, they have 0. No thank you.

19 Apr 2024 15:27:42
Hi Mr. Yzerman, I hope this letter finds you well.

My name is pinball. The Make A Wish foundation has granted me one wish and I'm using it to be GM of the Leafs for one day. My one and only wish is to see the Leafs win 7 playoff games instead of 6, and I think you can help me make this possible.

Would you please trade me your best defenseman Moritz Seider in exchange for 4 RFAs that I don't think can win with our team? If that's not enough, I'll even give you our 2026 1st round pick since I don't think it's worth much to the Leafs.

If you could please help me out I'd really appreciate it.

P. S. I love you.

19 Apr 2024 14:41:17
Seider isn't on the trade block and if you called Yzerman with this offer, he would personally drive up to Toronto just to spit in your face and then drive back to Detroit laughing the whole way.

Get it through your head the league isn't operating with 31 other NHL teams that are here to help Toronto with charity trades because of their own cap situation.

You could offer Marner and a 2026 1st rounder the answer would still be no.

19 Apr 2024 14:55:14
"Hi Steve Yzerman, my name is pinball. The Make A Wish foundation chose me this month because I only have 3 months left to live. My one wish is to see the Leafs win 7 playoff games instead of 6. Would you please trade your best player for 4 RFAs? I'll even give you a 2026 1st rounder because I won't be alive to see who gets drafted anyway. P. S. I love you"

07 Apr 2024 15:38:44
Islanders trade Ryan Pulock, Samuel Bolduc and a 1st round pick

Toronto trades Conor Timmins and Mitvh Marner(4 million retained)

07 Apr 2024 20:48:24
So, the Islanders give up the most valuable piece and somehow and a 1st for one year of Marner?

A trade needs to work for both teams. Not just heavily favour Toronto.

07 Apr 2024 21:37:48
Somehow add a first.

08 Apr 2024 14:22:31
You may be right about value, Leafs can add a 2nd or something.

I am not a Leafs fan, but thought something like this works for both teams, Islanders badly need another player to provide offensive production, while Leafs badly need a player on defense.
Me bad for not considering length of contracts on these players.

08 Apr 2024 22:05:59
Yeah Marner is expensive but to say he has less value than Pulock who is probably similar to Rielly in value is in my opinion either bias or a very stupid opinion. Maybe 5 RWs in the NHL better than Marner but I’d put him 4th (Pasta, Rantanen, Kucherov) and probably 50 dman better than Pulock.

Zero comment on the deal just saying Marner absolutely holds more value then Pulock.

09 Apr 2024 13:47:18
I can see you thinking that one year of a complimentary winger would be as valuable and would get you a top pairing RHD with term on a good contract VBBB and it's absolutely hilarious.

You have to take off the blue and white glasses once and a while and look at it without bias. It's completely unrealistic.

09 Apr 2024 15:09:04
He's not wrong Marcus. Coming from a Wings fan, Marner is one of the top 5 right wingers in the NHL.

Without discussing the trade proposal and discussing value alone, I'd put Marners trade value at a higher value than Pulocks, the factor being that $6.9 million for 1 year with the suggested $4m retention.

09 Apr 2024 15:25:24
I can't see it DrwDave. If Marner had more years on his contract and his contact was reasonable, you could make a case.

But there's no comparable of one year of a winger pulling a top pairing RHD with term on a decent contract, in return.

Pulock is more valuable based on contract and position.

09 Apr 2024 17:46:17
I’d put Kaprizov and Marner around the same value wise with both the same term on there contracts and I’d 100% take Kaprizov over Pulock in a vacuum.

09 Apr 2024 18:49:02
Kaprizov has 2 years remaining after this one, Marner has one. They do not have the same term.

11 Apr 2024 19:47:21
I'd assume any team looking at trading for Marner is asking for a sign and trade to take place or is asking to speak to him before hand to have an extension ready to go.

Assuming the above then the Islanders are adding a pick or two more IMO. Doubt Marner gets moved tho unless he tells Trev outright that I don't want to be here anymore. Suspect an extension gets worked out by the end of the summer.

05 Apr 2024 14:40:55
Toronto Trades
NRobertson
Liljegren
Akhtyamov (KHL)
1st Round Pick 2026 (Lottery Protected)

Washington Trades
Carlson*

*Caps retain 4 million of Carlson's remaining 2 years with an AAV of 2 million.

Leafs will be looking in the off season to get a solid two way defenseman imo, and Carlson checks all the boxes as well as being a veteran player.

Caps are an older team looking to get younger for the future, Carlson has been a top Defenceman for them but it's time to trade him for assets that help for the now and the future and this proposal does that imo.

Thoughts ?

05 Apr 2024 15:53:15
I think Caps would take this. Carlson is good . not the player he was years ago. but the return helps replenish the cupboard.

08 Apr 2024 17:13:02
- Treliving won't be trading 1st rounders like Dubas. He would also probably look for someone younger than 34 to commit assets towards.

- It's hard to imagine an NHL team retaining 4M x 3 seasons. Besides, WSH is all about getting Ovi the record, and winning appears to be secondary. Trading Carlson would undermine that.

08 Apr 2024 21:40:02
Chickenfoot.
Treliving won't be trading 1st Rounders?
Tyler Toffoli and what about Sean Monahan plus a 1st Rounder to Montreal for Future Considerations?
Just to name a few he did not that long ago.
You complain on my posts that I don't address Defense or Goaltending, so I address Defense and still a no iyo.
It's 4 million over 2 years not 4 million a year for 3 years as Carlson only has 2 years left to go after this season.

09 Apr 2024 12:16:58
He's done it before, but as I have previously said our prospect pool isn't that deep. Most of our guys are hitting that 22-23 mark and haven't been remotely good enough to challenge for a roster spot. Continue to add to the prospect pool, add some players in free agency, and focus to when Tavares is off the books or brought back at a team friendly deal. Cap will have gone up and we will have some space to work with to address any lingering concerns and make a very solid team.

10 Apr 2024 20:18:01
PlNBALL:

- stop with the whining and crying when you get predictable feedback. Embarrassing.

- Treliving said he wasn’t trading 1st round picks in Toronto. He’s been a GM in the past, and of course he’s trade them in the past. He recognizes that Toronto has few prospects and picks left and can’t afford to trade them as recklessly as Dubas did.

- good for you to come to the realization that the leafs D needs work. Your trades are still way off, one-sided, homer trades though, and the feedback you receive even from fellow leaf fans confirms that. If you can’t accept the truth that’s on you.

02 Apr 2024 15:26:37
Islanders Trade
Pulock
3rd Round Pick 2025

Leafs Trade
Kampf
Liljegren
1st Round Pick 2026 (Lottery Protected)

Thoughts ?

02 Apr 2024 15:49:54
Oh Pinball.

03 Apr 2024 22:33:43
- I applaud you for recognizing, as the rest of the hockey world does, that the construction of the leafs D needs "attention".

However,

- why would NYI be interested in giving up a D-Man they committed to long-term and granted a NTC? Because the leafs need the help?

- why would NYI take on Kampf's contract at 2.4M x 3 more years? He scores 7 goals a year, and at -4 isn't even a defensively responsible player? Kampf has negative trade value: if you want to move him, you're adding a sweetener and/ or retaining salary.

- Liljegren will be lucky to see the ice in the playoffs. He's a sweetheart who is ill-equipped for the grind of the NHL playoffs. Furthermore, he's an RFA. The more likely scenario is he doesn't get a contract offer from the leafs, and ends up signing for the league minimum wherever he can land a contract.

- the 1st is the only thing of value in this trade, and it's a late first. It's not even close to fair value.

04 Apr 2024 13:31:28
Chickenfoot.
After this season Pulock has 6 years left on his contract at 6,150.000 each year, that is a big contract for Pulock and how good he really is, yes it's a big one for The Leafs as well but they need to improve Defence imo.
Liljegren like Samsonov you rate as no value which is truly ridiculous, as Liljegren would be second in scoring on defense with The NYI with only Dobson ahead of him and Liljegren has no value?
2 years from now you are assuming Toronto is still a top team there are no guarantees that will be true is why I have it as Lottery Protected, so to say it's a late pick is an assumption.
Kampf isn't a desired player but has to be added for Cap Reasons, all teams make trades like this when Cap is involved and he is still an NHL Player not an AHL Player.
We can agree to disagree but you have Pulock rated higher than he really is and a player like Liljegren rated lower in value imo.

04 Apr 2024 15:33:28
Lily is a bottom pairing dman with some offensive upside. Potentially a top 4. His game is just inconsistent and not matured like Pollock's. Pollock has never been an offensive powerhouse from the backend. What he does do is make responsible plays with the puck and blocks a good amount of shots. Him at just over $6mill is a great deal for what he brings. Just isn't enough for the Islanders to be interested and unlikely they want to move him anyways lol.

06 Apr 2024 02:23:58
"Kampf isn't a desired player but has to be added for Cap Reasons, all teams make trades like this when Cap is involved" is a strongly inaccurate statement. I agree with chickenfoot that this is where something tangible should be added. kampf and samsonov were both picked up for free off the UFA scrap heap, I also can't imagine the leafs suddenly opening their wallets for samsonov's extension this summer.

08 Apr 2024 17:19:59
Pinball. all I can say is. good for you to finally recognize the leafs D is a rebuild.

Your plan isn't close to realistic though for reasons already explained.

I'm sure the off-season moves for your team will be as big a shock to your expectations as was the Trade Deadline. It was obvious to everyone but you that the leafs just didn't have the trade capital to make moves remotely close to what you were suggesting.

26 Mar 2024 22:13:47
Anaheim:
W. Nylander RW
N. Robetson RW

Toronto:
L. Carlsson C
T. Zegras RW

27 Mar 2024 10:10:34
I can't see Anaheim giving up on Zegras. and to take Nylander may create havoc on their salary. cap structure evrn though they could probably afford him.

27 Mar 2024 15:56:19
Pretty positive the Ducks want to unload Zegras. He was available at the deadline and likely will be this offseason as well. Nylanders's contract would screw the Ducks in the long run when Carlsson, McTavish, Terry, etc. need new deals.

28 Mar 2024 13:00:44
Zegras might be on the trade block this summer considering the Ducks have an abundance of young talent at forward even without him.

But Ducks fans would riot if Verbeek traded 2 futures for Nylander and Robertson.

Also Nylander has a no movement clause in his new contract and likely wouldn't waive it to be traded to Anaheim.

31 Mar 2024 22:44:33
look at zegras to be traded to nashville. hes what they are looking for offensively.

25 Mar 2024 13:54:30
At The Draft.

Ottawa Trades
BTkachuk
Hamonic
3rd Round Pick 2025*

Toronto Trades
NRobertson
Holmberg
DeWar
Liljegren
Cowan (OHL)
1st Round Pick 2024
1st Round Pick 2026 (Lottery Protected)

*Sens have 2 picks in the 2025 3rd Round, their own and Florida's.
The Leafs will decide which one they want at The 2025 Draft.

This would be a trade proposal of the ages, Ottawa imo would look at this as they are still in a rebuild and getting this much for mostly BTkachuk could help them more for their future than not doing this proposal.
Leafs get a LWinger that brings so much to the table it would be worth trading away that much youth and future to get him, Hamonic gives them also what they need a tough right-handed shooting defenceman.

Thoughts ?

25 Mar 2024 14:48:55
Ottawa won't trade Tkachuk, especially for that horrible offer of 4th line NHLers, boarder line AHLers, unproven Junior players, and late 1st round picks.
Stop already with your daily one sided, pro leaf trade follies.

25 Mar 2024 15:40:46
islandjet1
Besides DeWar who is the 4th liner? and there are no AHLers in my proposal, Easton Cowan just set a record for conservative points in London and that's not a prospect?
Liljegren would be third in Defense scoring so that's garbage as well?
Two 1st Rounders aren't worth anything else according to you.
And Holmberg is a solid Winger/ Centre and will only get better.
Look to trade Brady Tkachuk would be a bold move but what is in my proposal is the opposite of what you just posted as besides DeWar being a 4th liner, nothing else in your view applies at all.

25 Mar 2024 22:12:48
Stop it. Ottawa wouldn't accept and the little cost controlled depth we do have should be held onto.

We are a whole ass year away from being ready to make a legitimate push. We have next to zero draft capital, our goaltending is questionable at best, and we are still missing a very solid RHD.

You overvalue our players like no other man and have no idea the value of other teams' players or their importance to their current team.

25 Mar 2024 23:35:21
Adding Tkachuk would mean $62.355 million out of a possible $87.7 million salary cap will be allocated to 6 players, 5 of which are forwards. (Matthews 13.25, Nylander 11.5, Tavares 11, Marner 10.9, Reilly 7.5 and Tkachuk at 8.205)

$24.645 million left to pay 16 players, one of which would be Samsonov looking for an extension and a raise on his current $3.55m salary.

Toronto doesn't get any closer to a Stanley cup by trading their best prospect and 2 1st round picks for another forward.

26 Mar 2024 13:19:09
DrezDave
16 players to resign?
That number is way off, you might disagree with me which you are entitled to about my proposal, but please post facts not fiction.

26 Mar 2024 13:29:39
He never said we needed to resign them he's saying we have $24.645 mill to fill out 16 roster spots. That's not enough to build a contending team. I'm sure you are seeing Vegas trade away their draft capital and are thinking man we should do that too. The difference is they have guys signed at reasonable cap hits so they have built an absolute powerhouse of a team because of it. They can afford to trade draft picks away cause they are likely 3-4 years away from some key players regressing and can wait to add prospects. We are not.

26 Mar 2024 13:32:55
$10.7 million allocated to Knies, Kampf, Reaves, Mcmann, McCabe, Timmins and Woll.

So that's $73 million out of $87 million committed to 13 players.

$14 million left to sign a starting goalie, 3 NHL caliber defenseman, and 5 other NHL caliber forwards.

You want facts? You can't ice a competitive NHL roster when 84% of your teams salary is allocated to only 13 players, none of which are the starting goalie.

26 Mar 2024 13:39:37
MG69
Leafs for next season have 13 players signed, the max on a roster is 23 players so 23 - 13 is 10 not 16, please explain where the other 6 come in?

26 Mar 2024 13:52:55
DrwDave
Woll is the starter next season not Samsonov, which I believe isn't resigned.

26 Mar 2024 14:10:05
Might as well take 2.2 mill off that Hamonic makes @DrwDave so that number now becomes 11.8 mill for two NHL caliber dmen, 5 other forwards, and I won't even say a starting goalie but another goalie to share starting duties with Will. Either way it's not enough to make a competitive cup team.

26 Mar 2024 14:40:40
Good god man he is saying the rest of the cap left over after you take away the cap hits of Matthews, Tavares, Marner, Nylander, Rielly, and Tkachuk would be used on the remaining roster spots whether they are signed to us or not. He also listed the players that are signed through till next offseason and they eat up $12.9 mill. So now we are at around $11.8 mill for the remaining roster spots from either guys in our system or guys we sign. End of the day we need another NHL level goalie, at least 2 NHL level dmen, and forwards to either be signed or from our system. The number is actually even less as I didn't include Jarnkrok.

28 Mar 2024 11:06:43
Thats alot of quantity with very little quality coming from the leafs, like usual.

31 Mar 2024 11:27:05
"Thanks, I needed a good laugh. " - Steve Staios.

21 Mar 2024 21:03:24
I have an interesting proposal.

Columbus Trades
Laine*

Toronto Trades
Kampf**
Holmberg

*Columbus retains 50% of Laine's remaining contract.

**Columbus would have to be on Kampf's modified no trade clause or he would have to waive it to accept a trade to The Jackets.

Now I know Laine is dealing with mental issues and unless he is ready next season it makes no sense for The Leafs to take this gamble.
Columbus I believe will try to get whatever they can to trade Laine, and this gives them 2 NHLers for Patrick.

Thoughts ?

21 Mar 2024 23:58:57
"The NHL is projecting the salary cap to rise to $87.7 million for next season, Commissioner Gary Bettman said after the Board of Governors meetings concluded Tuesday. " December 5 2023 via NHL. com

Your idea of a solution to Torontos stanley cup drought is to put $58.5 million out of a possible $87.7 million towards 6 players? (Matthews 13.25, Nylander $11.5, Tavares $11, Marner 10.9, Reilly $7.5, and Laine for $4.35)

Are they going to pay the starting goalie in timbits?

22 Mar 2024 00:04:02
I wish you'd get locked out of your own account so I could finally stop reading these proposals.

If Laine is such a lost cause for Columbus, why would Toronto need him?

Im sure an overhyped sniper with "mental issues" is just what 99.9% of Leafs fans have been waiting for Treliving to trade for.

22 Mar 2024 12:12:10
@DrwDave I've just come to the conclusion that he bases his idea on what the Leafs need on what works on NHL 24. This idea that we can continue to pay our forwards a king's ransom, not address the actual needs of the team, and expect a different result is getting old.

22 Mar 2024 19:00:36
That Tavares contract will be off the books next offseason.

23 Mar 2024 00:17:01
Laine at 4.35M wouldn’t be an issue at all? Heck no from Columbus.

25 Mar 2024 11:28:55
Makes perfect sense. add another one-dimensional, formerly offensive player, to a lineup in clear need for help on the back end.

I agree with DrwDave that it would be a blessing to have Pinball locked out of his account. The compulsive posting of garbage got old a loooooooong time ago.

25 Mar 2024 16:24:01
It doesn’t even matter how your team is made up, if you can add Laine at 4.35M you do it.

26 Mar 2024 08:30:22
I have read this proposal several times now, still can't find the interesting part.

21 Mar 2024 20:37:18
Arizona Trades
Durzi

Toronto Trades
NRobertson
Liljegren
Villeneuve (AHL)

Thoughts ?

19 Mar 2024 16:54:23
Blues Trade
Buchnevich*
3rd Round Pick 2024 (NYR Pick)

Leafs Trade
Holmberg
Kampf**
1st Round Pick 2024

*Blues retain 50% of Buchnevich's expiring contract.

**Kampf will have to waive his modified no trade clause if The Blues aren't part of clause.

Thoughts ?

19 Mar 2024 19:55:19
hi. St. Louis? wanna trade 2 of your quality players for a bag of nothing? No? okay. I'll try somewhere else.

19 Mar 2024 23:20:51
2 of St. Louis Blues quality players balsam8?
Buchnevich agreed is a top forward on an expiring contract next season, and The Blues tried trading him at the deadline retaining 50% of his contract, the other quality player is the 3rd Rounder?
Leafs Players are a bag of nothing including a 1st Rounder?
Sorry you aren't making any sense at all imo.

20 Mar 2024 12:05:52
He's referring to the trade below. But man two fourth liners and a 1st are not getting a top 6 winger and a third. It just isn't happening. We don't need help upfront man, we really truly do not. We need stability in net and some stability on the back end. Like vbbb has said before once Tavares is off the books and is either brought back on a Spezza/ Gio deal or walks that is when we are going to really be competitive. Roughly $9mill to add a good piece or two that will push us over the top. We need to use the little draft capital we do have to replenish our prospect pool. Alot of our prospects are hitting that 23-24 age and most haven't been good enough to compete for a roster spot. And because of that their value in a trade isn't going to be much.

20 Mar 2024 21:14:01
Buchnevich will get St. Louis a much better return than this. There's no rush when they have him for another year.

Toronto also doesn't solve any of their issues with this trade. They have too much cap space tied up on forwards, very few prospects, and even fewer draft picks to build their prospect pipeline.

20 Mar 2024 21:17:06
Even if the Leafs could somehow convince St. Louis to retain 50% salary on Buch, which with this package they cant, that $2.9m would still mean Toronto is using almost $50 million of their team salary to pay 5 forwards.

Because you're a Leafs fan, I have to assume you already know using more than half the teams salary on forwards is not going to win them a cup. right?

21 Mar 2024 16:22:29
Absolutely brutal.

Pinball, even your fellow leaf fans think your trades make no sense, yet you resist everyone's feedback.

Your pre-trade deadline trade ideas were waaaaaay off, and now you're fixated on some version of a trade with STL that's so far off it's a complete waste of everyone's time.

24 Mar 2024 22:27:06
Blues may get a sign and trade for buch at draft.

18 Mar 2024 14:47:49
At The Draft.

Blues Trade
Buchnevich*
Parayko

Leafs Trade
Holmberg
Kampf**
Villeneuve (AHL)
1st Round Pick 2024
5th Round Pick 2024***

*Blues retain 50% of Buchnevich's expiring contract.

**Kampf would have to waive his modified no trade clause.

***Leafs have 3 5th Round Picks in the 2024 Draft, Blues get to choose which one they want.

Treliving I believe will be looking to get bigger and tougher on Defense as well adding a Top Winger for the top 6.

St.Louis might bite at this proposal as it will give them some youth and draft picks minus Kampf of course as he would be a Cap Dump.

Thoughts ?

19 Mar 2024 01:42:19
People know Leafs are desperate to win with the "Core 4". To get better players, Cowen, Mitten are gonna be included. Your 1st is a late 20's the rest is meh. kinda blah. I think if Leafs don't win this year, the window is closed.

19 Mar 2024 01:43:32
Unless Woll becomes upper echelon goalie.

19 Mar 2024 02:31:17
That doesnt get you parayko or buch by itself.

19 Mar 2024 17:09:50
Once the Tavares contract expires and he signs a league minimum contract ( Jason Spezza/ gio like ) then the leafs window truly opens.

20 Mar 2024 21:07:07
Adding another forward won't change the outcome with the Toronto Maple Leafs

Trading another 1st round pick won't change the outcome with the Toronto Maple Leafs

Sit still and stock up some prospects. They need to balance the books and get Marner signed before they can figure out the rest.

2025-26 they'll be back better, until then the Leafs need to sit and their fans need to chill.

12 Mar 2024 13:30:05
At The Draft.

Calgary Trades
Huberdeau*

Toronto Trades
Kokkonen (AHL)
1st Round Pick 2024
1st Round Pick 2026

*Flames retain 1.5 million a year of Huberdeau's remaining contract.

Leafs will have flexibility Cap wise after this season and a trade proposal like this is something both teams might look at, Huberdeau hasn't worked out in Calgary for whatever reason but he is still a Top 6 LWinger imo regardless of his stats the last few years.

Thoughts ?

12 Mar 2024 17:55:58
Calgary takes this offer in a heartbeat this would be an absolute fleecing by Conroy.

Also adding another forward at $9m for 7 more years is not the answer for the Leafs lack of success, you're a Leafs fan so I would assume you already know having more than half the team salary locked up on 5 forwards isn't going to win a cup.

12 Mar 2024 17:58:12
By the way doing this trade would mean Tavares is gone, and after resigning Marner there will be no cap space for Knies, or to fix any of the issues with defense.

Once again, you're a Leafs fan so I'm assuming you know the Leafs need to solve their issues with defense.

12 Mar 2024 19:12:34
Man what lol. Even at 10 million no one is taking Huberdeau especially not the leafs.

12 Mar 2024 20:03:05
Stop this nonsense and delusion. You're really just all for having zero and I mean ZERO depth and not addressing our defense what so ever. Conroy would take this deal in a heartbeat and we would be the laughing stock of the league for paying 6 players north of $9mill next year and expecting to win.

12 Mar 2024 21:51:57
Unfortunately for the Flames and Conroy, they are stuck with this contract. I cant see any GM in the league taking this on.

13 Mar 2024 12:27:11
The scales have tipped. Pinball is now a Calgary fan by the looks of this post.

14 Mar 2024 13:14:26
- Pinball, you are lucky you're not the GM of your beloved leafs.

- I'm not sure how you can possibly ignore your D in favour of trades that mostly target forwards.

- If you watch the playoffs closely this year you will see that teams that build depth in all positions are the ones that are successful.

- To this end, cap management is essential, which means intelligent drafting and development.

- Your team has only 4 of their 12 picks in the first 4 rounds of the next 3 drafts. and you want to trade 2 more of them?

- Teams can't consistently trade away as many picks as the leafs do without it impacting their lineup. Dubas failed, and Treliving did the right thing hanging on to his 2 remaining first round picks.

- Teams need players on cheap ELC's making contributions, especially teams that have too many 10M+ salaries.

- Watch the playoffs and see what successful teams do to become winners. It will help you to create more realistic and readable posts.

08 Mar 2024 13:34:08
Blues Trade
Buchnevich*
Parayko
Blais
3rd Round Pick 2024 (NYR Pick)

Leafs Trade
Brodie
Liljegren
Kampf
NRobertson (AHL)
1st Round Pick 2024
1st Round Pick 2026 (Lottery Protected)

*Blues retain 50% of Buchnevich's remaining contract.

If Toronto really wants to make a splash and go for it this year adding these 3 players will help huge imo.

Thoughts ?

08 Mar 2024 19:03:42
- Puts leaves over the cap.

- Doug Armstrong is a credible GM. Give him a little credit. No way he gives up those players for this kind of package.

08 Mar 2024 17:17:22
Thats aweful completly aweful.

08 Mar 2024 17:29:09
Liljgren
Nemila
1st 2024
1st 2025
Minten
2nd 2024.

08 Mar 2024 22:18:23
Honestly, tor just doesn't have what it takes to make that trade not at all.

19 Mar 2024 23:20:29
If you were to replace Lili with someone else I’d do that @redwing1 I don’t think teams are prepared to give up what’d you’d expect for Paryanko and Buch not that you overate them just that teams generally don’t pay as much as people expect in those types of deals. I fully think Paryanko is close to being on par with Morgan Rielly.

06 Mar 2024 20:44:37
Blues Trade
Parayko

Leafs Trade
Brodie
Timmons
1st Round Pick 2024 or 2026 (STL choice at this upcoming draft)

If Treliving wants to make a serious splash on Defense this is the type of trade he should make, is it enough to get Parayko is the biggest question.

Thoughts ?

07 Mar 2024 22:17:12
- is the reality of the leafs trade deadline moves registering with you in any way Pinball?

- Treliving inherited years of mismanagement from Dubas. The lineup is top-heavy and years of trading picks have left few real prospects and only 3/ 9 picks for the next 3 years’ first 3 rounds of the draft.

- Treliving was always going to be limited in what he could do at the deadline. Everyone seems to understand that.

- given what he inherited, I’d say Treliving has done some decent bargain bin shopping to address his back end needs.

- Edmundson is battling a variety of physical ailments, but he will play smartly within his limitations and make the front of the net unpleasant for opponents.

- Boosh will be a good add for the leafs back end too. Neither he nor Eddy cost much in assets, and they addressed the leafs’ most obvious needs: defensive depth. (As many here have pointed out to you. )

- if the feedback to your one-sided trades that mostly focused on adding forwards doesn’t register with you, perhaps the reality of this trade deadline’s moves and asset costs will.

09 Mar 2024 11:33:18
Treliving improved the team without breaking the bank. Dewar can slot in at any forward position, kill penalties, physical for his size. Boosh and Edmundson add that snarl on the backend.

This wasn't the year to big game hunt. We didn't have the prospect depth or the draft capital that other teams were working with. Hell, we don't have a draft pick in 2025 until the 5th round. This group is going to have to come together down the stretch; continue playing with a bit of snarl and a chip on their shoulder; and hopefully one of the goalies gets hot at the right time.

06 Mar 2024 20:18:08
To Toronto- Parayko and Neighbours

To Blues - Brodie, Minten, Niemela and 2024 first

blues could then flip Brodie for a pick with some retention.

07 Mar 2024 12:57:29
I watched the Blues a couple days after making a Parayko trade and he’s still a horse. the contract is a little scary but he’s solid out there.
Neighbours was also one of the best Blues players out there, I’m guessing he’s next to untouchable.

07 Mar 2024 13:22:36
That doesnt get you parayko not at all. Neighbors isn't for sale. Why would anyone do that?

06 Mar 2024 19:57:50
J. Edmunsson (50% retained) to Oilers for B. Stonehouse & 3rd round pick.

D. Savard (50% retained) to Leafs for N. Robertson & M. Ellis.

07 Mar 2024 05:03:36
are you a Leafs fan by any chance? cause that heavily favours the Leafs

07 Mar 2024 20:36:54
Looks like Edmundson went for a 3rd & 50% retained without the journeyman included. But it didn’t favour the Oilers…lol

Savard makes millions per year by the way.

07 Mar 2024 22:24:21
Savard for the pair of 5’ 9” nobodies?

And 50% retained for this year and next without compensation?

Get real man.

??.

06 Mar 2024 15:48:21
Pittsburgh Trades
RSmith*

Toronto Trades
Gregor
NRobertson (AHL)
3rd Round Pick 2024 (NYI Pick)

*Pens retain 50% of RSmith's remaining contract.

Dubas will be trading age for youth as well as an obvious upcoming UFA by Friday, some might argue Pittsburgh would say no to this proposal, imo this is about right.

Leafs solidify the third line adding RSmith and strength the 4th line moving Jarnkrok with Holmberg and Kampf with Reaves being the 13th forward for any future rough games like The Rangers game.

Thoughts ?

06 Mar 2024 18:35:57
After seeing Senko go for a 3rd and 4th I’d imagine you could drop Robertson from the deal.

06 Mar 2024 20:29:21
Not needed for Toronto.

06 Mar 2024 22:00:14
The Senko trade definitely doesn't set the price for top 6 players value. He had a full NTC. He ultimately got to decide where he went and because of that tied Ottawa's hands as to what they could acquire. They opted to at least get something for him rather than him leaving for nothing at the end of the year. Florida got a steal and bolstered and already very strong lineup even more.

07 Mar 2024 22:25:40
The leafs need D, and have smartly made modest deals for D.

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