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20 Aug 2019 18:33:02
Marner and his camp have contacted the zurich Lions of the Swiss elite league overseas as an option if he doesn’t have a contract before the start of the season.
Source: Rich Dhaliwal of Sportnet.

Do they know Dubas will give in like he did Mathews, Nylander and Tavares?

Marner has lead the team in scoring the last two seasons.
Mathews last season: 73P, $11.6M.
Tavares last season: 88P, $11M.
Marner last season: 94P.

Good move from Marner and his camp? Let me know.

For the record, I haven’t stated any opinion, just questions, sorry Leafs17 don’t get upset.

20 Aug 2019 19:28:12
Dubas caved on Tavares? What? He turned down more from San Jose to come home. Easiest day Dubas has had at work.

You keep talking (trolling) about the Leafs "cap problems" but at the end of the day the Oilers and Leafs are both going to spend close to the cap ceiling.

One of those teams is a lock for the playoffs and a legitimate cup contender. The other is most certainly not.

But the Leafs have cap problems? LOL what a goof.

Dubas out here dunking on GM's and you're just seething with jealousy HAHAHA.

20 Aug 2019 20:10:47
If a team is over the cap by 3 million and have a guy to sign that wants 11+ mil, they don't have cap problems? Interesting.

20 Aug 2019 20:10:52
Doesn't even justify a response.

19 Aug 2019 20:04:42
Toronto Trades
4th Round Pick 2020

Ottawa Trades
LBrown (AHL)
1st Round Pick 2020

Ottawa does have the Cap Space to make this Trade and it fixes the Leafs Cap, BTkachuk gives them strength on LWing and Bracco is given a spot alongside Tavares where he will thrive.


19 Aug 2019 20:50:36
No team will make a trade for marner!! Especially if he wants that terrible 3 year day. Nobodys going to give that up for him, the only value he has is too toronto

19 Aug 2019 22:30:05
Marner is a Top Forward for any team to say nobody wants Marner is a stretch, Ottawa becomes better right away having Marner and they do have the Cap Space, you mean you don't think Sen Fans wouldn't be excited landing Marner? it's the Cap Space issue for the Leafs is why I make any proposal for Marner Sean Moneyhands.

19 Aug 2019 22:40:37
Yeah but teams have a salary cap. That trade has a lot going to leafs with only marner coming back.

20 Aug 2019 00:04:33
Ottawa laughs.

20 Aug 2019 00:48:41
Ottawa will not give up that much for marner. I think what Moneyhands means, is that Marner won't get the return Toronto wants, because everyone (including Ottawa) will be looking at the cap hit he wants. The senators paying marner 10mil+ is not happening soon, as they are not spenders.

If you want to trade Marner, it'll have to be a sign and trade, which means Toronto may as well sign him and keep him.

20 Aug 2019 03:31:49
Very, and I mean very small amount of teams are interested in Marner.
After free agency, 90% of teams already have their roster set and have a plan for their salary cap.
To trade for Marner the team would need to be:
A) A good team (you wouldn’t trade for Marner if you’re rebuilding)
B) Have 12M + in cap space.

20 Aug 2019 03:41:11
Another huge overvaluing of Marner.

20 Aug 2019 09:45:12
Monkeyful that's exactly what i meant. Was just too irritated to explain myself

20 Aug 2019 12:36:20
Marner is only 2nd to McDavid in overall scoring last year and not many teams want Marner?
Anyone who says no Teams want Marner are out to lunch, heard 2 Teams had an offer sheet out there that would have made him the highest paid player in the NHL.
Ottawa is getting a 22yr old Super Star Player not a declining 32yr old.
Marner would fit in perfectly in the Sens rebuilding sooner than later.
I only put this out there "if" the Leafs decided to Trade Marner it would be similar to this.
Leafs unloaded Zaitsev on Ottawa Traded Kadri and Rosen for Kerfoot and Barrie and got Colorado to take on half of Barrie's Contract.
Never say never when it comes to trades in the NHL.

20 Aug 2019 17:11:29
Wait, Marner was second in scoring to McDavid pinball? Are we looking at the same league? I see Kane, Draisaitl, Marchand, Crosby, MacKinnon, Gaudreau, Stamkos and Barkov above Marner in points. And then you have Kucherov who was above all of them including McDavid.

I know your obsession with Marner has made you and Vb crazy, but come on, it’s getting a little wild if your going to start throwing out false statements like that.

20 Aug 2019 17:22:07
Hey pin ball do you actually look at stats or just make sheet up. Also I rather have 4 or 5 centers who scored less than he did than marner

1) kucherov 41G 87A 128P +24
2) Mcdavid 41G 75A 116P +3
3) Pkane 44G 66A 110P +2
4) Drais 50G 55A 105P +2
5) marchand 36G 64A 100P +15
6) Crosby 35G 65A 100P +18
7) Mackinon 41G 58A 99P +20
8) Gaudreau 36G 58A 99P +18
9) stamkos 45G 53A 98P +4
10) Barkov 35G 61A 96P -3

11) Marner 26G 68A 94Pts
12) point 41G 51A 92pts.

18 Aug 2019 22:35:04
M. Marner RW
M. Marincin D
3rd 2020

P.L. Dubois LW
Z. Werenski D
1st 2020
2nd 2020

19 Aug 2019 04:29:15
Marner doesn’t get Dubois, Werenski AND a first LOL, like WHAT?!

19 Aug 2019 08:36:49
Incredibly bad for CBJ. Take the picks out and CBJ still easily declines.
Try Dubois OR Werenski.

19 Aug 2019 11:20:08
CLB laughs.

19 Aug 2019 12:44:24
Ok these marner trades are getting very annoying

19 Aug 2019 19:07:07
I've never seen anything like this.
Columbus gives up 90% of their most valuable pieces in exchange for a player that isn't even signed.

18 Aug 2019 21:29:41


Not an actual offer just showing what I think is the difference in value between Drai and Marner. A solid young top 4 D and a C+ prospect

18 Aug 2019 21:50:37
That's a pretty solid overvaluing of Draisaitl.

19 Aug 2019 00:46:51
think you'd have to add at least a 1st from toronto, if not 1st and another prospect/ player.

19 Aug 2019 00:59:54
Yeah sure the Guy just had most goals in nhl last year (more real goals than ovi)

50g goals and 100p and that is overvalue.

19 Aug 2019 05:35:53
I’ll defend my Oilers 9/ 10 times, but yes, this is an over value lol.

19 Aug 2019 11:21:30
I wouldn’t want anything to do with Marner because of what he’s asking for for a contract. If he was making $8.5M for the next 7 years then I would maybe consider.

14 Aug 2019 05:00:06
Toronto- marner, jake muzzin 2020 6th, 2021 4th

Philly- provorov, justin braun, tyler pitlick, 2021 1st.

14 Aug 2019 06:27:16
Why do the Flyers do this?
Provorov is their building block d-man and stud defenceman.
Flyers are also stacked on forward depth.
They don't need Marner whatsoever.

Also, value wise, Toronto loses this.
Marner>/ =Provorov
Muzzin >> Braun
4th = Pitlick
1st > 6th

Just bad all around man.

14 Aug 2019 14:01:12
Yet Marner is “overrated”.

14 Aug 2019 16:16:03
Marner is defiantly overated by leaf fans. Could you imagine the haul if he was a center and put up 70 80 pts.

14 Aug 2019 21:10:25
Love all the overated talk. redwing you are famously one of the worst. Marner is a top 5-10 winger in the game with room to grow.

14 Aug 2019 22:30:50
He is not when I get home i will post. I think he is like 14th.

15 Aug 2019 01:20:47
How many wingers got 94 points last year, plays penalty kill rather well and plays the full length of the ice. Far better than the player you have so much love for Tarasenko.

15 Aug 2019 01:29:16
NHL. com has him rated at #5. And I know it's more for fantasy purposes but dobber has him rated the 8th best skater in the league.

15 Aug 2019 03:33:13
That’s Tarasenko they have at 14 colt. Marner is 5. All this bickering over these young players worth is getting comical. I forgot how petty people get in the off season. Most of the top players in the game could move up or down that list in a few months. Tarasenko won the cup at least, that’s more than most of these players can say. I didn’t mean to pump your tires Colt, we know you can do that on your own.

15 Aug 2019 11:42:47
Hey at least tarasenko gets goals 35-40 when marner hits 35 let me know. Fyi marner has a lot of secondary assists. Also Toronto media is even saying he is overated.

15 Aug 2019 13:47:41
Holy crap tankie. I was praising Tarasenko and you’re still going to bash Marner? I understand that every leaf player is overrated and they don’t become stars until they leave the blue and white. I bet Bozak is the best 3c in the game now right? I’m sure we’ll be hearing how good Borgman is before long.

15 Aug 2019 14:08:48
Toronto media started calling him overrated once he demanded a big contract lmao.

15 Aug 2019 14:38:08
Bozak is a pretty sick 3C I’ll give the blues that. But jeez let me know when Taresanko ever cracks 75 points Nylander has similar production to Taresanko lol.

15 Aug 2019 16:09:57
That's your argument Colt. really. they are saying he's overrated based on the reported contract demand. If you would rather a one dimensional player over a player who is good at any point in any situation then so be it. There is no argument to Tarasenko being better. Give me a guy who gets more points, plays PK and is very responsible at every point in a game any day.

15 Aug 2019 16:15:29
I never said he was better. I like marner a lot. I prefer to have tarasenko. He has a deadly shot. Wouldn't be surprised if he hits 40+ this year. Also vb he has hit 75 points. Lol

73, 74, 75 point seasons and those where with lehtera as his center. He had a big injury 17-18 towards end and into 18-19 still got 65+ points 30+ goals. This. Year I think he will hit 40+ goals 80+ points with schenn and Schwartz.

Also if I'm correct doesn't tarasenko have most goals in playoffs over last 5-10 years. I will look that up not sure. Think I saw it posted by NBC stats.

15 Aug 2019 16:56:51
Vbbvvbv dude seriously nylander has similar tha ts the dumbest thing i have heard in a while nylander has never had more than 22 goals or 61 points let's do tarasenko last 5 years

18/ 19
33g 35a 68p 76gp
17/ 18
33g 33a 66p 80gp
16/ 17
39g 36a 75p 82gp
15/ 16
40g 34a 74p 80gp
14/ 15
37g 36a 73p 77gp

In 70 playoff games he has the following

33g 16a 49pts 70gp

When nylander hits that let me know.

15 Aug 2019 16:59:12
So a kid who gets 68 assists some secondary and 26 goals is not one sided.

Fyi tarasenko plays the 200 ft game scores just slightly more than he assists. I would trade him and his 7.5 for marner and his 11m.

15 Aug 2019 17:27:07
That is so obviously Colt.
Only Colt can say Tarasenko is better than Marner and truly believe he is right and everybody else is wrong.
The dude didn't even crack 70 points in the last two seasons while being on a Stanley Cup winning roster.
Also, I don't understand what you expect Schenn to do for Tarasenko. Schenn is a 55-60 point centre. That's what he has been for his entire career. One season doesn't change that.

15 Aug 2019 17:35:50
**Not to mention he thinks Joel Edmundson is a top pairing defenceman.
The dude never even hit 70 games played in one season and his highest point total is 17 points lol.
I mean, even Jim Vandermeer played 70 games once and hit 20 points in a season, something Edmundson still hasn't accomplished.

15 Aug 2019 19:07:33
I meant to say wouldn't trade him.

Joel Edmonds DoD play top pairing D with petro. Last year he did half of season. I said he is top 4.

Also rating a Dman on points alone is dumb. Parayko got 33 and was one of the best dmen in the playoffs. But I guess he isn't top pairing either.

15 Aug 2019 19:18:33
''They get top pairing Physical LHD can play top pairing minutes. ''
33 is fine for somebody of Parayko's stature. Also, 33 is 1 short of being DOUBLE than the points Edmundson scored.
I'm sure most of us can agree Parayko is a top pairing defenceman.

15 Aug 2019 20:20:21
You said it. He is still a kid. Tarasenko is what he is. A heck of a winger who can get upwards of 40 goals. Marner is a kid who got 94 points. Players don't get goals without someone feeding them the puck most of the time.

15 Aug 2019 20:48:10
Has he played the #1lhd for blues for the majority of the Last 3 years with petro. yes so does that mean he got top pairing minutes. yes.

15 Aug 2019 20:50:06
I've been enjoying reading everything here, been a blast. Was trying to stay out of it, but I couldn't for 2 things.

Bozak is a great 3rd line centre, the leafs wanted him to be a #1 or#2. He was still good, but I believe as 3c he's a perfect fit.

Also, just because edmundson played 1st pair with petro, that doesn't mean very much. With Petro on D and o'Reilly playing C, you can probably have a banana peel as your other D and still it'll look good defensively.

15 Aug 2019 20:50:41
We all agree Parayko is a top pairing D-man. But why are we arguing about Blues players. Colt is a redwings fan now.
Larkin is a cool contract to think about!

15 Aug 2019 21:56:11
I love Bozak. My comment was directed towards a guy that bashed players when they were on the leafs, but would love them on the blues. Borgman will be the next top pair defensemen we hear about. Don’t kid yourself about Lehtera tank, some us were around when you told us he was one of the best set up guys in the league.

16 Aug 2019 00:06:46
I don't bash leaf players specifically just try to bring leaf fans back to reality. To a leafs fan every player prospect is the goat.

16 Aug 2019 04:11:41
Leafs17 I can remember that comment too lol.

16 Aug 2019 04:51:21
LOL @17 i rmbr him saying Lehtera/ Tarasenko would be some next deadly set up and sniper duo, oh boy.

16 Aug 2019 05:51:34
I can’t believe you’re still fighting me on this colt. Which name do you prefer to go by? You were ran off this site by people sick of you running your mouth about every player in the blues organization.

16 Aug 2019 13:02:37
Do you remember the "Shattenkirk Vacation" we got! It was glorious.

17 Aug 2019 17:47:33
Provo is a good dman, but I think the leafs would get better value in the long run by just letting him sign his RFA offer and banking those 4 first rounders.

13 Aug 2019 11:33:29
Toronto Trades
Hollowell (AHL)

Vancouver Trades

Thoughts ?

13 Aug 2019 21:45:14
Still greatly overvaluing Marner. I doubt Van would consider it even in a joking manner.

13 Aug 2019 21:57:03
Pinball, can you please leave Vancouver out of your nightmare inducing proposals?

13 Aug 2019 22:17:35
Pinsball your such a Leaf homer. Dumb trade.

13 Aug 2019 23:14:41
Boeser is 100% not going anywhere. think he will get around 7 to 8 a year. only reason Marner would be traded is cause they can't afford him.

14 Aug 2019 00:45:33
Same trade as yesterday slightly tweaked. Still doesn’t make it any better. The criticisms stay the same.

14 Aug 2019 02:09:32
Terrible for Van.

14 Aug 2019 02:37:31
How come they keep getting worse? Last one was an obvious no and this one is even worse.

17 Aug 2019 17:51:08
Had something realistic going there until Hughes got into the mix.
Try again with something else other than Hughes.

18 Aug 2019 01:35:22
K lose the stupid THOUGHTS?

20 Aug 2019 18:17:20
Hahahhhahahahahahaha omg I can believe this proposal... toronto can keep their issue of signing marner

12 Aug 2019 21:56:17
Toronto: Marner

Vancouver:Boeser,2rd2020, 3rd2020

13 Aug 2019 01:35:17
Vancouver can barely afford Boeser. How could we afford Marner who will want 3-4 mil more?

13 Aug 2019 02:39:25
I think that's fair but really would like to hear both players money demands. I heard marner wants 11mil but haven't heard what boeser is wanting. If it's like 7.5 or 8mil for him would rather keep boeser. Except he has miss like 15 or 20 games the last 2 years each.

13 Aug 2019 02:49:23
I think Marner has more value than Boeser too. How much is debateable. THis trade hurts both teams more than helps. Leafs need a set up man and Vancouver needs goal scorers. Both teams also probably think their own player is the better.

12 Aug 2019 17:13:54
Toronto Trades
Hollowell (AHL/OHL)

Vancouver Trades

Canucks would have to move out some Salary to sign Marner but it could work for both Teams.
Talent wise it's close as a Marner for Boeser isn't enough from Vancouver but adding Hollowell who is a good prospect as well not a throw in for QHughes makes this Trade Proposal work.


12 Aug 2019 18:54:18
What a crazy over payment for Marner.

12 Aug 2019 19:11:55
I can't see Vancouver considering that at all.

12 Aug 2019 20:11:09

13 Aug 2019 01:19:53
Hughes is one of (if not THE) best defensive prospects right now.
His potential is huge and he's expected to be a star in the NHL.
Boeser is well, Boeser.


13 Aug 2019 02:27:18
Swap Marner for Mathews, Sandin And 1st And I still wouldn’t consider Marner is the best U25 winger since Howe.

13 Aug 2019 02:41:44
Why? Canucks would be crazy to do that. Marner and boeser aren't that far apart. Then add one of the best prospects in nhl makes no sense whatsoever.

13 Aug 2019 02:51:10
Again, both teams needs are different and unsatisfied by this move. Vancouver values Boeser’s goal scoring ability more than Marner’s playmaking and the opposite for the Leafs.

13 Aug 2019 17:45:37
Anddd there goes Vbb comparing Marner to Howe

13 Aug 2019 20:26:21
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha. 😂😂😂😂.
Every day. You don’t disappoint Vb. Too funny.

13 Aug 2019 20:50:48
This is terrible, take Quin Hughes out and Vancouver adds a 2rd 2020.

13 Aug 2019 20:51:03
Why doesn’t Vancouver throw in Pettersson while we’re at it?

14 Aug 2019 21:25:52
jagr was a pretty good winger when he was winning cups with pittsburgh before the age of 25, not even saying he was the best since howe. just off the top of my head, how good was Pavel Bure at 25?

15 Aug 2019 20:48:03
hell, even Mike Gartner was more impressive on the wing before the age of 25.

10 Aug 2019 14:37:08
Toronto: Marner


10 Aug 2019 18:15:40
And the Leafs make this trade because?
There isn't even a 1st Round Pick in your Proposal.
You honestly think that gets you Marner?
How about let's switch it up.

Montreal Trades

Toronto Trades

Similar trade the other way.

10 Aug 2019 17:37:10
Pinballs comparative is way way way more lopsided.

10 Aug 2019 17:51:57
If you want Marner you have to start with Kotkiniemi+.

10 Aug 2019 20:07:15
Nobody is going to want Marner if it's going to cost them 11M+ every year AND an arm and a leg just to get his rights.

Say what you want, but an RFA Marner has much less value then when he's signed.

10 Aug 2019 22:54:34
RFAs have more value then even the best of contracts because GMs get the ability to negotiate their terms.

11 Aug 2019 00:10:19
I love how pinball just thinks ahl players are the same as A level prospects and top 9 nhl players. Don’t get me wrong Ik the original trade is not going to get marner but dude? The only guy with value you countered with is hyman. And he and Byron is a wash.

13 Aug 2019 03:11:10
Who said there isn’t even a 1st round pick coming back? Suzuki is far better than a 1st round pick. He’s a virtual lock to make the nhl.

14 Aug 2019 14:54:33
Marner along with Mathews are flashes in the pan. Enough that Toronto has something to offer when the can't even get by The Bruins. we, ll see how the do this year behind the Habs.

09 Aug 2019 23:42:04


10 Aug 2019 03:38:15
The last time the leafs traded a prospect to Boston it bit them in the ass, and continues to bite them in the ass. (By prospects I mean Bracco and Liljgren) .

Two contenders in the same division don’t trade elite players to each other anyway.

10 Aug 2019 16:18:53
Phil Kessel got traded to Leafs from Boston and both teams did good on the trade.

13 Aug 2019 02:44:40
VBisclueless: both team season didn’t do good. Boston won that trade hands down.

13 Aug 2019 03:12:27
Leafs say no. Marner has more value than Pasternak alone imo. Let alone throw in their best forward prospect and their best defense prospect.

09 Aug 2019 23:28:24
Toronto: Marner,Bracco

EDM: Draisailt,Leduc

10 Aug 2019 03:40:12
Well idk who this Leduc guy is but I would assume the Oilers don’t do this.

10 Aug 2019 05:29:35
Draisaitl and Marner are even. Bracco > Leduc.
Leafs don't need Centers, Drais has good chem with McDavid.

No from Leafs & Oilers

10 Aug 2019 06:24:41
Draisaitl and Marner might be about even as players, but one is (or better: will be) making 2-3M less a year. Therefore, Draisaitl's trade value is def higher.

10 Aug 2019 14:31:03
Leduc>Bracco big time.

10 Aug 2019 20:08:26
Who is Leduc?
Leduc is a town 10 minutes from Edmonton.

So Toronto gets property in Alberta and Draisaitl for Marner?

10 Aug 2019 22:56:12
I’d say the value of the town of leduc would be a huge add for the leafs.

11 Aug 2019 04:50:22
I lived in leduc for 2 years lol and north and south edmonton split for 8 years. Lol damn i miss edmonton

11 Aug 2019 18:36:33
Draisaitl definitely has more value than marner. Bracco isn't the difference if Toronto is getting a town.

12 Aug 2019 02:31:52
Leon > Marner. bigger faster, better Passer, better scorer. center. and signed long term. Maybe Hopkins for Marner if Marner accepts 8.5 salary. Only way Marner and Leon trade teams is if it's
Morgan Reilly and Marner for Leon and Russell.

12 Aug 2019 08:31:05
FairTrade4all is back I see.

13 Aug 2019 03:25:30
He meant McLeod. And Edmonton and Leafs both say no for various reasons. And whoever countered with Rielly and Marner for Draisaitl and Russel is nuts. Not a chance Leafs consider that trade.

08 Aug 2019 10:01:08
Toronto: Lilijegreen,Bracco

EDM: Puljujarvi

2 players who hasn't develop has hoped for soo far, but both still has loads of potential. Lilijegreen is younger and a defensemen so his development isn't as worry some as Pul so that's why Toronto only adds a meh prospect. Puljujarvi still has potential to be a 70+ point player but the clock is ticking

08 Aug 2019 11:16:49
Liljgren has about the same value as Puljujarvi at the moment. I would rather keep the right handed defenceman who still has top 4 potential then trade him for a RW that we don’t need and who we will likely play on the fourth line behind Kappy, Nylander, and Marner.

Also Bracco is not just a “meh” prospect. The only reason he wasn’t called up last year is because of the amount of RW depth the leafs had. He is basically a top 6 forward in the NHL already, he just can’t prove it because he won’t get the opportunity.

08 Aug 2019 13:11:48
Bracco a top 6 player in the NHL already? Even if he would of had 100+ point last year in the AHL you cannot guarantee that will translate to the NHL. Atm you can't even say he's a lock at bottom 6 in the NHL bcuz he has not played 1 NHL game.

08 Aug 2019 13:37:53
By the way everyone this is MontrealFinests new account it has been confirmed in the fantasy league so there’s that.

As for trade I wouldn’t do Bracco straight up he’s been getting better every year and was one of the best players in the AHL last year only thing holding him back from making the NHL is being in one of the deepest organizations in the league not to mention he contributes no defence making him impossible to put in a bottom 6 role he has elite hockey sense/ passing vision but a weak shot. I believe he will be a top 6 NHL player someday but as long as the leafs have Marner and Nylander on the RW he will not make the leafs.

Side note (s) - Bracco would be a great fit on the 2nd line RW position in Calgary.

I’d also consider Lilijgren for Puljujarvi but the only thing is the leafs couldn’t give him anytime off the 4th line unless if he was moved to LW or Kappanen is traded. Also that’d be trading from a organizational need for a position the leafs has a surplus of.

08 Aug 2019 14:57:31
Jeremy Bracco is a talented scorer and a good prospect. But currently, that is all he is. There have been plenty of players who were PPG in the AHL but could not transition that to the NHL.
I'm sure that list is in the hundreds.

Also VB, the fact that you said ''he contributes no defence'' is the probably the main reason he isn't in the NHL. AHL is a league where forwards don't really need to back-check.
That's the main reason a player and one of the best AHL defencemen TJ Brennan couldn't crack the NHL. Excellent scorer, horrible defender.

Also, which ones is Finest's new account? None of them have his grammar.

08 Aug 2019 16:30:05
Vbisclules And Bracco isn’t a scorer he’s something like Mitch Marner play wise with the puck. He’s about as good defensively as Nylander better then Semin tho. Also you can’t compare a deffensman who can’t defend to a forward who can’t defend.

08 Aug 2019 19:26:33
Why not lol? Both failed to get to the NHL because of their defence skills. Lack of them.

And there are hundreds of other examples. You Leaf fans are disappointing. You make it hard to be a Canadian hockey fan.

08 Aug 2019 22:00:56
He’s 21 years old lol and has dominated the AHL level he just hasn’t had the opportunity to play there yet I guarantee he’d make the Flames middle 6.

09 Aug 2019 07:01:44
Liljegren for Puljujarvi is more than fair but i feel like Leafs need Liljegren more than Pully

09 Aug 2019 17:36:59
No thanks from Edm, if And when Paul is traded it should be for a decent roster player to plug in now, or a F prospect of equal projection possibly. Not a D prospect. I like Timothy but the Oilers are ok at D prospects with Broberg, Bouchard, Jones, Bear, Samorukov, Legasson, and Persson. Few more I forgot too. With young Klefbom, Larson and Nurse already playing. As much as I like Timothy I don’t want to trade for him for Pup at this time. I hope Pul plays in Europe. Screw him. Lol.

08 Aug 2019 09:23:10
Buffalo Trades
VOlofsson (AHL)
1st Round Pick 2020

Toronto Trades
Timashov (AHL)
2nd Round Pick 2021

I have tweaked my previous Proposals and feel this is as fair for both Teams as possible.
The main issue with the Leafs is Salary Cap and Top Player depth.
Sabres with a few moves will be under the Cap as well.
Even though these 2 Teams are division rivals I do see a fit for many reasons.

08 Aug 2019 14:58:07
Sure, i'll just accept it so I can stop seeing the exact same proposal every other day.

06 Aug 2019 21:45:55


07 Aug 2019 00:21:44
Who is clueless? I think it’s more like VBisclueless is the clueless one. Hamilton has two years left on his contract and doesn’t know how to hit or play defense, Leafs won’t be trading three players, two who are long term assets, for him.

07 Aug 2019 04:16:40
Hockeyfinatic. Liljegren is dog sh**, ceci is dog sh** and Kapanen is decent. Hamilton is worth more than that pathetic excuse of quality

07 Aug 2019 04:42:50
Liljegren is dog****? I know there have been some overvaluations of Leaf players recently, but come on LOL.

07 Aug 2019 06:28:37
Where did you hear Liljegren is crap?
Because 1 or 2 Leaf fans says he is behind on his development?
, defencemen take much longer to develop than forwards.

07 Aug 2019 09:40:39
Liljegren isn't good, Sandin > Liljegren. I've watched him a quite bit. 7th dman in the nhl at best

07 Aug 2019 15:07:01
Riiiiiiight, because it's not like a 20 year old defenceman will improve and develop or anything. You really think if you watched him play when he was 19 means that you have the credibility to say that his potential is a 7th d-man?

Also, I LOVE how you said Sandin > Liljegren as if that proves Liljegren is bad or something. Sandin is one of the better defence prospects in the NHL. Sandin is better than a lot of prospects, saying he's better that Liljegren doesn't mean anything.

Smarten up, come on now.

07 Aug 2019 15:08:57
He’s definitely behind on his development but dog s*** is an overstatement he has elite skating and good defensive abilities he has top 4 potential i'd say he has similar value to Puljujarvi/ A Nylander that being said I wouldn’t lose sleep if seeing him traded and obviously Sandin is better he’s looking like a potential top pairing guy if he continues his development track will probably cap out as the 3rd dman behind Rielly.

As for Hamilton I’d personally wouldn’t want him on leafs unless It was Barrie straight up for him. He’d probably hurt the leafs more then help as they already have Rielly and Barrie as offensive dman.

06 Aug 2019 16:28:05
Still don't think leafs trade him, but

Toronto trades marner

Carolina trades slavin and svechnikov.

06 Aug 2019 16:38:17
Carolina says no. Marner doesn’t have that kind of value.

06 Aug 2019 20:59:37
If you switch Slavin with Pesce, Carolina might go for it.

06 Aug 2019 21:23:09
Vertius. out of curiosity, what type of value do you think Marner has? Top 3-10 winger in the league.

06 Aug 2019 22:32:06
He’s an elite player for sure, one of the best wingers in the league, but at the end of the day, he’s a winger asking 11+, the value just isn’t there, especially when you look at what’s coming back.

What is Svechnikov? I think it’s fair to say he has a minimum of 70 point potential, right? And let's say Marner hits 90 again (because I’m sorry Vb, but no matter how many times you say it, he ain’t getting 130) that’s a difference of 20 points.

Are you really going to sit there and tell me Slavin is only worth a 20 point forward? Hell, even a 30 point player if Svech caps at 60 points. Your going to tell me Slavin is only worth a 3rd liner?

Get out of here. No player, no matter how ‘elite’ they are, will EVER get these stupid values that fans think they should get, especially not A WINGER ASKING 11+.

Get out of here.

07 Aug 2019 00:25:45
Is it really safe to assume Svechnikov is a 70 point player though? Sure didn’t look like it last year. I know he’s still he’s young, but Marner has double the points at the same age. Svechnikov has lots to prove before making an assumption like that. Right now I see Svechnikov is a 35 point player, which is about equal the difference between Marner and Slavin.

07 Aug 2019 02:06:26
Little defensive Vertius? I asked a simple question. I didn't say it was a fair trade did I?

07 Aug 2019 06:46:29
Defensive? I answered the question. not sure what your on about?

07 Aug 2019 07:18:25
@HockeyFanatic: I think so. Svechnikov had extremely good underlying numbers last year. Everything about those stats screams breakout in Year 2. And not like his rookie season was bad, he was around 30G, 40 pt, no?

07 Aug 2019 08:52:20
130-90 is 40 bud. pre school math dog. Svechnikov isn't proven yet to be a 70+ Point player so his value is based on what he could be rather than what he is. Marner is s proven 90 Point player with 100+ potential. I agree that adding Slavin may be too much from carolina but I don’t think it’s that far off. maybe TO adds a decent prospect like bracco or a pic.

07 Aug 2019 08:54:05
LOL most players don’t even play in the NHL at 22 and he already has a 95 point season behind his back and that’s the dumbest evaluation I’ve heard in my life you really think Arizona will Trade Kessel for Pettersson? Kessel had 80 points and Pettersson had 60 that’s a 20 point difference. And no way Pettersson scores 80 points next year in sorry to say vertius that’s a 20 point difference.

News flash Marner had 69 points 2 years ago 25 point difference. 94+25=119 points that’s just mathematical projection a mathematician would conclude the probability of breaking the 115 mark is inevitable in a linear function assuming his statistical development is indeed a true function while which is obviously an irrational way of thinking but it indeed helps credit my argument. As it is the only logical of predicting his projections unless it’s a blatant guess.

07 Aug 2019 09:41:25
With Marner wanting 10m x 3yr bridge deal i'd say that's a hard pass from canes

07 Aug 2019 10:14:50
Wow, ok vbb, Patrick kane had 110 points last year, 76 the year before, with your calculations he'll get 146 points next year? That's very smart. I wish I had your knowledge of math.

07 Aug 2019 14:35:36
lol! you had me at linear function!

07 Aug 2019 15:10:35
LOOOOOOL, Vb’s deduction is great, it is SO f’ing funny how salty he gets when Marner is involved. His reactions are pathetically hilarious.

07 Aug 2019 15:16:31
I love how in your ''functions'' and ''projections'' Marner will never stop developing. Using your very idiotic math, Marner will hit 200 points at one point.
I love how you called your little fact ''irrational'' and then say that it helps your argument. You called your own evidence irrational.
The only thing that backs up your claims is made-up math.
You can't apply the math you have used to a players' development.

07 Aug 2019 16:28:51
Vertius, read your response and tell me if it sounds like your angry because it does to me. If that is you answering a simple question then you have anger issues.

07 Aug 2019 17:27:05
Read my response and tell you if I sound angry? Uh. Or I could just tell you that I’m not since, you know, I’m the one who wrote it and I know how I’m feeling.

Just because you don’t like what I said doesn’t mean I’m somehow angry with the world. If anything, you’re the one who seems to have some issues here.

07 Aug 2019 22:30:48
I said it is an irrational way of thinking but Petterson will never be as good as Matts Sundin let alone Marner.

08 Aug 2019 03:23:41
That's funny same age of 20. Elias puts up 28goals and 38a tha ts 66 points in 71 games on a lesser team. Marner at 20 puts up 61 points in 77 games and only put up 19 goals. Marner is a winger Patterson is a center. So at this point to say Peterson will never be as good is a crap statement. Especially since Patterson is a center good luck arguing that.

08 Aug 2019 09:21:08
I’m just saying a function would suggest that not that it is accurate or even relevant the reality is it is almost certain Marner breaks 100 he’s young and he’s trending upwards. He’s going to make 10+ million because he’s a top 3RW in hockey and he deserves it. Pettersson will probably get 15 million on his next contract taking into account the increase in cap.

08 Aug 2019 09:25:15
Pettersson will never be as good as Sundin let alone Marner? LOL. You already have zero respect from anyone on this site Vb, but man, you just can’t help but dig that hole further.

I stand by what I said before. There is no chance Vb is anything but a troll. There is no way this dude doesn’t come onto this site looking to say stupid sh*t, he’s got to be fishing for reactions because no one can be this clueless.

09 Aug 2019 17:34:48
You can talk to me when Pettersson out produces Marner.

06 Aug 2019 15:41:14
Buffalo Trades
VOlofsson (AHL)
1st Round Pick 2020

Toronto Trades
2nd Round Pick 2021

Sabres move before or after this Proposal would be to package Sheary, Sobotka and CNelson for a 2nd Line Centre, Sabres after Bogosian is put on IR will have enough Cap money to sign Marner and if I am Buffalo I would truly go after Marner.
Leafs no matter how you cut it might have to trade Marner, the Cap once the season starts will weaken them as a whole, I still see them needing a LWinger, a Top RHanded Shooting Defenceman with Marner signed, this Trade Proposal gives them better depth overall, and even after Hyman and Dermott are back they will still have 1.3m extra in Cap Space.

Thoughts ?

06 Aug 2019 16:01:14
Couple of things Pinball.
1. You can't make small tweaks a bunch of times and then expect the trade to work. Have you thought that maybe Marner just isn't a fit for the Sabres? On August 1st you posted almost the exact same trade. Difference being it's a 2nd and not a forth.

2. Also, If I'm Buffalo I wouldn't do this. Reinhart is finally coming into his own in Buffalo and fits perfect. Going to be cheaper than Marner too. I just think Buffalo is giving up too many roster pieces (3) and potentially 4 with that 1st round pick for 1 roster player.

06 Aug 2019 16:22:45
If it comes down to it if the leafs can’t sign Marner they should just buy out Tavares or Mathews. No way Marner should be traded for that.

06 Aug 2019 16:27:00
If buffalo does this, I'm not sure it makes their team better. They're not a superstar short, I think it's depth they need, and great coaching. They're not contenders, just need top make playoffs first.

I think it's same for Toronto. Doesn't make the team better, they have an abundance of forward depth, and scoring. Strong defensive defenseman and a replacement for marner is what they need.

06 Aug 2019 17:37:48
VB - Buy out Tavaras or Mathews? SMH.

06 Aug 2019 18:41:51
TyBa4 the best player in this Trade Proposal is Marner by far, Reinhart isn't that close really, Marner would make Eichel that much better, for the Leafs they have enough Star Players that this Proposal makes them better with added NHL Player depth, it's only my opinion that I post this Trade Proposal plus there is a Cap to think about and the Leafs are at the limit.

06 Aug 2019 22:13:47
Im not saying that Marner isn't the best player in the trade, I'm saying that Buffalo is giving up too many roster pieces.

Would you rather have Marner at like 11M+
Sam Reinhart (22G 43A 65P) {3.6AAV)
Rasmus Ristolainen 24 year old, 6'4 215lbs, right shot, 40+ point defenceman on a great deal (5.4M for 3 years)
Victor Olofsson (B) level prospect, PPG in the AHL and has the potential to be scoring top 6 winger
a 1st round pick which will most likely turn into a roster player (at least top 6 forward or top 4 D-man) for your franchise for many years.

I would personally take great scoring depth players (both played top line minutes respectively) than Marner.

07 Aug 2019 00:29:06
Take out Ristolainen and add Samuelson and it might be a little more closer. Of course, Montour would be the best option, but Leafs would need to add Dermott.

07 Aug 2019 08:51:47
For arguments sakes say Dahlin is a RFA wanting big bucks and he is an elite Defenceman in 3yrs TyBa4 and you are the Leafs, wouldn't you offer Kerfoot, Rielly, Bracco and a 1st Round Pick for Dahlin, SWilson and a 2nd Round Pick?
It's similar to what I Proposed.

07 Aug 2019 15:16:19
No because he’s biased and is against the leafs.

05 Aug 2019 19:07:13


05 Aug 2019 19:16:29
Edmonton doesn’t even have the cap space to do this.
I’m pretty sure they need to DOUBLE the cap space to get Nylander.

Also, Nylander > Puljujarvi.
Puljujärvi brought his own value down by acting like a little entitled b*tch.

05 Aug 2019 19:20:27
Can the Oilers even afford Nylander?

05 Aug 2019 19:43:19
Lol. not even close.

05 Aug 2019 21:12:14
If Dumbas retains %70. Sure. Lol.

05 Aug 2019 22:27:33
HAHAHA. You want an elite forward for a bust? Give me a break.

05 Aug 2019 22:35:44
You must mean.

Chicago: Nylander
Edmonton: Puljujarvi.

06 Aug 2019 00:33:52
Who is the elite forward?

06 Aug 2019 08:32:40
No elite forward vbb, trick question. One guy who sat out to get overpaid and another who tried to threaten to go back to Europe and failed, 1 will get a fair contract.

06 Aug 2019 18:18:03
The most leaf I meant. Guess so used to vbb saying that stuff my brain just wrote it, haha.

06 Aug 2019 21:02:13
It will be so amazing to rub it in your faces when Nylander has 70+ points this year.

06 Aug 2019 21:41:00
I’m going to cry if Nylander doesn’t score 70 tho.

05 Aug 2019 16:55:20
Toronto Trades

Vancouver Trades

Canucks will have to unload Eriksson like the Leafs unloaded Marleau to sign Marner but see a fit for both Teams.

Thoughts ?

05 Aug 2019 16:16:05
The Canucks do not have to unload Eriksson. We have 5 mil in cap space right now, when we send two players to the AHL at the start of the year we will be a just over 7 which is what Boeser wants AAV, we can sign Boeser without trading Eriksson. And this doesn’t even mention the fact that Roussel is going on LTIR when the season starts which will free up another 4 mil.

The Canucks are NOT in a cap crunch and we do NOT need to trade Eriksson. And, we are definitely not doing that gift for Toronto. You can keep Marner and his 11+ mil contract or you can trade him for under market value, those are your openly two options.

As far as your trade itself? Trash. The difference between Boeser and Marner is NO WHERE NEAR a blue chip D prospect like Hughes. Keep dreaming.

Do us all a favour and stick with your AHL’ers for Parise at half retained Pinball, at least those are less garbage than this.

05 Aug 2019 21:12:34
Lol. Vancouver laughs.

05 Aug 2019 22:28:11
Leafs have Tavares and Matthews, we don’t really need another goal scorer.

05 Aug 2019 23:46:48
LOL the best player in Leafs history for that. You all will still all be hating on Marner after he scores 130 next season.

06 Aug 2019 00:47:54
Obviously not 130 goals points I meant.

06 Aug 2019 03:02:09
130pts? Vbb you need to chill

06 Aug 2019 03:09:23
Vbb straight disrespect to sundin or keon. you're really young and dumb

06 Aug 2019 08:12:24
I’m 100% sure that Vb is a pure troll. There’s no way someone can be this delusional every day.

06 Aug 2019 08:41:10
130pts is moronic . I know you like to exaggerate vbb but that's really dumb. I guess McDavid going to get well over 200 then.

06 Aug 2019 14:26:24
Marner will our produce McDavid for sure with more ice time and better pp. Sundin And Keon also have nothing on Marner or even Mathews ( if healthy ) . Marner will lead the league in points next Season.

06 Aug 2019 15:25:04
130 pts for Marner and 90pts for Nylander? What’s Tavares and Matthews going to get vbb’s?

06 Aug 2019 16:02:50

06 Aug 2019 16:31:04
Nylander will get almost a PPG if put with Mathews.

Marner will carry Tavares to what ever amount of points he gets. Maybe Nylander 77 points, Mathews 92 points, Tavares 99 points ( all Marner 70 points without him ) and 122 points for Marner. McDavid will put up 119 points and Kucherov will put up 127.

Also if Nylander got 20 minutes a per game on a line with Draistle-McDavid-Nylander he could easily put up 90+ points.

06 Aug 2019 16:40:11
Wow. Vb needs some serious help lol.

06 Aug 2019 21:45:16
What about I just said is unreasonable you can not provide an argument to discredit my statement all you can do is click the disagree button maybe I’m wrong about Keon and Sundin because me being a 2001 I haven’t seen Keaon or a prime sundin but I’ll wager that he’ll be known as that by the time he retires which is a possible scenario with decent probability.

07 Aug 2019 00:43:18
Didn’t Kucherov just get 120 points? If Kucherov can, then why can’t Marner? I can see Marner breaking 100 points regularly. An Art Ross or Hart trophy is easily possible. Marner is very similar to a young Patrick Kane. Very Similar.

07 Aug 2019 04:24:23
Beside Tavares he's obviously hitting 100 but the leafs aren't the lightning. Tampa broke records, leafs didn't break anything. Almost everybody on the lightning had career years. Marner ain't hitting 130 any time soon

03 Aug 2019 21:58:57
To Anaheim:
To Leafs:
Rackell, Comtois, Kase

04 Aug 2019 12:28:27
You don’t think one of Anaheim’s many stud defenders should be included? Maybe Larsson instead of Comtois?

04 Aug 2019 12:33:07
No matter how many times a Marner Trade is posted it won’t change the fact he won’t be traded especially not for a deal that not fill any positional needs.

04 Aug 2019 18:32:07
Manson had one good year and people think he is the best player on Anaheim. Last year he was terrible. Leafs pass on him.
Lindholm is a LHD, and so is Larsson and Fowler. Plus all 3 had off years.
Larsson hasn’t really proven anything yet. He only has 5 points in 53 games.

Comtois and Kase in the other hand look like they could have huge breakout years.

Plus if Rackell can have a bounce back year, then the leafs basically replace Marner by adding 3 guys on good contracts.

05 Aug 2019 00:22:15
Lindholm would be the starting point in a Marner Trade.

03 Aug 2019 20:00:28
Once the GM mess is settled in Minnesota I have a trade proposal.

Minnesota Trades

Toronto Trades
JLindgren (AHL)

Minny also retains 50% of Parise's remaining Contract.

The Wild are weak on the RWing but strong on LWing.
When a Team like Minnesota are rebuilding they usually trade off there older Player assets to get more depth and younger, this trade proposal does that.
Parise after Marner signs gives that LWinger that sets the Leafs at forward.

Thoughts ?

03 Aug 2019 20:15:46
Do you copy and paste this proposal in case new people join the site and might like it? I haven’t heard Parise’s name so much in his entire career.

03 Aug 2019 22:07:12
So three AHL’ers and a 3rd liner with bloated stats for a 60 point player with half-cap retained? Makes sense lmao XD.

04 Aug 2019 00:06:15
Can you stop, youve posted this same proposal like three times a
ready with the same feedback, just give it up, adding Justin f***ing Holl or Lindgren or Gauthier or Hutchinson or Kaskisuo or Harpur or whoever doesn’t change it man.

04 Aug 2019 01:26:22
Horrible for leafs

04 Aug 2019 01:26:41
Nvm horrible for minny. didn't see the 50% retained oof

04 Aug 2019 04:33:01
And if Parise retires early, what sort f penalty do Leafs face on their cap? Pride is so old too. The only good thing is that Leafs could expose Parise and Seattle probably wouldn’t take him like they would Hyman, who looks like he will be the forward Leafs expose.

04 Aug 2019 13:27:54
Hey, anyone see that movie groundhog day? I think I'm in it. Here is a bunch of garbage for a good player at the time but still signed till he's like 42. Neither team touches this with a 10 foot pole. It's so dumb that it has to be on repeat for 6 days. Oh! That's not enough? I'll just add another worthless ahl player. Pinball logic.

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