05 Aug 2022 20:45:53
Just seen this rumor on YouTube earlier today thought I'd make 1 slight change.

ARI :
Chychrun
Crouse

OTT :
Zaitsev
Formenton
Thompson/ Docker
Sokolov
2024 1st (lottery protected)

The change was a lottery protected 2023 1st to a 2024 1st lottery protected.


1.) 05 Aug 2022
05 Aug 2022 22:31:16
Quantity doesn't return quality.


2.) 06 Aug 2022
05 Aug 2022 23:36:43
No Monix it doesn't you're right. But when quality in quantity is offered its 100% does.

Formenton is already middle 6 forward status with top 6 potential and is easily one of the fastest player's in the game, that is quality whether you agree or not.

A 1st in any draft from any team is also quality, let alone from a team that just had the 7th overall.

Whether it's Thompson or Docker it don't matter, they are both GOING to be Top 4 dmen in the league no matter where they end up and both have already proven to be NHL ready, that is also quality.

And Sokolov is going to be a middle 6 big body power forward who will also look great on a pk and like the rest, already has NHL experience and looked great in that time, that is also quality.

Trades like the Matthew Tkachuk deal are extremely rare and in this case are extremely unlikely. Chychrun is RFA next year, Chychrun also already on record that he is NOT coming back to Arizona long term, and Chychrun has injury history. All those things guarantee noone will be getting fleeced by Arizona the way Calgary fleeced Florida.

This means an offer like this, that actually is rumored and being talked about by actual respectable sources is among the TOP offers that will get for him by far. Especially considering this is an even BETTER haul than Vegas even gave up for Eichel, Ottawa gave up for DeBrincat, or LA gave up for Fiala, who should all carry more value than Chychrun carries now.

I swear you only comment here to argue like a troll who has nothing better to do. There is a reason you are NOT an NHL GM, you would get laughed out of the league and either would NEVER complete a trade or if you did you'd get fleeced every time and turn an NHL team into a PeeWee hockey team in your first couple years lol 1 sided trades are NOT what teams look for, nor has it ever been. And Superstar for Superstar"s" trades are a gm just asking to be fired while the other is hailed as a hero. Lol.


3.) 06 Aug 2022
05 Aug 2022 23:49:43
@Moxnix there’s a ton of quality there…Think of it this way
Formenton >> Dube
Thomson > Zary
Sokolov = 2nd
Ottawa 1st + Zaitsev = Calgary 1st.


4.) 06 Aug 2022
06 Aug 2022 01:53:55
I think somewhere in this deal, Shane Pinto needs to be going the other way.


5.) 06 Aug 2022
06 Aug 2022 02:04:07
Dube > Formenton (Dube is a Centre)
Thomson = Valimaki
Sokolov = 2nd
Ottawa 1st + Zaitsev = Ottawa 2nd

ARI will want more, like Tyler Boucher or Jake Sanderson. They might consider Shane Pinto or Erik Brannstrom instead.


6.) 06 Aug 2022
06 Aug 2022 02:26:44
Can someone explain how it is possible for an OTT 1st PLUS Zaitsev to be = to an OTT 2nd?


7.) 06 Aug 2022
06 Aug 2022 02:33:27
No HockeyDad you are vastly overrating Ottawa bottom 6 players and mediocre prospects. There isn't much quality in your proposal.

Zaitsev is a good bottom pairing defenseman who's overpaid by about 1.5 million a year.

Formenton is a good bottom 6 forward but with the sex assault scandal he's a HUGE RISK. Nobody is going to touch him now.

Neither of those two is going to cut it as the main piece in a trade for Chychrun.

Lassi Thomson is a mediocre defensive prospect who may or may not eventually become a decent bottom pairing player. You compared him to Calgary's Connor Zary a center. Talking apples to apples I wouldn't trade any of Calgary defense prospects Mackey, Poirier or Kuznetsov for Thomson. Valimaki I might consider trade for him just to gain some cap space. Valimaki has been disappointing so far but still has far more upside potential than Thomson.

Sokolov is a big guy who might become a good bottom 6 but that's about it.

Bernard-Docker isn't any better than Thomson. Just another mediocre D prospect who might eventually become a decent bottom pair guy.

You want Chychruns it's going to take better players or prospects than that.

Sanderson, Pinto and a 2023 first probably gets Arizona talking. The pile of mediocrity you proposed isn't even close. I don't care what Bruce Garrioch or some other Senators schill says, it isn't true.


8.) 06 Aug 2022
06 Aug 2022 02:59:59
Furthermore your proposal has Arizona adding Crouse to the deal too. Ottawa gets the two best players in the deal, takes on a problem player (Formenton) a first and a pile of not much else.

That's a one sided trade heavily favoring Ottawa!

Try to come up with something realistic for once.


9.) 06 Aug 2022
06 Aug 2022 03:18:31
Sohabs not a chance dude that's why Formenton is there. Ottawa has the depth on the wings to replace Formenton with Grieg or Jarventie for example. Pinto is NOT so easily replaced. So Ottawa should NOT add him to any trade right now nor should they have to with the other young talents they have like the ones mentioned.


10.) 06 Aug 2022
06 Aug 2022 03:26:28
Trevor A

Formenton > Dube that is a fact sorry to tell you.
Sokolov takes away Zaitsevs negative value.
And Thompson =/ > Zary
A 1st in any draft is still a 1st.


11.) 06 Aug 2022
06 Aug 2022 03:37:04
No Monix you are seriously unrating middle 6 player with Top 6 potential and high end prospects as you always do.

I wouldn't take any of those guys for Thompson period, he's more valuable than all 3 combined, and Valumaki is a HELL NO!

As for Sanderson, Pinto, and a 2023 1st? Lmfao we're talking a trade for Jacob Chychrun here, NOT a starting point for a Connor McDavid trade. Would you like Ottawa to trade DeBrincat, Norris, Batherson, Stutzle, Sanderson, Chabot, Pinto, and 5 1sts for Chychrun instead? Or is that NOT enough either? Lmfao get bent with your lame low ball evaluations.


12.) 06 Aug 2022
06 Aug 2022 04:19:46
Because Zaitsev has negative value, duh ?

Who wants a $4.5mil Bottom-Pairing D-Man!? Better to use the $$$ elsewhere and to give the spot to a younger guy, like Thomson or Docket who neither have proven anything yet. They’re the same as Jusso Valimaki and only get playing time in OTT because they only have 2 Good Defensemen: Chabot and Zub. They wouldn’t get playing time in CGY

So what Formenton is Fast, he’s also Small. He’s only had 1 Good Season. Let’s see if he can replicate it, then we can talk about whether he has Top-6 Potential or not. He’s definitely not better than Dube at this point. Sokolov will probably end up being better

Ottawa won’t be bottom dwellers anymore but if they don’t fix their Defence, they’ll struggle to make the Playoffs. @MoxNix is right, this isn’t near enough for Chychrun and other Teams can & will easily beat this group.

Kylington + Zadorov + Zary + 1st for Chychrun & McBain. At lease they’d be getting 2 NHL Players they can use, not just a Small one who’s Fast. Whoopee ?.


13.) 06 Aug 2022
06 Aug 2022 04:26:45
There you go again, according to you every Sens prospect is a superstar in waiting and every Flames prospect trash.

Get real dude, a few year's ago Ottawa had one of the best prospect pools in the league but all those top prospects, the ones who actually had true top 6 potential (Tkachuk, Norris, Batherson, Chabot, Stuzle) are all IN the NHL now. What's left isn't nearly as good as those three.

Now you're being completely ridiculous. I never suggested anything even remotely close to "DeBrincat, Norris, Batherson, Stutzle, Sanderson, Chabot, Pinto, and 5 1sts" for Chychrun.

In fact what I did suggest was the 2 least valuable of those players and ONE first. Get your story straight and stop making things up.

If you don't like having your proposals critcized then put some thought into them for a change and stop making absurd lowball proposals. No GM is going to trade a number 1 RD without getting qaulity assets in return! If he did he'd be fired before the ink is dry!


14.) 06 Aug 2022
06 Aug 2022 04:37:51
Before Nylander gets on all his alias accounts to make a mountain out of a molehill again, I do know Chychrun is a LD not a RD like I mistakenly said in my last comment.


15.) 06 Aug 2022
06 Aug 2022 04:39:54
Talk about a Homer Trade ?

Chychrun AND Crouse for this!? roflmao ? ? ?.


16.) 06 Aug 2022
06 Aug 2022 04:52:38
LOL!

You are insane.

As if Sanderson Pinto and a first (no doubt you'd want it lottery protected too would be remotely close to enough for McDavid.


17.) 06 Aug 2022
06 Aug 2022 04:58:43
I wouldn’t even bother anymore on this one @Mox, these guys thought Connor Brown was worth a 1st, they think Toffoli is only worth a 2nd and that all 1st Round Picks have the same value

At least MyBad knows Zaitsev has negative value but that’s about it on this one. Another example of fans overrating their Prospects and underrating ours.

Yup CGY absolutely sucks guys, that’s why we won our division. How’d OTT do again with all their amazing talent!? ? Yeah, that’s what I thought

? DROP!


18.) 06 Aug 2022
06 Aug 2022 06:33:34
Gotta give to get. If I'm the GM of Arizona, i don't see anything that makes me wanna move those 2.


19.) 06 Aug 2022
06 Aug 2022 14:30:39
Boys…. take a breath…it’s a beautiful day…. and the insults look a little more childish on a screen than you may be intending.

Just the other day someone said, “ Stooping to personal attacks now I see. Thanks for showing everyone exactly what kind of person you are. ” The irony sometimes is funnier than intended. ?

Don’t take it so personally, it’s just b-s’ing about theoretical trades. Who cares if some name on a page doesn’t agree with you? It’s all good boys…wait till at least 10am and pour yourself a cold one…and make it a great day?.


20.) 06 Aug 2022
06 Aug 2022 14:59:37
too much from Ottawa.


21.) 06 Aug 2022
06 Aug 2022 15:20:05
OMG Monix listen to yourself dude that is a troll if I had ever heard one. Every single one of those guys before graduating the prospects list were at one point or another among the Top 100 prospects in the NHL according to actual reputable sources including dobber hockey and TSN rankings, I ain't over valuing a damn thing. You are just undercutting them because they are sens prospects, for what ever reason you seem to think the sens got nothing of value outside the top 2 lines, Sanderson, and Pinto, which is simply NOT true. Sens have drafted far better than most teams for years now hand do have a cupboard of talent in the system whether you like to admit it or not.

I do believe Docker was ranked 56th and Thompson 87th or something less than 2 years ago. And Formenton 3 years ago was 52nd all According to dobber hockey.

And considering this is NOT my proposal outside the pick change, and was actually posted by a legit source outside you or me on YouTube, yeah I'd say the value 100% is still there for all these guys.


22.) 06 Aug 2022
06 Aug 2022 15:33:43
Trevor A Connor Brown is worth a 1st, Dorian is a dumbass who settled for a 2nd so he could free up cap to go after Giroux and have cap space left for Joseph, Formenton, and Branstrom if trades can't be made for decent value with those guys. It's called a rushed trade to make priority signings. In case you hadn't noticed it was also made the very 1st day it was allowed, but yeah take your lousy shot lol.

And last I checked Calgary still got bounced embarrassingly by Edmonton lol. Ottawa was also one of the most injury rattled c.v. struck teams in the NHL last year and wasn't far off from them in the North division the year before with our rookie team to your seasoned vets.

I'd gladly bet you Ottawa finishes better than Calgary this year with or without a possible Chychrun addition. Not that that determines prospects value. And not that you'd have the guts to even take that bet lol.


23.) 06 Aug 2022
06 Aug 2022 16:51:59
Dobber Hockey LOL That explains a lot!

Should we tell him that's a FANTASY LEAGUE site?


24.) 06 Aug 2022
06 Aug 2022 17:25:30
I’d happily take that bet. CGY >> OTT ?

I’ll not only take that bet, I’ll raise you by betting Mangiapane scores more Goals than DeBrincat and Dube Scores more Goals & Points than Formenton this Season too

CGY now has the Best Playmaker in the League and with a few more tweaks will be even better than last season, especially since Coleman, Zadorov & Toffoli will be in their 2nd Seasons with CGY so will be more familiar, confident and comfortable out there.


25.) 06 Aug 2022
06 Aug 2022 17:50:32
Better qualify that with goals in the NHL because while Dube certainly will be in the NHL, Formenton may not be!


26.) 07 Aug 2022
07 Aug 2022 02:47:57
Well considering tsn rankings were as close as they were to it I'll take that fantasy league over this one lmfao they seem to hame a much greater grasp on what value is than you do. Ottawa could have Connor McDavid and you'd STILL low ball his value massively Monix lmfao if McDavid were a Sen and we wanted to trade him, what could we get from your evaluation there superstar? A 2nd, a new washing machine, and a pale of fish? Lmfao.


27.) 07 Aug 2022
07 Aug 2022 02:59:24
I'll gladly accept that upped anti as well. Huberdeau is far from the best playmaker in the league FYI, he had Barkov to feed off of all along, who's he got now? Mangiapane and Lindholm? Lmfao That's a big time downgrade if I ever saw one. I'll gladly bet DeBrincat Stutzle and Batherson outplays that trio anyday.

Hell even Tkachuk Norris Giroux might out play them too, less likely but possible for sure.

And incase you hadn't seen the latest on the hockey Canada scandle, the girl in question came out and claimed it was consensual. So Formenton nor Batherson will be going anywhere anytime soon. Keep up.


28.) 07 Aug 2022
07 Aug 2022 03:32:01
You don't seem to realize Barkov and Huberdeau weren't even on the same line!


29.) 07 Aug 2022
07 Aug 2022 03:38:02
You get your hockey knowledge from random YouTube videos, Dobber Hockey and trashy TSN?

No wonder you're so clueless.


30.) 07 Aug 2022
07 Aug 2022 03:46:20
Why do you keep trying to derail the conversation about your own proposal for Chychrun to Ottawa into trash talking Calgary player prospects and fans anyhow?


31.) 07 Aug 2022
07 Aug 2022 03:51:03
You are Insane MyBad! Glad you love your Senators, but you’re delusional if you think those 2 lines have a chance of putting up more points than CGY’s #1 line

Huberdeau had the most Assists in the NHL with 85, that’s more than Twice as many as any of your Senators except Giroux…. Who played with Barkov & Huberdeau too! You think he’ll play as well with Younger less experienced guys like Tkachuk & Norris!? You’ll be lucky to get 60 points out of him this season, both Mangiapane & Toffoli can & will do better than that on Line 1

Barkov > Lindholm
Lindholm >> Norris & Stutzle

You think DeBrincat will score 40 Goals or more Points in OTT without Patrick Kane feeding him or getting Top Line minutes!? Ha! Fat chance!

I like Batherson, but similar to Formenton, let’s see if he can replicate it and for a full season at that

I like the direction OTT is going, but without improving their Defence, your forwards will be playing in their own zone the majority of the time, so won’t have time to be scoring, unless they on the pp.

Both FLA & CGY had Superior Defence last Season. CGY by far has the more Superior Defence >>> OTT.


32.) 07 Aug 2022
07 Aug 2022 04:14:29
Baddie's posts in this thread would make a great study on logical fallacies.

strawman arguments
hasty generalizations
appeal to authority
ad hominen attacks

Probably missed a few but those are his gotos.


33.) 07 Aug 2022
07 Aug 2022 04:33:45
What's the difference Monix? All you do is trash talk Ottawa players and undercut them at every turn. At least what I say is true. Ottawa has a far stronger overall system that Calgary right now and that's a fact. Calgary has what? That line, no defense and 2 decent prospects in Zary and Poirier? Who are both 1 dimensional players.

Sorry if Ottawas 10th string prospects carry more value than Calgarys 1st string.


34.) 07 Aug 2022
07 Aug 2022 04:56:42
Lmfao Norris just scored 35 goals, and Tkachuk is easily one of the BEST true power forwards in the league easy and gets under players skin to boot. And both guys being near a point a game. Adding Giroux to a line that did that kind of damage with Batherson and never lost a step with Joseph replacing Batherson? Yeah I have no doubt what so ever they can at least keep that up and likely do better than that with Giroux.

As for the other like, Stutzle had a rough start then when Batherson joined his line he lit the league up nearing a point a game and Batherson was over a point a game, and now you add a 40 goal scorer to that duo in DeBrincat? Yeah thanks for coming, I'll enjoy winning this bet.

Then either Formenton Pinto and Joseph or Grieg Pinto and Joseph if Formenton is included in a possible Chychrun deal is arguably going to be one of the BEST 3rd line trios in hockey either way.

And Norris or Stutzle >> Lindholm any day of the week. Lindhold had Johnny Hockey and Tkachuk to help pad his stats all along, and remains to be seen if he can operate with new linemates yet or not. Lol.

And yeah DeBrincat likely will get 35+ goals if he's playing with Stutzle and Batherson lol Norris would have reached that with Batherson had both guys had NOT gotten injured at different times for extended periods lol and Stutzle is an even better playmaker than Batherson so save your breath you wanna compare that lol

Calgary Defense was better these last few years only because Dorian won't give the kids a chance to play and keeps bringing in old duds. Do yourself a favour and look at the results when Branstrom or Docker or Thompson were in the lineup, they were a winning team with them in, and a losing team without them in. It's NOT rocket science to figure out why Ottawas defence was so bad. Lol

If they add Chychrun, and bring up Sanderson, for a 2 pair, and bring up Branstrom and either Docker or Thompson which ever they don't get rid of, and ship out Zaitsev Hamonic Holden like they should, they instantly change from terrible defense to arguably BEST in the league by a mile. That's the whole point of a legit Chychrun trade. And NOT these one sided fleece Ottawa garbage trades you and Monix keep mentioning. Even without him though, Sanderson and the kids coming up is a huge change in dynamics back there.


35.) 07 Aug 2022
07 Aug 2022 05:30:22
You truly have tunnel vision MyBad. You live in a Fantasy World where all your Prospects are Great even though the Stats and Numbers don’t suggest or confirm that and that the ones with Zero NHL Experience will put up Top 50-100 Numbers at their Position

Stutzle & Norris being better than Lindholm is absolutely hilarious. FYI - Lindholm Scored 42 Goals and 40 Assists and was a +61

How do we make this bet happen. Easy Money!

? ? ?.


36.) 07 Aug 2022
07 Aug 2022 12:41:56
And we thought the koolaid in Toronto was strong.


37.) 07 Aug 2022
07 Aug 2022 18:29:59
what's with all the hate hahaha! isn't this just supposed to be fun?


38.) 07 Aug 2022
07 Aug 2022 20:13:25
Are You Not Entertained!?

I'm having fun with it, just mirroring the tone of the other posters! It's a forum to discuss, banter & challenge ourselves/ others in regards to our/ their hockey knowledge and proposals

Don't have to agree, but I see this as a passionate & competitive hockey debate. I haven't experienced anybody crossing the line or getting abusive

P. S. Calgary Flames >>> Ottawa Senators.


39.) 07 Aug 2022
07 Aug 2022 21:49:12
The only delusional ones are you and Monix Trevor A. The stats actually do support me NOT you. Like I said go look up the teams record with Thompson or Docker and Branstrom vs the teams record without those kids. The stats like you said, don't lie. The last 20 games roughly after Chabot got hurt and the kids were given a chance to play they won far more than they lost which as a fan who wanted losses at that time for a chance at a better pick it drove me nuts. Also the stint when Zaitsev and Holden were out injured and Hamonic hadn't been acquired yet. Both times we had winning records. The overall record was a result of injuries, c.v. protocols, and having the old useless bums on the blueline behind 1 good pair of Chabot and Zub. Facts.

Norris and Stutzle are BOTH better than Lindholm no question. Lindholm had not 1 but 2 100+ point players to feed off of and pad his stats of course he should at least be a point a game lmfao ? Norris and Stutzle were BOTH just 10 points shy of a point a game in their soft more years playing with other rookies and soft mores and NO 100 point players to pad their stats, do the math dude.

You tell me how you wanna do this bet? I can't wait!


40.) 07 Aug 2022
07 Aug 2022 22:51:11
soft more eh? Do you call a lateral in football a ladder roll too?


41.) 07 Aug 2022
07 Aug 2022 22:54:55
Add causal fallacies to the list above. Just because the Sens won a couple more games than usual when a player is in the lineup doesn't mean that player is the reason why they won.


42.) 07 Aug 2022
07 Aug 2022 23:08:05
"The last 20 games roughly after Chabot got hurt and the kids were given a chance to play they won far more than they lost"

Why aren't you using the same flawed logic to conclude Chabot is a bum and the mediocre kids are better than him too?


43.) 08 Aug 2022
08 Aug 2022 05:08:11
It does whe it happens year after year. Same exact thing happened when they each had their debut runs the year before as well. You can talk all you trash you want, facts and stats and history don't lie, you do.


44.) 09 Aug 2022
09 Aug 2022 17:10:46
Wow been a while since I posted in here and it's gone full WWE lol glad to see some common sense for once in here though lol, a few new names here but I see there's some new trolls right MoxNix and TrevorA? Lol don't worry, it can be our little secret lol.

I can actually say this is a solid trade all round that is a fair hockey trade for both teams. I'm kindve suprised to see none of the original trolls have a comment on this one yet to be honest LMFAO.


45.) 09 Aug 2022
09 Aug 2022 19:40:07
I hope to see you post more often, and you’re right on the money with your WWE comment. Cheers ?.