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28 Jul 2021 18:42:59
Ott : Branstrom, Boucher, Thompson

Col : Byram, 2022 1st

Ottawa gets a right handed right defense solid prospect to round out its top 4 and a 1st in a deep draft

Colorado gets a solid young nhl ready left handed left defense who can step into its top 4 also on their weak side plus a solid former 1st rounder right handed defense prospect future top 4 in his own right to replace Byram, plus a solid gritty forward prospect just drafted 10th overall.

No protection on the pick as let's face it, we are talking Colorado here, the odds of their pick being all that great is astronomically low



Colorado defense after the trade within the next 2 years

Branstrom Makar
Girard Thompson

(Johnson on his way out soon anyway at 33 years old)

Ottawas defense after the trade within 2 years

Chabot Byram
Sanderson Docker

2 solid defense corps there if you ask me

Sens_Able

1.) 28 Jul 2021 22:06:01
I’m fine with Ottawa’s team as is. They’re building an identity and have more than enough money to get a better player than Byram.


2.) 29 Jul 2021 13:45:48
Towes-Makar
Girard-Erik Johnson
Byram-?

Byram shoots left btw and the right side is what needs help. Terrible offer Atleast add bathersson.


 

 

27 Jul 2021 22:25:57
Ott : Branstrom, Boucher, Thompson, 2022 3rd, Jarventie, 2023 conditional 1st (if sens miss the 2023 playoffs it become a 2024 non protected 1st instead)

Buf : Dahilin, Peterka

Sens_Able

1.) 28 Jul 2021 02:35:27
Dahlin is untouchable.


2.) 28 Jul 2021 03:20:39
no. No. No.


3.) 28 Jul 2021 09:27:48
Ottawa thanks you for your interest, and they will get back to you. not.


4.) 28 Jul 2021 18:28:11
Dahlin ain't untouchable lmfao I litterally just seen a post on ESPN rumoring a Dahlin for Marner trade lol that don't scream untouchable lol


5.) 29 Jul 2021 13:49:09
Not everything you read on the internet is true and it was TSN and a hypothetical trade not a rumour.


 

 

20 Jul 2021 17:32:20
I'm seeing a lot of ridiculous Eichel trade proposals out there one specifically that caught my attention and that one is...

Buf : Eichel

Nyr : Lafreniere, Kakko, a 2021 1st, and more

Based on that nerfing of Lafreniere and Kakkos value I figured I'd post a new Lafreniere to Ottawa trade

Nyr : Lafreniere, Strome

Ott : C.Brown, Thompson, 2021 1st (10th overall), 2021 3rd, Abramov, Jarventie, White, J.Brown

Stroke and White carry identical value as far as i'm concerned, stroke is simple inflated a bit thanks to 3 years with Panarin to boost his value so White, J.Brown, and the 3rd should be enough for Strome. The rest is to cover Lafreniere value. Still quite a bit though based on Lafrenieres performance or lack there of in his rookie season, combined with the lack of total value Lafreniere apparently carries in a Jack Eichel offer.

Lafreniere Stutzle Batherson
Tkachuk Norris Dadonov
Formenton Pinto Grieg

Lafreniere gets to go home to where he should have been all along, in Ottawa.

Sens_Able

1.) 20 Jul 2021 19:20:04
Leafs top that offer.

Ilya Mikheyev, Koppeki, 2022 1st, 2021 2nd, John Creamer, Kale McCarthy, Craig Coffin, Redmond Savage, Caleb Carr, Connor Cramm and John Walsh

For

Jack Eichel.


2.) 20 Jul 2021 19:43:04
Geez you can’t just pile everything in one trade. There’s contract limits lol.
If we wanted Laf, which I’m not sure we even do, it would likely take:
Laf for Sanderson, Batherson, 2021 1st and one of Thomson, Grieg or a future 1st.


3.) 20 Jul 2021 20:03:45
Strome >> White

Can't see the Rangers giving up on Lafreniere yet. The 10th OA probably gets you Strome, Connor Brown and the 3rd might too but the rest of that Ottawa package isn't worth much.


4.) 21 Jul 2021 14:05:44
Calgary counters Lucic, Backlund, Treliving, Huska, Sigalet for Eichel.


5.) 21 Jul 2021 14:37:20
Ah yes, you counter the Rangers package with quantity jnstead of quality. Lafreniere + Kakko would just be Stutzle + Sanderson or so. Lol.


6.) 21 Jul 2021 16:25:38
You all are high on something and your responses further prove how biased you are against ottawa.

As good as Jack Eichel is, the actual asking price of Lafreniere plus Kakko plus the Rangers 1st this year and more.

And you still think based on that trade value that Lafreniere can net a return of Sanderson, Batherson, 2021 1st and one of Thomson, Grieg or a future 1st? And that is coming from a so called sens fan?

Lmfao your basically saying that everything the the sens got now will only ever amount to a 4th liner or 3rd pair guy at best and ain't worth more than a 4th, Stutzle, Tkachuk, and Chabot included. And that simply ain't even close to the truth and you know it.

Ottawa developes well, just look around the league for proof. Zibanejad, Stone, EK, Hoffman, Silverberg, etc. That means they do carry a lot more value than any of you give them credit for.

I'm saying that based on the actual Eichel trade asking price for new york, from Buffalo, ottawa could easily get Lafreniere for this price, and I would be right despite the insane beliefs I'm reading here.

So you are all going to have to come off your high horse somewhere here. Either I'm right and this is a great and dare I say overpayment for Lafreniere, or Buffalo is NUTS and are asking FAR too much for Eichel and likely won't even get half that asking price for him, especiallyin his current situation? Which is it guys?

Unless their name is Connor McDavid, Wayne Gretzky, Sydney Crosby, Alex Ovechkin, Gordie Howe, etc and they are under 25 years old, NO 1 player is worth a Top 10 pick, a guy just drafted 1st overall, a guy just drafted 2nd overall 2 years ago, and more. Especially a guy who is NOT a point a game player, or has ever played in an NHL playoff game, needs major surgery, has a known attitude in the locker room, is coming off one of the worst seasons yet, and could be injury proned lol. Yet some how he's worth all that and 1 of those pieces is somehow worth 90% of ottawa combined and the 10th overall?

Get freaking real. You guys are on some amazing drugs that's for sure!


7.) 21 Jul 2021 16:29:09
As for monix, strome = White sorry to tell you. Nothing outside boosted stats thanks to Panarin suggest otherwise. And that's being kind as without Panarin Strome was proven to be much worst than White. Just ask an Edmonton fan or Islanders fan.

No way in hell he's worth anywhere close to the 10th overall so don't joke like that again lol


8.) 21 Jul 2021 18:21:16
Oiler fans liked Strome and in New York he had a 50 point season. Lol not everyone is out to hate on Ottawa, you just seem to think 15 players can equal up to the value of 1 and that’s just not how it works.


9.) 21 Jul 2021 23:11:44
The actual offer is Lafreniere, Kakko and a pick.

Lafreniere was picked 1st. Stutzle was picked 3rd.

Theres your comparable.

Kakko was picked 2nd. Sanderson was picked 5th.

Theres your comparable.

Those are comparables. Not throwing a bunch of quantity and saying hey look its equal to Lafreniere. Lmfao.


10.) 23 Jul 2021 18:35:46
The actual offer was Lafreniere, Kakko, New Yorks 1st in 2021, plus 3 more pieces. I know that for a fact as I was just reading about them from legit sources, as well as watching a YouTube video talking about those articles. Good try though TopShelf.

And sure those are comparables based on selection point alone, but adding career trajectory so far not so much. Either way, Brown has been on level footing or better than Lafreniere to start their career so far so arguably that's equal value as is White with Kakko for that matter, and Ottawa and New York both have top 10 picks.

So based on draft selection point sure, Kakko, Lafreniere, and Rangers 1st = Ottawa 1st, Stutzle, and Sanderson However based on rookie season plus the career trajectory so far the Rangers 3 are nowhere close to those Ottawa 3. But the package I originally posted for Lafreniere is equal to that entire package, Lafreniere included, for Eichel.

Therefore in conclusion I believe we can call this Lafreniere package an overpayment.

As for a bunch of quantity over quality garbage, if you're Joe sackic are you going to offer up an 18 year old Rantanen, a 19 year old MacKinnon, a top ten pick, and 3 more pieces to get a 23 year old Stamkos?

Highly doubtful. So why is that even a discussion to begin with when it comes to Eichel? And yeah, that's the best comparable no matter how you look at it.

In Ottawa case it's like trading a near guaranteed future Matthews and a near guaranteed future Pietrangelo plus 10th overall and more if they did the crap you're suggesting.

That is just simply NOT how trading a superstar like Eichel works. 95% of the time your getting a package of solid prospects and picks NONE of which has very high odds to be the same calibre of the superstar let alone 3 pieces that could potentially be BETTER. Especially an injury proned star who's never once played a playoff game and needs major surgery before his no trade clause kicks in lmfao


 

 

01 Jun 2021 17:02:55
Ok guys. It seems we will likely never agree on the value of sens players, so I'm going to try something a bit different here and see how we stand. After the latest playoff collapse of the Leafs I figured I'd post what I would do to fix the leafs. Tell me what you all think?

Tor : Matthews

Col : Kadri, Byram, 1st 2021

Tor : Marner, Andersen

Edmonton : Nurse, Neal, 2nd 2022

Tor : Sandin, Brodie, Kerfoot, Col 1st 2021, Toronto 1st 2021

Buf : Eichel

Basically Eichel replaces Matthews as top Center, then they use Marner to upgrade Sandin to Byram, kerfoot to Kadri, and Brodie to Nurse. Swap bad contracts of Anderson and Neal.

Reason I would do this is because Marner and Matthews seem to die in the playoffs every year but their regular season numbers currently have them at a very high value range. I believe these moves would drastically improve their Defense as well as make them tougher and grittier to play against.

Thoughts?

Sens_Able

1.) 01 Jun 2021 17:26:49
Lmao Swap Andersen and Neal bad contracts. Andersen is a UFA. I think anyone would agree leafs get shafted here.


2.) 01 Jun 2021 17:28:22
I don't want to fix the Leafs, it is fun watching them either miss the playoffs or get eliminated in the 1st round.


3.) 01 Jun 2021 17:32:06
Matthews trade isn’t what Toronto needs. Naz got shafted from Toronto; doubt he waives his NTC to return, and honestly, like I said before, the dcore is the least of Toronto’s concerns right now. Byram is excellent, but I honestky believe Matthews stays.

Same reasoning as above, Marner shouldn’t be traded for a dman. Nurse is good, but what's the point of having Brodie Nurse Rielly Muzzin Byram Sandin Liljegren etc etc. Even if you dump guys like you did to get Eichel (which is an underpaymenr for Eichel, imho), it still doesn't make sense. Good attempt tho, I just think thetes better ideas out there for a Mitch trade.


4.) 01 Jun 2021 21:52:13
Marner would be the guy to trade. Perimeter players like him are only good when paired with an elite shooters / netfront presences.

Or to put it another way, Matthews would still be very good playing with Mykayev and Kerfoot or Engvall but Marner wouldn't.


 

 

01 Jun 2021 03:14:00
Ott : Zaitsev, Thompson, 2021 1st, White, L.Brown, and a 2023 conditional 1st (if Ottawa misses the playoffs it becomes a 2024 1st instead)

Cbj : Seth Jones

Jones already on record that he wants out of Columbus.

Columbus needs centers, which White and Brown can be for them. Zaitsev can step in Jones place for now and Thompson eventually will take that spot. Plus they get two 1st rounders, one of which is a top 10 pick this year already.

Then Ottawa goes out and signs Nuge and Landeskog to speed up the rebuild.

Landeskog Stutzle Batherson
Tkachuk Norris Nuge
Formenton Pinto C.Brown
Watson Teirney Dadonov

Chabot Jones
Sanderson Docker
Branstrom Zub

Gustafson
Soogard

Sens_Able

1.) 01 Jun 2021 04:37:16
Leafs out bid that with

Alex Kerfoot, Travis Dermott, Freddy Andersen ( UFA rights ), Jim Jackson, Caleb Jackson, 1st 2024, 7th 2021, 6th 2026, Connor McCoy, Jung Lee, Sheldon Keith, Tobby Keith, Brittany spears and 1st 2028

For Seth Jones.


2.) 01 Jun 2021 07:19:52
UFA rights. LOL. that's almost as funny as when you thought your leafs had a chance to make it out of the first round!


3.) 01 Jun 2021 11:16:20
Bruh. No from Columbus.


4.) 01 Jun 2021 14:04:01
Quantity over quality won't work.


5.) 01 Jun 2021 14:34:19
I wouldn’t do that as a sens fan. Thompson is hopefully going to be ready this or next year. Our first is #10 so it can be used to get a solid D prospect. This draft is deep and not top heavy.
Zaitsev is a good place holder till JBD, Sanderson and Thompson develop.
L Brown should get one more year to develop and go from there.
I hope Seattle takes White.


6.) 01 Jun 2021 16:56:58
@Moxnix to put this in perspective. This offer is the same as
Pelletier + 2021 1st + 2023 1st + Tanev + 2 B/ C prospects from Calgary for Jones.
Would you accept.


 

 

 

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23 Jul 2021 18:45:31
Ebsolutely, what Oilers fan liked him lmfao? I know a lot of Oilers fans who couldn't wait to get rid of him. Lmfao he was litterally hot trash there. Oilers fans despised losing Eberle for that bum.

As for his solo 50 point season on the Island, pretty sure White did that exact thing in his rookie season and had better points per games played this past season and is younger. Or is 49 points too big of a gap from 50?

I'm saying asside from panarin inflated stats helping strome, White is better in every possible way. So if Stome is worth 10th overall as you say that means White is worth at least the 5th overall. Lol

Oh and if White were on ghe Rangers being inflated by Panarin, he would likely be near a point a game player fyi.

Sens_Able

1.) 24 Jul 2021 01:25:20
You can find fans that hate anyone but if you follow Oilers Twitter or read articles on him, he was actually liked in Edmonton. Fans knew he had more offense in him and it would come. He only had the one good season in New York but he was still young. A White’s career high is 41 points? He has a better points per game this season? Strome was almost a point a game. Lol plus I never said he’s better than White or that he’s worth the 10 OA cause he definitely isn’t. If New York thinks White can earn his contract, which I doubt they do, then they’d for sure make that trade considering there ages. Neither one of them are worth 1st round picks.


 

 

19 Jun 2021 19:16:30
I know this post will garner some heat 1 way or another so I will explain it now as best I can...

Eichel wants out of Buffalo. Buffalo wants Eichel gone before his no trade clause kicks in. Eichel wants to go against his teams recommendations and have an experimental surgery that could render him injury proned for the remainder of his career or end it completely. A surgury that takes place after his no trade clause kicks in. After this happens Buffalo trade options become limited based on his list of teams. Eichel is tired of losing and wants to play playoff hockey.

Despite popular believe Eichel trade value is severely affected by all of this due to the risk associated with a trade that needs to happen before the surgery because of the no trade clause. Therefor he won't get that MAGASTAR return some of you seem to think he would.

Here is what I believe Ottawa could use to get him and I'll say why after...

BUF : Eichel

OTT : 10th overall pick in 2021 (with a condition that if Eicheldon't play at least 82 games by the 2023 draft for ottawa then Buffalo gives ottawa their 2023 1st as compensation for a failed trade), Batherson, Zaitsev, Teirney, and White

Reasoning is that white can step into Buffalo top 6 right away as could Batherson. Teirney could step in to Buffalo penalty kill right away, Zaitsev could step right in to Buffalo top 4 defense right away if Risto gets moved they at least have a back up that way. And the 10th overall adds to their future.

Ottawa fans might NOT like messing this much especially moving Drake and the 1st among others but here is my reasoning...

It will take a bit to get a guy like Eichel. White and Zaitsev cap would need to be moved so we can afford to sign guys like Stutzle and Sanderson down the road. Teirney like Zaitsev will likely lose his place in Ottawa down the road anyway in their depth chart. The 10th over is likely a huge talking point. And of the big guns one will likely be needed and I for one would sooner move Batherson than break up any other chemistry they have. Chuck Norris need to stay together as they are great together. The North Dakota kids can't be split up as they also work great together. Formenton I wouldn't move either as he and Pinto and C.Brown mesh perfectly. And Branstrom and Zub clicked from day 1. Plus no way in hell Stutzle being moved as he and likely down the road Greig will be Eichel line mates.

Now you may ask well what if Eichel never plays again and the sens do this and get screwed? That's where that condition comes in to play. Buffalo still gets their assets but their 2023 1st gets flipped to Ottawa. If Eichel don't play and Batherson not there to provide offence and no Teirney for PK and so on, Ottawa likely moves back down the rankings and hopefully gets great shot at 2022 and 2023 lotteries where they get something just as good or better than Eichel anyway due to their own picks as well as adding an extra first in the deepest draft in the last 20 years in 2023.

Win win win for all parties involved. Ottawa gets it's star power regardless of whether Eichel plays or not and Buffalo gets a solid Haul for Eichel before his no trade kicks in and doesn't have to risk the experimental surgery or getting nothing for him. Plus if I'm not mistaken Cozens and Batherson played on the someone at world juniors a few years back too so the chemistry should already be there to begin with. I could be wrong on that but I don't think I am.

Ok that's it, let's see the heat it draws lol...

Sens_Able

1.) 20 Jun 2021 23:37:21
You're off your rocker if you think Jack Eichel isn't going to be playing hockey and it's in any way a risk for the Senators to trade for him because of the surgery. With that said, since there's inevitably no risk from Ottawa's side, that offer doesn't touch Eichel. White and Zaitsev are cap filler, Tierney is ala Kerfoot, essentially worthless besides cap hit in any trade, so 10 OA and Batherson isn't enough for Eichel. End of story.

'Can't move the North Dakota kids, can't move Brown, Bransstrom and Zub work too well together, Chucky, Norris and Stutzle untouchable' meanwhile Buffalo's having talks around Zegras/ Drysdale + the Ducks #2 OA for Eichel, and you're calling half your team untouchable. You aren't getting Eichel in Ottawa unless you meet LA/ ANA/ NYR's offers.


2.) 22 Jun 2021 03:39:21
You're nuts if you think Eichel goes for half that anahiem off in his current situation! You say no risk experts and even his own teams management team say it is a major risk. I think I'll go with them!!! There's a reason Kings and Rangers have BOTH already pulled out of the Eichel Bid. It's because the ASK is FAR too much to risk it!!!

So if you honestly think they get anywhere close to one of those kids plus the 3rd overall, you're on some great drugs. Guarenteed he don't get them a better return that the one I posted. Something similar? Probably yeah, but more? NOT A CHANCE IN HELL!!! And if I knew you were good for it, I would GLADLY put some money on that FACT!!!


3.) 22 Jun 2021 06:11:42
That’s fine if you don’t think Eichel gets the Ducks offer. But that’s the asking price. Not this type of quantity. Eichel fetches a huge haul, and won’t be gettinf three mid level high contracts + a mid 1st and one good player.


4.) 22 Jun 2021 12:18:48
@tss said it perfectly. “you're off your rocker”.


5.) 22 Jun 2021 13:26:50
Sens_able vs the world.


6.) 22 Jun 2021 17:36:25
Oh here comes your cheering section top shelf lol.

And yeah he will fetch a package like this! Like I guarenteed he will.

Three mid teir guys like Zaitsev, White and Tierney, I'll agree with that assessment sure. But look at them like this, Zaitsev is a 3rd possibility 4th defense on most teams coming off a very strong campaign and locked up long term at a decent price.

White is also locked up long term. He is an over qualified 3rd line center who can play any situation. Remind you of anyone? Reminds me of a younger version of JG Pageau who hasn't even reached his prime yet. And look at the price tag the Isles payed for him!

Then you got a guy like Teirney who is a penalty kill specialist who can litterally play anywhere in the lineup on pretty much any team and brings leadership and experience.

Teams do like to add depth like that in these situations.

As for Batherson he was litterally Ottawa's BEST player this past season, proved he can play with anyone he is put with, and is not only a young top 6 guy now but only getting better and is more than good enough to be a center piece in any deal! Prove me wrong?

And this years draft, anyone in the top 10 to 15 could easily go 1st overall making that 10th pick a very coveted high pick worth a lot more than a normal 10th overall in other years past. Heck Autu Raty was ranked to go 1st overall back as recently as November and now he's ranked 14th overall on most sources. You going to say he's not that good? Gimmie a break.

Worst case Ottawa adds 1 of Thompson or Abramov at most to sweeten the deal a tad. Outside of that, there is NOTHING wrong with this deal. If Buffalo don't want those 3 contracts you simply get a 3rd party team involved to take them like Colorado did with Turris or flip them in another deal. Solid depth guys like that at young ages can get a pretty decent return yet.


7.) 22 Jun 2021 20:45:14
Man, idk what to tell ya. Colin Whites locked up at 4.3 million and has gotten b2b years of 20ish points. That’s a middling player. Zaitsev is a #4-5 dman on modt teams making 4.5 million. Also a middling player. Tierney is a 3rd-4th line center, another middling player. None of them have much value to anyone, especially not in an Eichel deal, besides to make up the cap and make salary equal. Batherson is good, yes, but he's a winger, off of one good year, and isn’t at Eichels level. The 10th overall pick in a weaker draft (everyone says its a weaker draft, its a known fact - if that's last years #10 with Rossi, Perfetti, its closer) is not the diffence. Eichel starts with Stutzle or Tkachuk + some adds. Not this.


8.) 23 Jun 2021 01:10:22
White, Pinto, Bernard Docker, 1st? I’m not sure if the Sens would want to add to Tkachuk, Stutzle or Chabot.


9.) 25 Jun 2021 17:38:13
TopShelf I'm NOT arguing that those aren't middle guys, that is a fact and I do agree. What I am arguing is the actual value of middle 6 guys like those. Especially ones like Zaitsev and White who are both locked up long term. Those are the guys who provide the depth to help your team go on a deep run. Look at Jason Zucker, Barclay Goodrow, JG Pageau, or even Ryan Hartman for example. Those guys among others all got a bare minimum of a 1st in trades. Why wouldn't White, Teirney, or Zaitsev be worth something around those lines? They are the same ball park of those skill levels and they are younger.

As for White, he actually improved this year by a bit 0.02 points per game more playing in a lesser role than last year. And halved his minus 12 to a minus 6 at the same time. Can't exactly compare overall totals as last year was a longer season.

I also disagree with Eichel starting with Tkachuk or Stutzle as the point of getting him would be to add to them not replace them.

And FYI yes Batherson is a RW, this much is true, However, he also, like Stutzle, plays Center as well. So if involving Stutzle is OK then adding Batherson is as well.

And when it comes to this years draft, yeah you are right, it's a weak one, but, any pick in this years draft top 15 is still worth near equal Value to this year's 1st overall pick. Autu Raty who is currently ranked 16th could easily surprise all of us and go 1st overall ahead of Power and noone would really bat an eye. Heck the guy was ranked number 1 by the time last seasons draft ended I know that for a fact! And look at Mason McTavish who is ranked by most as number 14 I believe, while some litterally have him ranked as high as 2nd. So yeah, that pick ain't something to sniffle at.

That's 2 massive pieces right there plus 3 or 4 great depth roster players who are all young yet and can make a difference for a young Buffalo squad for a guy who wants out, is wanted gone, has a no trade clause about to kick in, wants to get a surgery that was advised against for obvious reasons, has been known to have a bad attitude, is NOT a point a game player, and has NEVER played a single playoff game period.

Player with less baggage and just as much skill or more, has gotten a lot less than that in the past.


10.) 29 Jun 2021 00:44:04
As a Sens fan, those zaitsev and white contracts are just horrid. not a chance either of them carry positive value in a trade atm.


11.) 29 Jun 2021 22:12:00
Same could have easily been said about an old Paul Stastny, Barclay Goodrow, or Ryan Hartman. Same also could have been said about JG Pageau with the money he was asking for and did happen to get from the Isles. Yet they all got a 1st plus... so what is the problem. And do NOT try and say White and Zaitsev aren't on those guys level, they absolutely are! Those guys are no better at all.


 

 

 

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28 Jul 2021 18:28:11
Dahlin ain't untouchable lmfao I litterally just seen a post on ESPN rumoring a Dahlin for Marner trade lol that don't scream untouchable lol

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23 Jul 2021 18:35:46
The actual offer was Lafreniere, Kakko, New Yorks 1st in 2021, plus 3 more pieces. I know that for a fact as I was just reading about them from legit sources, as well as watching a YouTube video talking about those articles. Good try though TopShelf.

And sure those are comparables based on selection point alone, but adding career trajectory so far not so much. Either way, Brown has been on level footing or better than Lafreniere to start their career so far so arguably that's equal value as is White with Kakko for that matter, and Ottawa and New York both have top 10 picks.

So based on draft selection point sure, Kakko, Lafreniere, and Rangers 1st = Ottawa 1st, Stutzle, and Sanderson However based on rookie season plus the career trajectory so far the Rangers 3 are nowhere close to those Ottawa 3. But the package I originally posted for Lafreniere is equal to that entire package, Lafreniere included, for Eichel.

Therefore in conclusion I believe we can call this Lafreniere package an overpayment.

As for a bunch of quantity over quality garbage, if you're Joe sackic are you going to offer up an 18 year old Rantanen, a 19 year old MacKinnon, a top ten pick, and 3 more pieces to get a 23 year old Stamkos?

Highly doubtful. So why is that even a discussion to begin with when it comes to Eichel? And yeah, that's the best comparable no matter how you look at it.

In Ottawa case it's like trading a near guaranteed future Matthews and a near guaranteed future Pietrangelo plus 10th overall and more if they did the crap you're suggesting.

That is just simply NOT how trading a superstar like Eichel works. 95% of the time your getting a package of solid prospects and picks NONE of which has very high odds to be the same calibre of the superstar let alone 3 pieces that could potentially be BETTER. Especially an injury proned star who's never once played a playoff game and needs major surgery before his no trade clause kicks in lmfao

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21 Jul 2021 16:29:09
As for monix, strome = White sorry to tell you. Nothing outside boosted stats thanks to Panarin suggest otherwise. And that's being kind as without Panarin Strome was proven to be much worst than White. Just ask an Edmonton fan or Islanders fan.

No way in hell he's worth anywhere close to the 10th overall so don't joke like that again lol

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21 Jul 2021 16:25:38
You all are high on something and your responses further prove how biased you are against ottawa.

As good as Jack Eichel is, the actual asking price of Lafreniere plus Kakko plus the Rangers 1st this year and more.

And you still think based on that trade value that Lafreniere can net a return of Sanderson, Batherson, 2021 1st and one of Thomson, Grieg or a future 1st? And that is coming from a so called sens fan?

Lmfao your basically saying that everything the the sens got now will only ever amount to a 4th liner or 3rd pair guy at best and ain't worth more than a 4th, Stutzle, Tkachuk, and Chabot included. And that simply ain't even close to the truth and you know it.

Ottawa developes well, just look around the league for proof. Zibanejad, Stone, EK, Hoffman, Silverberg, etc. That means they do carry a lot more value than any of you give them credit for.

I'm saying that based on the actual Eichel trade asking price for new york, from Buffalo, ottawa could easily get Lafreniere for this price, and I would be right despite the insane beliefs I'm reading here.

So you are all going to have to come off your high horse somewhere here. Either I'm right and this is a great and dare I say overpayment for Lafreniere, or Buffalo is NUTS and are asking FAR too much for Eichel and likely won't even get half that asking price for him, especiallyin his current situation? Which is it guys?

Unless their name is Connor McDavid, Wayne Gretzky, Sydney Crosby, Alex Ovechkin, Gordie Howe, etc and they are under 25 years old, NO 1 player is worth a Top 10 pick, a guy just drafted 1st overall, a guy just drafted 2nd overall 2 years ago, and more. Especially a guy who is NOT a point a game player, or has ever played in an NHL playoff game, needs major surgery, has a known attitude in the locker room, is coming off one of the worst seasons yet, and could be injury proned lol. Yet some how he's worth all that and 1 of those pieces is somehow worth 90% of ottawa combined and the 10th overall?

Get freaking real. You guys are on some amazing drugs that's for sure!

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13 Jul 2021 14:40:34
Notacasual brown can crack an nhl roster no problem. The only reason he hasn't be given the chance with Ottawa yet is because he is so injury proned. It's been stated on many occasions and on many online sources. Just Google it if you disagree

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