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16 Mar 2021 01:19:10
Ott : Abramov, Tychonic, 2021 3rd

Buf : Peterka

And...

Ott : Thompson, 2021 4th

Chi : Reichel

Ottawa unites the German trio since they like the chemistry thing.

They already have the Tkachuk, Norris, L.Brown connections, the North Dakota connections, as well as the team Canada Batherson, Formenton connection. Why not add the German connection to boot?

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1.) 16 Mar 2021 11:45:20
As a sens fan I would love to see both these trades happen, but I think we would have to give up a bit more value in each trade.


2.) 16 Mar 2021 23:39:43
Ok so change the 3rd in Peterka deal to a 4th and add Sokolov. The Russian Boys together should cover Peterka value up to around 85%, while Tychonic and the 4th make up the difference.

And change the 4th in Reichel deal to a 3rd Thompson was a mid 1st himself and should still carry that value after only a year or 2 and therefore him alone should carry about 90% of Reichel value or more. Adding the 3rd should cover the difference.

It's not like either team is moving any old diminished peices here. Nor is either team moving a bonified super stud. And every player peice is a top 3 rounds pick over the last 3 to 4 years max, meaning they all still carry projection value.


 

 

08 Mar 2021 19:45:46
San Jose has very few prospects but they do have at least 1 prospect that most teams covet in Ryan Merkley so here's a thought I know will bring out the disapprovers lol c'mon Topshelf let's here your no back up logic here lol.

SJS : Merkley

OTT : Thompson, Abramov, Chlapic, Jarventie, and a 2021 3rd

Yes Sharks lose the best prospect in the deal in Merkley but they also fill out a few spots at the top of the farm like they did claiming Balcers. Thompson can still be a top 4 dman and plays a similar style to burns who can help him along. Jarventie is a high risk high reward type player who has shown brilliance so far and looks like he's on the way to success. Chlapic can already slip into a 3rd or 4th line role in nhl, Abramov is possibly even ready to go now in a middle 6 role he's just in a crazy competitive market right now in Ottawa with all the young talent in similar position. Add the 3rd and it's not a bad deal for either side as Ottawa gets a solid puck mover for the transition game and San jose turns 1 B+ prospect into 3 B prospects, 1 B- prospect, and a pick in first 3 rounds of the draft.

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1.) 08 Mar 2021 20:30:30
As a Sens fan, I don’t mind it. It’s quite a bit to give up for a minor upgrade, but if there sold on Merkley (maybe bcuz he could be ready this year) then they pull the trigger. Personally I’d want to keep Abramov tho. SJ likely does it as it replenishes their prospect pool- less of a sure thing in Thomson then Merkley, but lots of potential in the pick and other prospects.


2.) 08 Mar 2021 20:37:42
Markley is not worth that for the Sens.


3.) 08 Mar 2021 21:58:13
Just a note, Chlapik had his contract terminated by OTT, so he's just gone.

As for the trade, I'd say it's pretty close. It's basically Thomson and Abramov for Merkley, and considering Merkley hasn't been that fantastic, it's pretty even straight across, although Merkley may have more 'draft pedigree' or whatnot.


4.) 09 Mar 2021 04:30:49
I didn't realize Chlapic was gone already lol but don't sleep on Jarventie, he's a solid b prospect in his own right.

Merkley with the right team like Ottawa for instance, could break out huge. He and Sanderson together for instance would be a solid pair


 

 

01 Mar 2021 20:26:45
This one is a tad far fetched for both sides to be honest but with all the heat Eichel and Dahlin keep getting in Buffalo it could be possible.

BUF : Eichel, Dahlin, and Okposo/Skinner (BAD contract)

OTT : Chabot, Dadonov, Thompson, White, Zaitsev, L.Brown, Abramov, Formenton, 2021 2nd

Breakdown is basically Chabot Abramov and a 2nd for Dahlin as their Chabot value alone should put him pretty close to dahlins. And the rest of the package as is.

Dadonov and Zaitsev are both top 6 and 4 guys as is White essentially with the latter 2 having great bounce back years so far.

While Thompson and Brown are considered solid high end prospects with the latter being a project sure but with a change of scenery I believe he could flourish as he has shown signs of it just not getting the opportunities in Ottawa.

I am NOT including a 1st because I don't believe it's really needed with the surplus of prospects ottawa has and I have already included plus the taking back of 1 of 2 terrible contracts.

I also because of that surplus do not believe this goes against the rebuild either as it is essentially swapping defensive styles and the kids they want to build around aren't moving nor are they making a bad move if a likely lottery pick. Chabot can be replaced in this years draft as well.

Let's face it, most of ottawas prospects would likely be top 2 or 3 on any other team. Look at Balcers as a prime example back in San Jose

Sure Eichel probable won't win anything this year after this but come next year the team will likely be ready to compete thus speeding up the rebuild.

Stutzle Eichel Batherson
Tkachuk Norris C.Brown

Dahlin Branstrom
Sanderson Docker

Add a defense like Clarke in the draft.

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1.) 01 Mar 2021 21:46:40
Does ottawa have a 2021 or 2022 2nd? Or do they have derek stepan and matt Murray?


2.) 01 Mar 2021 23:09:26
And that’s how you destroy a rebuilding team..


3.) 02 Mar 2021 01:11:23
Chabot and a bucket of crap for the most hyped dman in NHL history and a 23 year old franchise centre. That’s laughable.


4.) 02 Mar 2021 01:42:55
NotACassual not with a team like Ottawa. They still have Tkachuk Batherson Norris Stutzle Pinto Grieg Jarventie C.Brown Sokolov Docker Sanderson Branstrom and Zub

They also still would have their possible lottery 1sts.

And both Eichel and Dahlin are young enough to fit the rebuild as well, while the bad contract no matter which one is still a veteran who can replace Dadonov leadership.


5.) 02 Mar 2021 01:45:23
Face-lift didn't they have 3 in 2021? And the Matt Murray deal was for the 2020 2nd not 2021 2nd


6.) 02 Mar 2021 03:43:12
Nylander really dude? Sure Dahlin is better Defensively than Chabot but Chabot has been blowing him out of the water offensively so far. Obviously there is a little more value in dahlin due to his hype but Abramov and the 2nd aren't exactly worth nothing. Abramov on most teams and like a lot of sens prospects would be an instant top 3 or 5 at worst prospect.

As for the Eichel part, clearly Eichel is a huge asset. But calling the rest of the trade from ottawas part a bucket of crap? I think you need to find a new sport to watch pal. Dadonov is a perenial 50 plus point guy who actually has played a playoff game or a few lol, white is a former calder cup consideration who's having a major bounce bad year after only 1 bad year, Zaitsev is actually back to top 4 form, Formenton is the FASTEST prospect in hockey with loads of potential to be even better than Batherson who just so happens to be the Sens current leading scorer, Brown with a change of scenery could possibly reach original expectations and become a top 3 or 6 center, and Thompson will most likely be a top 4 dman at worst and has drawn Brent Burns comparisons in how he plays.

How is any of that a bucket of crap in any way? Or are you just a sad leafs fan who's mad that Ottawa actually has more than enough to make something big like this happen? We can give you Stepan or Anisimov for a bag of pucks if you want? Lol


7.) 02 Mar 2021 04:34:49
@sens_able I like the thought process but I don’t think Sens should do it. I’d take Chabot over Dahlin right now honestly


8.) 02 Mar 2021 13:36:45
Bobby Orr, Denis Potvin, Paul Coffey, Lindstrom, Hedman, etc no one, literally no one was ever more hyped then Rasmus Dahlin going into a draft Dman take longer to develop but in 3 years time there is no question in my mind that Dahlin will be the best dman in the nhl.

If I’m the Sabres and I was offered Mathews for Dahlin I’d laugh and decline. Dahlin will be that good but dman take more time to develop. He’s 20 years old and on a awful team. Chabots like what? 3-4 years older? That’s a lot of development.


9.) 02 Mar 2021 15:41:53
Getting two franchise players is bad for a rebuild? Just keep Dahlin and Chabot out of the trade. The rest in comparison to Eichel is a bucket of crap. Who cares if Zaitsev is back to original form and Brown could maybe be a top 6 center, they don’t have value worth near as much as Eichel. got to give up one top piece then add from there. That means one of Tkachuk, Chabot, Stutzle, Sanderson.


10.) 02 Mar 2021 15:51:14
@ebsolutely I don’t think it would be smart to rush their rebuild. They aren’t ready to contend yet


11.) 02 Mar 2021 19:03:09
I'm not sure why Buffalo does this. The reasoning for chabot+ for dahlin can be made, but the add would be lots as dahlin is younger, more potential upside, and they drafted him.

This trade makes Buffalo older, while making them lose dahlin and eichel. A reasonable package to me, is Tkachuk, chabot, Norris and this year's 1st, no protection.


12.) 02 Mar 2021 20:09:36
If Eichel gets traded its for quality. The argument is to be made for DahlinChabot, but even at the basis that Chabot=Dahlin, which is most reasonable, Eichel isn't getting traded for quantity.

Eichel+Okposo gets one of Stutzle/ Tkachuk + Zaitsev/ White + Norris/ Batherson + some pick, which is a trade neither team should be really willing to do.


13.) 03 Mar 2021 12:50:01
You guys are crazy if you actually believe that. Eichel is NOT Gretzky guys. He's just NOT.

Erik Karlsson had one year left and was regarded as the number 3 player in hockey in his prime at the time of his trade and didn't even get a quarter of what you are suggesting Eichel should get, Stutzle Batherson and an unprotected lottery 1st? Don't make me laugh.

The asking price I believe is a top player, a top prospect, and a 1st (not lottery). You get that here with Dadonov or Zaitsev let alone both, Formenton or Thompson let alone both, and white plus the 2nd (which I could say if sens make playoffs this year becomes a 1st otherwise stays a 2nd). Not sure what the problem is?


14.) 03 Mar 2021 13:29:55
Eichel should get 3x as much as what Karlsson got. He plays a more valuable position, younger and not a pending UFA. Pending UFAs carrry little value.


15.) 03 Mar 2021 14:50:59
‘The asking price is a top prospect, top player and a 1st’

**Names Nikita Zaitsev, Alex Formenton and a 2nd as the equivalent pieces**.


16.) 03 Mar 2021 15:48:31
Topshelf yes a top prospect batherson is our leading scorer and top 6 guy right now, Formenton is expected to be better than he is plus is the FASTEST prospect in hockey at this point, that easily makes him a top prospect. And Thompson also qualifies here as he is projected to be a top 4 nhl dman at worst, was drafted round 1 less than 2 years ago so still carries 1st value, and has been compared stylistically to Brent Burns who I'm pretty sure is good at hockey? 😆

Dadonov easily qualifies as one of the teams BEST players and has been a perenial 50 to 60 point guy for a number of years now plus is signed for roughly the same timetable as Eichel. And Zaitsev, love him or hate him, is still a top 4 dman and currently the sens 2nd best on main roster in a lot of peoples eyes plus like Dadonov, is locked up long term.

As for White, he's currently bouncing back very nicely to top 6 form after a bad year where he didn't have a training camp in the same way Willy Nylander did in Toronto. Add a 2nd or conditional 2nd that becomes a 1st in 2021 if Ottawa makes playoffs and that more than covers a 1st in value.

On top of all that, when they say "a top player, a top prospect, and a 1st" they don't get to choose a SPECIFIC player. The team involved gives them options that fit the criteria to choose from. Usually that don't include players they are trying to aquire the asset to PLAY WITH and make the team better. That is why the team trading the BEST player will ALWAYS be at a disadvantage, and NOT in a position to FLEESE the AQUIRING team.

So again where is the problem? You still haven't exactly answered that. Am I wrong about the things I'm saying?


17.) 03 Mar 2021 15:55:05
Nylander on what planet is a Center more valuable than a dman?

Look around the league and do a head count. Bonified TOP 3 Centers vs Bonified Top 2 dmen. Guaranteed you'll find more Centers as Defense like that are a lot harder to come by. Most teams don't even have a true top 2 dman, while some teams have 2 top 3 centers. That makes Defense a much more valuable asset if they are good and Karlsson was the best when traded. I get that eichel is younger and signed longer but all that does is bridge that gap in value.


18.) 03 Mar 2021 16:13:31
Lol I would never do this from a sens perspective. Eichel and Dahlin put up great numbers but are proven losers, they have a contending team around them and still sit at bottom of league. Those are selfish players you don’t want in your locker room. Ottawa just needs to keep the core they have and let their prospects develop- not trade them before they actually become valuable. Commit to the rebuild, not give it up for losers that won’t win them anymore games and will strangle them cap wise.


19.) 03 Mar 2021 17:09:31
Oh, so its just you Babolski, I remember ya. Haha, no point in arguing with ya mate, I remember your old Ottawa posts, no matter what people would say about quality>quantity, you'd say that all the pieces are quality, xd.


20.) 04 Mar 2021 03:57:47
Topshelf all you seem to do is bash no rhyme no reason. I've given you the chance to make your case as to why it's not worth it but instead you just try to force your oppinion rather than back it up with facts or statistical evidence. I have backed up what I believe with concrete proof. The ball is in your court. Are you you going to actually do something about it or is bashing my beliefs of the matter without evidence as good as you got? Nothing I have said so far has been proven otherwise. You are just mad because you know I am right and have no way of proving otherwise because such a way does not exist. Call me what you will but at least back up your talk if possible 😆


 

 

 

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08 Apr 2021 20:51:37
Are you crazy? Take out Grieg and ottawas 1st. The rest as is should be well more than enough. They are already getting a quality top 6 guy in Batherson, a future top 4 defense in Thompson, what most league wide STILL consider a high end prospect in L. Brown and 2 2nds lol Matthew is solid yes but more than that? Let alone a likely lottery pick this and next year, and a solid future top 6 former 1st in grieg on top? You're talking McDavid level value or near to it which I'm sorry to tell you, Matthew is just NOT!

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06 Apr 2021 22:57:56
I would do it if it were a 2022 or 2023 1st but not if 2021. That would be a guarenteed late round 1st in a weak draft class. Basically a late 2nd in a normal year. I'd sooner take my chances on a random pick in 1 of next 2 years as there is more to be desired even late in those 1st rounds. Taking Neal should cost Edmonton more than a weak late 1st imo.

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24 Mar 2021 11:21:44
I'd be ok with this. But curious what the 2nd trade is? It looks like it was cut off lol

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16 Mar 2021 23:39:43
Ok so change the 3rd in Peterka deal to a 4th and add Sokolov. The Russian Boys together should cover Peterka value up to around 85%, while Tychonic and the 4th make up the difference.

And change the 4th in Reichel deal to a 3rd Thompson was a mid 1st himself and should still carry that value after only a year or 2 and therefore him alone should carry about 90% of Reichel value or more. Adding the 3rd should cover the difference.

It's not like either team is moving any old diminished peices here. Nor is either team moving a bonified super stud. And every player peice is a top 3 rounds pick over the last 3 to 4 years max, meaning they all still carry projection value.

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15 Mar 2021 23:50:50
I would do the Buffalo trade but not the Edmonton one. Anisimov contract ain't as bad as okposo one but still pretty bad but swapping Abramov for Peterka would be a great add to give Stutzle someone he has past chemistry with like Tkachuk with Norris and Logan Brown or like the North Dakota Boys. It would be cool to get him an possibly Reichel too

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