09 Oct 2019 14:12:31
To Winn
Matt Dumba

To Minn
Big Buff
2020 2nd
2020 1st(cond)
2021 1st(cond)

basically winnipeg hands minny the 2nd since it will take buff till christmas to really be ready

the 2 1st are conditions based on if Buff doesn't play this year at all Minny gets the 2 1st rounders

thoughts

09 Oct 2019 14:32:00
oh and buff is from minny. if he won't play in his home state then he won't play anywhere.

09 Oct 2019 14:48:16
No thanks from Winnipeg. The Jets won't be making any panic trades.

09 Oct 2019 15:32:12
how is this a panic trade. Dumba becomes the best D on the team. lol. you make a lot of panic comments.

09 Oct 2019 15:47:59
So if Byfuglien does play then it’s only Dumba and a 2nd? Not a chance. Plus I feel like a deal would only be made if a team knows for sure if he’s playing again or not.

09 Oct 2019 16:01:18
Minny laughs. Dumba way more valuable to them right now to trade for an older not even playing Buff.

What Buff is doing to Winnipeg is the biggest dick move ever. Bob McKenzie said last night he didn’t even skate or work out all off season. Then tells the team he might retire during training camp. Total blind side. Huge part of that team and he treats them like this leaving a massive hole they could have worked with if they had the time.

Minny laughs at this idea of Dumba for him.

09 Oct 2019 16:10:51
I call them panic trades because they are. They are incredibly poorly thought out and short sighted. The Jets would be giving up 2 firsts, one of which at least will likely be pretty good and a second for Dumba.

Dumba is a nice player, but he's not good enough to mortgage the future for.

09 Oct 2019 16:22:29
dumba and a 2nd is pretty close to market value for buff

i mean you could always just hold on to buff and "hope" he returns or take a good dman and a 2nd for him. pickers cants be choosers

i agree though only make deal if he guarentees he will play. that's fair. no conditions then. just dumba and 2nd for Buff (guarenteed he will play play)

09 Oct 2019 16:50:53
If Buff agrees to play, there is no chance the Jets would screw him over and trade him.

09 Oct 2019 17:17:24
wow, memarcusjoe, wow

if you read this trade proposal right youd read that the 2 1sts wound only happen if buff decided not to play ever again. wow

also, buff isn't playing for winnipeg so the question isn't if buff decides to play hockey again. its if this trade was proposed if he decides to play for minny. so winnipeg isn't screwing him over at all.

READ please.

09 Oct 2019 17:18:23
memarcusjoe,

do you know what a condition means in hockey terms. if not then please go look it up.

09 Oct 2019 17:48:30
during this debate we have established that the 2 conditional 1sts are off the table

this deal only happens if Buff says he will play for Minny, nothing else

now with that in mind

Dumba for Buff and a 2nd

is that fair market value?

what would need to be added for either side if not fair?

09 Oct 2019 18:29:45
Oh Craigger, your trades are always based on some idiotic premise. If Buff plays again it will be in Winnipeg, nowhere else. He won't be traded. He'll either come back and play for the Jets, or retire. At least put minimal effort and thought into your proposals to make them somewhat realistic.

09 Oct 2019 18:49:18
It’s a business Marcus. They 100% would “screw him over” and trade him. Especially if what yup said is true. And yes if they would trade him and a 2nd for Dumba, they’d jump all over it. But they can’t because it’s not enough IMO.

09 Oct 2019 19:27:15
Dumba>>>Buff with age and contract considered.

09 Oct 2019 19:28:50
That just shows how little you know about the Jets or TNSE, ebs. TNSE is a first class organization, they're nothing like the Mickey Mouse organization you're used to with the Oilers. There is zero chance the Jets talk Byfuglien out of retirement and then turn around and trade him. Unless he specifically asked to be moved, which he hasn't.

09 Oct 2019 20:08:19
Buff may want to play for a contender. The jets one year window has closed.

09 Oct 2019 20:17:41
Oh memarcusjoe,
Your responses are always based on some idiotic premise.
Last time i checked no significant UFA comes to winnipeg. Heck, atlanta had an easier time bringing in ufas of significance. How does this make winnipeg first class

FYI buff is from minny. That was the whole premise of this trade. If a player is having a hard time deciding to retire from the sport its very possible going home is the only way they will come out of retirement. See i'm the type of person who looks at it every way possible. I could personally care less either way if he retires or not. However, like many players they want to be closer to home. This trade does that. Just because your mind is so closed off to see multiple pausibilities to why he is even thinking of retiring doesn't mean my thought is wrong. If winnipeg was such a first class organisation like you say they are then i'm pretty sure they will explore this. If buff says he will come out of retirement if he got to play back home this classy organisation would look into máking it happen. Just because you think you know everything winnipeg doesn't mean you know buffs real thought. Insinuating the notion that you do know his thoughts and stating he hadnt asked for a trade anywhere when you truely don't know makes you very arrigant.

Winnipegs fans and management should only hope a deal like this falls in their lap. Saying you want to see him just sit and retire over getting a player to replace him is pretty silly. just like most of you comments.

09 Oct 2019 21:26:56
Once again Craigger you show your ignorance of the reality of hockey and of the Jets in particular.

You make up a foolish scenario in your head and then try to pass it off as fact. No one knows why Buff isn't playing, we can only speculate. So, a silly premise like yours just isn't realistic to talk about.

I never said I wouldn't take the deal for Buff, I just said it wouldn't happen.

Go back to the Leafs boards and discuss the one year window the Leafs have instead. The Leafs have 4 players overpaid by about 10 million total. Next year they lose almost all their defenseman and don't have any cap space to replace them with NHL players due to a poor GM and you still haven't won a playoff series.

The Leafs have to win it all this year or they are done. They've closed the window on themselves with bad contracts. Unlike the Jets who are barely starting to open their window.

09 Oct 2019 21:45:25
If Buff is indeed done playing then the Jets should just let him retire. If he still isn't sure by the middle of Nov then see if Buff wants to play for another team. If he does give any team he would want to play for permission to talk with him. He could then assure that team he would report, then a trade with the Jets can be made. This would be a win/ win/ win for both teams and Buff.

09 Oct 2019 22:37:22
Memarcusjoe,
Once again another person resorting to going off topic because they don't know how to debate.

Lets look at the situation. First off noone really knows why buff just up and is debating retirement. My solution is deal him for something of value to his home team just as a suggestion to see if he will unretire.

Your solution let him sit and wait it out

Both suggestions are fine and dandy. Not once did i state buff will come out of retirement if he went to minnesota. It was a suggestion. This site is based on suggestions. Do you actually think what you come up with is real. Its all speculation. Come back to reality. Suggesting and giving reason for that suggestion doesn't make you arragent. However, stating you actually know winnipegs managements rhinking and buffs thinking does. Everyone is allowed to suggest.

All i can say is noone just walks away from 35 million. Either he won a 35 million dollar lottery and said hell with hockey or he just isn't happy with something. Is it hockey related? Who knows. Did he ask for a trade and winnipeg said no so he retired? You don't know. what's wrong with suggesting a trade. If you don't like suggestions then i suggest you stop reading. Nothing is real and noone on these sites know the truth until it happens in real life. not my problem your close minded.

10 Oct 2019 02:17:30
Craigger,

As you've demonstrated you are totally ignorant of Byfuglien's situation. Buff isn't walking away from 35 million, he's only leaving 15.2 on the table. So, it's pretty obvious you have no idea of his situation.

No one would walk away from that kind of money you say? I guess Ilya Kovalchuk, who left 77 million on the table, and Andrew Luck, who left more, should have consulted with you first.

Not every player is greedy, to some, like Buff, having earned 65 million or so in his lifetime is good enough and they'd rather retire with their health and live a happy life.

But you want to speculate on a trade with a whole bunch of 'ifs' and somehow get a fair evalution. IF Buff doesn't want to retire, IF he wants to play, IF he doesn't want to play in Winnipeg, IF he'll only play for Minnesota, IF the Jets will agree to trade him.

There's just too many restrictions to make a realistic offer that will help both teams. So, not worth discussing.

10 Oct 2019 05:53:39
Damn, Craigger is slapping Memarcusjoe around like the clown he is.

10 Oct 2019 07:56:28
Bahaha! I don’t know if it should be biasjoe or bitterjoe?

10 Oct 2019 09:27:26
If a team is adding its Winnipeg. Buff is near the end if not already.

10 Oct 2019 10:26:38
Memarcusjoe,

You got to relax a bit. you're taking these proposals way too serious. I can speculate all i want. you're way too attavhed to buff.

Yes, i made an error in what Buff has remaining on his contract. I heard from someone on sportsnet he has 35 when in fact he has half that. Either way that's my error. me bad.

Still doesn't change my response.
As for kovalcuk he didn't retire from hockey he left the nhl to . oh what's this. go home. gee where did i read that reason before. oh yeah. i wrote it earlier.
As for andrew luck he retired for a whole differant reason. When youve been concused you start to look at the future in a whole differsnt light. Since luck has made 200 million in endorsements i'm thinking he is thinking long term here. Again, i'm speculating on luck but i'm sure he has a better readon than buff right now since he at leadt manned up and went to media with it. at least he gave fans closure.

Its not like anything we write here is real. Just so you know you speculating why buff has retired is no differant than my speculations. Its not like you know buff. You have the same info we all have. I try to find other angles and be creative while you sit in your little bubble thinking the world is juśt black and white. get a little grey it makes the world a little more fun.

10 Oct 2019 12:22:33
you suggesting "Not every player is greedy, to some, like Buff, having earned 65 million or so in his lifetime is good enough and they'd rather retire with their health and live a happy life. " is not differant than my suggestions. that's what they are suggestions.

Where you in a room with Buff and heard him say out of his mouth this is what he is doing? If your answer is no than you have no clue either. speculation is all any of this is.

bottom line you don't want Dumba for Buff and a 2nd. anything else you or myself speculated during this conversation is just that speculation.

Hate to see how you become if one of these speculations comes true. geesh.

10 Oct 2019 12:41:30
arrogance,
unpleasantly proud and behaving as if you are more important than, or know more than, other people:

memarcus joe, not once have i stated or acted like i know more than other people. having more than 1 idea about a situation is not arrogance its speculating.

only thinking the situation is what you think it is, that is arrogance.

10 Oct 2019 16:06:18
It's not the speculation that is bothersome Craigger. It's that you are completely ignorant on the player you are talking about.

You actually think Buff is being paid $17.5 mil a year?

Or, are you just poorly informed on Buff in general. Otherwise where did $35 mil come from?

10 Oct 2019 16:48:47
i admitted to the dollar owed amount. heard sportsnet person say he is owed 35 million. guess i either heard him wrong or he said it wrong but i already admitted to that mistake so why does it stillo bother you. do you hold grudges or something

he is owed 14 million.8 this year and 6 next year i believe but i might have reversed those. his cap hit to the jets is 7.6 million.

where you get that 17.5 million for 1 year i don't know. that was your own mis read. I thought he had 4-5 years remaining on his contract but he only has 2.again i already covered this.

anyways it really doesn't matter now as this conversation was lost ages ago.

10 Oct 2019 17:03:48
winnipeg can keep buff. this was merely a conversation to try and put a positive on such a negative situation. apparently some people just love having negative stuff around them.

10 Oct 2019 17:28:13
CraiGger Is Making very valid points here.

10 Oct 2019 17:46:40
Yeah, this debate was a hundred percent domination by Craigger. Homerjoe can’t get over his own ego and delusions. I think the guy really believes he’s part of the WPG . org with how he thinks he knows everything about them and what they’re thinking. It’s pretty depressing watching him on here tbh.

10 Oct 2019 18:13:56
i did screw up on the Contract value remaining on Buff though. so ill give mamarcus that one.