20 Nov 2021 21:21:51
Calgary Trades:
Sean Monahan (27-UFA2023@6.375mil)
To Montreal for:
Brendon Gallagher (29-UFA2027@6.5m)
OR Boston for:
Taylor Hall (30-UFA2025@6.0mil)
-Calgary needs a Right Shot RW
-Boston needs a 2nd line Center
-Montreal has Gallagher on 3rd line and maybe Dvorak isn't quite working out at 2nd line Center position.
20 Nov 2021 22:08:30
I don't know why Calgary would want to do the first deal and I don't think Hall waives to go to Calgary or that Boston wants to trade him yet.
20 Nov 2021 22:38:12
Calgary is in need of a Right Shot RW who can score
Boston is in need of a 2nd line Centre; and
Montreal needs to shake things up
I believe Hall would like to play in his Home Town and may even elevate his play in front of Friends and Family.
Does Boston need a Centre or Hall more is the question?
20 Nov 2021 23:33:18
Yes, Montreal may need to shake things up, but do you really want to take on Gallagher's contract?
Supposedly, Hall has wanted to play for Boston for quite a while, I don't see him being willing to waive that yet.
21 Nov 2021 10:11:16
Hall is a left shot LW. He can score, but the Flames already have too many good left shot LWs and Lucic too.
And like Marcus said Hall chose to play in Boston. He took quite a bit less money to stay there too than he could have gotten elsewhere. He won't be waiving his full NTC now.
21 Nov 2021 15:31:24
The trade makes sense but Hall seems happy playing in Boston so he won't wave his NMC at this time.
21 Nov 2021 20:27:05
Both Hall and Gallagher are 30 goal scorers IMO and it's debatable whether Monahan will get back there, but he's still fairly young and worth the gamble.
I understand Hall may be happy where he is in Boston, but I was thinking he'd contribute and be good insurance in case Gaudreau leaves Calgary. And I don't see the Gallagher contract being that bad, a bit long, but as long as he stays healthy and continues to produce and he's a Right Shot RW that everyone figures Calgary needs. Mangiapane and Tkachuk seem to be quite comfortable and effective on the Right side though IMO.
I'd like to see Monahan traded or even moved to the Left Wing position to focus on scoring and to open up a spot for Rucizka or Pelletier to be tried out at Centre:
FLAMES LINE 2:
Monahan/ T. Hall - Rucizka/ Pelletier - Mangiapane
or
Mangiapane - Rucizka/ Pelletier - B. Gallagher
LINE 3:
Coleman - Backlund - Dube
or better yet, Trade Dube to Seattle for Brandon Tanev
Coleman - Backlund - B. Tanev =Defensive yet Skilled Shut Down Line
Then Sutter can roll his Top 3 Lines, each line contributing more goals as well.
22 Nov 2021 07:31:38
Yes the Flames need a right shot RW but they already have plenty of players similar to Gallagher. Gritty hard working players who check, win puck battles and go into the tough areas. Coleman fills that role at RW on the 2nd line and neither of he nor Gallagher is going to replace Tkachuk on the first line.
What Calgary really needs is a sniper who's dangerous shooting from just about anywhere. The kind of shooter you don't want to give any time or space.
The Flames need a player like that more than ever now because Monahan was the best shooter they had but he hasn't been producing like he used to for over 2 years.
22 Nov 2021 18:55:36
So a floater, like Filip Forsberg, William Nylander, Patrick Laine or Vladimir Tarasenko? I'd prefer a guy that does it all AND puts the puck in the net, like Konecny or Gallagher, but I agree the other guys are more true snipers.
I believe Elias Lindholm could be that RW Sniper if put back on the RW again, but then we would need a #1 Centre and Tkachuk goes to the left side, essentially making Gaudreau expendable, no?
Still sounds like Gallagher would be better for the Flames than Monahan is right now. I give up on the Taylor Hall trade. Both Hall and Monahan were non-factors/ impacts in last nights game.
22 Nov 2021 19:47:23
For Gallagher the contract and injuries history make him difficult to trade and he doesn't worth Monahan.
22 Nov 2021 20:48:49
I wouldn't trade Gallagher for Monahan, he is the heart of the team.
22 Nov 2021 21:15:51
Same goes for Monahan TBH. Gallagher > or = to Monahan, as he's produced just as much as Monahan over the past few years, but in fewer games and he's also better defensively too. Monahan has his own health problem too and is currently recovering from an off-season surgery and isn't 100% himself and some believe he may still be playing injured, as he's not getting shots off like he once did.
23 Nov 2021 05:20:21
Forsberg, Nylander, Laine and Tarensenko are all snipers. I agree Laine is a floater but not the other three.
Laine may be the best pure sniper of the bunch but he's overpaid, the softest of the four and as an RFA again after this season he's more trouble than he's worth. Unless it's as a relatively cheap deadline rental.
Taresenko is the oldest, gets paid as much as Laine but if he's fully recovered now he may be the best of the bunch. He does have another year on his contract. And he's big. Big and skilled exactly they type of player Sutter likes. He'd be a good fit but probably costs too much.
Nylander was a floater until last year's playoffs when he was the only one of the Leafs top 4 who showed up to compete. The Leafs would be crazy to trade him now.
Forsberg is pretty good though he's had some injury issues. As a pending UFA the cost to get him should be bearable. He's going to want a hefty raise next year but if he likes playing in Calgary with all the other Swedes there (and I think he will) it shouldn't be too bad.
23 Nov 2021 18:24:33
Great Breakdown as always @MoxNix. I was using floater as someone primarily looking for an open space to unleash one-timers/ quick release shots as opposed to going in to the corners or boards to work and retrieve the puck.
I think one of Johnny Gaudreau or Matthew Tkachuk have to go to bring somebody great back and for the long-term good of the team, as we can't afford to keep all the upcoming UFA/ RFA's, so best trading partners would be Philadelphia and St. Louis respectively.
Gonna be much harder to move guys like Milan Lucic, Sean Monhan or Tyler Pitlick IMO, so guys like Dillon Dube, Jusso Valimaki, Adam Ruzicka and Jakob Pelletier and/ or High Draft Picks will need to be offered up to obtain a Top-6 guy. Best Trading partner seems like Seattle to me, hence my previous proposal for Jordan Eberle, Brandon Tanev and Carson Soucy.
I just don't want to give up the future for a rental, so I'd ideally like a sign and trade if it's for Filip Forsberg.
23 Nov 2021 18:34:50
I'd definitely be interested in William Nylander (UFA2024), I just don't know what we would/ could offer Toronto other than Matthew Tkachuk (RFA2022) to entice them, yet get good value back for Tkachuk as they are in win-now mode as well.
Only Toronto players I really like that might be available are Ilya Mikheyev (UFA 2022, super fast and dangerous on PK, just needs his shots to start going in the net) and Jack Campbell (UFA2022, who we don't need and will want a pay raise) .
And I agree with you on Patrick Laine, probably not the best fit for Sutter or the Flames.
23 Nov 2021 21:14:12
Tkachuk isn't going anywhere now and if he ever does it'll probably be to to St. Louis.
The Flames will resign him, the question is how much will it cost? He'll want more than his brother for sure ($8.25m/ yr) and if he plays hardball his qualifying offer is 9 million.
But they have to resign even it's just to trade him down the road. If they can sign him long term at price they can afford they'll likely make him captain too.
24 Nov 2021 01:32:18
That’s why I proposed the Trade for Tarasenko and Neighbors, but St. Louis may have to add something to that still.
If Tkachuk wants to stay in Calgary and be our Captain, fine, but he’s going to want $9-10/ mil per year to do so, which is a bit rich for me and would mean Gaudreau would very likely have to go, so we re-sign Mangiapane and Kylington. Unless we can move Monahan and/ or Lucic, which is what I have been proposing as well, but is seemingly very difficult.
Both Dube and Lucic have scored in today’s game already!
24 Nov 2021 20:31:33
Monahan could be moved, so could Lucic.
The issue is what it would cost to do it. No sense moving either if it takes retaining a big chunk of salary unless they're getting a pretty good and much cheaper young player back. Preferably one with at least 1 more year left on his contract after this one (the same as Monny and Looch) and RFA when his current contract expires. Pavel Zacha
And who's going to do that unless Calgary overpays with players, picks and prospects too?
If Monny is injured again (or still injured) they should send him off for another surgery now and put him on LTIR to save cap.
Looch is overpaid but he's still useful plus he's very popular with both fans and teammates. He's a huge improvement over Neal which cuts him a whole lot of slack on the salary.