15 Jun 2022 03:04:50
Assuming Gaudreau walks via Free Agency, what would it cost CGY for a Sign & Trade deal with VAN for JT Miller on a 5 years x $9.25mil or 6 years x $8.75mil type deal. Flames can easily afford it once Monahan &/or Lucic's contracts fall off the books.
Maybe Toffoli/Mangiapane + Valimaki + a 2nd?
Might be interested in Boeser too, but only @ $6mil/yr. Also, would Luke Schenn be a better replacement for Erik Gudbranson. The price is right on Schenn @ $850k.
15 Jun 2022 03:55:55
Might be slightly too high for Miller, but it’s a shorter contract and might be too low on Boeser, but I don’t believe he’ll get his $7.5mil qualifying offer. He should negotiate as opposed to holding out. Thanks think Boeser would do well playing with Tkachuk.
15 Jun 2022 12:46:52
Johnny wouldn't waive for Vancouver, will get more term and maybe more money too. Besides if Vancouver could afford to add a ~9 mil contract they'd just resign Miller.
15 Jun 2022 16:34:43
Not talking about Johnny going to VAN, I'm talking about CGY moving on from Johnny and pursuing/ signing JT Miller instead.
15 Jun 2022 17:25:01
Tkachuk-JT Miller-Boeser (Team USA)
Pelletier-Lindholm-Mangiapane
OR Toffoli-Lindholm-M. Phillips.
15 Jun 2022 17:49:40
Ah, not if it means losing Mangy but for Toffoli, Valimaki and a second sure.
Calgary would still need to find a way to get free of at least one of Monahan and Looch cap hits and probably both or one of them and Backlund. I really don't see Treliving moving Backlund because he's very good defensively (Miller isn't) and he's pretty much the glue that holds the Swedes on the team together.
15 Jun 2022 18:02:24
I would consider Mangy + Looch/ Monahan for Miller with an extension. Might not take it but I'd have to consider it.
15 Jun 2022 19:46:29
I'd prefer to keep Mang too, but what if he only wants to sign for 1 Year to become a Free Agent to pursue $6-7mil+!? At that price, I'd prefer Fiala or Boeser to be honest. I see them being 1st Line 1.00ppg players, whereas Mang might peak as a 0.67-0.75ppg player.
I'd hope they'd take Toffoli who was very successful in his 17 games there (8G/ 14PTS) . If they're interested in Monahan &/ or Lucic, that'd be even better. Would Monahan replace the 2nd OR would he need retention or only be worth a 3rd at this point? Retain $1.75mil on Lucic taking him down to $3.5mil to protect VAN's Young Guys in exchange for Luke Schenn!? Don't need the extra space for the JT Miller signing till 2024 either.
Mangiapane+Toffoli+Monahan+Valimaki+Lucic/ $1.75m retained FOR
JT Miller+Boeser+Schenn (Miller and Boeser signed to extensions for $15mil/ yr combined)
15 Jun 2022 23:28:48
I'd much rather keep Mangy than trade him for Boeser. Even if he gets the same money Boeser does (which won't happen) .
Fiala is another story but if the Flames can't afford to resign Mangy they certainly won't be able resign Fiala either.
Dunno how you figure Miller and Boeser resign for a combined 14.15 mil and Vancouver is dumb enough to trade them after getting them on great contracts. That's only 7 mil each, Boeser's QO is more than that and Miller will get more than Boeser does.
15 Jun 2022 23:32:55
I misread that, the 15 mil was for Miller and Boeser only, not all 3 Vancouver players. That's still only 7.5 million each. No way they'll sign for that, especially not without a full NMC.
16 Jun 2022 01:23:34
I doubt Boeser gets his $7.5mil QO and I doubt Fiala gets that much either. I’m predicting $5.8-$6.3 on a 2-3 year deal, maybe $6.5mil and if they can maintain their performance, they will get the big money. Both are better Snipers and Passers than Mang and Toffoli.
I was thinking $8.75-$9.25mil for JT Miller because he’s getting older and $6-6.25mil for Boeser. Fiala just had a great season, but Boeser already has a few under his belt. Boeser had a down year most likely because of his Dad’s declining health being on his mind (RIP Mr. Boeser), but a change of scenery and playing on the same line as fellow Team USA Star’s Tkachuk and JT Miller might be good for him, not to mention Team USA. VAN has Horvat and ton of other young guys they can continue to build around and continue with, along with guys like Monahan, Mang and/ or Toffoli and Valimaki as well.
16 Jun 2022 01:32:34
I see Mang getting $4.15-4.25mil but only signing for a couple years at that. He’d likely want $4.5-4.85 to sign for 3 years but that’d be his max. They want to see if he can crack 40 goals and go for that $6-$7.5mil pay day. He needs to get his assists up and help others score more though in order to get that pay day IMO.
16 Jun 2022 01:59:37
If Gaudreau would sign for 6 years @$8.5mil, that’d be fine, but I think he wants to go back East + could get more money at the same time. He’s not worth more than that to me TBH and certainly not mote than $9mil
I’d like Tkachuk to sign for $8.5 as well. If he only wants to sign for 3-4 years at that, fine, but I see him getting more like $8.75 x 8 years = $70 million, which is fine as well. Hoping he doesn’t go over $9mil either.
16 Jun 2022 04:09:07
The pundits are predicting 10-11 mil for Gaudreau but I think they're completely out to lunch. I see him getting around 9 mil/ yr but 10 is possible if he shops himself as a UFA. More than 10 and I say forget it. Calgary should be able to sign him for the lower end of that bracket, around 9 mil, maybe a bit less for an 8 year contract.
If Johnny won't sign for 9 or less I'd only sign him if it's without a highly restrictive NTC/ NMC attached so I can trade him. I still might keep him if it's not too much more, say 9.25 tops.
Tkachuk will get around 9 mil/ yr too. He may take slightly less for an 8 year contract too but I figure he winds up right around 9.25 mil/ yr.
If Matthew want's more than that it'd be a tougher decision. How much is too much depends on term and how restrictive any clauses are. If he asks for way too much or there are highly restrictive clauses then I'd just qualify him and trade him to the highest bidder.
16 Jun 2022 17:10:46
25% raises = $8.4375mil for Johnny and $8.75mil for Tkachuk.
I agree Tkachuk is deserving of more than Johnny since he was Drafted 6th Overall and will very likely produce several more 100+pts seasons in his career, whereas Johnny has only been able to do that twice and will be 29 in August, not to mention he's undersized. Draisaitl's Cap Hit is $8.5mil and Rantanen gets $9.25mil, but they both play Centre. Stone and Kucherov get $9.5, but either made it to the Finals or Won the Cup. Kaprizov @$9mil/ yr is arguably better than Tkachuk, so $8.75mil is fair in my estimation.
Johnny's more in line with Landeskog who only makes a $7mil Cap Hit or Tarasenko @$7.5mil. Kuznetsov @$7.8mil, Duchene @ $8mil, Hertl @$8.137mil, Zibanejad and Stamkos @$8.5mil all play Centre and 3 are Cup Champions, with Landeskog soon to be the 4th.
$8-$8.4375 is more than fair for Johnny, who will likely only continue to produce those numbers playing with Lindholm and Tkachuk or in Toronto with Matthews and Marner. He's probably only got 3-5 good seasons left in him, hence why I wouldn't sign him for more than 6 years unless he takes much less. Might be better to just go after Forsberg, Fiala and/ or Boeser and groom Pelletier &/ or Phillips to be the next Gaudreau.
16 Jun 2022 18:32:16
The problem is Johnny's camp is going to use overpaid players like Marner (very highly overpaid) as comparables. Marner is the perfect comparison for Johnny's camp to use. Similar type of player, a highly skilled playmaker but soft, non physical and though not as small as Gaudreau he is on the small side too. In fact after the way Johnny playeed this year I'd say Marner is the softer of the two and Gaudreau isn't as soft as everyone thought before Sutter got him playing the right way.
I'd rather have Forsberg or Fiala than Gaudreau, but I don't want Boeser period. Boeser is overrated, overpaid, soft and not very physical (with his size he should be more physical) .
16 Jun 2022 22:24:01
Marner may be overpaid, but he's also underrated and worth more than Gaudreau.
Drafted 4th overall, he's Excellent Defensively, Blocks Shots and Kills Penalties, where he can be Dangerous Offensively, Scoring 3 SHG's this season. He threw 75 Hits this year to Johnny's 10. He has 419 Career Takeaways to 382 Giveaways vs. Johnny's 368 to 689. He's substantially more consistent, continues to improve every season and has scored more than 1.14PPG+ 4 seasons in a row and he literally just turned 25. Marner can also play Centre and Win Faceoffs. Being a Right Shot also gives him more value.
At 0.82PPG/ 0.39GPG, Forsberg is the Best of the Three, but he's the Oldest at 27.75 and has not been able to play a full season the past 5 seasons. Boeser's just as good at 0.79PPG/ 0.37GPG and just had his 1st down year for reasons mentioned above. Fiala had a great contract year, but he's a career 0.675PPG/ 0.30GPG and is 26 vs. Boeser's 25.5. Forsberg is the better player overall with an ability to score 30-40+ Goals in a season, thus will cost more, but Boeser should be cheaper and at the same price would definitely be the better pickup than Fiala and having a Right Shot increases his value as well.
17 Jun 2022 04:42:14
Can't agree with that. Numbers aren't everything, Boeser fails the eye test.
17 Jun 2022 17:22:40
Fair enough, but numbers are facts and they support my argument.