23 Jan 2023 20:43:43
Toronto Trades
Kerfoot
Holl
Holmberg
Woll (AHL)
Niemela (SML)
1st Round Pick 2023
3rd Round Pick 2024
Vancouver Trades
Kuzmenko
Garland
LSchenn
With The Canucks after the coaching change about to make major roster changes as well this is the type of proposal I believe they will be looking at, it will also stockpile some prospects including a 1st Rounder and a 3rd Rounder as well as make them have a better chance at drafting BC Boy Bedard being worse for the rest of this season.
Leafs should be all in and simply put this would be a game changer imo getting these 3 players.
Thoughts ?
23 Jan 2023 23:27:06
- VCR declines. They will get offered more elsewhere, especially in separate trades.
- TOR doesn’t own a ‘24 3rd to trade.
- VCR says upgrade that ‘24 3rd to a 2nd, and give us your ‘24 4th for taking back Kerfoot’s contract. (There’s a cost for cap dumps in the NHL. )
- With these tweaks VCR says you get 2/ 3 of your trade targets, and since TOR is low on picks and top-end prospects, the deal as constituted is a no-go.
24 Jan 2023 04:05:25
Chickenfoot
If you where an NHL GM you would never get a trade made ever, your demands are unrealistic.
I can admit the 3rd Rounder in 2024 belongs to Arizona which I stand corrected, so make it a 2023 3rd Rounder which they do have.
As for value with Kuzmenko and LSchenn being UFAs after this season asking for what you are asking for is unrealistic.
Look at past trades no matter who it was at a deadline, if anything my proposal is to much to offer Vancouver.
24 Jan 2023 10:04:48
PINBALL…to be called “unrealistic” by the guy who posts the most one-sided, leaf-friendly scenarios is the greatest compliment you could make. Thank you!
I am happy for you that you “can admit” you can’t trade the same draft pick to two separate teams in two separate trades.
24 Jan 2023 10:36:38
If it’d cost a 3rd to dump Kerfoot just imagine what’d it cost to dump a less productive Josh Anderson.
24 Jan 2023 12:23:44
Doubt Holl waives his no trade clause to play for Vancouver. Not when the Leafs are in a better position. Vancouver may be looking to unload guys but they are going to get a lot for each of them individually come the deadline that will be be better than what they get from the Leafs here.
24 Jan 2023 12:37:18
VB - you and Pinball often seem like the same person for your “unique” insights. Wow?
Most GMs calling MTL ask about Anderson more than anyone else, according to insiders like Pierre Lebrun and Darren Dreger. Your opinion of Anderson shows that you really don’t see the game like hockey people do, and it looks hilarious in print.
Most would view a 6-3, 227 power forward, who skates like the wind, with 14 G in 45 games, a real addition to any playoff lineup. His performance in the playoffs 2 years ago when he rattled opposing D with his speedy zone entries and big hits would make him a key addition for ANY playoff lineup. At 5.5M x 4 more seasons, especially with a rising cap, you definitely have a uniquely hilarious view that somehow he’s a cap dump.
If he were to be traded it would be for a return that reflects his actual value as opposed to whatever it is that you see in him as a player.
Much like Pinball, the fact that you usually carry the opposite opinion to most hockey people, I can only imagine what you see and think when you watch a hockey game. Whatever it is that you see, I hope you’re enjoying it to the fullest?.
24 Jan 2023 13:57:43
You just described Zach Kassian game to an absolute tee and look at what the coyotes payed for him…. ohh wait. Yeah let’s be real if the rebuilding habs were offered anything of value for any of there plentyful veterans wingers they’d have been traded by now.
Kerfoot is literally outproducing Anderson in a lesser role while being a reliable PKer and centre. Anderson underlying metrics are awful and the only value he provides to GMs is the old school skate fast and hit hard GMs. He is not an asset to an analytical GM and that’s a fact. Now whether or not analytics speak the full tale is up to debate I actually believe a player like Anderson provides more value then what his stats represent but again black and white always holds more value then the eye test in the business world.
You don’t see any rumours of Kerfoot being available aside from Pinball including him in proposals which I’m assuming you consider him a credible source? But want to know who was on TSNs draft trade bait board last year? Josh Anderson being payed 5.5 million to produce at a sub 40 point pace over a 82 game pace.
My thoughts is Kerfoot and Anderson are equally valuable 3rd line players. Kerfoot is a Swiss Army knife at a cheaper cap his and Anderson provides a rare skill set for a 3rd line but don’t kid yourself thinking he holds value to a contender without retention.
24 Jan 2023 15:04:24
OMG…talking hockey with you is zany and funny for all the wrong reasons.
Kassian comparable to Anderson? Kerfoot not showing up in trade rumours besides Pinball’s? Lessons about the business world? Wow?
IF…Anderson were to be traded, or Horvat, whatever happens is likely to be “wholly different” from the stuff you write. That’s about the politest way it can be said. The eventual reality will be very different from whatever reality you’re working with.
24 Jan 2023 15:50:20
He’s only ever had more than 30 points twice in his career. At maybe 3.5M he would have medium to high value.
24 Jan 2023 23:00:07
Chicken foot vs the world
You said zero facts to support your obvious baseless claim. Also you made up some nonsense about how I compared Anderson to Kassian when in reality I said that he is a fast skater in proportion to his size who hits. Which is a fact. Anderson is obviously better but in reality he is overpaid that is only debated by people who have clear bias.
25 Jan 2023 02:05:07
“Vs the world”? ?. That’s HILARIOUS without trying to be. You may not have a firm grasp on things if you see things like that.
It’s really hard to take your opinions seriously. I’m quite sure that whatever happens at this trade deadline that the eventual reality will be much different than how you see things unfolding. Time always tells the truth. Eventually it’ll be obvious whose predictions made more sense?.