13 Mar 2023 15:01:26
At The Draft.
Arizona Trades
Crouse
Schmaltz
Cooley (Big-10)
1st Round Pick 2023 (Sens Pick)
3rd Round Pick 2023
Toronto Trades
Matthews
I have posted a similar type of Matthews trade proposal with Arizona, but think if it happens it won't have so many moving parts and really just a Matthews alone in a proposal.
Arizona makes the most sense compared to any other team, Matthews in Arizona gives them the franchise saviour, Matthews can never hurt The Leafs being in a different division.
July 1 Matthews NMC kicks in and he will be on an expiring contract, no way will Matthews be unsigned July 1 and not traded before, it would be too risky hoping he re-signs, I almost believe Dubas knows now Matthews will be traded at The Draft with what he did trading for so much for the last kick of the can with Matthews a Leaf.
You're Arizona and this type of proposal is wanted by Toronto to get Matthews, I believe Armstrong from his situation would agree giving up this package.
Looking forward to The Playoffs but the business part of the offseason I believe starts at The Draft, and besides Matthews I see Karlsson traded also, plus Philadelphia will be very active also, I predict one of the biggest draft days ever including Bedard part of it all.
Thoughts ?
13 Mar 2023 21:19:34
(Sigh) Another day, another pinball trade re Matthews to Arizona.
@pinball. How many days is this, anyway?
I’m going to assume that you aren’t doing this just to yank everyone’s chains and ask again, Why would the Coyotes do this?
You said so he can save the franchise. How? By helping them sell out a 5000 seat arena for the next 3 years? While they are paying him 12, 13, or 14m/ yr? This, when they have already been doing everything possible to cut costs?
By the time they get into their new, nhl standard arena (assuming it is approved), Matthews will be be 28-29 yrs old, and well into his next contract.
If they are banking on a trade like this to “save the franchise” now, then things are far worse than they look.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but the only rumours I’ve heard connecting Matthews to AZ are ones suggesting that he’ll simply go there as a ufa because he is from there. If that is remotely true, WHY would AZ gut their team and future to trade for him now if they can just sign him later? And, sign him closer to the time that their new arena is actually ready, and when their competitive window is hopefully starting to open?
For your Matthews to AZ post tomorrow, please include in your rationale that their gm is bent on career suicide, and/ or that their owner is another maverick that likes to do things simply because everyone else says they make no sense.
Chances are the Leafs will try to keep Matthews, and trade someone else (Nylander? ) to recoup for the future. But teams are recognizing more and more what a setback it is when their star players simply dump them for greener pastures.
13 Mar 2023 22:33:31
You forgot to include Knies because he is from there also. Leafs get to pick any combination of first round picks and players equaling six and get to send anyone they want with Matthews and Knies.
Makes as much sense as what has been suggested.
If Dubas is retained the big three get resigned for another five years each. If not then Matthews signing will drag on. Willy is looking at ten million also.
13 Mar 2023 23:16:28
@pinball
Nope, AZ is already surviving on league tv revenue, and will continue to do so until the arena is built, again, assuming the referendum is successful.
They aren’t worried about selling out the Mullet arena.
The long-view diehards and visiting team fans are gravy at this point.
13 Mar 2023 23:34:12
Burner89
Since you must not understand why Matthews helps Arizona huge, I will explain it to you.
TV deals and exposer goes up (Money) .
Arizona Matthews Jerseys bring in revenue.
The Team value goes up.
Arizona is better right away having him on the team.
Arizona I believe will push hard for Matthews "IF" Toronto decides to trade him, which I believe will happen at The Draft if he is still unsigned long term by then.
14 Mar 2023 02:10:15
@pinball
And I’m telling you that AZ can get Matthews ONE YEAR LATER AS A UFA, WITHOUT setting their team back 5+ years with these trades you are dreaming up.
Like I said, AZ will be just fine with league tv revenue until then.
I’m not the first one on this site to point this out to you, but you aren’t listening.
14 Mar 2023 03:00:31
Crawfordg
Leafs are not trading Knies!
The only reason Toronto would consider trading Matthews before July 1 is only because if he isn't signed, he could and just might walk as an UFA and The Leafs can't trade him after July 1.
It's more a situation they will be forced to do, I would rather keep Matthews but Matthews holds all the cards starting July 1, Knies is a prospect you don't trade.
14 Mar 2023 04:10:04
Burner - excellent points. Matthews will likely end up in the desert, but certainly not for a generous trade.
14 Mar 2023 06:31:00
Matthews wanna win, he s gonna sign on the west coast but in anaheim, good young core.
14 Mar 2023 16:53:08
Chickenfoot
You are still doubting what Dubas can pull off?
Arizona get's an extra year in signing him long term which also lowers his Cap hit being traded to the desert, plus having him next season.
Armstrong will offer a lot for Matthews if he is traded, and Dubas will take advantage of that imo.
14 Mar 2023 18:26:25
Hey Pinball, in a word, yes. I doubt Dubas will be the one to make the decision on Matthews' future, and that of the team. I suspect there are big changes coming for your team, but then again, I would have expected Dubas to be gone in each of the last 2 summers too.
If the leafs are out in the first round, there is no way he can return as GM. Even if they win a round that wouldn't save your job in any other market, but MLSE isn't particularly "results oriented", so who knows?
14 Mar 2023 18:38:59
In reference to Matthews, I love how "exposure" was misspelled "exposer" above.
Matthews was charged in 2019 for being an "exposer" for what he did to a female security guard in Arizona:
Matthews article
If you're a fan of irony, you have to see the humour in that. : )
14 Mar 2023 18:55:17
Like I said dumb Mathews won’t be traded when was the last playoff team that traded there best player ( not sold ) it has never happened and never will. Just dumb and pointless to talk about. Also Arizona is losing 30 million dollars a year. No way can they afford to pay Mathews 11 million.
14 Mar 2023 20:11:26
Chickenfoot
This year's team isn't the past ones, this is a solid deep team and once Knies is on this team even better, you are assuming they won't do anything in this upcoming playoffs, this time they are built for the playoffs.
And that's why Dubas will be running the show at The Draft and beyond, and Matthews will be traded "by Dubas" at The Draft if he isn't resigned by than.
My prediction, been right so far.
15 Mar 2023 12:38:54
PINBALL: we will see. Are you really that confident in your goaltending? The numbers don't support that, but I'm curious what your comfort level is on a scale of 1-10.
VB: why are you calling Matthews "dumb" above? He seems like an intelligent person.
You are going to absolutely melt down when Matthews inevitably says "he loves Toronto, but I would like to test the market via Free Agency to see what is out there before I consider where I'm going to sign. I love Toronto and the fans but. " (Otherwise known as, "I'm signing elsewhere, so you better trade me for something to recoup some value". )
15 Mar 2023 13:54:25
vbbvvbb
Wayne Gretzky traded after winning The Stanley Cup.
Any Player can be traded, maybe you are too young or weren't even born at that time, but yes it has happened.
Still think this will be maybe the busiest NHL Draft Day in history, as Philly is about to blow it up with their roster, Erik Karlsson etc.
Besides Matthews.
15 Mar 2023 19:34:24
PINBALL: I think you’re bang-on with Draft Trading activity this June. It will be interesting to see all the movement.
15 Mar 2023 20:23:53
Wayne Gretzky was never traded he was sold because the owner was in debt to the point where he could’ve potentially been homeless if he hadn’t have made that trade. It saved him from Bankruptcy.
@moxnix- if he comes out and says tomorrow “I hate Toronto, the staff and all of the fans. I’ll be heading to new team when my contract runs out. ” Then the leafs will simply hold him for another year and attempt another playoff run. Guarantee he won’t be traded.
16 Mar 2023 14:05:48
VB:
- Moxnix hasn't been here in forever. but you keep addressing him as if you're responding to him. What is up with THAT?
- Gretzky was traded. fact. Of course Pocklington needed the money, but there were assets traded each way. Everyone knows it was a trade. It's only you who is to stubborn to admit it because it means you wer wrong. again. You're making a fool of yourself.
16 Mar 2023 15:55:30
He's not going to get traded to Arizona at the draft. Why would Arizona mortgage their future for him when they can sign him the following offseason. Makes zero sense. But I don't even think Arizona is where he signs. He may be from there, but he has a certain lifestyle now that screams big city. He either stays in Toronto or he's heading west to the big city of LA.
16 Mar 2023 18:27:02
LA wouldn’t make sense they have Kopitar, Danault, Byfield, Vilardi, Turcotte, Thomas, Madden down the middle.
I don’t think Arizona makes sense either for what you said. I think if he leaves Dallas, Carolina or Miami is where he goes as a UFA not via trade.
17 Mar 2023 00:48:55
@vbbbvvbb so? Guarantee LA would prefer Matthews over everyone of them. All of those guys can be moved for winger depth or be moved to the wing themselves with the exception of Kopitar. Only other place I see is one of the Florida teams because he wouldn't get taxed on that salary if I'm not mistaken.
18 Mar 2023 17:49:09
Mostly saying LA doesn’t make sense because they have huge Money allocated to Kopitar and Doughty. Just don’t think Mathews is worth the cap space they’d spend on him compared to the other suggested teams.