22 Feb 2023 00:06:45
I have a very similar 3 way trade proposal like Toronto did on Friday with St.Louis and Minnesota.
Anaheim Trades
Lopina (AHL)
Chicago Trades
PKane*
*Chicago retains 50% of PKane's expiring contract.
Lopina was born in Chicago so that's why I choose him in my proposal.
Than.
Chicago Trades
Domi
Toronto Trades
Kerfoot
Engvall
NRobertson (LTIR)
Joey Anderson (AHL)
1st Round Pick 2024
Kerfoot and Engvall have to be part of my proposal because of Cap reasons.
Than.
Anaheim Trades
PKane*
Toronto Trades
4th Round Pick 2024
*Anaheim retains 25% of PKane's expiring contract.
The Leafs will be stacked upfront, yes Defense isn't addressed but I believe getting a Top Defenceman will be much more costly than on Forward, and Toronto keeps their Top Prospects.
Thoughts ?
1.) 22 Feb 2023
22 Feb 2023 12:41:21
I think Chicago gets more value for both Kane and Domi if they make trades separately. I wouldn't be surprised if Domi, as a rental, got a late first. He's having a pretty good season with 43 pts in 56 games this year.
Kane's value on the other hand, probably more around a 1st, a top prospect and a later pick.
So the trade is : Kerfoot, Engvall, Robertson, Anderson, 1st for Kane and Domi with an additional 4th given to Anaheim for more retention on Kane's contract. For Kane alone, this probably works, although I think Anaheim would maybe push for a better pick, since they have the longer end of the stick and don't really care whether the trade is made or not. A the same time, I'm pretty sure there would be a couple of teams hoarding cap space that wouldn't be against adding a 4th from practically nothing. Also, not sure how Kane's NTC works in a 3-way deal.
With Domi in the mix, what Toronto gives up is not enough.
2.) 22 Feb 2023
22 Feb 2023 13:46:43
matador12
The Trade Toronto did on Friday set the value on players on expiring contracts.
My proposal gives Chicago a better return than The Blues trade.
Look at what Toronto traded for ROR and Acciari, you have to understand Chicago isn't getting what you think they will, the cost has been set and what I proposed is pretty much right on with 2 expiring contracts.
3.) 22 Feb 2023
22 Feb 2023 14:14:40
Part of their value is the fact that they’re rentals, pinball. If they were on bigger deals, teams wouldn’t be calling as much for them, because contracts that last for a few years can anchor teams. Acciari is not nearly the same player as Domi, so I’m not sur you can compare both trades
4.) 22 Feb 2023
22 Feb 2023 14:31:12
Mustafarr
Yes it is comparable.
Gaudette an AHL player on a expiring contract.
Abarmov another AHL player and signed but so is NRobertson a better prospect, you add Joey Anderson that alone compensates the difference.
Kerfoot and Engvall have the same value as a 2nd and 3rd Rounder, and the third team Anaheim retaining salary is a 4th Rounder in that situation.
So to say it's not comparable makes no sense as it is very comparable.
5.) 22 Feb 2023
22 Feb 2023 14:45:30
MATADOR: Agreed. Teams always yield more trading deadline pieces separately whenever possible. Teams usually only have one 1st round pick and a handful of top prospects, so dealing separately is always more desirable for rebuilding teams to maximize their trade capital.
6.) 22 Feb 2023
22 Feb 2023 15:13:30
Exactly my thoughts @Mustafarr
7.) 22 Feb 2023
22 Feb 2023 15:25:23
@Pinballisback
It is not comparable. You're talking as if O'Reilly and Acciari have the same value as Kane and Domi. Kane's value is probably not that far from O'Reilly's value (probably a bit higher), but Domi, who's a solid 2nd line forward, has way more value than Acciari, who's a 4th line forward.
A more comparable offer from Chicago would be more along the lines of Kane and Lafferty, if Lafferty was on an expiring deal
Also, for a rebuilding team like Chicago, even if Kerfoot and Engvall are supposedly worth a 2nd and a 3rd, they hold barely any value to them since they're both on expiring contracts, unless they were to flip them immediatly after acquiring them. Contending teams want expiring contracts because they're RENTALS and can help them in the coming playoffs. Rebuilding teams want prospects, picks or restricted free agents, not expiring unrestricted free agents. In Chicago's perspective, those two pieces are basically cap dumps to make the trade fit under the cap.
8.) 22 Feb 2023
22 Feb 2023 16:30:09
matador12
In my proposal Chicago gets NRobertson, Joey Anderson and a 1st Round Pick 2024 for 2 expiring contracts, how isn't that not prospects for Chicago?
You are only focused on Kerfoot and Engvall not the main cost The Leafs are giving up.
Also tanking without being obvious is why a Team like Chicago will be trading Kane and Domi, they would Toews as well but he can't play right now maybe ever again.
Friday's deal set the bar of value in a similar situation, you don't think Toronto is giving more than they did getting ROR and Acciari?
Abramov and Gaudette are less players than NRobertson and Joey Anderson, and if you don't agree you haven't watched any of them play.
9.) 23 Feb 2023
22 Feb 2023 22:07:07
"You are only focused on Kerfoot and Engvall not the main cost The Leafs are giving up."
You were the one who brought them up saying their stacked value is what would sweeten the deal for Chicago, and I told you they were almost worthless for a rebuilding team and they're only included for cap purposes.
"Abramov and Gaudette are less players than NRobertson and Joey Anderson, and if you don't agree you haven't watched any of them play."
Well if you think this deal brings Kane AND Domi, you haven't watched any of them play.
Joey Anderson is 24 year old who's been good in the ahl but has barely produced at the nhl level, so he holds little to no value.
Nick Robertson is a small skilled forward but he's had injury issues and hasn't even played half seasons in both the ahl and nhl in the past seasons due to injuries so he's a risk.
You overvalue leafs prospects, like every fanbase overvalues their prospects.
Just to give you some perspective here is a similar trade to the one you're proposing involving Nashville and Chicago and i'll even give you their equivalent in leafs players:
NSH : Colton Sissons if he were a UFA (Kerfoot)
Tanner Jeannot (Engvall)
Luke Evangelista (Nick Robertson)
John Leonard (Joey Anderson)
1st Round Pick 2024
4th round pick to Anaheim for an additional 25% retention
Chicago : Kane (75% retained), Domi
Now before you say "Those two trades are not comparable" go look at every player mentionned and compare their stats to their leaf equivalent, you'll see that they are very similar.
Do you really think a deal like that would fetch Kane AND Domi?