05 Jun 2020 20:54:53
Jack Eichel Trade Offers [I tried to choose teams that are rebuilding and in dire need of a 1C; also tried quality over quantity approach] -->

Anaheim Trades: Hampus Lindholm, Rickard Rakell, Brayden Tracey, 2020 1st Round Draft Pick (Protected Top3)
Buffalo Trades: Jack Eichel, Colin Miller

Arizona Trades: Oliver Ekman-Larsson, Barrett Hayton, Antti Raanta, 2021 Unprotected 1st Round Pick
Buffalo Trades: Jack Eichel, Rasmus Ristolainen, 2020 2nd Round Pick

Columbus Trades: Pierre-Luc Dubois, David Savard, Oliver Bjorkstrand, Brandon Dubinsky, 2021 Unprotected 1st Round Draft Pick
Buffalo Trades: Jack Eichel, Kyle Okposo

Montreal Trades: Jonathan Drouin, Alex Romanov, Nick Suzuki, 2020 Unprotected 1st Round Draft Pick
Buffalo Trades: Jack Eichel

Nashville Trades: Mattias Ekholm, Ryan Johansen, 2021 Unprotected 1st Round Draft Pick
Buffalo Trades: Jack Eichel, Colin Miller

Ottawa Trades: Brady Tkachuk, Colin White, Logan Brown, 2020 1st Round Draft Pick (Lower of OTT/ SJS Picks)
Buffalo Trades: Jack Eichel, Colin Miller

Idk if any of these are close, but I do think the main premise of the deal should be at least 2 elite pieces + 1 first round pick. Eichel's trade value is one of the highest in the league, so I doubt he'd actually be traded, however, its not going to be for quantity, its likely going to be 2 big name pieces from whatever team he goes to (Tkachuk, Lindholm, Romanov, Dubois, OEL, etc. )

1.) 05 Jun 2020
05 Jun 2020 21:33:01
One thing Habs one change.

2.) 05 Jun 2020
05 Jun 2020 21:39:26
No thanks on the Montreal one. good post though. Well thought out.

3.) 05 Jun 2020
05 Jun 2020 23:05:25
These are really good trades honestly.

4.) 05 Jun 2020
05 Jun 2020 23:14:47
Didn’t even read all of them but Jack Eichel has a full NMC and wouldn’t want to go to a rebuilding team.

5.) 05 Jun 2020
05 Jun 2020 23:33:02
If Dorian gave anywhere close to that he would be assassinated. Change that 1st to the Islanders 1st, maybe add Ottawa's 1st in 2021 unprotected, and change Miller for Okposo, then change Tkachuk to anything outside the top 2 1sts, Chabot, Norris, or Branstrom. It is Ottawa afterall who has 1 of the best three farm teams in the league. Plus, You already have L. Brown and C. White in here for God sakes. Eichel is a great player but he's no Gretzky or McDavid, even Gretzky himself never got that much lol.


White
L. Brown
Isles 1st
Sens 2021 1st unprotected
1 of Batherson, Balcers, or Davidson.

For

Eichel
Okposo

Should be far more than enough. Ottawa getting fleeced should NOT be a prerequisite for every trade.

6.) 05 Jun 2020
05 Jun 2020 23:35:42
A couple good trades

A couple terrible trades

A couple meh

I can definitely tell which teams here you like, which teams you don't like, and which teams you couldn't care less either way about lol.

7.) 06 Jun 2020
06 Jun 2020 17:57:57
Ding ding ding. Balboski is the winner. These are all over the map. Like is Eichel worth the fortune that Ottawa and Montreal are paying, or is he worth the junk you suggest from Arizona? I think closer to the Arizona trade. He's got a big mouth and he is a selfish player and he costs too much. For some reason he is way overvalued by most of the guys on this site.

8.) 06 Jun 2020
06 Jun 2020 19:54:48
Once again Vbbbvvbb proves he knows nothing about hockey cause unless Eichel aged 4 years over night he is not eligible for a NTC/NMC. The CBA only allows players aged 27+ to have any sort of trade protection IF Eichel has a NTC it cannot kick in until he turns 27.

Also I proposed Petry + Suzuki + Norlinder + an unprotected 1st and someone said the Sabres would say don't call us we will call you but this offer is better some how than a top a coveted 4 RHD + Top 6 Centre + B+ prospect + 1st!?

Seeing as both offers had a 1st and Suzuki let's just compare the other two

Romanov = A+ Prospect > Norlinder = B+ prospect but both project to be top 4 D

Drouin is a proven young top 6 winger 50-70 point guy

9.) 06 Jun 2020
06 Jun 2020 19:58:00
Eichel's NMC doesn't kick in until the 2022-23 season so he can be traded anywhere, but would he report to a rebuilding team?

10.) 06 Jun 2020
06 Jun 2020 20:59:36
Why do some people act like they know Eichel? I’m sure he’d be happy to go to almost any team that wants him. I think there all really strong proposals and I think Eichel has a ton of value so they could be close.

Also wow St. Louis fan how can you say Arizona’s offer is junk? There giving up a top 10 D in the league, a top end goalie and a really high end prospect plus a 1st. I think they’d turn down that offer honestly.

11.) 06 Jun 2020
06 Jun 2020 21:49:42
Vbbbvvbb NMC and NTC do not come into effect until a player reaches 27! Therefore Eichel at 23 has NO say at all where he goes! This just once again proves how little you know about the sport! Keep trying though I am sure someone out there is naive enough to believe that you know what your talking about!

12.) 07 Jun 2020
07 Jun 2020 00:22:58
So mistakenly believing a NTC is already in effect when in reality it doesn’t kick in until a few more years “prove I know nothing about hockey” I’ve been playing competitive hockey for the past 14 years I’m 19 years old and while I was ignorant about the state of Jack Eichel NMC atleast I’m not completely delusional towards the habs. I don’t think Nick Suzuki and a couple of picks is worth one of the best players in hockey.

13.) 07 Jun 2020
07 Jun 2020 02:06:34
Hahaha. That's funny. Raanta is not a top end goalie and once Kuemper got hurt Raanta couldn't keep the team afloat. He's also only signed for two years. OEL is definitely not a top 10 defenceman in the league. I have never ever seen him ranked that high either on the official NHL list or on any analysts list. Hayton is a good prospect but has a long way to go and the first is a mod range first which doesn't carry much value. You talk like just because it is a 1st round pick it is a sure thing. It's not. It is far from a sure thing and more likely to be a bust than anything good at all.

14.) 07 Jun 2020
07 Jun 2020 13:30:11
Yah after OELs performance this season it’s hard to call him elite. I wouldn’t even call him a top 30 dman at this point.

15.) 07 Jun 2020
07 Jun 2020 15:52:04
Wow, I must have been gone for a while lol. There's actually a few smart hockey fans on here now days lol welcome to the party st. louisfan, campabee82, and absolutely, at least there is some hope for this site now haha.

16.) 07 Jun 2020
07 Jun 2020 16:08:24
Vbbvbb being 19 actually makes a lot of sense actually. Let me just tell you dude that the returns you might get on your video games where you rip off other teams beyond imagining will not pass in the real world. I know because I've been following the sport since you were in diapers kid.


Also noted that the Ottawa package you have here would be enough for Eichel and Dahlin. Think about it, it is the equivalent of a young Tomas Hertl, a better Matthew Tkachuk, a top 6 guaranteed possible top 3 pick, and an A prospect with Top 3 to top 6 center potential. Way too much for Eichel alone, let alone the fact you also want Ottawa to eat that Miller contract too. No thanks!

17.) 07 Jun 2020
07 Jun 2020 16:29:42
As for that God awful Arizona deal, like the other guy said before, Ranta is NO starting goalie lol he's barely a Backup goalie, Hayden is ok sure, OEL is solid but he's nearly in his twilight year's as a player, and that 2021 1st is basically a 2nd if that trade were accepted and you know it. Hall not likely to leave if they get Eichel and Kessel still there too.

So you basically trading Eichel for a high 2nd / very low 1st in a very weak draft, and old top 4 dman, a B+ prospect, and a backup goalie

Yet you expect Ottawa to give up a guaranteed top 6 winger, a guaranteed top 6 draft pick in a very deep draft, a middle 6 center who can easily bounce back to top 6 status as early as next year and is very comparable to Tomas Hertl, and an A prospect who just needs a little fine tuning and is very comparable to Nolan Patrick.

The Montreal trade all depends how they do in the play in round. A loss means this is too much for sure, a win makes it a bit closer but I would think if Montreal giving this much they would want Eichel and Jokijarju at least. I know I would.

18.) 07 Jun 2020
07 Jun 2020 17:09:04
Islandjet, I can name at least 1 rebuilding team he would definitely report to. Ottawa! Reason being, if Ottawa were to get him at a reasonable price and NOT pay the fortune some of you may mistake him to be worth, they would easily have the tools necessary to go from rebuild to contender in the next 1 or 2 seasons.

All they would need to do if they got Eichel at a reasonable price is make 2 more SERIOUS signings like Taylor Hall and Alex Pietrangelo. As well as buying out the last year or 2 of Anisimov contract.

Ottawa actually does have the cap space to make all of that happen. They are cap floor now, and about to offload a number of contracts on top of that like Boadker, Hainsey, and Andy all of which are 4+ million.

Adding Hall, and Eichel as well as either Pietrangelo, or Holtby, to the 2 top 6 picks they have coming, as well as the number of young solid talents already in the system would easily make them a contender again if not next year then the year after for sure.

Most Ottawa would need to give up for Eichel I'm thinking would be.

Islanders 1st 2020
White
L. Brown
Duclair
Gustafson
Batherson
Ottawa's 2nd 2021.

19.) 07 Jun 2020
07 Jun 2020 17:12:11
Literally everyone can easily see how biased you are towards the senators. It’s not even worth arguing.

20.) 07 Jun 2020
07 Jun 2020 17:55:15
That's NOT being biased at all vbbvbb you just don't know the difference. Despite what your video games tell you the value of players are, it's NOT even close.

Top 13 in a deep draft is major value despite what team owns it.

Batherson has loads of potential and will be a top 6 forward and has even been seen as Eichel Lite potential. He also has NHL experience and looked damn good in the process.

Brown is STILL an A- prospect, a work in progress? Yes, a project? Yes, but that doesn't lower his value.

Colin White in his bad year still had 2 more points than Tomas Hertl in his bad year and under a worst team to boot, does that diminish Hertl value too? Not a chance! So why would it finish whites value? White was one of the big pieces Joe Sakic wanted in the Duchene deal, he not only lived up to what Sakic saw in him during his rookie season, he obliterated that value by competing for the Calder. That raise in value doesn't dissapear after a softcore slump. GET REAL!

Gustafson is a very solid future starting goalie with at least a B+ Potential.

Duclair had a major career resergence unlike any other player this past couple years and is considered a top 6 goal scoring wing yet again.

Plus a 2nd next year.

It's pretty obvious how biased YOU are AGAINST Ottawa. You clearly don't bother to follow the sport in general outside your favourite teams. Unlike me, who does give credit where it is deserved even on the tea I don't like. You have yet to give true value to any sens player I remember.

Look at pageau you said he wouldn't get half of what he did get. And the funny part about that is he raised the level of his game this past year but according to you his value don't raise with it because it's 1 year yet you're the 1st one to claim Whites value goes down because of 1 bad year. Lol that makes you a hypothetic if anything.

21.) 07 Jun 2020
07 Jun 2020 17:57:49
U rlly can't argue w BAbs, my only thought process for ARZ is that OEL is a top30 ish dman in the league, and Hayton is def an A prospect. I don't even mind changing Raanta to Kuemper, i just thought Raanta, when not injured, is a damn good goalie.

The funny thing is, Logan Brown is an A prospect, and Barret Hayton is a B+?

Confusing.

22.) 07 Jun 2020
07 Jun 2020 18:38:09
Okay fair enough, I didn’t realize OEL had a down year. If he can have another 45-50 point season I think he’d be in top 15 ish D. He’s really solid at both ends and can score goals. Also Raanta was in the top 10 save percentage in the league. He’s definitely a top end goalie right now. Hayton also is a way higher end prospect than Brown. At this point that one isn’t even debatable.

23.) 08 Jun 2020
08 Jun 2020 14:28:54
Vbbbvvbb ignorance and age are not excuses for not fact checking your posts. Next time you want to make an argument make sure you fact check before you post it will go along way to earning you some credibility!

The package you said it would take from the Habs is equivalent to Nylander + Sandin + Robertson + 1st that is too much future for any team to give up. I originally offered Suzuki + Norlinder + 2 1sts which equals Nylander + Liljegren + 2 1sts Fair value IMHO without giving up too much of the future I then revised to Petry + Suzuki + Norlinder + 1st again equal Leafs value is Reilly + Nylander + Liljegren + 1st IMO this is a significant package and slight overpayment as both Reilly and Petry are top 4 puck moving D Petry gets a slight advantage as he is a RHD which is one of the most coveted and hardest positions to fill in the league however Reilly is younger so that balances out the value.

Nylander is equal to Suzuki because Nick is a 2 way centre which again holds more value than a scoring winger also Nick is slightly younger but Nylander has a few more years experience which offsets Nicks value as a young centre. So in conclusion Eichel is an elite Centre and will get the Sabres quite a haul but will most likely not cause the team trading for him to completely gut their future.

Eichel is getting a rep as a whiner that causes lockerroom issues as well. Is it true IDK but even just rumours can ruin a players value to other GM's just look at how bad MB devalued Patches before trading him. If MB hadn't said Patches was a cancer in the locker room he could have gotten Glass + Tatar + Suzuki + 2nd

24.) 08 Jun 2020
08 Jun 2020 18:26:38
If anyone can't be argued with its you topshelf and vbbvbb. I have yet to see you give proper respect to any sens assets assure from maybe Chabot and Tkachuk, and even that is debatable.

I seem to remember someone posted a trade a few years ago when the Isles had 12th and 13th overall involving Hoffman and a few other pieces for one of those picks, back before the Hoffman EK garbage that happened and you responded like those picks were gold and that the proposal wasn't even close even though Hoffman was a perennial 40 to 60 point guy and a proven goal scorer, yet somehow the Isle pick this year, which might I add will likely be in that same area of top 13 to 15 in a 10X better draft class somehow according to you carries no value because it currently belongs to the Sens.

You also get 1 bad year of White after completing a very solid rookie campaign and losing most of the guys he played with, all of a sudden out of nowhere loses all value, yet Hertl after terrible season didn't lose any value what so ever.

Then you got Brown who absolutely has a much higher ceiling than Hayden, that is NOT debatable, anyone can put up numbers playing with Lafreniere and Cozins for God sakes. You bad mouth the guy because he taking longer to hit potential yet guys like Nolan Patrick and Nico Hishier get the pass even though they are in the same predicament, why?

I have plenty more but I'll just end with Gustafson. He is 100% a future STARTING GOALIE yet according to you guys has no value because goalies are a dime a dozen, yet time and time again in your posts as well as vbbvbb posts I see you both include GOALIE PROSPECTS as the big part of a big trade. And half the time the goalies you include are not near as good as Gus nor do they have the potential he does.

Just look at that dumb offer you have for Eichel here for the sens, it's ridiculous to say the least. Not a chance in hell Eichel is worth half that. It's bad enough you include Tkachuk, with White, and L. Brown, but then you think that's still not enough you still add a top 6 pick possibly top 2 on top of that in deepest draft since 03.

To clear that up for everyone that is a guaranteed top 6 possible top 2 pick in a deep draft, plus a former 4th overall pick and recent Calder nominee Brady Tkachuk, a former 11th overall pick who yes is a project but does have an A grade ceiling and could be a top 3 center will be top 6 Logan Brown, and another recent Calder nominee and 21st overall pick Colin White for a guy who is already frustrated with the team he's on.

Yes Eichel is a great player, but that kind of haul? Not a chance! If that pick is top 4 that alone with maybe Gustafson and Balcers would be more than enough. Top 6 pick plus maybe Brown, and Davidson, and a 2nd next year tops, this package you have, Ottawa BETTER be getting Dahlin too, that is just insane. Even the Gretzky trade wasn't that crazy and he carried far more value than Eichel ever will and you know it.

25.) 08 Jun 2020
08 Jun 2020 18:45:03
Campabee82 I do agree with most of what you said up till the Petry to Rielly comparison lol. Don't know if I'd go that far lol Reilly is solid and more like Chabot who I would personally rank a lot higher that Petry lol no offense to Petry I just don't see him on that level. The rest though I do agree and I'm NOT a habs or leafs fan obviously lol.

If you want a bigger idea of how nuts these 2 guys are just look at some of my earlier Eichel proposals they bad mouthed lol specifically this one they said was nowhere near enough lol.

Eichel and Okposo

For

White, Gustafson, L. Brown, Dallas 2nd in 2020, Columbus 2nd in 2021, Ottawa's 1st in 2021, Islanders 1st in 2020, Rudolfs Balcers, and Filip Chlapic

They called it nowhere near enough for Eichel LMFAO

I mean seriously? All 5 of those players will be in the NHL no question, at least 2 will be top 6 guys, and at least 1 a starting goalie. Plus they get not 1 but 2 2nds, as well as a possible 13 to 15th overall pick in a deep draft, as well as an unprotected pick in next year's draft coming from Ottawa who is expected to be bad for a few more years at least making that pick a possible top 3.

And apperently that is NOT ENOUGH lol like really? Not enough? Do they want Chabot, Tkachuk, the top 2 picks this year, Branstrom, Docker, Thompson, Batherson, and Formenton too? That's just hockey ignorance and Bias.

26.) 09 Jun 2020
09 Jun 2020 10:42:03
The Real Balboski, oh I know that your offer had both quantity and quality for me it was too much from the Sens especially with taking back Okposo.

As for Petry he really is a lot better than he gets credit for. He plays more even strength minutes than Weber per game by almost a full minute, has a shot that is almost as hard as Weber's. Skates as Well as Reilly and can quarterback the power play without giving up anything is size or his defensive play.

Everyone says that Weber is the Habs number one Dman but the reality is more like Petry is 1A and Weber 1B. The Habs should and really could trade Weber and resign Petry and be no worse off on the right side but MB has a man crush on him so he will never be moved.

27.) 09 Jun 2020
09 Jun 2020 18:22:32
Oh no doubt he's solid and has played his best hockey since joining Habs, that's not even a debate, it is a fact. I'm not saying he's not skilled because he is.

I just can't justify him having equal value to guys like Chabot or Reilly. Those to not only have a better offensive output annually and are roughly the same as him defensively, but they are also 10 years younger and have yet to hit their prime, while he has been in his prime all along and is closing in on his twilight years. And despite what these guys say twilight, value is less than both Prime and potential values.

Example if Detroit offered Pittsburgh the 1st overall pick in this draft, Alexis Lafreniere, for Sydney Crosby, I say Pittsburgh would be dumb to refuse because they only got so many years of Crosby left and Lafreniere has an entire career length.

28.) 09 Jun 2020
09 Jun 2020 18:56:08
Oh and yeah I agree that that is a large price for Ottawa to pay but the reason I posted it is because of all teams Ottawa is probably in the best shape to do a trade like that without hurting their own future.

With guys like Pinto, Thompson, Soogard, Branstrom, Tkachuck, Batherson, Gustafson, Wolanin, Chabot, White, C. Brown, Norris, Balcers, Docker, Formenton, Tychonic, Abramov, Davidson, L. Brown, Chlapic, Hogberg, Duclair, and Daccord in their system now, and 14 picks over the 1st 3 rounds of the next 2 years worth of drafts, they can offer a large package like that to upgrade White as long as it don't include a top 6 pick, Chabot, Tkachuk, Branstrom, Thompson, Docker, or Norris, and as long as it only takes one of Batherson or Formenton, can't have both.

I say this because even if they had to give that much, bringing in Eichel who is still signed 6 years longer, and Drafting 2 top 6 picks would not only solidify the rebuild and give them that top line center they have needed for a while and some star power to play with, especially if Ottawa wins 1st overall pick as well as 2nd or 3rd overall pick. All of this together with Ottawa being a cap floor team now and bout to lose a bunch of dumb contracts, gives them the cap space, the money, and the bait to sign a big free agent or 2 that might actually make a difference. Say Taylor Hall, and/ or Alex Pietrangelo for 3 to 5 years or so. And that is while they keep Ryan contract too which will be gone by the time the kids need to be signed, so they would still have money there too if needed.

That is a literal possible mix of veterans and young guys involving,

Tkachuk Eichel Lafreniere
Hall (Rossi/ Stutzle) (Formenton/ Batherson)


Chabot Pietrangelo
Branstrom Docker

Soogard
Hogberg

That's a scary thought for most teams to play against don't you think?

29.) 10 Jun 2020
10 Jun 2020 14:42:39
Yes that would be a great lineup however I think the Blues resign Pietrangelo and trade one or two other assets to make the contract fit. Possibly Dunn or Schenn. Hall I think wants a cup now and as much as I would love to have him he probably signs with a team that is either near the end of a rebuild or who is competitive now. Both have complete control over where they go next. The only thing the Habs have over the Sens is Price and Weber are still considered two of the best players in the league by other players so someone might want to play with them doubtful though.

The Sens after this draft I think will be light years ahead of the Habs as far as the rebuild goes though unless by some miracle MB gets his head out of his butt and actually does something more than fringe moves this summer again it's unlikely though.

30.) 11 Jun 2020
11 Jun 2020 17:21:52
Oh definitely Habs got price and webs as intrigue for future signees no doubt, that's why I'm saying sens should pursue Eichel. Because between him and the 2 high picks plus Tkachuk and Chabot plus the current system, I think it would be tough for a free agent to pass on.

I mean even before the offseason sens are a cap floor team. So moving white even and letting boadker go to europe while bringing in Eichel still keeps them at cap floor. So with hainsey and Anderson contracts also expiring this year and anisimov and Ryan in the next year or 2, plus the cap going up. Sens are in a prime spot to lure in a quality veteran like that for a few years to not only mentor the kids but also put them in contention if the right guys. Without going over the cap, and still be in good position for future kids contracts. on top of all that, they could out bid other teams with price tag on short term deals, say over pay hall for 1st 3 years at 10 million a season then see if he will take a discount to like 5.5 or 6 million on next deal, if not, trade him in the end of the 2nd year for more high picks or top prospects. Win win for everyone.