30 Jan 2024 16:06:48
NSH : Joakim Kemell
MTL : Josh Anderson

Nashville has plenty of cap space and their top 9 winger position lacks depth and scoring. They get a hard playing, speedy, scoring winger who plays on the PK, can play of the PP and who's underperforming on a team with abysmal offense, which skews his production. The last 3 years with MTL show that he probably is a 20+ goal scorer on a better team, looking at his scoring pace :

20-21 : 17G/52GP -> 26G/82GP
21-22 : 19G/69GP -> 22G/82GP
22-23 : 21G/69GP -> 24G/82GP

Kemell is a mid-1st round selection in 2022, he's 19 and showing good offensive prowess in the AHL.

Some would say that it's a steep price to pay by giving up a promising 19 year old but Anderson's play style fits perfectly Nashville's needs, especially come playoff time while potentially adding a good amount of scoring, energy and *intangibles* to their lineup

1.) 30 Jan 2024
30 Jan 2024 18:19:35
Don't see Nashville as a fit for Anderson. think they would rather have Kemell as he is a pretty good prospect.

2.) 30 Jan 2024
30 Jan 2024 18:42:14
No one is paying to take on a cap dump. It will cost at least a couple unprotected firsts to dump Anderson and return a bad contract.

3.) 30 Jan 2024
30 Jan 2024 19:25:43
You make a compelling case as usual Matador, kudos.

I'm inclined to keep Anderson, because he's a rare combination of size and speed. He terrorized the opposing D with his size and speed on the cup run a few years ago. Anyone whose ever played the game can appreciate Anderson and what he brings.

Nonetheless, you're a thought-provoking read as usual. Cheers man.

4.) 31 Jan 2024
31 Jan 2024 03:28:34
« It will cost at least a couple unprotected firsts to dump Anderson and return a bad contract. »

What a bad take.

5.) 31 Jan 2024
31 Jan 2024 14:00:25
Actually not matador. I know a lot of fans in Montreal don't like to admit it, but Anderson is one of the 2 or 3 worst contracts in the league.

A pure, unadulterated cap dump. You can tell by all the exaggerating that you had to do to his stats above just to make him sound barely passable as a bottom sixer and adding the BS "intangibles" crap.

6.) 31 Jan 2024
31 Jan 2024 14:09:33
The same reason Montreal fans want to dump Anderson, he's massively overpaid for what he brings, is the same reasons no other team wants him.

You can't pay the 12th/ 13th forward on your team top 6 money for another 3 1/ 2 years.

7.) 31 Jan 2024
31 Jan 2024 15:39:30
Anderson is absolutely overpaid I don’t think any team takes him at his caphit that’s currently in a playoff spot. With that being said a team near the bottom of the standings would probably take him on for free. Maybe San Jose. Kemell for him is laughable. But no it wouldn’t take multiple 1sts to dump him and I don’t think he’s a top 5 worst contract. Just a 3rd liner being paid as a 2nd liner.

8.) 31 Jan 2024
31 Jan 2024 15:56:16
- it's been established that it would cost a 1st and a 3rd to move Jack Campbell, who isn't even an NHL player at this point.

- how can it possibly cost a "couple of unprotected 1st round picks" to move 3 more years of Josh Anderson's 5.5M contract?

- Anderson's contract represents 6.75% of his team's salary cap. Next year it represents 6.28%. To suggest trading 2 unprotected firsts is an absolutely hysterical over-reaction, especially since MTL probably won't come close to using all the LTIR space available to them for the life of Anderson's contract.

9.) 31 Jan 2024
31 Jan 2024 16:17:10
I would contend Chickenfoot, that Edmonton fans "hope and dream" it would only cost a first to dump Campbell. Reality is, no one is taking him if that is all they get. The exception being a team that decides to tank.

Instead of using a guess of what it takes to moves player, why not use an actual transaction?

Montreal has a perfect one. Calgary needed to pay a first to dump one year and $6.4 mil of Monahan. Why would dumping over 3 years of Anderson and over $16.5 mil of cap not cost more than a 1st?

To suggest any team is going to handcuff themselves with Anderson's contract because of "intangibles" for less is utter fantasy.

10.) 31 Jan 2024
31 Jan 2024 17:50:31
Yeah actually agree Campbell will cost more than a 1st and 3rd if it’s a straight cap dump and not taking a bad contract back.

11.) 31 Jan 2024
31 Jan 2024 18:09:26
MEMARCUS:

- I referenced a 1st and a 3rd, which has been widely reported. (You just mentioned the 1st above, so I just wanted to correct that. )

- If I'm MTL I'd take a 1st and a 3rd to take on that contract, especially if the 1st is a 2025 instead of a 2024. (MTL isn't close to contending, and has tonnes of LTIR space, especially after they move some of their UFA's. ) MTL could easily bury Campbell's contract in their system without needing to buy it out, so you bet I'd take the Campbell contract for a 1st & 3rd.

- regarding Anderson, I wouldn't want to move him, and I pointed out why I thought your suggestion to move him for "2 unprotected firsts" was a hysterical over-reaction. I respect you don't like the player, but two firsts? That's a big price to pay to solve a cap issue that doesn't exist.

- MTL isn't and won't be in a cap crunch during the life of Anderson's contract. CGY was desperate to offload Monahan so they could add to what they felt was a contending lineup at the time. MTL isn't a contender, and faces no such cap pressure. Why trade two firsts to solve a problem that doesn't exist?

12.) 31 Jan 2024
31 Jan 2024 18:59:19
Chickenfoot,

Yeah, I realized after I posted that I forgot the 3rd, but I was thinking 1st & 3rd when I wrote it.

I agreed that yes a tanking, or team that is not trying to compete might take on Campbell, even at a 1st & 3rd.

I can understand that Montreal isn't in a cap crunch and doesn't need to move Anderson, I agree keeping him is the smartest play. I wrote my response in context to the proposal from matador. No one it's paying assets to take on Anderson without either an equal bad contract going back or max retention. He absolutely is a negative value player.

So, having to pay a couple firsts to dump Anderson's full value contract isn't out of line with historic comparables like Monahan and Marleau.

Montreal's best bet would be to keep Anderson until he is a pending UFA and try and move him at that TDL with max retention. That may net a modest return depending on how Anderson is playing.

13.) 01 Feb 2024
01 Feb 2024 02:54:28
I respectfully disagree that Anderson is a negative value player. I think it’s safe to say we see the game very differently. I neither see the player nor his contract as burdensome in any way.

I’ll also add that for a player that’s been getting negative attention on here lately he sure seems to be getting in a lot of trade scenarios.

As for the Monahan & Marleau comparability, I just don’t see it. Both CGY & the leafs made those trades after mismanaging their cap situation. There is absolutely no comparison to be made with Anderson or the Habs.

Last but not least, you can be MTL is receiving calls on Anderson, but they’re not shopping him. He was outstanding in the Habs cup run. NJ was in on him not long ago too.

14.) 01 Feb 2024
01 Feb 2024 12:15:52
« The same reason Montreal fans want to dump Anderson, he's massively overpaid for what he brings, is the same reasons no other team wants him. »

No, the reason MTL fans wish for him to be traded is to get more assets for their rebuild, the same way they want Monahan traded. Also, I don’t know what MTL games you’ve watched but to claim that Anderson’s a 12/13th forward is rich. There is a market for him, his value is not negative (MTL reportedly got offered a 1st last season), GMs like his play style although he is overpaid. It looks like Hughes is getting calls on him but not biting. Tell me you’ve never watched a player play without telling me

15.) 01 Feb 2024
01 Feb 2024 12:16:23
Or that you’re just biaised because you hate the player for some time bscure reason

16.) 01 Feb 2024
01 Feb 2024 13:23:51
We'll have to agree to disagree Chickenfoot. The only trade scenarios you see on here and other sites involving Anderson are always Montreal fans trying to push Anderson on another team. It's been years since I've seen any opposing team ask for Anderson.

I did say that I agree that since Montreal isn't worried about cap space, they aren't under any pressure to move him. I'm just saying if they did decide to move Anderson, they are dealing with a negative value asset.

Respectfully, he's an average bottom 6 player being paid top 6 money. That doesn't hold positive value to anyone. I haven't seen any credible report from anyone other than Montreal writers about anyone wanting Anderson, so I think that's just Hughes trying to create a market where there isn't one.

17.) 01 Feb 2024
01 Feb 2024 13:37:16
I have enjoyed the discussion though Chickenfoot.

18.) 02 Feb 2024
02 Feb 2024 12:26:03
MEMARCUS: it's always a pleasure to talk hockey. Have a good Friday!