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20 Feb 2019 05:53:55
To winnipeg
Duchene
Stone-re signs taking home town discount.


To Ottawa
2019 1st rounder
2020 2nd rounder
2020 5th rounder
Comrie
Petan
Appleton.

Chris3155

1.) 20 Feb 2019 12:45:13
People have to stop with spare parts for proven talent. Just cause your team sees them as a rental doesn't lower thier value. other teams would crush this in hope of re- signing 1 if not both. If getting both, have to be 2 1sts at least.


2.) 20 Feb 2019 14:28:47
Tbh most people think they are smarter then actual GMs or over value some players ( everyone does it no matter how non bias they think they are) . And seeing these Stone trades really show it, personally I think Stone is a 1st line winger on any team in the league. Even as a rental ( with extra time to try to sign) he is worth at least a 1st rounders + at least a B+ to A level prospect and a minor roster player or AHL player. He is an amazing player.


3.) 20 Feb 2019 15:09:03
this is a pathetic offer for two star rentals lol and you think one will re-sign oh god.


4.) 20 Feb 2019 15:56:27
Where ever UFA's Stone and Duchene end up it would be interesting to see if they get a kings ransom like many posters here think they will get. Most likely they bring back draft choices, which the Sens really want and a prospect or two but not the crazy proposals that people believe the Jetswill part with. I'd agree that Comrie and draft choices will be part of the package but I would be surprised if it included more than a good B prospect.


5.) 20 Feb 2019 16:39:45
THEN YOU ARE NOT GETTING STONE OR DUCHENE you jets fans have got to be the most clueless iv ever seen regarding an offer for a STAR player its beyond bad how you legitimately think youll get a star player for crumbs.


6.) 20 Feb 2019 16:41:16
Here ya go take the two best players on our team and well gladly take two 3rd round picks and 3 guys who won't be of any impact, nice.


7.) 20 Feb 2019 17:16:09
Jets will not get Duchene or Stone unless a 1st or top prospect is included. At minimum.


8.) 20 Feb 2019 17:38:17
Islandjet the problem I’m seeing is that people think Petan is still a good B prospect, when in reality he’s not. He’s a fringe NHLer rn and probably will stay that way. He’s like Hudon in MTL can barely make the lineup and when In he’s on the 4th line. I’ll be honest I haven’t spent much time looking at the jets prospects but I do know Ottawa has a good goalie in there prospect pool so I doubt they would really want Comrie over another good prospect. And we all know there 1st is a later one but that’s what to be expected with these rental trades. I do see jets pushing for Stone and I do see them possibly paying a kings ransom for him.


9.) 20 Feb 2019 17:39:44
And you can even agree this is a bad proposal for Stone and Duchene with Stone resigning.


10.) 20 Feb 2019 18:19:33
Can’t see this one happening. At least one of Duchene or Stone would be playing third line. Winnipeg just doesn’t need those guys. They won’t be willing to pay the asking price because they would be third line players on Jets.


11.) 20 Feb 2019 18:54:36
People really over value rental player's returns based on emotion, not reality. I know Ottawa fans want to believe that they will be able to get all the pieces they need to complete their rebuild with the returns for these two players.

Unfortunately for them, they have a poor GM, that let the players get to a point where their value is the lowest.

In all likelihood the return for each one will be the historically well established maximum return of a 1st, B/ C prospect and an NHL ready player with moderate upside or a long shot player with higher upside. Then another pick conditional based on re-signing.

So, from the Jets it would be something like this: 1st, Stanley, Petan plus a conditional pick for re-signing.


12.) 20 Feb 2019 19:25:47
Its funny because 98% of the people who rip on you jets fans for your horrendous low ball offers for Stone or Duchene aren't even sens fans and we are just trying to get your brain to understand that you aren't getting a star player for bits and pieces of nothing.


13.) 20 Feb 2019 19:42:44
I find it funny how all these people who try to rip on the offers, only base their responses on emotion not reality. Maybe some of you actually believe giving away a top prospect for 2 months of a player is a good move? I don't know, but it is not based on reality.

It doesn't matter that you believe these players are gods. Rental players almost NEVER return top prospects and Stone and Duchene will be no different, especially in a buyer's market.

Go ahead and make a list of all the top prospects that have been given up for a rental. I don't think you'll get much past one.

The return is well established historically and is not near what the dreamers on this site believe.


14.) 20 Feb 2019 20:10:39
Martin erat got forsberg when he was a prospect.


15.) 20 Feb 2019 20:57:28
There you go, one example of a rental pulling a top prospect and it was an abject failure.

I think we've proven why these sky high asks are unrealistic.


16.) 20 Feb 2019 21:18:25
The fact you wouldn't risk trading Vesalainen (your top prospect), a prospect whose future is completely up in the air and potentially won't be an impact player for another 2-3 years on the jets, for a bonafide winger that increases the chances immensely to winning the stanley cup just blows my mind. And the fact you aren't even giving away any roster players either. man. The only unrealistic thing here is your own expectations for a deal.


17.) 20 Feb 2019 21:22:13
But look at this proposal no way in hell would this get both guys maybe 1 of them but not both.


18.) 20 Feb 2019 21:50:14
Notdelusional, now I see your problem. You don't have any idea who the Jets prospects are. Vesalainen well likely be playing with the Jets next year, not 2 our 3 years down the road, so you have no idea of the quality of the prospects you're talking about.

If you would be fine with your team throwing away top prospects for two months of a player that marginally (by 1 or 2%) improves your teams chances, by all means push for that position when the time comes. Smart fans and GM's though won't do it, which is why it doesn't happen.

I asked you to provide an example or two of where a top prospect was given up for a rental. I got one example that was a horrific disaster.

The fact you can't find any proves my point. Jets fans are basing their offer on reality and historically similar trades for rental players. You're expectations are entirely unrealistic and not backed by any historical precedent or examples. Just a poor understanding of the value of rental players compared to players with term.


19.) 20 Feb 2019 22:43:37
If you read what iv said before, i mention top prospect. I didn't say B or C prospects. All i'm saying is the jets will not get one of duchene or stone if a TOP prospect or 1st is not included. Also, you speak about historic and stuff when was the last time a player of value similar to Stone has been on the market prior to trade deadline, off the top of my head nobody. Stone is 26, in his prime and is a first line winger, you telling me he won't fetch a top prospect or 1st is criminal.

And i also said an impact player, not just being on the roster. But actually being a top 6 player putting up points and being productive. If you think Stone will only imporve the jets by 1-2% then you must think extremely highly of Ves. And to continue not once have i ever said Stone or whoever will get a ridiculous overpay, iv stated many times that he won't be traded unless a top prospect or a 1st is coming back in return so before going he ho on me take in mind what iv said please i don't just go on rants for no reason. i'm simply tellin you and islandjet you aren't getting a top player for bits, and history will back that up as well.


20.) 20 Feb 2019 23:18:21
So I’ll put my sense into this, notdelusional is trying to say the same thing as me, that the Jets won’t get a top player unless they are willing to part with a top prospect or 1st. And Marcus you just don’t want jets to sacrifice the farm in order for a better chance at the cup.

I agree that sending a top prospect for a rental doesn’t make much sense but if that’s the case and Jets think they can win the cup I say they do it. But in general all these posts are annoying because the only way a jets fan agrees is if it is an underwhelming offer but that won’t be the reality at all, they simply won’t get a top player and will have to settle for a lesser player then.

And besides I’m pretty positive Ottawa has had talks with Stone about an extension and only Duchene so far has been confirmed to be traded at the deadline or before. So no more Stone to jets because I don’t think it will happen. And last thing, Stone and Duchene have different values and definitely would not be traded together in one package there’s no way the other team could send back what would be necessary to complete that. So let’s stop butting heads and talk about other trade options 😂.


21.) 20 Feb 2019 23:46:23
Remember the Jets are the 2nd youngest team in the NHL with 4 or 5 A prospects NHL ready next year, if Maurice doesn't want to keep seasoning them another year, so they aren't in a desperate win now or go down hill mode. Winnipeg will not give away top prospects for a rental that in 3 years may not be as good as what posters want the Jets to trade now. Also with the Seattle draft coming soon it will be good to have younger players that will be protected by the rules of the draft.


 

 

01 Feb 2019 08:27:17
Trade 1
To wpg
Kronwall

To Detroit
2020 5th round
2020 6th round
Suess , lipon

Trade 2

To wpg
Stone

To ottawa
2019 1st round
2019 3rd round
Petan , dano

Chris3155

1.) 01 Feb 2019 12:42:20
Winnipeg seems to give up too much in both suggestions.


2.) 01 Feb 2019 14:57:55
The Jets don't need Kronwall, but if they wanted him for depth, I would take everything out except the 6th.

Stone would be a no go. That is way to much to give up for a rental.


3.) 01 Feb 2019 16:14:09
It would be great for the Jets to get Stone but it has to be for a reasonable price and this offer is too much to give for a rental.


4.) 09 Feb 2019 18:19:30
A huge no from Ottawa that 1st is trash and petan Dano Not good enough to make up for that unless wpg takes smith and Gaborik too, no retention.


 

 

 

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