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09 Dec 2018 14:43:08
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09 Dec 2018 07:26:50
Goalie Bob. Has a NMC, making $7.425M a year now.
What will happen with this guy.
Going to be 31 years old end of Sept 2019 start of next season.

What kind of offer will he be thrown, by who? And when?

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09 Dec 2018 05:19:11
To all..sorry about my recent behavior..its quite obvious I have some things to deal with. We all don't need to agree.. however, even though we do not know each other.. I do believe we can call ourselves all freinds..and fans . Please accept my apologies. To those who dont.. I understand.

Now to hockey... are the Flames for real????.....
Outta the top 3 Canadian teams.. Toronto,.. Winnipeg and Calgary, in a 7 game series.. I have to take the Flames

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09 Dec 2018 05:25:26
Flames are right up there among the best when they are getting good goaltending but that's not always the case. It's for sure their weakest link as they are pretty deep everywhere else and have a lot of good young players either all ready playing or getting close to being ready.

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09 Dec 2018 05:35:08
What I see. Balance. Finesse, Scoring. Grinding., Toughness.
. and. experienced Goalie.


I will take the Flames ovet the other 2 Canadian powers due to toughness and. You all going to laugh. Smith.

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09 Dec 2018 07:06:07
I can't believe you would take them over the leafs.

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09 Dec 2018 07:17:07
They are on fire! No pun intended 🙊
9-1-1 last 11. Wow. Smith started out so bad and has turned it around. So good for them! Neal and Bennet haven't even been producing like crazy! That top line is insane! I actually thought that Hamilton/ Ferland for Hannifin/ Lindholm trade was a lose but wow did coach Peters sure know what he wanted and got in those two. Lincolm unreal fit with Mono/ Johny.
They seem to be well rounded.
As to who I would take in a best of 7 series for Canadian teams? i would take the Jets.

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09 Dec 2018 16:57:38
Of the 3 Canadian teams mention I believe that the Jets are a team that is built for the rigors of the playoffs. If the refs don't put their whistles away, as they do every playoffs, then I could see the Flames in the western final against the Jets, if they can get by the Preds, with the winner having a very good chance to be the 1st Canadian team to win the cup since the 90's. The Leafs have to get through Boston, and Tampa to reach the cup finals and that could be very hard task unless they improve their defense.

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09 Dec 2018 18:31:19
I would probably pick winniped for the best team out of the three but i'm excited to see what toronto will do at the trade deadline. if they are able to add to their defense maybe i would pick toronto. Winnipeg vs toronto stanley cup final 2019 now that would be something.

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08 Dec 2018 13:47:13
Just to clarify a Habby post, Tampa has never banned opposing fans from wearing gear in the stadium. There is a premium section which is like 5% of the stadium where it’s banned. They aren’t the first or only team to do it, I believe Pens even did it last year, but Tampa was the only one that the media has made a big deal about probably because of how often they play original 6 teams in the playoffs. It’s actually not that uncommon in the NHL to have a small section like that.

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08 Dec 2018 16:50:17
Yeah, it’s in 2 luxury seat areas. Right by the glass so that probably helps the image on tv too. Friend of mine was in Colorado on business a week or so ago and went to an Avs game. They have the same ‘Lexus Lounge’ as in Tampa and same rules applied. He said access to the suite was like $300, all food and drink included before, during and for an hour after the game but no opposing jerseys allowed. I’ve sat in the ‘Ford FanDeck’ in Toronto a few times and no opposing jerseys or gear allowed in their either, and those aren’t luxury seats by any means, just so much of the ACC, or scoriabank arena now is corporatebthat it’s an area for the true fan to enjoy.

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08 Dec 2018 21:03:44
Yeah ok believe that if you want. What about the fact they also restricted ticket sales to only those with a florida address? Sort of backfired against the habs though when they realized how many hab fans actually live in florida lol. You are right they are not the only ones who have done something similar to this but they are in that group of teams that sometimes have just as many opposing team fans at their games as their own fans. Which is what we were talking about in the first place.

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08 Dec 2018 21:36:23
Yeah. Lots of teams do the local ticket sales only. Nashville even did that for the playoffs vs Chicago.

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09 Dec 2018 00:16:49
Ya Habby, Tampa hasn’t done anything that other teams haven’t, just stop trying to make it like they are doing outrageous stuff unheard of things, nothing they do is uncommon outside the original 6. Tampa doesn’t have nearly as many problems with opposing fans as you seem to think, they obviously have some it’s the nature of being a winter travel destination and having snowbirds.

I don’t really blame people for making back their season ticket costs selling 5 games a year to Hab and leaf fans, and they’re just at the point where the first generation of people who grew up cheering for the team are buying tickets and raising families. The number of jersey switchers is decreasing which to me is the big thing.

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09 Dec 2018 00:17:46
Yes jim, that's another place that shouldn't have a team. Give them 3 or 4 straight years of sucking and and see what happens. tampas avg attendance went down close to 5000 a game a few years back when they had 2 bad years in a row. I bet they weren't selling tickets to just locals then. Non local fans kept them going in those years.

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09 Dec 2018 01:43:01
It's more then just original 6 teams that don't have to do this jbs. It's only those teams with a fragile fan base that have to do things like this.

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09 Dec 2018 08:15:17
Habby what you're saying is beyond ridiculous.
You are aware that we currently are at ~165 sellout in a row? And don't tell that's because of opposing teams fans, because that certainly wouldn't help fill the arena when we're playing the Islanders, Coyotes, Sharks or whatever else's teams fans certainly don't come to TB for a game.
We've build a big fan base during the last decade and while - thanks to the superb roster management by Yzerman - it's unlikely that we'll suck any time soon, I am willing to take any bet that our avg attendance wouldn't drop by 5000 or anything close to that again.

And as jbs said, the jersey policies we have during the playoffs is something most teams do.

Still thinking that hockey doesn't belong in TB (or in the South) in general just proves that you're an out-dated fan. Have fun watching the Habs battle some other Original 6 team like the Wings or Rangers for 26th place in the standings while discussing players +/ - stats and complaining how 'soft' hockey has gotten. This is 100% you lol.

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09 Dec 2018 14:30:23
And before any other tampa fan gets their panties in a knot over this the post was not created to put down what tampa is doing it was to express wAys that buffalo could control the amount of sabre fans in attendence that's all, no big deal no need to get so defensive over something that there is nothing wrong with or that a lot of other teams does. is it?

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09 Dec 2018 14:44:59
Ok triplets first off tampa has built a decent fan base and I would keep the team there. Florida on the other hand I would move as I don't think florida/ tampa has a big enough fan base to support two teams. That being said If you don't think your fan base is at least slightly fragile your kidding yourself. Of course your filling the stadium now with a 1st place team but I'll check back after a few down years and show you the stats again. Again Tampa in general has still been ok with regards to attendence and deserve to keep the team so you don't have to accuse me of being against teams from down south. but yes hockey is too soft for my liking and eventhough +_ doesn't tell us everything about a player it's still a useful stat sometimes.

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09 Dec 2018 14:52:17
Habby I’ve literally pointed out teams like Nashville and Pitt do it, Jim said Toronto has the same jersey rules. Preds did the ticket restriction in the regular season. And fans of North teams getting tickets by having a Florida shipping address isn’t some gotcha moment, you really think teams in Florida are unaware of snowbirds? The hockey doesn’t belong in the south is an old, overused rhetoric by people who have never experienced or care to learn about the teams that are successful.

Since ESPN started tracking capacity in 05-06 Tampa has been outside top of 10 in attendance % 4 times, all at the beginning of that period. The attendance increase has more to do with the owner than winning as they have had 3 top 10 picks in that time. They also include standing room only in their capacity so unlike Chicago and Montreal they can’t go over 100%. Just because a team isn’t in a place as cold as yours is doesn’t mean they’re struggling, and just because they are in a place that’s cold doesn’t mean they are successful, but being in.

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07 Dec 2018 20:00:05
Just kinda piggybacking off Habbys post about not selling out arenas and visiting fans taking over, Buffalo/ Toronto situation could be crazy.

If sabres make the playoffs and match up against Toronto it could make for some great games. Both these teams haven’t been good at the same time for a long long time so meaningful games have been few and far between. Now with the Eichel vs Matthews matchup and close proximity, hopefully it’s a good rivalry again.

But it’s well known (watch last weeks game highlights) that leaf fans take over their building on those nights. When Matthews scores in overtime, it looked like 80% of the Lower bowl was cheering in a leafs sweater. How bad would that be in a playoff series? It would be like 7 road games for the sabres.

I’m not saying that as a chirp, I legit feel bad for their fans. They support their team really well and have suffered through a lot like we did and a few other teams. They deserve a great playoff experience too. But how do you ensure that?

On the radio they were saying that they could jack the price to match Toronto’s ticket price so it’s not appealing for leaf fans. First of all, they would still go. Secondly, how would it feel if you’re a sabres fan who paid $60-100 for tickets for years supporting this team while they were crap and first sniff of playoffs and they ask you for $400 to see a game?! Even though they’re apparently doing it for your own good, I wouldn’t be able to not feel insanely gouged and taken advantage of. I dunno how they solve that, but I would love to see that series.

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07 Dec 2018 21:12:05
Buffalo is a little different as they once had a decent fan base that I think should start to return especially in a playoff series. I think against tampa a few years ago in the playoffs they didn't allow habs fans to wear their jerseys so I guess they could do that again to keep up appearances. But it would a tough job to keep the fans silent. Like in Ottawa when montreal scores the fans are louder then when the Sens score lol.

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08 Dec 2018 05:37:23
Didn’t allow fans to wear their jerseys, are you serious?

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08 Dec 2018 06:01:36
@leafs17 yeah it was something like that they talked about it on hockey night in canada. i'm sure there is a report of it somewhere on the web.

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08 Dec 2018 06:05:39
Yeah it's easy to find they done it again the next couple years with rangers and penguins fans among others.

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08 Dec 2018 13:44:01
Habby that’s not true at all. There’s a small section of the stadium that’s like premium club seats where it isn’t allowed, rest of the stadium is free game. Most teams do it, including Pitt last year, but people only seemed to make a big deal of it when Tampa did. It’s like 5% of the stadium and premium club seating, they don’t ban opposing team gear from the stadium.

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08 Dec 2018 21:00:38
Yeah, i just don’t know how you really control it. I know some teams in multiple sports started doing that you couldn’t purchase tickets without a local zip code, but even then they get them on the secondary market or many people I know have NY zip code or a P. O. Box in the buffalo area for their business or personal shipping needs. Just a tough situation, but I have a lot of respect for sabres fans. I go down to a game there a cpl Times a year and mingle with them and they’re, for the most part, extremely knowledgeable and passionate. They deserve some good seasons.

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08 Dec 2018 21:04:47
So it's not true at all but you admit they do it for 5% of the stadium? Lol even there own p. r guy said it's actually 7.2% of the stadium. From what I heard from friends who were at some of the games I was talking about I'd say it's closer to 40% of the stadium but that ban along with the ticket sale ban you probably be looking at 50% or more.

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07 Dec 2018 03:53:02
Whatever they tell you the attendance was in the florida game last night cut that number in half and you will be close to what the actual attendance was. Milli vannilli could put more people InThe seats.

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07 Dec 2018 04:16:56
Haha watching their game last friday (I think) against buffalo, the barn looked just over half full and half of those people were wearing sabres jerseys because sabres were on the crazy run and the bills played in Miami on the Sunday. So brutal, send them to Quebec.

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07 Dec 2018 05:28:58
Yeah it's crazy. they are lucky canadian teams play there 15 or so times a year really helps pay the bills.

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07 Dec 2018 14:47:23
Yeah, I have a few friends going down next week for leafs in Tampa and leafs/ panthers. Always a great showing of leaf fans between people travelling down for it and people up from up here who spend winters in FLA. Same with Montreal, lots of snowbirds from both cities down there during the season.

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07 Dec 2018 16:39:10
When Tampa plays in Sunrise it’s half empty and half to 3/ 4 of the people there drove from Tampa. I get that teams don’t sell out when they aren’t winning but teams like Florida and Arizona have really pushed it, would love to see Florida move to Quebec.

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07 Dec 2018 17:33:45
I don’t know if it’s poor marketing or just way down the list of entertainment options in the Miami area, because they have some good players, guys that would be so easily marketed in other cities. Ekblad and Barkov at the top of that list obviously, but even hiberdeau would be much more appreciated elsewhere. A real good ownership group hiring smart hockey guys and getting to start with that core should be able to make a real success of them in Quebec.

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09 Dec 2018 03:40:35
Florida should be moved jbs. Along with Arizona and Carolina and if there is nowhere else to go just take them out of the league all together. Should only be 26 teams anyway 28 tops.

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06 Dec 2018 11:30:23
Where would you rank klefbom as a defenseman in the nhl.

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06 Dec 2018 13:18:56
Close to 90th.

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06 Dec 2018 14:39:49
Around 40th.

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06 Dec 2018 15:18:20
Just about every team has someone better, a lot have 2 better and some like nashville, Carolina and Anaheim have 3+ better. So I don’t see with those numbers how he could be any higher than 55-60th.

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06 Dec 2018 15:34:21
Giordano, Brodie, doughty, muzzin, Karlsson, Burns, vlasic, lindholm, Fowler, Ekman-Larson, Schmidt.

Without even thinking, that’s 11 in his own division alone that are miles better, not consodering guys that would be in his range and personal preference would determine rank like Manson, hanifin, Colin Miller etc and not including young guys that look almost as good already with far more potential like Montour, theadore, Chychrun etc.

Go team by team and there’s no way he would be better than 60th in my opinion.

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06 Dec 2018 15:52:53
One thing all of those guys have in common are they don't play on the oilers lol. you got to take in consideration how bad this team has been cause if klefbom is on an actual good team he would look as good or better then a few of those guys.

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06 Dec 2018 16:41:00
Possibly a cpl, that’s why I said there’s guys in his range that could go either way. But the first 11 guys on that list and countless others from other divisions would be better regardless of team. I could make a list of the dmen from across the league and i would be very shocked if he was higher than 60th, but who knows.

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06 Dec 2018 18:25:01
Your right there are probably 20 dmen who are in the same range that are really too close to call. i just feel he's starting to come into his own now and IMO has a slight edge on a lot of those guys. Plus hitch should help his development too. I also think by seasons end if he doesn't get injured. a lot more people will be praising his play a bit more.

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06 Dec 2018 19:03:24
Yeah, I think when you do these ranks, guys always have certain guys they like more than others that are so close. Almost easier to do tiers like people were doing with the top young centres a cpl weeks ago.

Also because once you have 5 guys that are pretty equal skill wise but different styles, you’re going to lean towards your own personal team need. Like I would say Colin Miller over klefbom for the right shot, or Manson over kelefbom for the right shot and physicality that we need. And where a habs or oilers fan may choose a more mobile/ offensive guy over them.

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07 Dec 2018 01:10:03
Wow Jim you sure watch an absolute ton of hockey. Lots of the Oilers and western team games are over close to or after midnight in the east too, Impressive.

Klefbom is 4th in total time on ice this season for all players. Behind only Doughty, Seth Jones, Letang.
And tied for 21st for points for all D men with only 3 goals after a slow start.
He's having a very very solid season so far for his team.
He's better than Schmidt, Muzzin and Brodie 😂😂. And in the same group maybe better than some other mentioned. He deserves a little more credit for the season he's having. Not an amazing superstar or elite by no means. Don't take what I say the wrong way.
That's all I'll say on this. Not interested in some kind of argument. I'm just very happy he's having a good year after a down year last year, he was one of my keys to this season and he's. It disappointing.

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07 Dec 2018 02:02:54
I like klefbom because of his ability to play effectively for 25+ mins a game. not all dmen can do that. I'm not sure miller could actually for any stretch of time. Manson looks like he could but yeah like you say it would come down to what you value more between those two. I like them both.

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07 Dec 2018 03:36:28
@yupp. He’s a decent player. I never said a bad word about him lol 55th-60th in a 31 team is basically calling him a top pair. But until he does it longer, he’s a low end top pair. That should not be offensive.

I see you don’t want to argue because in 3 days you never responded to the Bob Nicholson quotes. You call me out again about how Seattle has nothing to do with Edmonton and when the CEO of the franchise says otherwise, you disappear. Once again, Habby and I were having a good discussion, agreeing on some things and disagreeing on others and keeping it civil. Then you have to run your mouth lol

I do watch a lot of west games. I’m up late every night. If there’s a game on, I’m usually tuned in for some if not all of it. I’m surprised you watch the oilers since you didn’t know who is the assistant gm or know that they were a possibility to be moved out of that division as of Tuesday at the BOG meetings. You don’t have to agree with everything, you don’t have to like leaf fans or me personally, but like i said before just don’t be a pompous ass talking down to people when in reality every time you post, you come off as more and more uneducated.

Did Seattle have ANYTHiNG to do with Edmonton? Did you read the article? Are you man enough to say you did? Or just ghost the site for a cpl days and come back the same tool you were when you had no idea that I was right when oilers and coyotes were both on the ballot for moving divisions? Or just be a whiner about me saying your Dman is a top 60 out of 210+ dmen in the league. Buck up big man.

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07 Dec 2018 03:54:59
@habby, For sure. If he was a righty, I would love to add klefbom. We need a solid minute muncher but on the Right side. Problem is on the left side he doesn’t touch Rielly and dermott looks like a real player built for today’s game and he’s playing for so cheap still. Which is why I would take Manson or Miller who I feel are in the 55-65th range too and shouldn’t feel bad about that lol.

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07 Dec 2018 04:19:41
Also @yupp, just got home, hawks and Vegas on Sportsnet. 8 min left in the 2nd Can I please Stay up to watch it?!? 🥺 lol.

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07 Dec 2018 12:42:47
Not sure why you're so offended, I complimented you on something I found impressive.
Haven't been on much lately because working 14 hr busy days now. Also have zero interest in responding to much you say lately. Thanks tho. 👍
I apologize I don't have much time to come on here the last few days, Hope you'll be ok buddy. 🙏.

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07 Dec 2018 14:29:05
No, it wasn’t a compliment, it was a backhanded sarcastic comment like everyone on here knows you do after you make a mistake. You called me out for being wrong, then it’s shown it wasn’t wrong, it was correct info, so instead of acknowledging that you double down on being a dick again by implying I’m making up the fact I watch late games because there’s no way someone in the eastern time zone could stay up past midnight to watch hockey, right? you prove my ‘pompous ass’ analysis everytime you talk. You’re wrong so you insult people so you can stay high up looking down. If you’re too busy for the site, then be too busy for me too. You were away for 3 days and read the comments. No arguments lol.

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08 Dec 2018 06:33:27
Top 75.

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08 Dec 2018 12:22:40
I can't believe you kept tabs on how long I was away. You really are my shadow. Sorry you feel offended I never gave you attention. get over it and whine somewhere else.

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08 Dec 2018 17:05:10
Habby said klefbom would be around 40th, but agreed with atleast some of my reasoning why I would have him 55-60th, hotguubabes has him 75th and vbb has him 90th and I’m the only one you go after lol and I’m your shadow? 😂

I’ll tell you klefbom is a top 10 Dman if it will make you feel better. Everyone, including you will know it’s complete BS but if that’s what it will take for you not to feel picked on, I’ll say it. I’d just rather say things as I actually see them than cater to the needs of a thin skinned man on a self constructed pedestal. Klefbom is a good player. Not a star, not a plug. On a 31 team league, each team carries 7 dmen, some 8, that’s about 225 dmen. That puts him in the top 25-30%. What’s wrong with that?!? Lol.

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08 Dec 2018 20:05:41
Jake Gardiner has played top 4 minutes basically his whole career as has klefbom. He has broke 30 pts 5 of 7 NHL seasons, 40 twice and 50 once and is a minus 1 player. He’s been a positive corsi player every single season of his 8 seasons including this one.

Klefbom has broke 30 pts once in 6 nhl seasons (adjust for injuries he may have done it another time or two) is a minus 35ish player (adjust for injuries probably would have been worse) and has been a positive corsi player 3 times in his career. His icetime is almost as much as Seth Jones so he’s elite? ! lol isn’t that just another condemning mistake by Chiarelli? Traded a hart trophy forward for a top D and yet you’re still requires to play Klefbom as much as the best D in the world?!

They’re different players, I’m aware, but if someone told me Gardiner was 55-60th best player at his position in the best league in the world, that would be a flattering comment lol but I’ll leep my word and tell you what you need to hear.

klefbom is a legit elite Dman in the game today, and it would be robbery if he doesn’t get Norris consideration because he’s a legit top Dman on a good team that’s as good or better than the guys i named earlier like doughty, burns, Karlsson, Giordano, vlasic, muzzin etc.

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08 Dec 2018 21:01:16
Jimmy and Yupp are having they're first fight!

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08 Dec 2018 21:50:39
Just calling him a big baby! I'm not even reading what he writes. keep more tabs on me my shadow. Won't be responding to you much anyways. You do have an incredible amount of hockey knowledge with how much you watch of every team in the league tho, that IS impressive and I'm giving you props, again. 👊👊.
Sorry for the compliment, sure you'll feel offended in some way and whine about it. I don't give a fuk.

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09 Dec 2018 04:51:13
I think Klefbom would be really good second pairing dman on teams with good d-depth, or a not so great top pairing d man on teams without good-depth. Top 75 IMO but still young with room to grow vs. a lot of guys on the list that are better right now but won’t be for much longer.

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09 Dec 2018 14:56:03
@ unsportsmanlike, don’t say what you really think lol anything less than elite is offensive. YUPPS got to be the guy trying to get Christmas songs pulled off the radio if Klefbom being called only a top pair D is offensive lol 😂 😂 😂.

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06 Dec 2018 00:46:33
So I saw that Pitt was looking around for options on Kessel. I would think the pens would only trade him to a western team and I immidietly thought of another struggling team that was supposed to succeed, the Blues. Ik they have also looked at option for tarasenko so I think, with a couple of extra pieces a trade could work out there. i'd assume they'd have similar value. What do you guys think?

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06 Dec 2018 02:02:20
I think with taresnko being 5 years younger he would have more value. plus we can assume he'd put up better numbers in Pitts playing with crosby or malkin then he has playing with schenn and o reilly.

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06 Dec 2018 05:27:16
Yeah, tarasenko being younger and signed for an extra year is worth more. Would also be a tough one to pull off because tarasenko has a full NTC and although he may welcome a change and a chance to play with Malkin, Kessel has some say and picks 8 teams he will go to. St. Louis could be a harder sell for him at this point. Interesting thought though.

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06 Dec 2018 18:42:46
Why on gods green earth would we trade tarasenko in his prime for kessel who is tons older. Makes zero Sense. Horrible thought.

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05 Dec 2018 22:46:08
if you haven't seen ryan reeves post game interview after the hit, please find it and watch it. wilson ran into a lion in the jungle.

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06 Dec 2018 02:03:18
Yeah I think it's pretty safe to assume he's ready to rumble anytime with Wilson.

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05 Dec 2018 20:15:36
Looks like there are 13 potential names for Seattle my top 2 from the list are the emeralds and rainiers

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05 Dec 2018 22:16:10
I like the name emeralds too, just Seattle Emeralds doesn’t really roll of the tongue lol I’ll have to see the whole list.

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06 Dec 2018 01:21:00
Just checked the list. I’m a fan of how Seattle sockeyes sounds, and I like the history of the Metropolitans.

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06 Dec 2018 00:36:45
I think they should use the Seattle Mets.

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06 Dec 2018 01:53:03
I could go with the metropolitans too not that I really like it but just because that's what the old team was called.

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06 Dec 2018 05:29:37
Yeah, it would be awkward with the division being called that too, I’m just kind of a sucker for the nostalgia of sports. I love retro jerseys, visiting the old stadiums and ballparks etc. So when a team has a chance to rejuvenate the past names/ logos it’s an easy sell to me lol.

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06 Dec 2018 12:10:54
I thought I read that Mets wasn’t submitted and Bettman already said, in the presser after the announcement, that they would not me called the Mets. I know league won’t consider but I think they should be the Sasquatch. There’s a twitter account with a great logo for it already.

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