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13 Aug 2018 20:46:34
Who would you say are the top 5/10 prospects right now?

My list (in no order)
Dahlin
Svechnikov
Petterson
Middlestadt
Necas/Tolvanen/Zadina/Heiskanen
Strome?(if he counts)

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13 Aug 2018 22:02:50
Maybe dahlin should be on the list but I would think right now the better of the prospects would be guys not drafted this summer. In order for this years crop to pass a guy like mittlestadt they would have to show something more this season. dahlin is deserving cause he's so hyped and went 1st overall and is as close to a sure thing as you can get. i'm interested to see what petterson can do he should get plenty of quality ice time this year.

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13 Aug 2018 22:09:48
Keep an eye on Philip Broberg this year could be anonther dahlin.

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13 Aug 2018 22:22:12
My order is an order not a lot of people would agree with but out of those people mentioned-
1. Dahlin
2. Zandina
3. Peterson
4. Svechnikov
5. Middelstad
6. Makar
7. Hieskanen
8. Tkachuk
9. Tolvanen
10. Necas
11. Ilya Samsonov
12. Connor Timmons
13. Robert Thomas
14. Cody Glass
15. Jordan Kyrou
16. Quinn Hughs
17. Jesperi Kotaniemi
18. Lias Anderson
19. Dylan Strome
20. Owen Tippet

I feel like I’m forgetting someone tho but that’s my top 20.

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14 Aug 2018 02:58:26
I don't follow enough. but. I like VBs list. looks pretty good.

How bout any way out in left field guys? Someone ya don't expect. the late round picks who have picked up there games. anyone?

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14 Aug 2018 06:08:14
I condemned vbb list when I saw zadina at 2nd that was enough for me lol.

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14 Aug 2018 06:19:46
Anyone watch the Hlinka tournament? Crazy how good 16 year olds can be. Lol Raymond and Holtz I think were their names on Sweden were really good players. Canada and Sweden both had some really good D that’ll be draft eligible in 2020. I’ve never watched the tournament until this year so I don’t know how these kids usually are but I’m thinking 2020 will be a strong year.

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14 Aug 2018 15:33:13
I meant disagree with lol.

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14 Aug 2018 15:40:31
Zandina has 40 goal potential and like I meant to say a lot of people will disagree maybe Petterson and Middelstad could be better 2-5 is a pretty close gap they’re all interchangeable but I feel like Svechnikov is extremely overrated he is more of a sure thing then Zandina but Zandina has much more potential. The Red wings system will bring the most out of him. So Habby stop being butthurt the Habs didn’t take him when they should’ve. Just sit down and wait because I’ll bet anything that Zandina will be the better player then Svechnikov long term.

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14 Aug 2018 21:02:13
Wow bold predictions kid. And it has nothing to do with being but hurt I'm quite content with who the habs picked. i just find it funny to have him ranked so high when it could easily be argued he isn't even the top prospect on his team lol. I'd honestly take michael Rasmussen over him and he isn't even in your top 20. Along with about 35 other players who are better at this point then zadina. on top of that you don't even know how to spell his last name. keep trying though you might get there someday.

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14 Aug 2018 21:03:01
Ebs I really like bo byram as well.

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14 Aug 2018 22:44:06
Habby2 yeah him and Robertson were I think Canada’s best D from what I remember.

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14 Aug 2018 23:26:14
Alexis leferniere and jack hughes should also be on every list if it's based on who people think will be better instead of who are actually better right now.

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14 Aug 2018 23:43:18
Does anyone know much about that Russian kid the wild drafted a few yrs ago kaprizov or something? I heard he was pretty good but I don’t really pay attention to overseas players.

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15 Aug 2018 05:39:18
I thought this was NHL prospects? They’re both undrafted and my list is based of long term potential. You’re clueless ( no offence) if you believe 35 more prospect have more trade value the Zandina.

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13 Aug 2018 12:23:26
I think Brady Tkachuk coming in to Ottawa right away has such a bigger impact then people realize, a kid like him, players love playing with, if he plays with Duchene and stone and develop chemistry Ottawa could be looking much better in a year, ik it’s a long shot and melnyk will some screw it up but I’m trying to be hopeful lol.

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13 Aug 2018 15:48:24
I’m not a Senators fan but I sure hope they don’t suck and give Colorado another good young players. If the Avs get Jack Hughes they’ll be scary in a couple years.

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13 Aug 2018 17:58:26
The duchene stone tkachuk line would have awesome potential. i don't think tkachuck will have an impact any higher then the average 18 year old. He's not a mcdavid or matthews type.

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13 Aug 2018 22:23:53
I expect to put up somewhere in between 40-60 points.

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14 Aug 2018 02:45:33
I'd say 15 goals 15 assists bout 85 to 100 PIM I see this year.

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14 Aug 2018 16:37:48
Is he projected to be better than his brother?

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15 Aug 2018 05:39:49
Yes@ thunderturkey.

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13 Aug 2018 04:35:18
So after this season season, Matt duchene is a free agent (ufa). He currently has a cap hit of 6 million, and is 27. Do you think the sens try to trade him (probably for way less than what they paid for him) or do you think they would resign him? They definitely seem like a rebuilding team right now, but they gave up so much for duchene I feel like there might be a lot of pressure on Pierre Dorian to keep him. What to do you think is going to happen, and what do you think should happen? Why?

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13 Aug 2018 05:01:55
I think he’s the most likely player to resign with the Sens.

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13 Aug 2018 02:01:41
Yakopov said there is prejudice in the NHL if a team has a choice between a Russian player and non Russian player of equal value they will pick the non Russian player.well no freakin duh!!.i have nothing against Russian players in general but all through the years there has not been a higher percentage of lazy. Underachieving and attitude problem players from any other country more so then russia. This isn't being prejudice it's just a fact. Also when you think of soft players by country which one comes to mind. That's right russia. And on top of that which player is most likely to bolt to the KHL? Russia again lol. Come on yak tell us something we don't know

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13 Aug 2018 05:07:19
I agree with everything but the soft part. Sweden and the Czech Republic is much more soft in general.

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13 Aug 2018 05:41:59
I would argue that at the nhl level they are not. but it's close. Years ago the swedes were probably the most physical country outside of canada. A lot of dirty stick work but they were not considered soft. they changed that for the most part throughout the 80s. not all players from any country are soft I mean just look at ovechkin. I just still think if a player is notoriously lazy or soft to the point that they are getting benched or traded because of it more often then not it's going to be a player from Russia. But considering the amount of supremely skilled players they have produced over the years it probably balances out.

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13 Aug 2018 05:48:53
Idk Sweden was once considered the most physical country out side of canada a lot of stick work but they weren't considered soft. I just think if a player is notoriously soft or lazy to the point that he's getting benched or traded more often then not he's going to be from russia. But considering the amount of supremely talented players they have produced over the years it probably balances out.

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13 Aug 2018 14:46:37
The first reply didn't appear to send but I guess it did so I tried to recap it with the 2nd reply lol.

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13 Aug 2018 14:53:53
The sedins might be the softest players I’ve seen and they were once the poster boys for Sweden. None of Russia top players are soft. Yakapov is anything but soft or lazy. But the biggest waist of talent I’ve seen was Alexander Simen.

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13 Aug 2018 15:54:20
The concern over drafting Russian born players is that if they are seven slightly unhappy they run to back to Russia to play in the KHL.

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13 Aug 2018 16:56:53
We'll I can name a few I've seen first hand over the years kovalenko, berezin, and malahkov come to mind pretty quickly. As good as kovalev was he was still lazy lol.

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13 Aug 2018 17:06:28
Sedins were soft but they had a great work ethic. And yes yakupov was lazy too.

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13 Aug 2018 17:09:01
It's funny Malkin tarasenko ovechkin kucherov panarin all get top minutes. It wasn't because the coaches wouldn't play him it's cause he couldn't wouldn't play the system they laid out. The guy is talented has tremendous speed. But he has zero hockey sense and looks lost out there. This is him just not cutting the mustard.

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13 Aug 2018 22:36:19
Ask oilers fans Yakapov might have been the hardest working player on the oilers at the time. He just didn’t have the hockey sense. If anyone on the oilers was lazy it was Justin Schultz.

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13 Aug 2018 22:36:46
Not Justin Schultz sorry I meant Jordan Eberle.

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14 Aug 2018 06:06:17
He didn't work hard enough to get to the dirty spots to score goals he tried to do the same thing he did in junior but it didn't work in the nhl. He skated around the ice like a madman on times and it looked like he was working hard sometimes but he really wasn't.

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14 Aug 2018 06:25:40
I thought Yak was a hard worker. No hockey sense is true and I know you have to earn your ice time but man put him in a place to succeed. When he played with McDavid at the beginning of the season before he got hurt he was second in points and playing important late game minutes. And yeah I get he’s playing with McDavid it’s easy but actually not every guy can do it. Hope they don’t do the same with pool party, can’t keep a talented shooter on the third line with less talented players like they did last season.

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11 Aug 2018 18:10:28
Hey leafs17 do you think they win the cup? Cause I don't care to argue about it?

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11 Aug 2018 19:57:50
Not this year but thanks for asking. Do you think Florida will? Cause I don’t care to argue about it.

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10 Aug 2018 21:39:44
I still can't believe in 2015 the Bruins had the 13th,14th and 15th picks and they picked who they picked.

Barzel was a conscious top 10 pick and I was kinda hoping Toronto was going to move down if Strome wasn't available to 8th with Columbus so they could draft him because there were rumours of Columbus looking to move up at the time to select Hanfin. As the draft went on I could not believe Barzel AND Kyle Connor fell down to the Bruins. I was thinking to myself they're going to draft Barzel, Connor and Zbroil ( who at the time was thought to be a safe pick for a top four shut down dman and projected to go higher then his d partner Thomas Chabot. )

At the time I thought Zbroil was a good pick but I still can't believe they took Debrusk and Zach Senyshyn. Just imagine how much better the Bruins would be with Connor and Barzal. Then there was Charlie taking Rienhart over Chabot/Barzal, Zacha going 6th, leafs trading the Konechny pick and Oliver Kylington falling.

How can a GM who gets paid millions not see what almost every other fan could see. If it wasn't for Barzals mid season injury that led him to miss the world Juniors he could've easily been the 3rd pick.

Anyway out of all the drafts I watched the 2015 draft was the funnest of them all. What was your guys favourite draft?

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10 Aug 2018 22:01:24
2016 just the whole media trying to make a huge story out of maybe Toronto takes laine maybe Winnipeg takes puljarvi. When there was no question. Then the actual surprise at #3.

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10 Aug 2018 22:12:55
Yeah I remember having a little giggle at those picks at the time too. All 3 seemed a little off the board for where they were, luckily for them debrusk looks ok.
One draft that comes to mind for me is 1990 the big 4 from the chl. Nobody could really predict what order they would go which was rare even for back then. Pens nabbed jagr at 5 which was still surprising he went that early even considering how talented he was. yeah things were different then lol. i had predicted at the time the habs would draft keith tkachuk at 12th I think they were, but instead they took turner Stevenson who was just amazing lol.

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11 Aug 2018 00:23:48
Lol that draft was over 10 years before I was born.

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11 Aug 2018 01:12:07
I'm surprised Boucherd dropped to Oilers and both Wahlstrom and Dobson fell to isles
Van, NYR, ARI, and I forget who else in the top ten surprised.

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11 Aug 2018 03:36:31
I’ve kinda had a laugh at how they screwed up those 3 picks but in all honesty, after that 7 game series against us this season, Debrusk looks like a player. Not barzal obviously, but a skilled power forward that drives the net really hard and will fit in on that team and be adored by those fans if he plays like he did that series.

At Alpaca, I remember friends of mine trying to convince me the leafs might pass up Matthews after hearing that lol they do it every year. I remember they did the same thing with doughty over stamkos (which doesn’t seem so crazy now but at the time it was stamkos spot to lose) and the very next year with hedman over Tavares (when again, hedmans amazing but he took some time, and Tavares had broken gretzkys OHL goals record lol) .

And then there was a story that came out years later, can’t rememebr who ran the story, but was telling how islanders scouts and management really were debating who to take right till draft day, but it wasn’t JT/ Hedman, the room was apparently split between JT and Duchene who went 3rd to Avs lol.

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11 Aug 2018 05:33:29
Debrusk is good but they shouldn’t have reached with gems in front of them. @ yup yah oilers and Islanders got lucky.

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12 Aug 2018 02:05:29
Yup I don’t think VAN’s pick was a suprise. From what I was seeing Hughes was going to be the 2nd D taken. Montreal’s pick was expected to go outside of the top 10 weeks before the draft and I was seeing Boqvist possibly outside the top 10 too. But yeah I’m really jealous of the Isles draft.

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12 Aug 2018 05:54:36
Actually ebs after his strong performance at the under 18 championship in April most list after that had kotkaniemi in the top 10 and some had him as high as 3rd. Bob mckenzie who usually picks the top 10 as good as any list had him at 5th.

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12 Aug 2018 07:51:12
Okay I might be wrong but I seen him jump to around 12-15 then the thought was he was either going 3rd or around 10. But I don’t keep up with the prospects all that much so your probably right.

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12 Aug 2018 11:28:55
I was suprised Kotkanhowever the hell you say it was picked at 3 as well. Oh boy. fingers crossed. Really wanted Zadina. but hope the Finn does well.

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12 Aug 2018 15:42:36
Yeah ebs around mid season he was still around 12th I think.

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10 Aug 2018 16:19:18
And the award for best user name on this site goes to itookdonscherry! Lololol

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10 Aug 2018 01:10:20
Just a question because I don't see him play enough to judge. Is Seabrook not still a very good defenseman? I know his contract is huge and I don't know if Chicago would be in a position to retain say $2 million. I was thinking he would be a good fit in Toronto with Stanley cup experience as well.

Obviously not at $6.8 but under $5 maybe? Carrick could go the other way which would free up salary for Chicago and he is an RFA at seasons end. Maybe other pieces would have to be involved. This might not be a good idea but I don't see the leafs getting Parayko orTrouba without giving up too much.

The leafs could probably let Gardiner walk next season and fit Seabrook in. Chicago IMO would be open to try and unload his contract while getting younger but retaining $2 million for 6 years may be a deal breaker. I'm just trying to think of other options on defense for Toronto. Franson? I read an article that he is looking for a home, not one year deals.

I know he has said in the past that he loved his time in Toronto. $3 million for 3 years? I'm sure you guys will let me know how bad these ideas are.

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10 Aug 2018 02:25:29
I think seabrook would be a decent fit short term. He's still a capable 2nd pair dman. It's. The 6 years which would be scary for the leafs. but I'd be totally against Franson at that price cause he should be much cheaper then that. Maybe 1 year 1.5 or 2 year 1.4 per year would do it then he probably be worth taking another chance on.

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10 Aug 2018 02:32:58
Seabrook very good? No he’s a 4th dman he still has the hands but his feet are gone. He’s probably as good as Tyler Myers now.

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10 Aug 2018 04:18:06
I only said 3 years habby because he’s looking for a longer contract than one year. I’ve always liked him even though he’s not the shutdown man the leafs need. Vbb’s I remember you bashing Seabrook many times. They just gave him that contract a couple years ago. Did he fall apart?

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10 Aug 2018 04:19:52
I’d be happy with Myers as well. Is Seabrook at $5 million still that bad?

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10 Aug 2018 08:51:04
He's barely a top 4 guy anymore, prolly not for much longer.

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10 Aug 2018 11:19:48
Thanks for the info guys. I thought he was still a top pairing d man with an outrageous contract.

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10 Aug 2018 13:00:55
Seabrook had a down year but so did everyone on the hawks I think he still has a couple good years left in him. Probably not 6 good ones though. I don't see how Franson can honestly expect a 3 year deal considering he spent most of last year in the minors. He played well there though and if he would accept a 0ne year deal for cheap he might be worth taking a chance on again.

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10 Aug 2018 13:33:33
You could probably get Franson for 1 year at $1M. Or even a PTO first.
I don't think it's smart st all for any team to retain that much money for that long like your suggesting the Hawks do. Especially for only Carrick coming back.

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10 Aug 2018 15:16:02
For less than $5 mill I would like seabrook for 3 years maybe. He’s not a top pair guy anymore for sure, but if he was, $6.8 mill wouldn’t be outrageous money, right? It’s just seeing the decrease in him from age 31-33, really makes me worry what we would be getting from 33-36, let alone 37-38.

Unfortunately it’s like Weber. He’s the perfect Dman for Toronto. Absolute beast RHD that would take so much pressure off Rielly, plays all situations, but again it’s those last few years on the deal that make it an easy no for me. Those guys were both warriors for a long time and were always in the playoffs and representing Canada, so a ton of extra really hard miles on their bodies. This when we will see their game slow down and injuries pile up.

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10 Aug 2018 15:29:05
Yah by year for of that contract you'd be paying 6 million for a 6th dman Chicago definitely regrets that contract he’s one of the most washed up players in the game.

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10 Aug 2018 16:11:30
Big difference with weber though jim. If he's beat up by the time his last 2 or 3 years of his deal rolls around then he will just retire. Why force it for 1 mil per year at that point. The other difference is weber is still a top pair dman and until I see any difference in him I don't believe the decline rumor. Plus this is the first battle with injuries he's ever had. Just montreal luck it happened with them. in his 26 games with montreal on one leg last year he was still as good as he ever was.

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10 Aug 2018 17:33:08
Oh yeah, I’m not saying Weber isn’t a top pair. I fully believe he is. I meant the last 3-4 years of both those deals, which is seabrook till 37 or whatever and Weber till 41. They’re not at the same point of decline right now at all, but by the same point in that contract I would assume he will be.

And seabrooks contract is front loaded too. Not quite like Weber’s obviously because it’s half as long. But he’s only owed $8 over the last 3 years. Plus if Weber retires early he really screws Nashville badly on cap recapture. But that’s not Montreal’s problem lol.

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10 Aug 2018 19:53:37
I think it could benefit montreal if he decides to retire in the last couple years maybe Nashville will pay a hefty price to get his rights so they could avoid that cap recapture.

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10 Aug 2018 20:06:01
Yeah. I remember we talked about that before. He would have to be on board with it, but saves preds $24+mill in cap space. That’s got to be worth a prospect and a afford pick or two if it gets to that point. Funny to think about, but the prospect it could cost the preds by that time might be playong peweee hockey right now lol.

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10 Aug 2018 20:12:19
Yes but I got a feeling when the next CBA is discussed this could be one of the things they change so nothing might not ever come out of it lol.

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10 Aug 2018 22:27:39
Ya yupp I said other pieces may have to be involved. I was kind of thinking Carrick and a 1st. I also thought the 6 years of retaining $2 million would be a deal breaker. I had no idea though that his decline was so bad.

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11 Aug 2018 08:39:02
Even contracts aside, I'd rather have Franson than Seabrook for next year, tbh.

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11 Aug 2018 20:00:06
I know Franson can be unreliable defensively as well but the guy hits the net 9 times out of 10 when he shoots from the point. I’d rather him over Carrick in a heart beat.

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09 Aug 2018 20:14:33
Calgary Trades
Lazar

Toronto Trades
Leivo

More of a depth trade proposal but Leivo will play in Calgary and Lazar gives the Centre/RWing depth option for the Leafs 4th Line.

Thoughts ?

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10 Aug 2018 02:33:40
Lazar as the 4th c wouldn’t be bad.

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10 Aug 2018 19:14:49
I’d rather see them trade Leivo where he can get a good opportunity, because he’s been nothing but a loyal guy and a true professional when it couldn’t have been easy. But I’d rather just get a pick, like a 3rd or 4th than another guy to put in the same position.

I figure in the next few years, leafs will be trading quite a few 2nd, 3rd, 4th round picks as they try to make deep playoff runs. Why not try to acquire a cpl extras when we can?!

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08 Aug 2018 15:25:07
Habby, I am actually done the arguing with you. It’s over. You can call Matthews overrated and whatever you want, I’m pretty sure that will be proven wrong sooner than later.

You have asked me admit I’m wrong. I’m wrong. You’ve said that I know you’re right. So you’re right. You’ve said I’m biased. I’m biased. I’ll say those things for you.

You told me to change my name, I’ve had the same name for 5 years. That I won’t do.

You told me multiple times to cry to my mommy. I don’t have a mommy anymore. That I can’t do.

I hope I satisfied what you asked me to do.

Now I’m serious about dropping it and moving on, letting the site get back to proper proposals and banter. But I ask you to do something. You don’t have to admit anything or apologize, yours is simple. You are very critical of a lot of people on here and there proposals but never put up any proposals of your own. You actually have ZERO postings on your current account and don’t remember any on your last account either.

If you are going to be critical of everyone and pick out ppls faults, atleast open yourself up to it as well. It’s easy to not give biased trades when you NEVER post a trade at all.

If you want me to respect your opinion (you probably don’t care about that), but other posters respect too, don’t only come out when there’s an easy attack. Post something to be judged on.

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08 Aug 2018 15:55:58
Of all those things the only one I asked you to do was change your name. So if you really wanted to end this you would just change your name. Plus jim you don't post many trades either but your always one of the first to criticize when people do or call them delusional or biased. Not always but sometimes. The amount of that garbage that goes on here isn't as much as it use to be. I like to think I helped with that. much like the amount of leaf bias that's been making everyone except leafs fans sick I think should calm down a bit too now.
That being said if your really serious about ending this I'll play along. Forgive if I'm skeptical and still think very shortly that you will be creating another post to needle and fish for an argument.

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08 Aug 2018 16:06:25
In all honesty I hope the leafs do well . But until they actually have some playoff success then really they have done nothing. Things like putting management on a pedestal for what they have done up to this point is ludicrous to me. every thing they have they have aquired by trying to lose and losing. they have a good team there now and a chance to win a cup this year. If they win it all this season or next season then guess what, come on here gloat and I'll agree with you.

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08 Aug 2018 16:21:47
95% of the time when not discussing the habs or leafs I agree with you. You do have a knowledge of the game. I can understand also your optimism for your own team but the way I look at things is toronto won 3 more games then the habs and oilers last year. I never came on here and praised the habs to high heaven for making it to the conference finals cause that meant nothing to me either. I actually said they should have cleaned house then and if they had of listened matthews might be a hab now lol. In closing whatever goes on I do wish you the best and even though you may not believe me I look forward to your next post.

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08 Aug 2018 16:26:56
And that disagree on your initial post was not from me I clicked the other option this time.

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08 Aug 2018 16:42:02
*Inserts meme of Michael Jackson eating popcorn*.

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08 Aug 2018 16:46:40
The only time I ever ‘fished for an argument’ was that obviously sarcastic trade on the weekend. Beyond that I have had trade offers of Nylander for parayko well over a year ago when it was just paraykos RFA rights. I had Rychel and a pick for Gudbransson at the deadline. That’s the same package that leafs used to get plek. So they addressed 4th C with what I wanted to address bottom pair D. Pretty reasonable. I do make proposals and they aren’t all crazy. Also had one not leafs related with oilers getting panarin for Tyler Benson, Caleb jones and a 1st I believe. Also a Tyler Johnson for Justin Faulk one.

All I’m saying is it’s a forum for people to express ideas and argue. But if you never post anything for others to judge, but only are here to criticize, it’s not really fair from the beginning. So if you want me, and others not to take offense to you, then give the same courtesy and expose yourself a bit too. I think that’s only fair. If that’s too much to ask, then no problem. Keep doing what you’re doing. But I’m not going to keep this up for everyone else’s sake.

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08 Aug 2018 16:50:45
So remember you said you were finished. Right?

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08 Aug 2018 17:39:07
That was already sent before your last two.

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08 Aug 2018 21:17:41
i love you guys, can't we all just get along? habby come at me bro, you know i can take it.

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09 Aug 2018 03:28:42
Yes ovie we had a few battles years ago lol.

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