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02 Jun 2021 03:47:22
( TOR - CGY )
To Toronto : Andrew Mangiapane
To Calgary : William Nylander


Nylander ( 6.9 @ 3 years )
- 2nd Line RW and produced 42Pts playing alongside Tavares
Mangiapane ( 2.4 @ 1 year )
- Majority of the season on the 3rd Line and produced 32Pts

I obviously wouldn’t do this as a flames fan. I seen this on Instagram and thought hell no. What do you think Toronto adds to get this deal done cause it’s obvious that it would be a huge no from CGY. Take into consideration how good Mang is defensively. I’d honestly do a Backlund + for Nylander.


Auston Matthews - John Tavares - Mitch Marner
Zach Hyman - Nic Robertson - Andrew Mangiapane.


1.) 02 Jun 2021 04:40:13
I think Calgary would have to add.


2.) 02 Jun 2021 08:58:41
Nylander was solid in the playoffs, why trade him?


3.) 02 Jun 2021 12:39:52
Both teams probably say no to Mangiapane for Nylander.

Backlund for Nylander maybe. Toronto might ask for Monahan instead due to age and Calgary might go for it due to salary.


4.) 02 Jun 2021 14:15:13
Toronto need to move a big contract they can’t piece together their bottom six plus Willy although his style of play drives people nuts he was the only one from the core that came you play it won’t waive and you shouldn’t trade Matthews that leave marner.


5.) 02 Jun 2021 15:12:14
Trading Nylander of all people this offseason will send even more of a bad message to this group, that you can do f*** all and disappear off the face of fhe earth and have job security, while the one guy who came to play every game and every shift is getting the boot. If we trade Nylander, it shouldn't be this summer, unless we want to create more chaos and mess in an already tense locker room.


6.) 02 Jun 2021 15:27:11
The leafs easily decline. Nylander won’t be moved and value wise he’s worth much more then Mangiapane Calgary adds their 1st atleast.


7.) 02 Jun 2021 15:56:37
@Nylander

Give your head a shake.

It's not all about who gets the most points. Mangiapane is a spark plug, a great forechecker and good defensively. The Flames wouldn't trade Mangiapane for Nylander for those reasons alone.

On top of that you have to take salaries into consideration too. Nylander's cap hit is $4,537,366 higher than Mangiapane's. That means someone else they don't want to lose would have to goo too.


8.) 02 Jun 2021 16:50:56
I’d rather Nylander over Mangiapane personally. Leafs get worse or at best it’s a lateral move that reduces their cap briefly until he wants a big raise next year.
Imo Nylander played up to his contract and is worth keeping around for the Leafs.


9.) 02 Jun 2021 17:37:30
No one on the face of the planet would take Mangiapane over Nylander literally no one who knows anything about hockey Mangiapane is a overrated 3rd liner.


10.) 02 Jun 2021 17:40:29
@Websjac Agreed. Both teams would probably prefer to keep the guy they have now. For different reasons but yeah.


11.) 02 Jun 2021 20:43:01
I can’t believe I’m saying this as a Habs fan but the flames fan on here who think Mangiapane is worth even 3/ 4 of Nylander value are absolutely wrong. Nylander is far from perfect but he has elite potential. He played elite in the Canadiens series and honestly was the best player on the team for at least 2 games and one of the best in 6 out of 7 games. While the rest of the core was afraid of going in front of the net and paying the price, Nylander was doing just that. You don’t trade a Johnny Gaudreau for a Arturi Lehkonen.


12.) 02 Jun 2021 20:53:09
@Nylander Everyone who knows anything about hockey realizes there is a salary cap.

Nylander makes $4.5 million more than Mangiapane. Now if Toronto was willing to retain half his salary making up most of the difference then sure Calgary makes that trade.

As it stands now, Calgary wouldn't do it unless Toronto took Lucic who'd have to waive first too. Toronto isn't going to do that.

Besides as several Toronto fans have pointed out it wouldn't be very smart for the Leafs to trade away the one member of their 40 million club who actually produced in the playoffs this year.


13.) 03 Jun 2021 06:26:00
@Websjac

No Flames fan said Mangiapane is worth 3/ 4 of Nylander or anything like that. However even if all you care about is point production he's still worth more than 1/ 3 of what Nylander is worth.

Yet Nylander gets paid nearly 3 times as much.

We'll keep Mangy and Toronto can keep Nylander. We don't really want Nylander anyhow even though he is a large right shot RW and that's Calgary's biggest need.


 

 

02 Jun 2021 03:38:25
Goaltender -
David Rittich ( 975K @ 1 year )

Defensemen -
Adam Larsson ( 4.25 @ 5 years )
Jamie Oleksiak ( 2.00 @ 3 years )

Forwards -
Zach Hyman ( 3.00 @ 3 years )
Nick Bjugstad ( 2.50 @ 2 years )
Nick Foligno ( 2.00 @ 2 years )
Jason Spezza ( 975K @ 1 year )
Barclay Goodrow ( 975K @ 1 year )


Trade
Alex Kerfoot, Travis Dermott, Adam Brooks, Pierre Engvall

Release
Frederik Andersen, Alex Galchenyuk, Riley Nash, Wayne Simmonds, Zach Bogosian, Ben Hutton, Martin Marincin



Zach Hyman - Auston Matthews - Mitch Marner
Nic Robertson - John Tavares - William Nylander
Joe Thornton - Nick Bjugstad - Ilya Mikheyev
Nick Foligno - Jason Spezza - Barclay Goodrow

Morgan Rielly - Tj Brodie
Jake Muzzin - Adam Larsson
Jamie Oleksiak - Justin Holl.


1.) 02 Jun 2021 05:39:04
I think the average nhl salary now is like 3 million per year now. do you think barc goodrow is that far below average? he’s getting at least 3 mil a year on his next contract.


2.) 02 Jun 2021 15:13:09
If foligno wants to come back, i'd take him. Same with rittich. Hymans the big one and i'd keep him too. Jumbo? Unless he's the PP coach, no sir.


3.) 02 Jun 2021 16:26:37
Only 975k for Rittich?

I'm pretty sure the Flames would be happy to bring him back for more than that!

Probably half of the others will get better offers elsewhere too.


 

 

02 Jun 2021 03:11:34
( CGY - ANA )
To Calgary : Rickard Rakell
To Anaheim : (2021) Second-Round Selection, (2021) Third-Round Selection and Connor Mackey


( CGY - NSH )
To Calgary : Viktor Arvidsson and Calle Jarnkrok
To Nashville : Sean Monahan



Johnny Gaudreau - Elias Lindholm - Matthew Tkachuk
Rickard Rakell - Mikael Backlund - Viktor Arvidsson
Andrew Mangiapane - Calle Jarnkrok - Dillon Dube.


1.) 02 Jun 2021 12:42:52
I wouldn't do Mackey for Rackell straight up. Mackey is the best defensive prospect the Flames have who's NHL ready now and the only one who's actually good defensively.


 

 

01 Jun 2021 20:23:39
To WSH : William Nylander
To TOR : Tom Wilson

Who adds? Do both teams accept? I think Washington takes this, they are willing to trade him and in return they get a young playmaker to play with Ovechkin.


1.) 01 Jun 2021 22:06:06
Its not horrible by any means, however, I don't know if Caps would do this. Players like Wilson are very rare.


2.) 01 Jun 2021 22:32:34
I don't think Washington would be willing to move on from Wilson yet, although they probably should.


3.) 01 Jun 2021 23:31:12
Agree with sosahabs and memarcus.

I'd add Toronto probably shouldn't do it for the same reasons Washington should.


4.) 02 Jun 2021 00:14:16
@memarcusjoe they made him available. Everybody is apparently available except Ovechkin and Backstrom.


5.) 02 Jun 2021 00:14:46
@sosahabs24 very true.


6.) 08 Jun 2021 17:20:36
Is Kyle Dubas quitting the Leafs? Lol


 

 

01 Jun 2021 20:21:35
( CGY - ANA )
To Calgary : Rickard Rakell
To Anaheim : (2021) Second-Round Selection, (2021) Third-Round Selection and Connor Mackey


( CGY - NSH )
To Calgary : Viktor Arvidsson and Calle Jarnkrok
To Nashville : Sean Monahan




Johnny Gaudreau - Elias Lindholm - Matthew Tkachuk
Rickard Rakell - Mikael Backlund - Viktor Arvidsson
Andrew Mangiapane - Calle Jarnkrok - Dillon Dube
Joakim Nordstrom - Glenn Gawdin - Milan Lucic

Mark Giordano - Chris Tanev
Noah Hanifin - Rasmus Andersson
Juuso Valimaki - Oliver Kylington


I’d really like for a way for Calgary to sign Adam Larsson or Alex Edler. Preferably Larsson. We need another Top 4 D after watching how bad defensively we were this year.


1.) 01 Jun 2021 22:43:09
I'd much rather keep Mackey than trade him for Rackell. Until Yan Kuznetsov is ready for the NHL Mackey is the only defensive prospect the Flames have that's actually not bad defensively. Also other than Kuznetsov, Mackey is about the only one with much grit.

I'd rather keep Monahan than trade him for two lesser players that are both also smaller and older.


 

 

 

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03 Jun 2021 02:23:15
Schiefele better be suspended.


1.) 03 Jun 2021 02:39:07
I really want to see mm joe arguments.


2.) 03 Jun 2021 02:40:30
That was an obvious intent to injure scheiffle was frustrated from the previous shift and if he was really trying to stop the goal a stick check was the correct play, on the replay it almost looks like he hauled his stick back when he still had a slight chance of hitting the puck. i think it should be at least 8 games but I’m expecting a 5000$ fine.


3.) 03 Jun 2021 02:41:32
Habs Should get them to take a look at Stanley’s forearm shiver on perry in the 1st period too.


4.) 03 Jun 2021 04:39:45
I actually don’t want to see him suspended if anything change the icing rule. It was bound to happen sooner rather then later. I would’ve done the same thing.


5.) 03 Jun 2021 04:57:31
It wasnt icing. how does changing the rule change what happened? they already changed the icing rule because too many players were getting hurt. you do realize half the goals that are scored in this league could have the goal scorer getting hit in a similar fashion if the opposing player went in with the intent to hit and hurt the other player instead of focusing on trying to prevent the goal. when would you like to see a suspension nylander? When it’s matthew’s or marner getting brought out on the slab? It was a totally gutless, dangerous and stupid play if that’s mcdavid instead of evans scheifle never plays another game.


6.) 03 Jun 2021 12:06:34
He should be banned from the league. If he didn’t slowed down once he entered his own zone he would of had ample time to poke check the puck away before Evans even gets back to the net. His team could of tried one last O- zone entry and possibly tied the game. Instead he went for the body and as a right handed player he usually would of hit from his left side but he shifted to the right side knowing that he has more power and more chance of ending Evans career. This was a career ending hit that hopefully does not bring that repercussion even with Evan’s concussion history. No place for this in hockey.


7.) 03 Jun 2021 15:45:00
IMO I think the check itself was clean. But people talking about him trying to stop a goal are crazy, clearly the intent was to run a guy over. I’d be okay with a game but considering he got hurt, it was the end of the game and they were losing I think 2 or 3 games is fair. Kick him out of the league for making a hit? Lol get outta here. And the McDavid comment is bs. McDavid didn’t draw a single penalty in there 4 games and he took a clear dirty knee in one of them.


8.) 03 Jun 2021 16:47:23
Did mcdavid get hit like that ebs? Until he does you or anyone else are in no place to call that comment B. S. the never plays another game was a slight over react I admit. but I bet it’s 20 games for schefile. I’ll be shocked if he gets more then 4 games in this situation though. hopefully he at least gets something though unlike the last time an opposing player tried to kill a habs player because he was sookie.


9.) 03 Jun 2021 16:50:44
Respect to the class shown by ehlers though.


10.) 03 Jun 2021 16:57:47
Ebsolutely is bang on and the puck was iced it should’ve been icing. Getting hit is apart of the game it was clean and Schifele obviously meant to lay him out but not injuring him. My 2nd year of midget we were losing pretty bad ( midget AAA ) and the best player on the other team was skating behind our net after a neutral zone entry at full speed. Our goalie 2 handed him front on in the neck as he went around the net. He was helped off the ice and our goalie got 26 games. He had a neck guard on but it looked like he literally died when that happened. That’s a incident that deserves a suspension not Schifeles little hit. If it were McDavid he’d deserve 5 games because he intentionally went overboard on a hit that resulted in a injury of a star player.


11.) 03 Jun 2021 17:23:40
I hope he gets 4 games but doubt it. probably a $5k fine or at most 2 games.


12.) 03 Jun 2021 17:43:19
Ok so nylander you admit there is a double standard and the punishment would be 5 times worse if it was mcdavid instead of evans, that’s at least a start to show the hypocrisy which there would be if it was a player on your own team. now we know your butthurt after your team blowed another 1st round series and would like nothing more then every hab to be injured before this series is over but you should start talking some sense here for once. I don’t think even you could argue it was charging right? Now you also admitted he obviously Meant to lay him out which in turn means his intent was not to stop the goal and give his team a chance to still win the game that probably could have been done with a stick check that he didn’t even attempt. so in your own thoughts on this we have him for an obvious charge and a predatory hit right? But he shouldn’t be suspended? See the hypocrisy? Wake the fk up.


13.) 03 Jun 2021 17:47:43
The fact it’s a suspension is not even an issue only absolute morons are arguing it’s not, the issue is how many games and what parros decides is the standard he wants to place for this type of play going forward. if it’s a game, 2 games, 5 games so be it. but if the department of player safety is actually for maintaining player safety he better choice wisely.


14.) 03 Jun 2021 18:22:30
Panarin getting thrown on his head didn’t get a suspension. I’m sure being a star plays into a little but not that much.


15.) 03 Jun 2021 19:32:53
@ebs panarin initiated with Wilson he didn’t have to jump on Wilson’s back panarin also continued to go at Wilson after Wilson turned around commendable on his part but not very smart. that being said Wilson should have got a lot more then he did but neither his punch to buchnevich or his rag dolling of panarin was as an obvious intent to injure as the scheiffle hit imo. but if your argument is that player safety department is a joke then yes I agree with you. Shefflie doesn’t have the reputation as wilson does so that should be a factor in determining his punishment too. but he clearly had difficulty controlling his emotions which lead to him having bad intentions which then lead to a player getting seriously hurt. Reminds me of something kadri would do and usually does do every time he’s in the playoffs. scheiffle is talented enough he doesn’t have to do that garbage and I’m sure he knows he screwed up. but let’s hope it’s a one time mistake by him and he gets punished accordingly to the point where it doesn't result in retaliation and more players have to get injured because of it. On top of that I mean reeves can change the complexion of their series by doing this on Mackinnon if he sees it’s only going to cost him a game or two.


16.) 03 Jun 2021 20:06:18
I don’t think Scheifele has a history so he probably won’t get much. I think he deserves at least a game, more if there are prior incidents. What I don’t agree with is how they make decisions based on whether the player is hurt or not. If the intent to injure is there, the discipline should be the same. So a guy gets off because the player skates off on the ice on his own, maybe next time he breaks someone’s neck?


17.) 03 Jun 2021 20:42:43
I do think star players being injured matters ( I think ) I have no clue how the suspension system works but for PR I’d assume so unless it’s similar to court where people unconnected to the NHL determine the cases. I do think 1 game is fair because he meant to light him up. It wasn’t a viscous hit tho in the sense it wasn’t dirty just a old school Scott Stevens hit.

I just wish there was more Scott Stevens hits now days.


18.) 03 Jun 2021 20:45:14
I know it’s a broad definition (like all NHL rules) but how is it a charge? The angles I saw he didn’t leave his feet until after contact (which is how it works) and he glided for a long distance before the hit. Also I’d like to add to my 2 or 3 game punishment, I think Anderson or Edmonson should probably fight him, maybe both.


19.) 03 Jun 2021 23:09:27
The fact of the matter is Mark was pissed off that the game was being controlled by the Canadiens and he was angry and frustrated all game. He got a 2 minute penalty in the 3rd period for punching Chiarot in the face when Ben was laying on the ice helpless. That is 2 plays in the same game where Mark took advantage of a player’s vulnerability to induce some pain. He was a angry coward last night who made some terrible decisions and is lucky to not be criminally charged as well. He could of paralyzed Jake neck/ head/ upper body for life or worse.


20.) 04 Jun 2021 04:58:01
There was a good explanation given on the player safety video for those who don’t know what charging is and or can’t see how it was a horrible play. 4 games wasn’t enough imo but when you factor in scheiffle has a pretty much squeaky clean record and it’s the playoffs and probably means it would have been at least 7 games for someone with a history or if it happened in the regular season I think the league got it almost right. at least now a guy like Tom Wilson can assume he’d probably get at least 7 or 8 games for doing it.


21.) 04 Jun 2021 05:46:55
Nylander you do know if a player made a lot of those Scott stevens hits today he would have been suspended multiple times by now right? Possibly to the point where he would be out of the league all together. a prime candidate for one of the first ones to have their career ended because of the way they play would be Mitch marner. crossing over between the blue line and the top of the circles like he does would be easy pickings for stevens. Also I’ll give you something else to ponder. Why did the vast majority of stevens most devastating hits happen after say 1991 especially when you consider he was even more aggressive the previous 8 or 9 years he was in the league before that? also why were there so many players knocked out in his later years but very few if any in his early years? When you figure out the correct answer to this you will know why the type of hits you are asking for are frowned upon now.


22.) 04 Jun 2021 13:31:59
Criminal charges? Let’s not go calling 911 again just yet.


23.) 04 Jun 2021 15:20:32
JAndersson- You seem like the kid who’d tell the teacher when a kid swore in class. Soft as butter

Habby- yes I get it hockey has changed and everyone is soft now.


24.) 04 Jun 2021 15:44:03
I don’t think it’s soft for pushing to get these types of plays out of the league. Also suspending one if not the best player on Winnipeg for most of the series for running a guy with his head down doesn’t seem totally fair either. I can live with there 4 game decision though.


25.) 04 Jun 2021 15:46:23
Has nothing to do with that nylander.


26.) 05 Jun 2021 00:30:33
Nylander has said he wants them to fight with their sticks like gladiators, lol. I’d love to put a face to the name Nylander, you must be a teenage warrior.


27.) 05 Jun 2021 05:33:47
Lol I’m a goalie so I never been able to hit people unfortunately. I watched a video of hockey a long time ago way before I was born I think it was Steve Shut or Doug Harvey maybe Bob gainey a historical player on the habs full on having a stick fight in the middle of ice and buddy gets knocked out by a wooden stick to the face. When my grandfather played Junior back in the late 60s he was playing a exabition game against a senior A team and the junior team was winning and I guess one of the guys on the senior team two handed my grandfather in the back of my head. Personally I think the most entertaining moment I’ve seen in hockey was phill Kessel skating circles around John Scott two handing him in a preseason game lol. I’ve gotten a 1 game suspension for spearing but that’s it i also got kicked out of my ball hockey league because someone ( old teammate ) slashed me in the ankle ( hurts extremely bad without protection it was stick to skin ) and I retaliated by using all my might to two hand him. Luckily for both of us I got him on his quad and didn’t do to much damage.


28.) 05 Jun 2021 06:15:29
Why didn’t you riddle off some more names in hopes of landing on a player that actually had a stick swinging incident on the habs. let me guess you loved that mcsorley incident too right?


29.) 05 Jun 2021 06:44:39
I appreciate the honesty but you understand that is not hockey, right?


 

 

02 Jun 2021 03:52:43
If Calgary could ever pull it off, my dream 3rd line would be :

Andrew Mangiapane - Anthony Cirelli - Dillon Dube


What do you guys think Cirelli’s value is?


1.) 02 Jun 2021 04:38:16
That would be a great line, however, I think Cirelli could be a number 2 center on most teams.
As for his value, I am horrible at that, so I wouldn't know. But I'd think a 1st and a prospect, or a 2nd and an A prospect type.


2.) 02 Jun 2021 15:43:25
Cirelli won’t be moved. I could see Stamkos moved before them.


3.) 02 Jun 2021 20:18:08
@nylander I was kinda assuming that they wouldn’t move him, he seems to be an important player. But thought it would be cool. @sosahabs24 fair enough.


 

 

01 Jun 2021 11:59:46
How we doing Leafs fans?


1.) 03 Jun 2021 01:56:07
It still hurts.


 

 

27 May 2021 07:24:12
@memarcusjoe and @islandjet did you boys bet on the Winnipeg/ Oilers series? Who did you guys have winning and in how many games?


1.) 27 May 2021 13:43:28
I'm not a betting person, so I didn't bet on it, but I had the Oilers beating the Jets 4 straight. Not because the Oilers are a better team, as we all agree they aren't, but just because of how the Jets played the last 10 games. I didn't think they would be able to break those habits.

It was nice to see the Jets play well and shut up all the talking heads about how great the Oilers are.


2.) 27 May 2021 20:58:59
I thought it would go 7 games and hoped the Helly stood on his head in game 7 in order for the Jets to win the series.


3.) 27 May 2021 22:33:52
Damn guys. I had Jets in 6. Hellebuyck is a different animal in the playoffs, so glad you guys won. Feel horrible for Edmonton fans though.


 

 

23 May 2021 14:42:51
Gaudreau has publicly stated once again that he doesn’t plan on leaving Calgary. Most of these rumours of “he wants out” stems from Eric Francis’ bologna. Dude is such a tool

“ If Tre and the owners are happy with the way I’ve played, it’s something we can figure out. I would love to do that. I love the city. I don’t think I’ve ever once said that I don’t want to be here. “

Obviously people will compare the John Tavares situation but Gaudreau has been more vocal and has publicly stated numberous times that he wants to stay with the organization.


 

 

 

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13 Jun 2021 23:49:46
Faksa would be a really good pickup imo, he has good size.


 

 

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13 Jun 2021 10:28:08
Huge no from Buffalo .
Eichel > Gaudreau
Reinhart > Monahan

Zary and 1st doesn’t make up the difference imo, if they were to trade Eichel and Reinhart then they would want younger pieces coming back.


 

 

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12 Jun 2021 22:40:43
Responding to my previous comment, correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t Vancouver really high on Hoglander? If so then it’s definitely a no from Vancouver. I don’t think Montreal does it either.


 

 

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12 Jun 2021 22:39:17
No from Van.


 

 

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08 Jun 2021 21:18:06
Rielly > Konecny
Myers > Kerfoot and Amirov

So it’s fair imo but Philadelphia doesn’t need another LD and Toronto does need another RW. Also Philly has no need for Kerfoot as they have Couturier, Patrick, Frost down the middle
Toronto has Marner and Nylander
Philadelphia has Provorov and Sanheim.


 

 

 

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