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15 Sep 2021 11:55:02
Toronto Trades
Rielly
Kerfoot
Mikheyev

Vancouver Trades
JT Miller
6th Round Pick 2022

Vancouver improves huge in this Trade and Toronto solves what to do about Rielly and Mikheyev wanting out, it makes them stronger upfront as well as helps there Cap.


Thoughts ?

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15 Sep 2021 21:26:40
Vancouver says no. They can't afford to resign Rielly, all their young current and pending RFAs and take on Kerfoot's contract too.

Besides Miller is a core player for Vancouver on a reasonable contract and Pettersson's production fell off a cliff when Miller was out. They need him a lot more than they need Rielly.

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11 Sep 2021 21:30:18
Flames: Jonathan Huberdeau and
2 round pick

Florida: Gaudreau


J Huberdeau - E Lindholm - B. Coleman
M Tkachuk - S Monahan - A Mangiapane
J Pelletier - M Backlund - D Dube
M Lucic - T Lewis - T Pitlick

N Hanifin - C Tanev
J Valimaki - N Zadorov
O Kylington - C Mackey

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11 Sep 2021 22:49:10
It'd take more than Gaudreau to get Huberdeau.

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11 Sep 2021 23:30:13
Lol what? Did you mean Tkachuk? Huberdeau is so solid all around as a player and is a PPG+ player on a cheap deal.

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12 Sep 2021 03:00:35
Real head scratcher. Why would Florida want to do this. Gaudreau is washed up, Huberdeau is a top 20 player.

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12 Sep 2021 11:35:29
Florida definitely says no but did you seriously call Gaudreau washed up? You know nothing about hockey bud.

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12 Sep 2021 14:28:22
This is a terrible trade from Florida. Huberdeau would probably be one of the most talk about players if he played for a more popular market. But I do agree Gaudreau isn’t washed up but his style of play is not the best unless he has a pure finisher on his line.

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14 Sep 2021 23:42:01
are you high? i wouldn't even do huberdeau for gaudreau straight up let alone adding to huberdeau. calgary adds for sure.

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15 Sep 2021 03:10:48
Gaudreau is a great player but doesn’t have contract term to convince a team to pay a premium for him.
In my mind, he has slightly more value than Rielly.

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15 Sep 2021 19:14:07
Yes Gaudreau is washed up. There is no way I'm trading a high end player for this smurf.

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16 Sep 2021 04:46:22
BOSSMAN67 you do realize that for the past 5 seasons Gaudreau is #15 in points and Huberdeau is #21 while playing with Barkov…. Just saying. For you to say Gaudreau is washed just shows how much of a casual you truly are. Put Gaudreau beside Barkov and he’d be much higher in points. Gaudreau plays with Monahan lol and carries the heck out of him, Monahan is good but he ain’t no Barkov that’s for sure.

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16 Sep 2021 04:49:50
Just saying, for the past 5 season Gaudreau is #15 and the players behind him are Tavares, Barkov, Malkin, Giroux, Backstrom, Huberdeau, Aho and Rantanen… do your research before you speak.

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10 Sep 2021 01:25:06
Arizona:
Morgan Rielly D
Timothy Liljegren D
Nick Robertson RW

Toronto:
Josh Doan RW
Jakob Chychrun D

Believable5 Unbelievable22

10 Sep 2021 05:20:50
Chychrun >> Rielly
Doan >> Roberterson

Liljegren isn't nearly enough to make up the difference.

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10 Sep 2021 06:14:11
Arizona asks for Matthews and tells you what to do with your trash.

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10 Sep 2021 06:33:39
Shane Doan got the privilege to draft his own son and you think Arizona would flip him months later? Bruh.

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10 Sep 2021 13:07:14
Can someone please tell me how Josh Doan>>Robertson? Both are 2nd round picks. Robertson played 1st line in his D+1 year for USA at the U20 WJC where he had a strong showing. He then became the youngest player in leafs history to play a playoff game. He was then held back from the leafs to go back down to the WJC because he already proved himself there. ( a mistake imo ) .

Doan is a few years away Atleast from the NHL where as Robertson will probably be top 6 on the leafs.

Am I crazy because I have no clue how someone could possibly thing Josh Doan is currently a better prospect. Not to say Arizona would move their hometown boy for PR reasons but that’s just a crazy statement imo.

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10 Sep 2021 14:49:13
It's obvious enough it shouldn't need to be said.

Besides being an early second round pick vs a late second round pick Doan is bigger, stronger, younger and he's a right shot which is harder to find than left shots like Robertson.

A right shot forward with good size vs a left shot shrimp.

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10 Sep 2021 16:06:27
Blues would offer the following for chychrun.

Scandella (cap and a 4 5 dman)
Perunovich ( better version of dunn)
1st 2023 unprotected.
Alexandrov ( yound 2c center almost nhl ready)

That beats your offer.

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10 Sep 2021 18:21:35
No doubt 29 other teams would beat the offer in the original post too.

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10 Sep 2021 18:40:23
Draft position means very little many players like Kucherov, Guadreau, Webber, Karlsson, Rinne and Vais vastly out live there draft position. He was drafted 2 years ago and is miles ahead in development then plenty of 1st round pick in the 2019 draft. Let’s not forget he missed the 2020 draft requirements by a hair so really if he were to be picked in 2020 he would’ve been a top 20 pick after a 55 goal year in the OHL. Robertson is guaranteed to be a NHL player. Doan is not. Size and Strength can be built by hard work. Skill, IQ and Talent are much harder to come by. Bigger doesn't mean better. Look at Freddy Gauthier. He went before Guadreau but does that mean he’s better then Guadreau?

No buddy is taking Doan over Robertson. Literally nobody. Robertson cracked the top 50 prospects rakings 2 years in a row now.

I hope your good with your hands @MoxNix.

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12 Sep 2021 03:05:05
I'd take any player over any Maple Leaf.

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12 Sep 2021 18:39:41
Thats not enough for Chych, and the Yotes won't trade Doan because of Shane Doan, but to say Josh Doan is more valuable than Robertson is laughable.

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15 Sep 2021 22:29:54
So. vbbbvbb . you have claimed Robertson is guaranteed to be an NHL player. was that based on his 4-5 shifts so far?

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07 Sep 2021 19:11:22
Thinking Habs still need help on 3 rd line center.
Thinking Habs trade Drouin.
MTL
Drouin

SEATTLE
McCann

McCann can play center.
Hoffman McCann Armia as 3rd line.
Not bad. Also makes less $ than Drouin.
If Drouin is a great player when on his game. But maybe playing in Montreal might be too much pressure for him.

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07 Sep 2021 21:28:14
I don't see why Seattle does it. They could have had Drouin for free, I think they'd stick with McCann.

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07 Sep 2021 22:36:12
I think Drouin is considered very risky. He is a really good talent, who just hasn't been able to figure out how to be consistent with that talent. Like MeMarcus said, Seattle could have had him, but chose not to. McCann is the much more safer player, and I believe the Krakken stay with him. He may produce more on this team, and he continues to improve into a reliable 2 way guy. Drouin is jus such a wild card .

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07 Sep 2021 23:53:57
McCann has had a couple solid seasons so it’s not an exact comparison but could he be Seattle’s Karlsson? He could end up being there first line center or there third. Either way I think they keep him.

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08 Sep 2021 05:46:10
Drouin needs to come back and perform before he can be traded for any type of a return imo.

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07 Sep 2021 18:32:59
Ott- Logan brown

Stl Sandford 2023 3rd.

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07 Sep 2021 22:18:04
A roster player AND a pick for a guy who can't even crack the Sens roster?

Dream on.

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08 Sep 2021 02:06:19
More points than Hanifin….

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08 Sep 2021 02:19:57
Yeah, I have to agree with MoxNix here.

Brown has size, but is there something else to his game? I haven't seen it yet.

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08 Sep 2021 11:20:33
Who has more points than Hanifin? Lmao cause it certainly ain’t Brown.

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08 Sep 2021 14:24:38
I am a blues fan. This trade could serve two purposes. 1 getting a large 4th line center that is young and league minimum. 2 trading sanford would free up about 1 mil in cap which will be used later on. Brown is also a stl native and could use a change of scenery. Blues have kostin and neighbors (both lw) coming up and they are better than sanford.

Blues fans would say yes - would OTT fans say yes.

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10 Sep 2021 12:21:56
Sorry meant his numbers are similar to Valimaki not Hanifin. Brown is worth at least a 3rd just on potential still.

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10 Sep 2021 12:57:02
@Websjac No he doesn't. Unless you're counting AHL points vs NHL points.

Besides comparing a center's points to a defenseman's points is comparing apples to carrots.

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10 Sep 2021 23:18:19
They’re very close in value. So would you sell Valimaki for a 2nd/ 3rd and bottom six player.

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11 Sep 2021 01:21:21
They're not close in value and no I wouldn't trade Valimaki for a lowball offer like that.

Valimaki unlike Brown has cracked an NHL roster. At a younger age in spite of defensemen taking longer to develop than forwards.

Valimaki still has plenty of talent and upside. Brown can't even crack the Sens roster in spite of them being in such desperate need for centers.

Valimaki isn't being shopped though he could possibly be traded for something that improves the team now. It'd probably take an overpay though because Treliving is really big on Valimaki (more than he should be IMO) .

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12 Sep 2021 17:43:48
Sanford is middle six plays 2nd 3rd line. He is a nhl player and a 3rd in a good draft.

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07 Sep 2021 14:09:53
New Jersey Trades
TY Smith
3rd Round Pick 2022
4th Round Pick 2022

Toronto Trades
Rielly
Dermott
Engvall

Devils have drafted well for the last 3 to 4 seasons to the point they have the building blocks to take that next step of starting to contend, yes TY Smith is a good young Defenceman but they do also have other very good prospects on Defence knocking on the door within the next few seasons, NJ is one team that have enough money to resign Rielly and signing Hamilton this off season tells me they are ready to take the next step, this proposal continues that process.

The Leafs are in a situation where more than likely Rielly won't be resigning as the Cap won't let that happen, Dubas is smart enough to understand if you can take a step back to take a step forward for the future he will do it, just like he did when he traded Kapanen and Johnsson, trading all 3 of these players to get a very good young Defenceman, plus get back the 3rd and 4th Round Picks he traded at last season's deadline is that step back, step forward type of trade proposal.


Thoughts ?

Believable6 Unbelievable17

07 Sep 2021 14:39:04
not really sure why the devils do this knowing they would have to pay Rielly big money after this year after paying big money to get Hamilton, think they would rather keep their young d man and grow from there. dermott and engvall have no value so i think the devils say no to this one.

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07 Sep 2021 15:32:05
wingsfan19
Signing Hamilton tells the league they are going to the next stage, PKs 9 million will be off the books after this season, so you give Rielly 9 million NJ still has 12 million in Cap to spend next season.
NJ is in a great situation to get better right now, so why wouldn't you show the players and fans that yes you are trying to win from this season on?

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07 Sep 2021 16:15:30
Teams wouldn't give up too much for Rielly who is going to be UFA at the end of the season and will want way more than he's worth to resign.

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07 Sep 2021 16:25:11
Jersey will also have to sign Jack Hughes. I can't see them wanting Reilly, for one season. They have there big FA signing in Hamilton, with Smith and younger Hughes coming in soon, this is a good nucleus.
Don't get me wrong, Reilly is a really good Dman, however, I don't believe he fits the need for Jersey.

Also, doesn't this create a hole for the Leafs? Smith is good, but not Reilly good, at least not yet.

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07 Sep 2021 19:56:52
Pinballisback. exactly that, Subbans money is coming off the books and they can go in to free agency next season and sign players with out giving up a good young controllable asset when chances are they are still a year or two away from competing. Reilly is a good dman no doubt but he doesn't them a Stanly cup contender this year along with paying 2 dman that kinda money and still having to sign their young
core players like Hughes, etc doesn't make it likely. besides if they really want Reilly there is a good chance they can sign him as a free agents next summer.

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08 Sep 2021 12:04:48
wingsfan19
You are saying NJ should just be ok with being a bottom feeder team?
Sorry unless this is Detroit or Arizona The Devil's are now in the second phase of there rebuild, they are much better than you are painting them and they wouldn't have signed Hamilton if they thought like you are.

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08 Sep 2021 12:55:12
Pinballisback.
i didn't say they were ok with being a bottom feeder, i said they are a year or two away from contending. this was a team that finished 3rd from the bottom last year, that doesn't mean that they can't improve this year and Hamilton will help that but they still have a ways to go. they have a good young core they are building and they are in the second phase of 5 phase process Reilly would help but he doesn't make them a cup contender this year so again why give up any assets when chances are Reilly will be a free agent next year and if you really want him you can get him and not give up anything?

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08 Sep 2021 20:28:46
wingsfan19
Leafs went from the worst team to a playoff team the next season and haven't looked back since.
NJ to me is in that same situation right now, adding Rielly, Dermott and Engvall over keeping TY Smith makes them much better right away.
You can try and argue it doesn't but you would be wrong.

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09 Sep 2021 11:36:57
Pinballisback
hate to break it to you pinball but engvall and dermott have no value the only one that does is Reilly who wants a monster deal after this season if he didn't the leafs would keep him. no wonder people pan your trades on here logic clearly escapes you.

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09 Sep 2021 12:52:14
It's going to be funny when the Leafs find out how bad Brodie is after Reilly is gone. Reilly and Gio are the only 2 partners who've been able to make Brodie look good.

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09 Sep 2021 13:44:29
I stopped reading when I got to the sentence. ". Dubas is smart. " lol.

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10 Sep 2021 13:11:15
I mean he has a PHd in analytics but that doesn’t mean he’s good at contract negotiations. He’s a solid GM imo. Good with trades and the UFA market ( Marleau was signed by Lou ) . RFA negotiations is where he struggles. He got Nylander signed to a sweet deal but obviously Mathews and Marner not so much.

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03 Sep 2021 13:32:27
To Montreal: Nazem Kadri + JT Compher
To Colorado :Jonathan Drouin + 2nd round pick
Colorado Clear cap space and they can put landeskog with Newhook and burakovski
Also Drouin Mackinnon Rantanen.
For montreal Kadri can do the job at #2 center and compher can replace any bottom 6 players.

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03 Sep 2021 13:52:23
Kadri is a little tricky, he plays a more important position and style but seems to get himself in trouble come playoff time. Imma see what everyone else has to say.

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03 Sep 2021 16:09:57
Colorado says no.

Kadri > Drouin

Compher is a good utility guy on a cheap contract. A right shot who can play all 3 forward positions.

If Colorado really wants to move Kadri they'd probably consider Kadri alone for Drouin and the pick. In that case Compher would move to center and Drouin would take his spot at LW.

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03 Sep 2021 16:30:09
a) I’m pretty sure Montreal doesn’t have the space
b) Colorado really likes Compher. I don’t think they’d trade him for any offer simply because he fits a need (someone to stand in front of the net) on their already stacked team.

Kadri for Drouin + a 2nd would work for both teams imo.

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07 Sep 2021 20:20:41
I wouldn't take Kadri at ANY price.

He doesn't understand how to control emotions when the games matter most. This has been proven 3 time.

I wouldn't take Kadri for a 7th. I don't want him near my team, period.

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03 Sep 2021 13:28:33
Blues/Ducks.
Neighbors + Scandella + Perunovich + 2022 1st to Anaheim for Lindholm + extension

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03 Sep 2021 16:31:04
Way too steep of a price.

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06 Sep 2021 23:25:51
Neighbors almost nhl ready power forward

Perunovich - nhl ready lhd puckmovibg dman suppose to be a better version off Dunn.

Our 22 1st which is suppose to be deepest draft in last 5 6 years and scandella for

Lindholm. Way too steep. Take out neighbors and the 22 1st.

Add Sanford and alexandrov

Then you got a deal. till then no.

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07 Sep 2021 11:30:50
Russian Colt your offer seems to heavily favour Blues.

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07 Sep 2021 14:39:14
Nhl ready puck moving lhd who will most likely get 30 40 pts.

Almost ready nhl quality center in alexandrov

Nhl dman on great contract scandella

And a nhl middle six lw with skill.


For lindholm a 30 point defender who will be 28 in Jan.

How is that heavily favoring blues.

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