NHL rumours 2

07 Mar 2023 15:56:07
draft deal
Calgary: Kadri 7,000,000 through 28 29 1st 24 phillips
columbus: jenner 3,750,000 through 25-26
flames are going to need extra cap space this summer and jenner would be a good replacement for kadri at almost half the cap the flames might need to add more to get it done

07 Mar 2023 18:45:57
Not sure why either team would do this.

07 Mar 2023 20:36:58
Uhhh that’s a hard pass from the Flames

07 Mar 2023 01:34:42
Toronto Maple Leafs :
RW - William Nylander (6.96 @ 1 UFA)

Calgary Flames :
D - Noah Hanifin (4.95 @ 1 UFA)

07 Mar 2023 04:55:20
Nylander is eons better. Hanifin has not looked great this year.

07 Mar 2023 10:24:38
Nylander is a talented scorer, but I can’t think of a bigger perimeter-player sweetheart that would be the exact opposite of what Darryl Sutter would ask for. If I was CGY I wouldn’t want him. He has won zip in the NHL.

08 Mar 2023 04:10:16
No thank-you from Flames.
Nylander is definitely not a Sutter type, and Flames cap is too tight.

08 Mar 2023 09:30:36
@burner89 I understand the cap space part but Gaudreau wasn’t a Sutter type and he had a career year

08 Mar 2023 17:08:29
Funny thing is Nylander is going to those corners, and fighting those puck battles now.

09 Mar 2023 05:51:19
After some research and reconsideration, I think the Flames maybe would look at a Hanifin for Nylander swap, cap considerations aside.

The Flames need offence, and Nylander is a legit top six right wing.
76 pts (so far) playing behind Marner is nothing to sneeze at, and if he bought in, he could thrive under Sutter’s coaching as other talented players have.

My concern, though, is that the Flames haven’t replaced the size and belligerence their top six lost this past offseason. They actually didn’t have enough even with Tkachuk. Kadri can help, but more is needed.
Nylander is not that type of player, but he would certainly help their offence, which has been excruciating this season.

12 Mar 2023 21:07:24
There is no reason for the Leafs to trade Nylander. Dubas will fit him in under the cap somehow even though he will get close to Taveres money now. Besides there is no one on or even two players on the Flames that the Leafs would need.

The Leafs have a good roster. Like all teams they have strengths and weaknesses but overall they are competing with all the teams.

16 Mar 2023 14:18:29
Sure. that's what the leafs need. another 10M player.

It's not easy to fill in a deep NHL roster with too many guys making double-digit millions. The leafs prove the importance of depth and balance in the first round of the playoffs year after year.

Re-signing a guy like him instead of reallocating cap space to areas of need doesn't show much hockey acumen.

07 Mar 2023 01:32:19
Calgary Flames :
LW - Andrew Mangiapane (5.80 @ 2 UFA)

Seattle Kraken :
C/LW - Yanni Gourde (5.16 @ 2 UFA)

08 Mar 2023 04:04:41
Can’t see it from Calgary’s perspective.
Mangiapane is five years younger.
If anything, Flames should get younger.

08 Mar 2023 09:31:39
@Burner89 was rewatching Tampa’s cup runs, Gourde and Coleman were so dominate together. That’s my reasoning but I do agree with the age part

06 Mar 2023 19:34:02
At The Draft.

Arizona Trades
Keller
Schmaltz
Cooley (Big-10)
1st Round Pick 2023 (Sens Pick)
3rd Round Pick 2023

Toronto Trades
Matthews
Muzzin (LTIR)
NRobertson (LTIR/AHL)

Arizona and Toronto are in different positions and it's not just how good each team is, Arizona is about selling tickets first and winning is second.
Matthews is a huge selling feature and they do also get one of the best players in the NHL to start there rebuild.

Toronto is at a point no matter how the playoffs go of changing some things up, one of the core 4 I believe has to go to make them better overall, yes none of these players from Arizona are as good as Matthews but overall The Leafs are better having those 3 over Matthews, Cooley would be able to continue playing with Knies in Toronto also, plus having an extra 1st Rounder in a deep draft only helps for the future.


Thoughts ?

07 Mar 2023 00:38:26
You may be right Pinball.

The leafs will likely have new management in place next year, and I expect the team and Matthews will be dogged all this summer and next season with “will they sign him/ will they trade him” questions at every turn.

Similar to Dubois’ suspected move to MTL, I’m not sure ARI or MTL offer a generous trade for assets they can sign for no assets as a UFA the following year. Add to that the fact ARI is playing in a 5000 seat arena for 3 years, and they’ll be unlikely to want to take on a big salary like Matthews’ one year sooner than needed.

Whatever happens, it will be a precedent setter in the NHL moving forward.

07 Mar 2023 00:51:34
This is ridiculous players like Mathews aren’t traded ever. That’s about as likely as Edmonton trading McDavid. Side note if the leafs were in the west with this roster they’d be stanly cup favourites ( due to not being worn out in playoffs due to less competition)

07 Mar 2023 01:08:14
There's just no reason for Arizona to do it. If Matthews wants to sign there he will, so it's pointless to pay heavily to get him early. He's not going to sell tickets, people in Arizona don't care about hockey, so it won't make a difference.

It just makes Arizona's pick slightly worse than it would be without Matthews. They might as well keep the assets and get a better pick.

07 Mar 2023 01:13:09
VB - you post some ridiculous things but this is some of the most “out there” you’ve ever written…and that is saying something.

Gretzky was traded. Matthews can be traded.

The leafs wouldn’t be the Stanley Cup favourites in the West. Last time I checked they traded a bunch of future in a last minute attempt for Dubas to save his own job…AND still didn’t get a goalie.

Be serious if you want to be taken seriously.

07 Mar 2023 01:19:04
Are you saying that Arizona is having trouble selling tickets to fill up the 4600 seat arena?
If that is the case, then they really need to move that joke of a franchise.

07 Mar 2023 11:34:17
I can't understand, after 25 years of losing money, no fans, no arena. that they are still in the league.

08 Mar 2023 12:24:40
Yes because a goalie with top 3 playoff pedigree in the NHL Murray and a Vezina candidate in Samsonov is the leaf’s biggest need when they have Cal Jarnkrok and Bunting ( 2 3rd line players assuming you haven’t heard of them ) as the leafs top 2 LW. You don’t watch the leafs. You have zero clue what there needs are.

Samsonov has put up better numbers then Binnington, Jarry, Saros, Vanacek, Allen, Swayman, Freddy Andersen, oilers goalies and Gibson this season. No reason to say he isn’t ready for playoff duty.

08 Mar 2023 12:26:37
Yea Gretzky was traded for cash in a different era without cap. That’s a joke comparison. Mathews will leave as a UFA if he leaves at all because like I said players like him are never traded in the salary cap era.

08 Mar 2023 20:14:17
VB. wow.

- Murray is NOT a serious goalie anymore. Perhaps your Wikipedia is stuck in 2016.SEVEN years ago? (To catch you up, he stinks now, and can't stay healthy long enough to be relevant. )

- Samsonov has NEVER been a Vezina candidate, and isn't this year either. Hey, if you like him, great. Just don't peddle that kind of nonsense because it makes you look foolish.

- I like how you write and spell like someone with serious issues, yet you try to come off condescending. It never fails to make me laugh and wonder what must be wrong with you. (try to read that opening sentence of yours and see if you think it makes ANY kind of sense. You really paint a picture! ) : )

- I'll check in with you again in the playoffs when you're in full "train-wreck" mode. (I suspect Vasilevsky will be a slight obstacle to overcome. )

08 Mar 2023 20:16:15
The only joke was your assertion about Matthews not getting traded in the first place.

I suspect he'll pull a "Tkachuk" and simply say he doesn't intend to re-sign, and the team will be forced to salvage what they can via trade. Even Pinball sees that coming. It'll be a surprise to you, and you alone.

09 Mar 2023 12:29:22
Shocker: The Hockey Writers' Jim Parsons article about Matthews likely to be traded this summer:

Article about Matthews

Get ready for a flood of these articles after the leafs are bounced in the playoffs and look to recoup some of the futures that Dubas traded to rescue his rebuild and his job.

03 Mar 2023 17:12:37
Detroit Trades
Perron

Toronto Trades
Kerfoot
Holl
1st Round Pick 2023 (Boston's Pick)

Nothing complex and Kerfoot and Holl would either have Detroit on their 10 team trade list, or agree to go to Detroit otherwise it isn't happening, but Perron was great with O'Reilly in St.Louis so he would fit in and moving WNylander on the 3rd line with Jarnkrok and Kampf makes the 3rd Line better as well.
Detroit just looking to the future and getting another 1st Round Pick for a 34 year old player in the big picture is something Yzerman would do 10 out of 10 times where his team is at this point.


Thoughts ?

04 Mar 2023 12:45:47
Putting our leading goal scorer on the 3rd line where he would be asked to play a more defensive game in attempts to shut down the top two lines of the opposing team would blow up in our face. Only players that should move between the top three lines are O'Reilly and Jarnkrok because they can play both sides of the puck tremendously.

05 Mar 2023 01:48:49
EDM & the leafs made some great moves at the deadline.

Both look like they’ll regret not getting a goalie.

05 Mar 2023 07:39:35
I don't know about the value or reasoning on this trade. Bertuzzi would've been the perfect add, it's a shame that Leafs couldn't grab him.

05 Mar 2023 11:25:32
CASUAL: perhaps about Bert, but goaltending is magnified in the playoffs. Neither EDM or the leafs have adequately addressed their biggest weaknesses.

Perhaps it’s just me, but what does it matter how many big moves you make anywhere else if your goalies are sieves?

05 Mar 2023 15:54:48
I agree with you Chickenfoot, however, who would you have liked to see added for Goalies? What was available? Maybe Gibson?

05 Mar 2023 18:00:06
Besides Vaislasky and Flury what goalie in the NHL has a better playoff Pedigree then Murray? The leafs lost out by not getting a 2nd line LW that was there biggest need going into the deadline and the biggest need going out.

06 Mar 2023 10:32:37
SOSA: Saros would have been #1, and given the rebuild and change of GM that had been announced, there’s a decent chance he would have been available. Besides your Gibson suggestion, Varlamov has a far better save% than anyone in EDM or TOR. He probably could have been had for a 3rd.

Murray and Campbell looked like 2 guys that don’t belong in the league Saturday night. These two teams blew it by not even grabbing a depth G at the deadline.

06 Mar 2023 17:08:21
Campbell could be a buyout candidate in the off-season.

07 Mar 2023 00:24:54
I think you’re right EBS. A buyout would range from 1.1M - 2.6M over 8 years.

EDM has such an ugly history of buyouts & withholding bad money on awful deals. Ideally they can trade it with sweeteners, but a buyout for that bum Campbell certainly seems likely.

07 Mar 2023 23:24:20
Yeah I don’t think they can do 8 years it wouldn’t be a smart move. But maybe pick up a goalie at next years deadline then buy him out with 3 years left if his season goes badly. They have Lucic and Sekera dead money coming off the books then in 2 years Neal will be off.
How long were the Suter, Parise buyouts? Those were a bad move.

08 Mar 2023 19:37:38
Yes because 1 game defines a NHL career. A superstar goalie like Vais, Patrick Roy, Hasek, Brodoure, Plant, etc probably gets pulled 2 times out of 15 games played. Absolute consistency is impossible as a goalie it is less visible in players because a mistake doesn’t immediately result in a goal like it does for a goalie. Compare it to Golf tiger woods can go out and win a tournament then not make qualifiers the next. I’ll take a 2017 playoff Matt Murray over Saros any time of the week.

08 Mar 2023 20:22:06
Suter & Parise buyouts last another 5 years. OUCH!

Two more seasons at cap hits of 7.3M (EACH! ), plus 3 more seasons after that at .883M each. (Can you imagine Billy Guerin's conversation with the owner that day? They'd have to repaint the office. ) : )

08 Mar 2023 23:01:12
They barely saved any cap space because I’m pretty sure there deals would have been done after next season.

03 Mar 2023 16:30:02
LA - Petersen, Turcotte, 2024 1st

VAN - Demko

An off-season move if they don’t resign Korpisalo.

Petersen 28, has 2 years left at 5M. Demko 27, has 3 years left at 5M.

03 Mar 2023 19:20:46
That would be a great deal for both sides Ebs.

03 Mar 2023 22:37:30
Peterson is a cap dump, so essentially you're not really getting anything back for Demko lol. LAK needs to add

04 Mar 2023 01:40:54
Check out Demko’s numbers. Petersen has put up good numbers in the nhl before and he has one less year on his deal. VAN gets a first and solid prospect while getting a quality goalie back.

04 Mar 2023 02:37:50
Not sure I would consider Turcotte a solid prospect.
Maybe switch him out with Anderso-Dolan.

04 Mar 2023 12:55:55
Yeah that's true, it could work but I think they wanna avoid rebuilding. @ebsolutely

04 Mar 2023 12:56:03
Good post though!

04 Mar 2023 21:59:13
Sens dumped Murray for a 3rd along with 25% retention. So I don’t think the cost to dump Petersen would be that bad especially if there taking back another big contract in Demko. VAN doesn’t get much worse after the trade so I don’t see it as a rebuilding move.

05 Mar 2023 07:41:38
Yeah that's true, i agree with your logic but in my opinion I value Demko a lot more though. I just think he's a solid goalie. I'd love to hear what Canucks and Kings fans would say to this though.

05 Mar 2023 18:02:54
This is one take I absolutely disagree with. Petersen is making 5+ million in the AHL you don’t send a 5 million dollar player to the minors unless they are awful. Cal Petersen at one time was a NHL goalie but not anymore. He doesn’t belong in the big leagues and it was Rumoured it would cost Brandt Clarke to dump his contract.

06 Mar 2023 17:10:35
Maybe I’m underestimating how bad Petersen has been. But goalies regularly don’t have much value so getting a 1st and a decent prospect along with one less year of 5M for Demko is a good return IMO.

07 Mar 2023 00:52:54
You are vastly underestimating Petersens negative value. It’s literally 5 million dollars of dead cap.

07 Mar 2023 03:30:50
LA also has a hall of fame goalie and another that has gone 19-4-2. Petersen would make VAN’s team. It’s a risk for sure to trade for him but it could be worth it.

03 Mar 2023 13:49:30
TOR- Rielly and Kerfoot
VAN- Miller and Demko

Just the base. Picks could be involved.

Fair or nah?

03 Mar 2023 14:00:06
Vancouver loses bad.

03 Mar 2023 14:39:33
Reilly has a NTC.

03 Mar 2023 14:52:27
I love your enthusiasm MG, but that would be pretty generous of VCR.

- Miller and Demko would draw major interest. (Teams like LA would be hot after Demko if they could nab him. )

- Kerfoot is on an expiring deal and is of zero use to a rebuilding team.

- your leafs have made some exciting adds, which is always lots of fun! But if I were you, I’d want to add a solid goalie to steal some playoff games. It’s the last obvious item on the ol’ “to do” list. It would be a shame to trade so many futures for this one shot and not address the most important position on the ice.

Good luck and enjoy the last day of trading before the big dance🤜.

03 Mar 2023 14:57:43
Rielly has a no trade clause, he can't be traded.

03 Mar 2023 15:17:06
Rielly is from BC so I wouldn't be shocked at all if he waived it to go there. Do I think it will happen, no. Do I think Rielly is expendable after all the moves, 100%. I'd love to get a top goalie to steal us games, but the only one that may be available is Saros and if I'm Nashville it's taking an absolute haul to get him.

03 Mar 2023 20:39:57
Nucks are rebuilding, but would never trade their #1a center and their #1 goalie for a 29 yr old #1 d, regardless of picks.

03 Mar 2023 22:18:54
Considering their GM I wouldn't put it passed him lol. I won't be surprised if a deal involving Rielly going to the Canucks happens at the draft or off season. Especially if he gets outplayed down the stretch and in the playoffs.

03 Mar 2023 22:38:06
Vancouver says no, they're giving up the better assets.

04 Mar 2023 01:01:23
MG: What the heck is up with VCR? Trade for a ‘23 1st…good…then trade it for Hronek?

VCR doesn’t know what they are. Rebuilding or avoiding rebuilding. I agree…. anything is possible …. or not…. with VCR.

04 Mar 2023 12:38:26
Chickenfoot- It seems like they are attempting more of a retool like when Chicago did it when they had to unload Ladd and Buff after they won the cup. They have some good pieces, but IMO after the mismanagement of their captain I wouldn't be surprised if it turns top players away from signing there as FAs. Almost have to commit to a natural rebuild or overpay for players to make them more competitive.

04 Mar 2023 14:48:10
VCR needs more than a retool. The thing that holds VCR back from whatever plan they decide on is ownership’s meddling and ever-changing mindset. Francesco can’t stop meddling, and even Trevor Linden as Team President couldn’t buy the GM and coach some space to do their jobs. It will never change until the team is sold, and that’s unlikely.

05 Mar 2023 18:05:54
Who in this world uses VCR as a acronym for Vancouver ( VAN )

03 Mar 2023 12:55:43
Wild proposal that would work.

The Leafs would start by activating MMurray and sending down Woll to The AHL which gives Toronto exactly a 850.00 in Cap Space.

First they would trade NRobertson to Vancouver for Freeland, The Leafs than put Freeland on LTIR giving them a Cap Space of 2,650.000.

Than Toronto trades WNylander, Kampf and Holl to Detroit for Raymond and Perron, the Cap Space after that trade would be 7,437.366.

Than to end the deadline Vancouver sends JTMiller to The Leafs for a 1st Round Pick 2023 (Boston's Pick), and a 1st Round Pick 2024 with still 2,187.366 in Cap Space which will be used for Matthew Knies and any AHL callups needed for the rest of the season as only Cap matters after today not roster size.

So in the end players in and out on NHL rosters.

In - JTMiller, Raymond and Perron
Out - WNylander, Kampf and Holl

If Dubas wants to shake todays deadline this would definitely do that.


Thoughts ?

03 Mar 2023 13:36:07
I think we may see Kerfoot and Rielly get dealt to Vancouver. Miller, Demko, and a pick coming back this way. Clears a lot of cap. Solidifies our forward group. Gives us another goalie option to work with. Last night Rielly played on the 3rd pairing. His play hasn't been that great as of late. The left side is in good shape still if they do deal him. He'd likely be open to heading home. Should be an interesting day regardless.

03 Mar 2023 14:49:12
MG69
Rielly has a NTC in his contract, so he can't be traded to any team, Rielly and Tavares are the only 2 on Toronto that have a no trade clause in their contracts.

03 Mar 2023 14:52:57
You don’t gain cap space by trading for someone on ltir.

03 Mar 2023 15:12:18
That is super creative Pinball, kudos.

I also agree with moving someone like Nylander for non-perimeter players who can still score the kind of greasy playoff goals that come from battles in tough areas.

I’m also not big on Robertson, who is too small and fragile to be considered a top-end prospect by other franchises.

As I’ve said, if Dubas comes away with a solid goalie today, that would be solid work. Doesn’t even have to be one of the sexy big names. Varlamov could probably be had cheap, and his playoff numbers are solid.

Still, you put a lot of thought into this one, so kudos man👍.

It will be interesting to see what does, and doesn’t happen. I tend to think it’s always the teams that make sneaky, under the radar trades, that tend to make the biggest difference. BOS made an awesome trade with the Orlov deal, and CAR hasn’t done much, but did some great work over the years to get to this point.

There will be some very, very good teams out in the first round. I’ve never seen the east so tight with quality teams. The playoffs will be exceptional this year!

03 Mar 2023 15:16:30
Ebsolutely
Yes you do, know the Cap loopholes.

03 Mar 2023 16:32:27
You can just go over the cap by whatever the LTIR number is. In your trade they would free up whatever Robertson makes.

03 Mar 2023 16:40:40
If what you say is true Arizona would have like an extra 30M in cap with all the guys they have on LTIR. So they can magically spend 110M not including those guys? They can spend 82M and an extra 30M goes towards guys that don’t play. Leafs can ice 82M not 84M because they traded for a guy on LTIR.

03 Mar 2023 17:06:16
PINBALL: Ebs is correct regarding LTIR this time of the year.

04 Mar 2023 20:34:46
Holl has a no trade contract.