NHL rumours 2

13 Dec 2019 17:16:22
Leafs-Matthews kapinen and liljegren
CBJ- Dubois and Jones

Leafs get better on the back end while adding a solid #2 center man and gain cap space. Jackets get a top center and top 6 winger and A potential top 3 dman that could break their roster next year if not this year. Columbus may be a good place for Matthews as he visably doesn't like the media attention in Toronto he could fly under the radar and just do his thing.

13 Dec 2019 17:28:52
CBJ hang up on this obvious crank call. Easy no.

13 Dec 2019 18:15:25
Not terrible value but the leafs will not be trading a top 10 player in the league who still has 5 years left on his contract.

13 Dec 2019 18:21:14
wow. Joe knows so much about how all the other teams think. Doesn’t matter that Jones and Dubois combined don’t have as many goals or points as Matthews, who is rated 8th overall for his position vs Dubois at 41. And a team that just lost five top forwards to free agency might want some replacements you would think no? But Joe is so smart he doesn’t have to tell us any way to make the trade work or his reasons for not liking it. We just take his word for it because he has proved to be right so many times in the past.

13 Dec 2019 18:38:36
Columbus doesn't touch this imo, I'd rather have Jones than Matthews. I'd rather have Dubois than kapanen and a spare part.

13 Dec 2019 18:58:34
Easy no from CBJ. Jones>Matthews, Dubois>Kapanen and Liljegren.

And Matthews is NOT a top 10 player in the league lmao. Draisaitl, McDavid, MacKinnon, Marchand, Pasternak, Eichel, Scheifele, Crosby, Malkin, Ovechkin are all better than Matthews, just to start with 10, could easily name more.

13 Dec 2019 19:53:59
So grateful @Vertius for clearing all that up. Putting the word “not” in all caps so must be right. Matthews night not be top 10 in the league, but he is most definitely ranked top 10 for his position. Leafs would bunch rather retain Matthews over Dubois any day. Jones is great, no doubt about it, but saying he’s better than Matthews or worth more than Matthews has got to be the dumbest thing you e said yet.

13 Dec 2019 21:36:39
Mathews is much better then Malkin, Marchand, Pasta, Eichel andSchifele.

13 Dec 2019 23:03:17
Vertius, I’m not a big fan of Matthews but you cannot deny he’s very skilled and I’m not one to say that draisaitl is a product of mcdavid, but you did label draisaitl as a top 10 player in the league. If Matthews being a pure shooter was playing in draisaitl place would he be considered a top 10 player in the league? This is pure speculation of course but is it not realistic to say that he (Matthews) could score 50-60 and top 100 points if playing along mcdavid? This is not a knock at Leon cause I think he’s a great player but you can’t seriously put Leon in top 10 in the league and not have Matthews in the top 15 or so. Matthews has proven he can carry a line and push the play, he’s not bad defensively how many points did Leon put up when mcdavid was hurt or when he was centeribg his own line?

14 Dec 2019 03:13:49
Lmao. Matthews is NOT better than Pasta, Marchand or Eichel. Wtf.

14 Dec 2019 04:25:39
He is atleast just as good as the 3.

14 Dec 2019 15:38:37
@HockeyFanatic. Well, sorry to burst your bubble but Jones IS better and more valuable than Matthews. I could care less if you agree with me. I'll just take my 10 agrees to one disagree and look at your 1 agree to 9 disagrees and assume most people think I'm right and not you. Lmao clown.

@Mertle. I never said Matthews wasn't skilled. You'd have to be blind not to see that the kid has mad skill and is one of the best pure goal scorers in he league, but the reason I say he isn't a top 10 player in the league is because offence isn't everything.

Anyone who can set their bias for him aside will tell you that most nights he doesn't use his size to it's full effectiveness, that his two way game is shoddy and that he just floats around on the ice out there. Once he fixes those issues I'll be more than happy to consider him a top 10 player, but until then, he doesn't deserve to be above anyone I listed. Sure, not all of them may be AS gifted offensively, but their two way games more than make up for the slight gaps in production.

As for Draisaitl? No, I don't think Matthews could do what Draisaitl has. I think Draisaitl has better hockey sense and is a better goal scorer than Matthews, and going back to my original points, unlike Matthews, Draisaitl uses his body, plays a solid two hundred foot game and skates hard every shift. For me the two aren't even comparisons.

More so, I think this anti-Draisaitl narrative needs to stop. He had 105 points in 82 games last year with 50 goals, and he has 55 points this year in 34, are you really going to try and tell me that ALL of that is because of McDavid? If so than you clearly haven't watched him play. Draisaitl is special. Do I think his points would drop without McDavid? Of course, a little, but not by these 40 or whatever ridiculous totals everyone else seems to think. He would still be at least a 90 point player with 40 goals without McDavid.

13 Dec 2019 14:00:28
Habs: Meier and Vlasic


Sharks: Price, Brook, and 2nd round pick.

13 Dec 2019 16:26:13
Wow. That would be a pretty easy no and don't call back from San Jose.

13 Dec 2019 18:24:21
Don’t see Mtl trading Price until Primeau has another year or two nhl experience. Maybe they run a tandem for a while and see how it goes before committing to Primeau without an alternative as plan B just in case.

13 Dec 2019 19:13:51
Let's just ease off on the Price trade rumours. . Primeau, may be a decent one, however, he has played 2 games. let's jus all relax here lol . Wasnt Lindgren also going to be the hier to the Habs net? Yes Primeau is the better prospect., but ya don't trade your star after a rough November.

14 Dec 2019 18:48:56
It's time to trade Price. His window to win a championship is narrowing rapidly. I just can't see Price spearheading the Habs to a Cup any time soon. The most savvy GMs out there know when the time is right to trade their star players. Regarding Price, the time is now. The sooner, the better for both parties.

13 Dec 2019 13:52:45
Habs: Meier, Vlasic, and 2nd round pick.

Sharks: Price, Fleury and Brook.

12 Dec 2019 23:58:11
Tor:
Sorokin
Mayfield

NYI:
Kapanen
Bracco

13 Dec 2019 05:49:19
Sorokin stays in Russia for 3 years and then becomes UFA, why would the leafs roll the dice like that?

13 Dec 2019 18:27:35
So instead of Sorokin then Facelift, why not Soderstrom? Though I doubt Leafs trade a good roster player like Kapanen for a echl/ ahl goalie and a third pairing defenseman.

13 Dec 2019 19:53:23
I agree hockeyfan, would sorokin or soderstrom solve the leafs backup goalie issue? They could just call up Joseph woll if they need a goalie that isn't NHL ready.

12 Dec 2019 23:40:24
WPG: Vesalainen
BUF: Ristolainen

13 Dec 2019 05:56:02
I remember when memarcus would call Risto a depth defenseman that the Jets had ‘zero interest’ in, so this is kind of funny to see.

13 Dec 2019 13:32:21
I doubt the Jets have any interest in Ristolainen.

13 Dec 2019 14:42:10
They should have interest in him.

13 Dec 2019 15:48:06
Buffalo has been trying to pedal Risto for weeks now. If he was so great they should would want to keep him. He isn't worth Ves.

13 Dec 2019 17:21:38
They had Risto out there in talks before the season started because they have so many NHL caliber D men. Also have had Miller and Bogo out there as well. Few injuries set back any talks. Risto is actually playing decent too, and I hate Buffalo. Bogo now wants out. Might keep Risto.
Risto would look really good in Winnipeg. And next to Rielly in T. O.

13 Dec 2019 18:11:33
Considering Ves is basically a bust then Winnipeg would probably jump on this deal if offered. Too bad Buffalo has more sense than that.

Funny how a top 4 defenseman Joe likes seems to cost half the team and a 1st, but a player Joe doesn’t like can’t even bring in a return of AHL level bust. Weird how that works eh?

13 Dec 2019 18:14:37
Yupp Salming at 68 years old would look good playing next to overrated Rielly. lol.

12 Dec 2019 19:05:19
HABS: Maata

Hawks: Cousins and Fleury.

12 Dec 2019 21:10:50
Not a chance . I really like Fluery, I think he can be a solid top 4 D man on Habs for years to come.
Never been a big fan of Maata.

13 Dec 2019 18:32:57
I don’t see how this helps Chicago either. They want to compete now and Fleury + Cousins doesn’t help them get any better for the immediate future. Fleury does look good though, so I can’t see Mtl trade him either.

12 Dec 2019 17:46:53
Tor - A. Matthews, 3rd round pick 2020
Win - M. Scheifele, Nik Ehlers

Who adds or is it fair?

12 Dec 2019 18:19:05
Toronto would be adding, especially considering contracts.

12 Dec 2019 18:22:19
Matthews for 4 more seasons after this for $11.634M. Or.
Scheiffle for 4 more seasons after this for $6.125M.
I’m taking Scheiffle all day long. And you want to add on Ehlers?

12 Dec 2019 18:50:05
No chance the Jets would trade for that soft floater that doesn't drive the play but picks goals by floating to the weak side looking for a pass from his wingers. Try Arizona who might be dumb to trade for him and pay $11 mil.

12 Dec 2019 19:09:45
Considering Matthews is worth roughly the same as Scheifele AND Ehlers money wise Toronto adds. A lot. And that’s not to mention Matthews 200 foot game is inconsistent at best and tragic at worst. He can score, but that doesn’t excuse poor defensive play and floating around on the ice out there.

13 Dec 2019 10:49:00
Matthews isn't going anywhere. Winning adds a first and a nscknup goalie.

13 Dec 2019 13:15:14
Matthews isn't going to be traded, but if for some reason this was a scenario it wouldn't include Ehlers because Sheifele alone has higher trade value as a developed 2 way center with a team friendly cap hit.

To make this trade cap friendly for Toronto it would require a salary dump from Winnipeg, not another valuable asset such as a top 6 winger. This would look something like:

Matthews = Sheifele, Perrault. Even that would put Toronto over the cap due to the contract mismanagement so that would require another player to be added by Toronto. Its a hard pill to swallow but if the Leafs HAD TO trade Matthews it would require losing another player of significant cap (see Kapanen, Johnsson)

12 Dec 2019 05:42:01
To Col:
Fast

To Nyr:
Morrison + 3rd

Fast gives Col secondary scoring and doesn’t cost anything of value. Nyr gets more futures and a return on free agent Fast.