NHL rumours 2

22 Oct 2020 22:47:38
WPG
Laine

PHI
Konecny
Hagg

I know Laine maybe a stud. Goal scorer.
But Konecny can put up points as well. And does all the little things to win. Unlike Laine.
Laine did prove he can back check, but it's when he feels like it. I've seen Laine play.
He is not consistent.
Face it sooner or later Laine is going to be traded. I don't know how he is in the locker room, but heard Konecny is liked by his teammates. Team morale is important.
Hagg may not be the top 4 dman. But he is consistently solid.

23 Oct 2020 00:32:47
Easy no from Winnipeg.

23 Oct 2020 01:18:13
Not nearly enough for Laine.

23 Oct 2020 14:03:26
Konecny > Laine for me. It's not "jets hate" either. They are one of my favourite teams in the league. I just like Konecny's style of play and his contract. To each their own I guess.

24 Oct 2020 00:20:48
Big no from philly

They don’t need a 37 +/ - 7 goal scorer who is streaky

They are built for mark Scheifle type of guys. Edgy consistent players aka mature

Patrick, York, Konecny
For
Scheifle

That’s more like it.

24 Oct 2020 12:43:15
Bryan rust is a cheaper non circus act alternative that will get a team just as much production than sir whinesalot.

25 Oct 2020 00:13:28
Big no from Winnipeg. Massive under payment for Laine.

22 Oct 2020 17:34:11
ok this will get you going!!!
WPG-MIN
Rosco
Niku
Stanley

Greenway
Dumba

Wpg-NJ
Dumba 2nd rounder

Zacha
Woods
Severn

Wpg-NYI
Laine

Puloch
2 - 1st rounders

22 Oct 2020 18:25:20
The Jets would have trouble fitting all these players under the cap given Pulock will want $5-6 mil per. Minny and NJ wouldn't make these deals. Also the Jets would rather keep Laine.

22 Oct 2020 18:44:26
Greenway, Woods and Zacha aren't needed by the Jets and would have little value to Winnipeg because of that. Severson is alright, but if the Jets are getting Pulock, not needed.

Pulock is a nice start, but the Jets would probably prefer another young roster player or prospect to go along with one of the firsts.

In other words the trade has too many unneeded parts to work.

22 Oct 2020 18:47:52
I figured the other teams wouldn't accept but this is what Winnipeg requires.
Keeping Laine is, ultimately, going to turn into another Trouba scenario. he doesn't want to be here, Jets try and convince him to stay and finally get less than what the player is worth at his highest value.
regarding cap, it would not be hard to get all under cap, Little on LTIR, Perrault would have to go, Laine's 6.5mil comes off books.

22 Oct 2020 19:36:00
I wouldn't worry about it right now Unoman. The Jets still have Laine's rights for 3 more years.

22 Oct 2020 21:56:37
Woods 6'2, 200LBS great speed, not expensive, under 3mil
Zacha, 6'3", 210lbs. good speed, 2.2mil
Greenway, 6'6 225LBS, fast, plays with an edge, 2.1 mil
all RFA eligible

Perrault 5'10", 180lbs, injury prone the past few years, 4.1mil 32 years old
Roslovic 6'1" 185lbs, fast, needs to play in top six (wont happen here) RFA
Shore (gone) 6'1" 200lbs, good 4th liner 750k
Bourque (gone) 5'10 210 lbs, good 4th liner 700k

and Jets don't need them? Hmmmm did you watch the season last year or play offs for that matter. Jets are too small. Star players getting run, dmen, always looking over thier shoulders. Cannot have Shief, Ehlers fighting, don't need Wheeler having to answer the bell all the time, Lowry doesn't play enough minutes to scare other players! We play in a physical division BUT i guess you are right we don't need these guys or like players.

Regarding having Laine for 3 more years. another Trouba saga, don't WANT TOP BE HERE, POUT, HOLD OUT, SIGN AND PUT IN MANY LACKLUSTER PERFORMANCES. Awesome next three years, got to love your foresight.

23 Oct 2020 01:16:42
Unoman I agree about the Jets needing to increase their size, especially on the backend. They have Morrissey, Pionk, Heinola and Niku as speedy puck moving d-men but only Poolman and untested Samberg are big and can play a physical game.

24 Oct 2020 12:47:04
I know jersey has been looking to add some acts to reopen the board walk but this 1 trick pony wouldn’t bring anything to the walk. Jersey would rather keep the walk closed then spend foolishly on a Winey baby.

22 Oct 2020 16:43:11
Buffalo Trades
Jokiharju
Mittlestadt (AHL)

Toronto Trades
Dermott
Engvall

Sabres are weak at Left Defense and strong on Right Defense and the Leafs the opposite plus Jokiharju and Lehtonen played together for Finland at The World's.
I believe Buffalo are ready to part ways with Mittlestadt with Cozens close at Centre to becoming a full time NHLer, The Leafs add some depth at Centre adding prospect Mittlestadt and The Sabres getting a good bottom 6 Winger with speed and size that is good at the PK.
I know Dubas said he is done but you can always tweek some to your roster and this proposal does that.

Thoughts ?

22 Oct 2020 18:15:52
Doesn't look like a great fit for either team.

Trading young players is a risky thing unless you're loading up for a cup run, and neither team is in that position yet.

I wouldn't give up Mittlestadt regardless.

22 Oct 2020 19:07:31
Chickenfoot do you even look at NHL Teams and there Rosters?
What you troll is just that.

23 Oct 2020 17:26:25
It’s a no from Buffalo like almost every other time you proposed a trade similar to this. There not going to just give Mittelstadt away yet.

23 Oct 2020 21:48:37
Imagine having 8th overall in 2016 and picking Alex Nylander (left Sergachev, mcavoy and others on the board) . Then they follow that up with Middlestadt 8th overall in 2017 leaving Suzuki, Brannstrom and a few others just behind him. Rough.

23 Oct 2020 21:51:36
Like obviously the 1st and 2nd overall guys (eichel/ dahlin/ reinhart) they did well with, bit missing on a cpl later top 10s is the difference Between getting out of a rebuild with a solid foundation and firing your 3rd GM in a few years to start again.

24 Oct 2020 12:49:34
At the time of the draft Nylander and especially Mitteldstad were really good pick I’m not sold on them being busts.

22 Oct 2020 05:47:06
WPG - PHI

RW, Patrik Laine

RD, Philippe Myers
C, Nolan Patrick
2021 - First Round Pick


WPG - CGY

RW, Patrik Laine

LD, Noah Hanifin
C, Dillon Dube
2021 - First Round Pick
LD - Jérémie Poirier



Connor - Schiefele - Wheeler
Ehlers - Patrick - Roslovic

Morrissey - Myers
Beaulieu - Pionk


Connor - Schiefele - Wheeler
Ehlers - Dube - Roslovic

Morrissey - Pionk
Hanifin - DeMelo

22 Oct 2020 13:16:44
For the Philly trade Myers and the first is a nice start, but Patrick is worthless and would need to replaced by something of good value.

The Calgary trade does nothing for Winnipeg and doesn't have enough value. Easy no.

22 Oct 2020 14:40:19
Statsny would be 2c over dube and Patrick. I don't think the value is too bad, wpg gets depth but loses a bit of the top end, vice versa for cgy and phi. I don't think this actually improves either cgy or wpg. Phi gets better, but only if Patrick doesn't turn into what they hope they drafted.

22 Oct 2020 15:15:01
I like Patrick and would like him included in any trade for Laine but this offer is a bit light from the Flyers. The Calgary offer isn't close.

22 Oct 2020 18:20:12
Island Jet - I tend to agree with you on this and other comments. Some of these proposals are such HOMER deals they're embarrassing!

22 Oct 2020 18:47:21
Notacasuals deals are always ridiculously slanted for Calgary and against the Jets and in proposals he makes with those teams involved.

24 Oct 2020 06:11:08
Dream on Winnipeg fans.

Laine isn't worth half what you think he is. If he was he'd be on the first line and the team wouldn't even think about trading him.

24 Oct 2020 12:48:29
Laine can’t even sell merch

Why would philly want this eye dripping baby.

21 Oct 2020 19:45:57
Philadelphia Trades
Konecny
York (Big-10)
1st Round Pick 2021

Winnipeg Trades
Laine

Thoughts ?

21 Oct 2020 19:50:29
It fills no needs for Winnipeg and is just a downgrade at wing. No from the Jets.

21 Oct 2020 20:10:49
No from Philly! I don't think I would do Konecny for Laine straight.
Konecny is signed for 5 more years at $5.5 which will help a lot during the flat cap times.

21 Oct 2020 20:37:30
Your expecting an upgrade memarcus?

21 Oct 2020 20:47:44
No Ebs, I would expect Chevy would be looking for a player that plays a position of need for the Jets, from everything they've said. Wing is the last thing Winnipeg needs.

21 Oct 2020 20:53:07
Konecny is playing above his salary, he won't get more goals than laine, but probably cash up in assists. Plays a bit more of a defensive game. Laine has a high ceiling, but he has to get there.

I think konecny plus a small add is closer, but you're trading for "maybe" getting a50 goal player.

21 Oct 2020 21:36:56
This is another humorous offer for Laine that Chevy will turn down.

21 Oct 2020 22:11:03
Konecny scored 4 less goals and 2 less points than Laine last year while being better at every other aspect of the game than him.

If I were philly, I wouldn’t add to him to get Laine.

21 Oct 2020 22:54:52
Lol. Konecny is a year older than Laine and his best season is only better than Laine's worst season. The extents people on here go to with Jet hate is hilarious.

21 Oct 2020 23:56:35
York and a 1st to upgrade 20ish points? Hell, this season they were basically at the same point pace. That seems like a lot, no? Plus, KONEcnys like Gallagher, so that's added incentive on his part.

22 Oct 2020 12:52:23
Jets take this and run.

22 Oct 2020 14:45:05
If any team trades for laine, they're banking on him being a40-50 goal scorer with the team.

He hasn't shown it'll come regularly, but he's shown he's capable, which is why jets fans are high on his value and others are low. The problem with "he can score 45/ year" is he has to do it to be it.

24 Oct 2020 00:13:43
Am I missing something here? Did Laine get 50 goals or pace for 50 ever?

That’s what I thought

44 isn’t 50
28 in 68 isn’t 50

Where did this 50 come from?

He’s a 37 goal scorer who hits 44 on good year and 30 on bad year. Nothin more or less really

Also a +8 to a -24 kind of guy. Yeah something I’d stay far away from until he matures. Kocecny is turning into Sean cotourier as he matures. rather that overall game vs a streaky scorer. That’s me though

Philly passes for sure.

21 Oct 2020 15:59:23
Laine has been spotted working out with Barkov in Finland. Doesn’t mean much on its own, but Panthers are apparently a team in on Laine.

With Hoffman and Dadanov leaving in Free Agency they have the money and need for a scorin winger.

FLA - Laine

WPG - RHD Mackenzie Weegar
C/ W Owen Tippett
2021 1st Rd Pick
2022 2nd Rd pick

Weegar is a good 2 way Dman that can play right away, won’t be expensive. Tippett has a ton of potential and can be the long term solution to the 2nd line centre hole when Statsny leaves again.

21 Oct 2020 16:09:50
Laine is a serious talent. An offer like this gets you nothing but dial tone.

21 Oct 2020 16:15:52
I can see the Jets maybe having an interest in Weegar, but at 26 and just okay and listed as an LD, not likely for Laine. Tippet is meh. He's only a year younger than Laine and has done nothing.

If this was the best offer out there, I think Chevy just keeps Laine and looks around again next summer if need be.

21 Oct 2020 17:32:02
Florida might be better waiting to see if they can offer sheet him next year.

They're under orders to save the owner money though, from the last I heard.

21 Oct 2020 17:58:07
Stop with the second pairing d-men, 3rd line forwards and future picks for Laine. Chevy wants a top line forward, or a top pairing d-man back for Laine. The Jets won't be trading Laine for a quantity of easily replaced players.

21 Oct 2020 18:03:34
Yeah, the old offer sheet gag. There's a couple problems with it though, besides offer sheets almost never being used.

1. If Laine wants out of Winnipeg, he won't sign one and risk Winnipeg matching.

2. Winnipeg matches anything that isn't in the 4 firsts compensation range.

It would likely just be cheaper, asset wise, to try and negotiate a fair trade.

21 Oct 2020 20:56:45
Not an old gag, offer sheet him 8mil, 1 year. He'll still be rfa after and will need 8mil qualifying offer to stay rfa. If wpg wants to pay, they can.

I don't believe laine wants out of the peg, just wants to play with the best centre on his team.

21 Oct 2020 21:53:07
So you're saying a pointless market value offer sheet that would be matched? What would you be accomplishing?

If Laine will sign at $8 mil the Jets will gladly sign him long term.

21 Oct 2020 22:20:12
You do what Calgary did to the Avalanche for O’Reillys offer sheet.

They gave him a 2yr $10M. A $5M AAV which was fine, Avs matched. But CAL staggered the salary at $3.5 and $6.5M. So the Qualifying offer, is based on the final year, was going to be near $7M afterwards. As soon as O’Reilly signed that he probably knew he wasn’t going to be in Colorado long term. .

So you sign Laine for 2yrs $17M ($8.5M cap hit) it’s still within the limit to only give up a 1st, 2nd and 3rd but you make the salary $6.5 in year 1 and $10.5M in year 2. (Or some other combo) . That then forces his QO to be in the $11M range after and puts Jets in a tougher spot than just matching 1 yr @ $8M.

21 Oct 2020 23:01:32
Except that Laine would be UFA after the second season anyways, so there is no QO.

So the offering team would be either signing Laine to a market value contract for the Jets for 2 years, or screwing themselves by giving up some good picks by only having Laine for 2 years and walking him to UFA.

22 Oct 2020 13:23:00
They would be making it a 2 year contract for Laine to sign and they would get Laine for a 1st 2nd and 3rd. OR Jets match and that allows Laine to walk right into UFA which the jets would not want, you always want to buy up some UFA years.

It would also mean that after they match it, they’re not allowed to trade him for 1 calendar year from that date, so they would only be able to trade him with 1 year of team control instead of 2-3 like they have now and next off season.

1 year of team control vs 2-3 years definitely affects the return you will get for him, so YES doing what I suggested puts the Jets in a tougher spot than they otherwise would be.

22 Oct 2020 18:59:41
Other than it being stupid for the offering team to do that. Because as you said you always want to buy up some UFA years, but this offer sheet has the offering team give up a 1st, 2nd and 3rd, getting Laine for two years and then letting him walk as a UFA. Not many teams are going to give up those picks, pay a good salary and them have nothing to show for it in two years. I don't think you would find one team that would do something so futile.

So I guess, if Chiarelli becomes a GM again, or you find some other brain dead GM, this might have a 1 in one million shot of happening. But outside of that, probably not.

However, continue to fantasize about an offer sheet, we all know how common they are. I mean look how many offer sheets Tampa had faced this hear with the situation they're in.

22 Oct 2020 21:54:48
I’m not fantasizing about it. Someone else mentioned an offer sheet and I’m just saying it is possible to use one to make things slightly less comfortable for the Jets

Never said I think it will happen, never said I think it should happen. But they do exist and, while not popular, Laines friend and world Junior linemate Sebastian Aho signed one last off season. So despite your certainty, it is possible.

I’ve said all along, I believe they trade him (for less than you believe he’s worth) before an offer sheet is possible next off season.

21 Oct 2020 00:52:32
Tor:
David Savard
Kevin Stenlund

Clb:
Pierre Engvall
Justin Holl
2021 4th

20 Oct 2020 16:35:50
Laine probably won't be moved because I can promise with absolute certainty with this financial situation no team will step up and pay a big price for a winger demanding huge salary next year. Any deal the jets would make will be a loss other teams no he wants out and their leverage is low. They will probably ride out next year then he'll file for arbitration. I will bet my life savings that Laine will not be a career jet whether he leave VIA trade or Free agency. Let's be realistic Jets won't move him within the conference.

Teams that can't afford him or don't have a need are- Islanders, Capitals, Montreal, Toronto, Rangers, Penguins, and Tampa

Him and Torts is a no go so forget Columbus

That leaves Carolina, Florida, New Jersey, Boston, Buffalo, Detroit, Ottawa and Philly

Out of those 8 teams atleast a couple aren't interested due to his attitude, internal cap, Coaches opinion, aren't willing to meet asking price, contract uncertainties, etc

Realistically Ottawa won't pay that next huge contract so they're out. Carolina is interesting maybe something around Pesce or Hamilton, Florida could put together a good futures package, Detroit could offer something around Mantha, Boston would certainly move Debrusk +, New Jersey would probably do Pamileri + Severson, Buffalo would offer Risto+ futures and Philly is probably the most interesting with a deep prospect pool/ win now pieces but they probably are looking to replace Niskannen

20 Oct 2020 16:59:05
Not much in there is based on any actual fact or report. The only thing correct in this post is that Laine probably won't be traded, at least right now. I think that is the only thing Nylander has ever gotten right in one of his/ her posts.

20 Oct 2020 19:49:50
I don't understand where they considered him to have and add a tude.

20 Oct 2020 19:50:26
Having a preference of who you want to play with is no different for him than it is when tavares wanted to play with marner.

20 Oct 2020 21:15:44
Unless Laine says he doesn't want to stay in Winnipeg he won't be traded anytime soon. The Jets have control of him for 3 more years so they aren't in any hurry to make a move.

20 Oct 2020 21:39:41
He is known to be overconfident and be negatively vocal. He often blames the team and not himself. He isn’t a leader but he also isn’t a locker room cancer. Any team would want him but he is very overrated by jets fans and wouldn’t return as much as people think probably a quantity package.

21 Oct 2020 02:16:21
A lot of what Nylander said makes sense and is factual memarcus. In fact the two teams I’ve heard most heavily linked to him right now are Florida and Philly but neither willing to give up what Winnipeg wants. His agent also said they haven’t demanded a trade but think it’s the best option for both parties.

21 Oct 2020 10:37:45
I agree with a lot of things that Nylander said but to say he’s overrated is a bit of a stretch. Everyone would love to have a pure goal scorer on their team. He also got way better with his defensive game, he’s 6’5 so it would be huge if he played his actual size.

21 Oct 2020 13:42:35
Laine never talks negatively about his team mates only his own play. He's hard on himself and wants to win. Both Laine and Ehlers have only played with a good center for 3 months when the Jets traded for Stastny. Now with Stastny back he and Ehlers finally have a center they both have chemistry with. The Jets will have a 1A, 1B top two lines which will both be getting close to equal ice times. Now its all about Laines contract so expect his agents to do all the talking as Chevy never negotiates in the press.

21 Oct 2020 14:49:53
Jets fans act like he’s worth a 1c when in reality he’s a one dimensional winger coming off a weak season. Laine can’t drive a line he is a complimentary piece. That’s what a lot of people don’t understand. He’s basically a winger version of Kevin Hayes with a top 3 shot in the nhl who doesn’t use his size.

21 Oct 2020 15:50:40
Philly has been rumoured in on him all along but don’t want to part with Sanheim or Koneckny in a Deal for him.

Florida is now heating up as he’s been seen working out with Barkov in Finland and panthers just let Hoffman and Dadonov walk, meaning they saved their money and lost near 60 goals from their roster.

Thirdly I wouldn’t count CBJ out because Jarmo Kaikaleinen has the Finnish connection and loved him before his draft year and said long before Laine was Considered a top 3 pick that he was better than Puli and it wasn’t a popular opinion at the time. They also cleared a ton of cap for Hall and missed out. (Just not sure about a Laine/ Tortorella relationship) CBJ is a very blue collar team as constructed.

21 Oct 2020 16:14:25
I tend to agree, and given that your name is "Nylander", that's saying something.

IF C.V. were over, I can see a team that's struggling try to make a deal for him, or sign him, to help build excitement among a struggling team's fan base. But who knows when that will be.

I think Winnipeg trades him, within the conference or not, because they simply have to make the best deal for that franchise.

21 Oct 2020 18:05:23
Matthews is the timid, one trick pony who doesn't drive the play but needs line mates to set him up in order to score. Don't worry the Jet have no intention of trading Laine anytime soon so all of these foolish posts are good for a laugh.

21 Oct 2020 18:23:53
Philly would absolutely trade Sanheim+ for Laine. I get there a little weak on D but it’s hard to think they wouldn’t make that trade.

21 Oct 2020 19:37:09
Yeah. The guy that is putting up near historic numbers for goal scoring at even strength doesn’t know how to drive the play. lol

Look at percentage of goals scored by AM and PL on the PP vs 5v5, then goals standing still on a half way vs the rush, vs tips in front of the net, rebounds etc. Not even close. One guys goal totals are divided Equally amongst Different ways. The other guy is 40% the exact same goal when someone else does all the work and puts it on a tee for him.

Not to mention Matthews has 20 more career goals in 30 less games than the Next Ovi in WPG.

Laine is the Jets 4th best forward behind Sheif, Wheeler and Connor. The Leaf comparable to Laine is Nylander, always has been, always will be.

22 Oct 2020 00:02:07
Where did AUSton come from? Lol. And for all the talk that Laines going to outproduce Auston in goals and that's why Laine>MAtthews? Matthews is beating him in goals, lol. SAmpson perfectly wraps that arguement up, imo.

22 Oct 2020 13:18:22
Ebs the reports right now are that Sanheim is off limits in a Laine deal. Can always change but right now they haven’t been willing to include him.

22 Oct 2020 16:13:24
TopShelf- Where did Auston come from in this conversation?

The short answer is “Winnipeg and Islandjets inferiority complex”.

22 Oct 2020 16:19:57
Fire the GM then. Lol that seems ridiculous. Sanheim is what a career number 4 maybe number 3 D?

22 Oct 2020 22:46:46
The Mathews comment isn’t worth replying to but the Flyers absolutely would not trade lSanhiem even for Laine he’s way to important. I get Laine has more value but Niskannen was a huge loss to their Dcore. Unless they Sign Hamonic or someone Sanhiem will stay as the Flyers #2 dman.