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26 Jun 2019 19:35:05
With the announcement of louongo retiring the Canucks I think will face a recapture penalty of around 3 mil for the next 3 years

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26 Jun 2019 20:10:00
that's an appetizer compared to what Montreal will face if Weber retires!

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26 Jun 2019 20:46:32
Montreal Dosent face it tho Nashville does. You’re welcome.

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25 Jun 2019 23:48:03
Fun little read for you guys:

Recent trades that almost happened

1. Taylor Hall to Ottawa for Cody Ceci
Apparently Melnyk didn't answer the phone quickly enough to PC got Larsson instead. (Hours before Hall got traded to New Jersey)

2. Sami Vatanen to Tampa Bay for one of Brayden Point, Vlad Namestnikov or Yanni Gourde (this is before Point broke out)

3. PK Subban to Vancouver for 2016 5th overall+ (2016 draft)

4. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins for Jonas Brodin (2016 draft)

5. Taylor Hall for Kevin Shattenkirk (+)
Oilers weren't interested that Shattenkirk had only one year left on his deal at the time, they contacted him and he told them he would not re-sign with them. (This was at the 2016 draft)

6. PK Subban to the Flyers for a first rounder and 1-2 roster players. Not known why it fell through (Days before Subban was traded to Nashville)

7. Dougie Hamilton to Edmonton (2015 draft) the deal was almost done but PC backed down as the asking price was too high and used many of the pieces going to Boston to acquire Griffin Reinhart

8. PK Subban to Edmonton for Draisaitl, 1st round pick and a top 4 defenceman

9. Fleury to Calgary for unknown pieces. Penguins backed out of the deal.

10. Matt Duchene to the Islanders for Travis Hamonic and a 1st. (Duchene was with Colorado)

11. Thomas Vanek + roster player to Boston for Tyler Seguin (2013 off-season)

12. Islanders trade their entire draft for Ryan Murray (2012 draft). Islanders picked up Reinhart 2 picks after Murray.

12.5 Also, in the 1980s the Maple Leafs and Oilers almost swapped cities. Leafs owner Ballard was having financial issues and Oilers owner Pocklington was in favour of moving the Oilers to Toronto because of the bigger market to show off Gretzky. Pocklington also offered 50 million dollars to Ballard, but Ballard backed down.

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26 Jun 2019 01:10:01
great read tyba, great memories.

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26 Jun 2019 01:11:43
I'm guessing Vanek and the extra pieces to Boston for seguin was when Vanek was with buffalo? I don't remember that one.

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26 Jun 2019 02:19:56
And you believe all of this?

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26 Jun 2019 02:36:08
Good read Ceci for Hall is common Knowledge and I thought the league disapproved the city swap?

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26 Jun 2019 09:30:09
Habby2
Yes, most of these were from well known insiders such as Elliotte Friedman, Darren Dreger, Pierre Lebrun and other reporters with credible track records.

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25 Jun 2019 23:01:10
Chicago Blackhawks are now the front-runners to sign free agent C/RW Joe Pavelski.

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26 Jun 2019 01:13:02
it's not the Minnesota wild anymore?

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26 Jun 2019 06:06:20
Gonna come to TB to win a cup :3.

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26 Jun 2019 11:16:49
If he comes to TB it's to be eliminated in the first rd.

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26 Jun 2019 15:14:11
They went to 3 ECF in 4 years but let’s stick with the rhetoric that somehow started before their one bad playoff showing.

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25 Jun 2019 17:12:35
W. Karlsson signed 8 years for less that $6M a season. That sounds like a great deal to me. Did that just help reset the market?

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25 Jun 2019 17:22:13
I think that’s fair value for him, but a lot of the other RFAs will still demand more because they are much younger than Karlsson and he really came back down to earth this year in a high scoring season. I expect a lot of the other big name restricted free agents to demand more unless they take a bridge deal.

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25 Jun 2019 19:29:55
Or maybe it had something to do with no state tax in Vegas ya think?

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25 Jun 2019 19:53:14
State tax implication an important consideration for sure as Habby pointed out

Apparently he also really likes it there so maybe he was a little more focused on staying there vs. maximizing his salary.

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25 Jun 2019 23:40:31
I believe Forbes said the difference between what Mark Stone makes on 9.5 mill in Vegas compared to California ends up being about 71k a year so I really don’t think there’s much of an impact. The difference between 5.9 and 6 mill.

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26 Jun 2019 02:21:30
Try doing it for the difference between Vegas and Montreal Toronto or New York?

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26 Jun 2019 06:08:18
y'all are aware that this tax argument is huge bs? It barely makes a difference.
Have you thought about the CAD/ USD factor, tho? THIS is a huge advantage to Canadian teams. They pay their players in USD, those same players live in CAN, tho. So 8.5M USC gives them 11.2M CAD buying power. How about that for an ACTUAL advantage.

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26 Jun 2019 11:10:19
Canadian income tax is a killer it more then evens out.

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26 Jun 2019 12:39:54
Pardon me Triplets and JBS but you are both clearly ill-informed on this issue.

Here's a snippet copy and pasted from Capfriendly: "Tavares makes $11 million in Toronto and his net salary is $5.145 million, while Kucherov’s $9.5 million salary in Tampa Bay nets him $5.781 million. Kucherov still has a higher net salary playing in Tampa Bay, even though Tavares gets paid $1.5 million more in Toronto. "

I would not say that "barely makes a difference"

Now as you pointed out players are played in USD, but that impact is largely offset by the higher prices paid for goods in Canadian dollars vs. USD (buying a Big Mac in Toronto has a higher nominal price tag than buying one in Florida) .

Also, a lot of the cities in high-tax areas (Toronto, New York, Vancouver, etc. ) are way more expensive to live in (buying/ renting homes) . So there's obviously a lot of moving parts, but you can see why living in Nevada (low tax, relatively inexpensive real estate, etc. ) would be appealing. They will never be able to make it perfectly even, but the NHL needs to find a way to shorten the gap in "true cap" between various regions because right now teams in states with low/ no income taxes have a material advantage over others, clearly contradicting the spirit of the salary cap which was designed to create parity and level the playing field.

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26 Jun 2019 15:15:30
Unsportsmanlike capfriendly simply takes contract by home tax rate. Forbes takes into what they are actually paying in taxes. Capfriendly ignores the 50% of games played on the road and the other loopholes players used. California is the highest taxed US state, Nevada has 0 state taxes. Difference on Stones 9.5 mill is 71k. It’s one of the biggest misconceptions in the sport made as an excuse as to why other teams can’t keep their players, it’s not like any of these teams has ever been grabbing superstars left and right on the open market. The impact is extremely overstated. And like VB said, Canada is taxed higher but being paid in USD and having expenses in CAD usually puts them ahead even if their entire salary was taxed in their home city. The Athletic also had an article about how the issue is really nonexistent.

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26 Jun 2019 15:16:40
Also since you used Tavares let’s go with him. All but like 650k a year is a paid in a bonus. If he had a Florida residency that entire bonus is taxed in Florida. He can then take one and RCA on the other 650k. He puts half his income into there and if he retires to Florida he can take it out at Florida tax rate. Tavares would then only be taxed outside of a no tax state for half (minus games played in those states) if his low annual salary, about 325k of his 11 mill annual salary. Like I said there are ways around the tax, unlike other imbalances people are ok with. You don’t see players in any sport rushing to Florida nor do non-state tax teams have a lot of success as a whole in any sport.

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26 Jun 2019 15:56:32
Also with the taxes, you pay taxes to where you are playing. So when you are on the road, you pay taxes to whoever you are visiting. It helps even it out, but in places like California where they play half of their games at home and a significant amount of road games within the same state it makes a bigger difference.

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25 Jun 2019 15:55:12
Tor marner and a 3rd
Car pesce teravinon (wrong spelling) and leafs 1st.

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25 Jun 2019 16:42:05
Lol leafs take the 4 1st round picks before that. I would take Noah Dobson over that whole package.

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25 Jun 2019 22:47:50
It's a puzzling to me why you can't just google Teräväinen's name. You're already on the internet, and i'm pretty sure typing '' (wrong spelling) '' takes as much time as just copying and pasting his name. All you need to do is open a new tab man.

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24 Jun 2019 01:15:41
Looks like the Pens will have some high picks next year.

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25 Jun 2019 04:42:16
What?

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23 Jun 2019 21:18:15
At this moment the leafs currently have 13.5 million in cap space but teams are allowed going over 10% of the cap in the offseason which many of you may have not known but they need to be under the cap by the beginning of the season so theoretically the leafs can spend 21 mil. So the leafs could easily sign everyone this offseason but it might cause a hectic offseason. As of now the leafs will be going into the season with

Rielly-Zaitsev
Muzzin-Lilijgren
Dermotte-Rosen

On defence. As you can see that is a very strong left side and an AHL level right side the leafs have deals in place with Kappanen signed 3 years at 3.4 mil and Johnsson 4 years at 3.2 million. Those are 2 extremely good contracts but they are not yet official due to the Marner situation. With those two contacts that leaves the Leafs with 6.9 million in actual cap space and 14 million in offseason cap to sign Marner.

2 cap trades

Toronto- Nathen Horton And 2nd 2020

LA- 7th round 2020

LA can easily take Hortons salary and is on the LTIR so he doesn't even count towards the cap during the season. It would take less to give up Horton then Marleau because Marleau demanded a buyout which counts towards the cap for 2 years. Essentially LA gets a free pick and Toronto brings there cap to 12.2 million

Toronto- Nikita Zaitsev And Timothy Lilijgren

Ottawa- 7th 2020

Ottawa is in a Deep rebuild and swallowing Zaitsevs cap dosent effect their roster what so ever and he can play a 2nd pair role on their currently weak roster. Timothy Lilijgren could start the season with them on the bottom pairing he still has high potential and could be great for them. This gives the leafs 16.7mil in cap space

Leafs then sign
Marner- 11mil over 6 years

Leafs then would then have 5.7 million for roster moves. Anton Stralman could be a cheap target to fill in on a shut down role with Rielly.

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23 Jun 2019 22:15:50
Getting close with your numbers still not quite there but closer.

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23 Jun 2019 22:51:37
What do you mean habby?

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23 Jun 2019 23:41:43
Ay Caramba you need to go back to drawing board.

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23 Jun 2019 23:58:59
A while back I had a gut feeling Marleau was going to be more costly than Zaitsev to move. Seems counter-intuitive given that Marleau only had one year and Zaitsev is signed till like 2036, but I’ll double-down. Just a weird feeling. Any takers for a gentlemen’s bet?

Also I think the 2nd you are trading for garbage removal (Horton) is likely unnecessary.

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23 Jun 2019 23:59:47
I'll let you figure out a couple others things but one thing is who are the players that finish off the roster? Even with your moves I think your still at least short by 3 players. Now they can be filled by rookies for cheap so I'm not saying what your proposing won't work but I'd like to see your opening day lineup not to criticize but just out of curiosity I'm genuinely interested.

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24 Jun 2019 02:50:30
Don't see LA taking Horton. In their minds, they aren't starting a rebuild.
The moment they will begin a rebuild will be the moment they trade Kopitar, Carter, Martinez, Quick etc.

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24 Jun 2019 13:14:56
TyBa yes even if they do feel that way during the season he dosent count towards the cap.

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24 Jun 2019 14:32:40
Marleau is a 35+ contract, a buyout gives no relief but doesn't take up any cap on the next season. Just checked it on capfriendly to confirm. I have talked about how LTIR still affects cap and still causes some problems for the team, such as not being able to accumulate cap in season for the deadline and limiting who can be called up for injury replacement. When I put these moves into cap friendly, I get just under 5 mill needing probably at least 2 D (have Rosen and Holl on the right side) and no extra forwards. Doable, but tight without really improving the D a whole lot.

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24 Jun 2019 14:39:07
Opening day roster

Johnsson-Mathews-Nylander
Hyman-Tavares-Marner
Bracco-Kadri-Kappanen
Moore-Gauthier-Brown

Rielly-Hanisey
Muzzin-Stralman
Sandin-Rosen
Travis Dermotte=LTIR until December

Andersson
Sparks

Stralman 3 years @3 mil
Hanisey 1 year @1.5mil

Leafs would then have 1.2 million in cap space.

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24 Jun 2019 14:41:16
I made a couple posts on here that haven’t come through but Marleau is a 35+ contract so a buyout is only one year but no cap relief. They’ll take his full hit. Also when I punch your moves into cap friendly I had I believe just under 5 mill space With 5 D and no extra forwards. Those D included both Holl and Rosen so you essentially would have 5 mill to bring in 2 top 4 RHD and 2 extra forwards.

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24 Jun 2019 15:34:00
Still need 2 more players possibly 3 if dermott is on ltir.

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24 Jun 2019 16:00:57
So that will push it over the limit regardless. Without the signing of stralman who I think would want more term and cap then you think. this lineup might work. But we also have to remember you cleared zaitsev contract without taking any salary back which I personally think is wishful thinking but is possible I guess.

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24 Jun 2019 16:34:30
I’d go an extra year but he’s 32. Without the short season I’d agree but that probably hurts his value.

Also JBS I’m aware of the offseason deadline rule but LA dosent need to sign anyone do they? They can just absorb the cap.

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25 Jun 2019 04:36:16
Either way stralman puts you over the cap.

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25 Jun 2019 15:03:49
Regardless if your team situation there are risks to being cap strapped and benefits to having space. Including call ups and making a run at a big money player than fits your window. It’s different for teams like Arizona that will never spend to the cap because most these injured contracts are insured so it’s cap without paying but LA will spend up to cap and I believe Horton isn’t insured anyway so it’s still actual money they have to pay.

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25 Jun 2019 16:44:00
You are correct Horton is not insured.

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22 Jun 2019 22:05:11
Oilers quietly had a really good draft with few picks.

Grabbed a 6'3 200lbs defenceman who many experts believed was the 2nd best defenceman in the draft who also has ''elite skating''.

Grabbed 6'4 200lbs C/RW with Lavoie who scouts had going no later than 25. Scored 30 goals in both of his QMJHL seasons.

Got potentially the steal of the entire draft with goalie Ilya Konovalov who was Rookie of the year in the KHL and finished with a .930 save % and 1.89 GAA in 45 KHL games. Seems like a Sorokin / Shestyorkin type of player. Also has better stats than Ilya Samsonov and Andrei Vasilievskiy when they were 20 and played in the KHL.

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23 Jun 2019 01:06:45
Does it really matter who the Oilers draft though? They can’t develop players anyways, they might as well just throw away those picks for all the good it does them. I feel bad for the players though, your career is basically over if the Oilers draft you.

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23 Jun 2019 02:25:41
You’re a twisted individual joe. Take a break for a while and maybe the rest of us can enjoy hockey talk without you bashing everyone. He made a simple comment that he was happy with who his team drafted and you reply with this garbage. No team will ever be as good as the jets, we get it!

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23 Jun 2019 03:35:37
MemarcusJoe I agree 100% McDavid was such a highly hyped prospect to bad the oilers ruined him and he’s not a star like they expected him to be. Ohh wait he is never mind.

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23 Jun 2019 05:04:22
Vbbb, lol now that's some good evidence. The best prospect in 20 years, that was already fully developed when he got to the Oilers and they couldn't ruin him. Ha ha ha.

Well with evidence like that, I guess I maybe the Oilers can develop 1 out of every 10 first overall picks they get. Lol.

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23 Jun 2019 13:42:00
Ryan Nugent Hopkins was well develop he just is what he is. A very good too way center. Even if they would of waited 2 years to play him he would of been what he is.

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23 Jun 2019 13:53:28
Nail Yakupov and Jesse Puljujarvi development was not just Oilers fault. Yakupov had a good first season so the Oilers let him in the nhl and he just couldldnt play top 6 so they wanted him to play bottom 6 to get better defensively and improve his overall game. Puljujarvi wanted to play in the nhl right away and just could keep up in a top 6 role and wasn't able in a bottom 6 role either so he got sent down. I think Puljujarvi could of worked harder last summer to really show he can take a bigger role and the stats would of followed bcuz he would of played with McDee or Hopkins. Anyways Oilers can't be to blame for all of it imo.

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23 Jun 2019 14:50:00
I agree it was a stellar draft for the Oilers. In the past the Oilers record with developing many of their draft picks was questionable at best. But now with Holland and his philosophy of over ripening his draft choices I believe this will happen with the Oilers, unless the owner lied to him and takes advice from his advisers who want to try and win now and get the kids in the lineup, which is unlikely. Now Oiler fans feel the grief of the Jets fans waiting or draft choices to be put on the big team only to have Holland say he still needs more development in the minors. These picks will be fine.

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23 Jun 2019 20:41:28
The Oilers have drafted and developed really well in the past few years actually. Jones, Bear, Samurakov, Yamamoto and a few other 4th and 5th round picks that are looking good.

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24 Jun 2019 14:34:29
@Ebs

Agreed. In the Steve Tambellini / Kevin Lowe era we just drafted for size.
Surprisingly, PC was excellent at drafting during his tenure with the Oilers.
We have one of the strongest defenceman prospect pools in the entire league.
Caleb Jones, Ethan Bear, William Lagesson, Philip Kemp, Evan Bouchard, Philip Broberg, Joel Persson and Dmitry Samorukov who all (as of right now) project to be NHLers.

Not to mention Maksimov, Benson, Safin, McLeod, Marody and now Lavoie who were all drafted after the first round.

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24 Jun 2019 23:20:08
Yah but no team can compete with Cale Makar, Connor Timmons And Bowen Byram 3 potential top pairing dman.

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25 Jun 2019 04:44:59
I like Lavoie, but didn’t like Broberg. Not saying he will be a poor pick, but feel a forward would’ve been a smarter choice given the depth the Oilers already have on D. I wanted Zegras.

Can’t just til we see what happens so I can’t really talk bad about the pick, just didn’t see it as the way to go.

We shall see.

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22 Jun 2019 22:03:01
Did anyone take cole moberg? If not does anyone know why?

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22 Jun 2019 22:18:38
Chicago got him in the 7th round lol. Should have gone somewhere in the 3rd round at the latest. Steal of the draft possibly.

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23 Jun 2019 03:47:23
A few of my buddies should’ve got drafted imo Lynden Breen And Jaxon Bellamy.

Lynden is nuts definitely better then Maxim Cajkovic just opted for the USHL instead of the Q so that hurt him would’ve been the best player on the Sea Dogs.

He was better then Alex Newhook and Bantam.

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23 Jun 2019 06:19:16
Yeah I figured Jason Bellamy would go in the 5th.

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23 Jun 2019 17:03:39
Breen is a lot better then Bellamy different positions but yah.

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22 Jun 2019 04:22:51
Arthur Kaliyev drops out of first round???
Same with Lavoie.

I thought he would have at least been a late first.

Does someone move up to get either of them early in the 2nd round?

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22 Jun 2019 05:24:05
Both players have attitude and work ethic concerns I'm not shocked they dropped out of the 1st round. I would assume they will be early 2nd rounders though. there are still a few intriguing prospects left a team or two might move up but it might not necessarily be for the two guys you mentioned.

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22 Jun 2019 17:58:52
Habby,

That makes sense, are there any players you feel people will jump up to get?

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22 Jun 2019 18:10:02
Lesson and Robertson are probably the 2 closest to nhl ready I think they have as much intrigue to nhl teams as kailiev and lavoie.

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