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25 Jul 2022 16:55:36

Future considerations

Toronto needs to clear some cap to get Sandin under. Not sure how y'all feel about Lauzon, but I don't think he's better then Holl, and I think Nashville will realize that about 20 games into the season.

I don't think Holl is a cap dump, but obviously he doesn't have a lot of positive value. He would be a cheap short term option for Nashville, and would come with basically no risk with only one year remaining on his deal.

The leafs still may need to move Kerfoot to get under the cap, but I think this is just a decent fit for both teams.


1.) 25 Jul 2022 18:22:45
I think this is the most realistic leaf trade rumour I’ve ever seen, so kudos to you. The market may likely require a late pick for the 2M in cap relief too, where there’s so many teams looking to clear space, but I guess we’ll soon see.

2.) 25 Jul 2022 19:06:38
Yeah I mean I wouldn’t mind that, even if it was a prospect or something instead of a pick I would be okay with it.

I just want to see Sandin in the top 6, he deserves to be there over Holl.

3.) 25 Jul 2022 23:04:02
Holl will bring more than Future Considerations. Maybe as much as a 3rd Round Pick. Hard to find decent Good Sized & Physical RD’s; they’re a rarity

With Tanev injured and Gudbranson gone, Holl would be nice to have in CGY since Weegar can replace Kylington at 2LD

Kerfoot should have value as well. Sandin is an LD, so if you move out Liljegren up to 2RD to replace Holl, who would you move to 3RD? Giordano?

4.) 26 Jul 2022 01:25:50
Muzzin or Sandin would probably have to play the right side, that’s the problem of having too many LD.



29 Jun 2022 23:48:36

1st 2023

Vancouver could trade Kerfoot at the deadline if they wanted a 2nd round pick back or something. Leafs just don't have any until 2024 right now. However Kerfoot is a Vancouver native who may also be happy to sign an extension.

I think value wise it's very fair. Don't think I would offer more than this for Miller but if another team can beat it then so be it. Not even asking Vancouver to retain salary in this deal too.


1.) 30 Jun 2022 02:15:52
I think if Canucks were to accept this pathetic offer, the Leafs would be the ones retaining.

2.) 30 Jun 2022 02:16:26
Vancouver accepts. Not sure Toronto should offer this tho.
Change the 2023 for 2022 as well.

3.) 30 Jun 2022 08:19:12
In what world flipping kerfoot for a 2nd rounder? Maybe a 5th unless he goes insane better this coming year.

4.) 30 Jun 2022 19:26:52
Toronto could retain 50% on all three players and Vancouver would still say no. Rental Miller will easily fetch a first plus something better than any of those players from 30 other teams.

Kerfoot is overpaid while Sandin and Robertson are undersized players who are vastly overrated by the Toronto media.

5.) 30 Jun 2022 20:54:52
I like to hate on the leafs as much as the next guy but Jesus this is a big package that I highly doubt Miller will get.

6.) 30 Jun 2022 21:10:57
Sandin, Robertson and Kerfoot all have very little value to anyone outside the GTA.

7.) 01 Jul 2022 00:13:45
I’m not a homer, but that seems like a lot for a UFA. Sandin will be a top 3-4 IMO. Who knows about Robertson? Kerfoot is a solid 3rd liner, that can move up if needed. Plus a 1st. Mox, you’re a Calgary fan right? Reni is a Canuck’s fan I believe. Kerfoot makes less than Toffoli or Garland, and put up similar #’s. I’m not saying he’s better than those guys, but I wouldn’t say either of them are overpaid. Kerfoot also plays all forward positions. I expect the “pathetic offer” reply from Reni, but I think Vancouver would accept. I absolutely love Miller, one of my favourite players, I just don’t see him getting more than that.

8.) 01 Jul 2022 00:41:09
Lmao I’ve never seen people so split on a trade offer. Either y’all think it’s laughable or it’s way too much. So I would say this is the perfect offer because it’s evenly split. Well done to me!

9.) 01 Jul 2022 00:54:16
Okay so on a serious note.

@Mox so your a Calgary fan? If Sandin, Kerfoot, and Roberson have little value, then so do Valmaki, Peltier, and Coleman.

@Reni, so your a Vancouver fan? Kerfoot makes less money then Garland and had one less point. Sandin is better then any defensive prospects you currently have, and Robertson will play top 6 on ur team. Plus you get a 1st. Not sure how Vancouver turns that down but alright. P. S. ur not getting a top 10 draft pick or elite prospect for one year of Miller from any team to say.

@Shoots. I guess a lot of guys who hit 40+ points last year, can play multiple positions, and can play in multiple situations will only get 5th round picks for their team then. There will be a lot of unhappy sellers if that’s the case!

10.) 01 Jul 2022 00:55:47
Sandin is not a top 4 defenseman. He'd be lucky to even make the roster anywhere but Toronto where they can't afford to add a real top 4.

Robertson? Don't make me laugh, he is the epitome of how massively the Toronto based media overrates and overhypes every prospect or young player in the Leafs system. In fact proof of that can be had simply by googling "Robertson db". Nick's name comes up before his much bigger and far better brother Jason's name.

Nobody would trade Toffoli or Garland for Kerfoot. Nobody wants Kerfoot. Nobody, not even Toronto. You can't even deny that with a straight face since all of you Leaf fans keep wanting to trade him.

Try making a realistic proposal for once instead of always trying to dump leafs rejects while getting better players with cheaper contract in return.

Kerfoot with 25% retained for a 3rd round pick would be realistic. There are literally dozens of similar players around the NHL making less money and even more in the minors making far less.

11.) 01 Jul 2022 02:30:55
Connor Brown is comparable to Alex Kerfoot and gets paid similar as well.

12.) 01 Jul 2022 09:56:28
If we can’t get an upgrade on Kerfoot, I’d happily keep him. He’s a solid 2 way forward, can play up and down the lineup, can play PK, PP, and any position. A very versatile player. The only thing is Miller is a clear upgrade. That doesn’t mean Kerfoot sucks. Players are allowed to be better then others without them sucking lmao. Kerfoot fetches a 2nd with 1 year left. When Coleman was trade from NJ to Tampa with 2 years left on his deal. He got a 1st and a solid prospect. I’m being really generous here saying Kerfoot is only worth a 2nd.

Robertson is a good prospect. Point per game player in the AHL last year even when battling through injuries. He easily cracks the Leafs lineup next year if they don’t trade him. Why do you think they put Mikheyev out there?

Sandin will be top 4 on many NHL teams. Talks of him getting an offer sheet aren’t for no reason.



07 Jun 2022 19:56:33
Jonas Siegel and Scott Powers of the Athletic have recently talked about a trade involving the Maple Leafs, the Blackhawks, and Petr Mrazek. They stated the Leafs don't want to use a 1st round pick to move Mrazek, but they may be open to trading a young roster player or prospect such as Abruzzee in order to get it done.

Dylan Strome may not be qualified by Chicago and may make sense for the Leafs if they want to move Tavares to LW.

This trade is assuming all of the above is accurate. This way Chicago gets a goalie with two pending UFA goaltenders, and something back for Strome.

Mrazek, Abruzzee, 2023 3rd round pick

Rights to Dylan Strome



1.) 07 Jun 2022 20:17:56
Just realized the 2023 3rd was a conditional pick in the Ritchie trade and Arizona can choose. So if they choose that 3rd make it a 2024 2nd.

2.) 07 Jun 2022 20:53:44
A 23 year old 5'9" 160 lb prospect and a 3rd round pick isn't enough to take on Mrazek's contract far less giving up the rights to Strome too.

Quite a few teams would offer a better deal than that for Strome's rights without asking the Hawks to take on a washed up goalie as a cap dump too.

3.) 07 Jun 2022 21:49:18
Didn’t realized we judged players based on size and weight. I guess Patrick Kane and Mitch Marner suck then.

4.) 08 Jun 2022 00:16:27
If he's so good then keep the little guy in Toronto to play first line center when Matthews leaves in 2 years.

Fact is he'll probably never make the NHL.

5.) 08 Jun 2022 01:23:38
BTW, Kane and Marner are both a little bigger than this kid, blew his numbers away in minor/ junior hockey and made the NHL before they were 20 years old.

6.) 08 Jun 2022 02:42:42
I think Strome would fetch a better offer.



26 May 2022 21:33:59

Couple picks? One of their young guys? (Moore, Kaliev, etc)
What do y'all think the return would have to be?

If Tampa has some cap problems this off-season I think a potential McDonagh trade could happen. I don't think he is a bad player or anything, Tampa just already has Sergachev and Hedman on the left.

LA has 3 pending UFA defenceman and 3 pending RFA defenceman. I think they are good suiters here. I don't think they will want to give up a lot of their youth here but picks could be in play.


1.) 27 May 2022 02:06:40
I don’t think it would take much. Moore and a 3rd maybe?

2.) 27 May 2022 05:21:04
I don’t think there cap situation is much different then it was this year is it? I don’t think they’ll have to move McDonagh, he’s too important.



21 May 2022 03:54:30
Seen a lot of rumours of a potential Kawhai style trade from the Maple Leafs this offseason and a potential target for that could be Miller.

Obviously you need to give to get so I think any trade involving Miller has to involve Nylander.

However would also probably have to be very similar in money.

Garland has been on the outs in Vancouver it seems, and Kerfoot is from the Vancouver area so that is his hometown team.



I just think this sort of trade would make sense for both teams. Nylander is younger, skilled, and has more years left, while Miller is probably a top 15 if not top 10 player in the league, but also only has one year left.

Rip on me in the comments if I'm completely off here lol but also who do you think would have to add if you think it's close? Do the Leafs need to add a decent prospect? Do the Canucks add? Is there a clear winner in this trade?


1.) 21 May 2022 13:58:45
Heavily favors Toronto.

Miller > Nylander
Garland > Kerfoot.

2.) 21 May 2022 15:31:38
Kerfoot had a better year then Garland but it’s your opinion I guess.

Of course Miller is better then Nylander but term+age difference may be the difference maker that’s all I’m saying.

But you can say the Leafs add another prospect, probably one that plays defence due to Vancouvers terrible back end.

3.) 21 May 2022 17:04:51
No I'd say Vancouver wouldn't want Nylander or Kerfoot.

Nylander is a right shot RW, just like Boeser and Garland. Vancouver is looking to gain some cap space not take on more.

Kerfoot, nobody wants him. Maybe someone might if Toronto retained enough salary but Toronto is looking to move him to save so that wouldn't make any sense for them.

4.) 21 May 2022 18:25:24
Kerfoot one year left at 3.5 mill. 51 points in 82 games with almost no PP time and playing on the 4th line for half the season. In a higher role with PP time he could push 60 points. Stop undervaluing this guy he’s not a cap dump . Toronto would at least be able to get a 2nd round pick for him but that’s not a trade they would ever make because versatile players who can get to 50 points with almost no PP time are very hard to come by, especially under 4 million.

Also this is a money in money out deal, we are talking like a $200k difference here. So that bs “cap space” excuse means nothing.

5.) 21 May 2022 19:52:46
You don't get it. Vancouver wants to clear up cap space, that's why they've been shopping Miller, Boeser and Garland.

This doesn't clear up cap space for them and it doesn't give them a player they're looking for either. That'd be a top 4 RD or a cheaper top 6 winger. Kerfoot is a bottom 6 making too much money for that role.

6.) 21 May 2022 21:41:54
You will never convince me that Kerfoots 3.5 million for a player who can play any position on any line, hit 50 points without PP time, and can play the PK is too much.

Also Vancouver is looking to move contracts like OEL and Myers for cap space. If they make jt public that they are trading too 6 forwards for cap they are not going to get a lot of high quality offers from other GMs.

7.) 21 May 2022 23:21:24
You could play any position on any line. That doesn't mean you belong there or that you're even an NHL player but you could do it.

8.) 22 May 2022 04:54:40
No but Kerfoot is an NHL caliber player, there is a clear difference. Maybe if you actually watched a few Leafs games this season you would see how valuable he is.

9.) 22 May 2022 11:33:12
I watched quite a few Leafs games I know exactly how valuable he is not.

10.) 23 May 2022 02:17:56
Leafs definitely add... probably a top prospect or a first round pick.

I would hate to see Nylander on Vancouver. They guy is about himself and not the team in contract negotiations. All this aside, who knows how well this guy plays on a team that isn't stacked.... bit risky for Vancouver IMO

11.) 23 May 2022 05:32:48

If kerfoot is that valuable. then maybe leafs should keep him?

A third liner/ 4th liner ain't worth 3.5 million. like seriously come on. Van could do way better in the UFA market. being a hometown player isn't going to cause Van to pursue this guy. Toronto has to sell him to a possible buyer. I love leaf fans. they think everyone wants to play in Toronto. unfortunately, Toronto is where good players (who haven't won a cup) come to retire.

12.) 23 May 2022 20:08:35
Absolutely one of the worst trade offers made by one of the Toronto delusional. Just awful.

13.) 25 May 2022 00:06:55
Terrible offer, VAN hangs up.

Leaf fans, it’s been a while since I’ve seen a realistic offer. Read some non-TSN/ SN articles (they own 90% of the leafs and provide opinions and coverage non-leaf fans can’t begin to take seriously. )

If you want to be taken seriously, try some realism. Your team hasn’t won ONE playoff round in almost TWO decades, and heartless players like Nylander are NOT in demand with fan bases that win playoff rounds. (Cap dumps like Mrazek without compensatory picks to take on bad contracts are ridiculous to propose. A goalie with that salary and term that can’t be trusted to start playoff games for your team are not wanted by other teams either. )

14.) 04 Jun 2022 21:25:15
Another moronic offer. Van says no.




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26 May 2022 16:59:39
Questions for teams final part

An aging core. Questions around Backstrom's future. How long does this team have left before they have to tell Ovi that they are going to start a rebuild?

Winnipeg had a down year. Do they start to move out some of their older peices to start a re-tool, or do they brush this year off and run it back.


1.) 26 May 2022 21:48:05
The Jets needed a better coach, systems and a more physical defense. No need to blow it up but they should hire Trotz and stay away from any of the ex-Jet players/ management to coach the team.

2.) 28 May 2022 21:24:26
As a Caps fan, they won’t start the rebuild yet, starting a rebuild would mean trading Ovie and their zero chance of that happening

The Caps will have to be creative and re-tool, they can promote some of the youngsters without impacting the team too much. I think moving on from players like Eller, Schultz, Backstrom can be done

Personally I think Backstrom will have to retire which will release a decent amount of salary cap.



26 May 2022 16:40:22
Questions for teams part 9

Ah the Leafs. Years of disappointment has really put this team into an awkward situation. However, they did go toe to toe with the Lightning and had the best regular season in franchise history. Do they run it back? Or do they go out an make a huge move this off-season to try and overcome some demons?

The Canucks cap situation is probably one of the worst in the league. Terrible contracts have haunted this team for years now and it's not getting any better. Will the be able to include contracts like Tyler Myers or OEL to trades that may involve some of their really solid offensive pieces? Or are they destined to do this forever?

Vegas. Wow who could have predicted that. They don't really have any contracts to deal with this off-season but man is their cap situation bad. How do they overcome these cap constraints?


1.) 02 Jun 2022 22:53:11
The leafs will make a move or 2, Vancouver isn't in to bad of shape long term. They will be ready to compete in 2 years. Dandonov will be moved then that’s it.



26 May 2022 16:33:00
Questions for teams part 9

Seattle probably had a proper year for an expansion team, but man did Beniers impress with his brief stint. Do they continue to move out some older pieces in order to insert more youth into the lineup? What happens with their goaltending situation?

Even without Perron St. Louis has an amazing offensive core. Their question lies in net. Binnington really struggled throughout the regular season and Husso is a pending UFA. How will they address their goaltending situation?

Tampa just seems to be doing everything right, I would mention the cap issues but they always get around them so really I just have no off-season questions for them. My question would be can they three-peat this year?




26 May 2022 16:28:08
Questions for teams part 8

Philly was a big bucket of yuck this season. Aging players, questionable defence and goaltending, do we see a full shift to a rebuild?

Will the Penguins be able to re-sign Letang and Malkin? What other free agent fish may they target if they are unable to lock these guys up?

San Jose has a lot of money locked up in the wrong guys and still refuses to admit they need a rebuild. What is this team even? I'm confused about what they are trying to do here.


1.) 02 Jun 2022 22:54:38
1. I think Philly signs Guadreau and makes a push

2. They can buy will they?

3. i'm with you here.



26 May 2022 16:24:53
Questions for teams part 8

The Islanders had a rough year with a terrible schedule, injuries, and now they have fired the coach that got them to two conference finals. Who is the next coach for this team? Will they be able to get this Islanders team back in a playoff spot?

The Rangers have started to spend a lot of money in their high end talent (Panarin, Zibanajed, Fox, Kreider). It looks like they may lose guys like Strome and Copp due to this issue. Will the young guns like Kakko and Laf be able to step up their game to replace some of the scoring that may be lost?

Ottawa was expected to take a step this year but it didn't come. With rumours that they may trade their highest pick, what or who do they target this off-season to try to bolster their young core?


1.) 02 Jun 2022 22:56:02
1. I don’t see them as a playoff team

2. Those 2 definitely should be stepping up

3. Fiala.




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26 Jul 2022 01:25:50
Muzzin or Sandin would probably have to play the right side, that’s the problem of having too many LD.




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26 Jul 2022 00:16:21
Yeah it certainly doesn’t help lmao. I was talking more in a sense of guys who could play 4th line minutes. My assumption is the 4th line will be Simmonds-Gaudette-AK. However, guys like Steeves, Anderson, and Clifford could probably play that role as well.

However, in terms of scoring depth, there definitely isn’t a lot behind the top 4 guys. Bunting is a great player but I mean who wouldn’t hit 20 goals and 60 points if he wasn’t playing with Matthews and Marner let’s be honest. Knies could be a top 6 option, as sometimes guys who come out of college can play at the NHL level right away, but even if he does work out he won’t be able to sign until about a month or so before playoffs. Everyone else, beyond Morgan Reilly, probably isn’t touching 40 points unless Robertson, Sandin, and/ or Liljgren have crazy breakout years.




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25 Jul 2022 19:24:37
@chickenfoot. The Leafs depth is actually okay, and I mean although the goaltending could be improved, I think it’s safe to say there isn’t going to be any changes to it this upcoming year unless it really goes wrong during the regular season.

Defence is a maybe, I mean they still have to lock up Sandin and they signed Mete and Benn, so they have about 9 guys who could play an NHL level role. Yes they could always improve it, but I think Dubas is done in that regard, for now at least.

Believe it or not, the majority of Leafs nation feels we need an upgrade at 2LW beside Tavares and Nylander. Robertson could maybe be that guy, but you never know how prospects will pan out. If the Leafs do move Kerfoot, I think the plan is to play Robertson there. If he succeeds then awesome, if he struggles then I think we could see and early season trade to upgrade that position.




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25 Jul 2022 19:06:38
Yeah I mean I wouldn’t mind that, even if it was a prospect or something instead of a pick I would be okay with it.

I just want to see Sandin in the top 6, he deserves to be there over Holl.




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25 Jul 2022 17:33:46
If Calgary are sellers at the deadline, this could be enough to get them to bite. However I don’t think they would be interested in Kerfoot on a one year deal if that was the case.

I highly doubt they are sellers there, and from what I’ve heard, Huberdeau and Weegar are actually very open to long term deals in Calgary.





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15 Oct 2020 14:55:10
They did nothing to fix their goaltending this offseason, or at least so far. That is why I have them a little lower. I mean you could put them ahead of Pittsburgh and maybe the Rangers too, but I don’t think they finish ahead of Philly or Washington without addressing their goaltending first.




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15 Oct 2020 02:48:09
Especially with Marchand and Pastranak having surgery to. Like I honestly think Boston is going to dip in the standings next year and may even miss the playoffs.




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14 Oct 2020 04:25:44
Sergachev for DeAngelo.




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12 Oct 2020 05:04:19
He could be the piece that puts them in the playoff discussion. However if the Sabres suck again (most likely from a lack of goaltending), they can move him at the deadline for a lot of stuff. I understand he has a NTC/ NMC but that basically means he can control who he is traded to. I think he just wants to put up a ton of points with Eichel to increase his value.