08 Mar 2015 19:37:26
With the recent Coburn trade do you guys actually think it raised the price of Phaneuf? I was a bit shocked when rumors stated that the Leafs asked Anthony Mantha from Detroit, might as well shoot the moon. With Shannahan's connection to Detroit rumors believe Phaneuf will go to Detroit in the off season. I am sure we will have to take either Franzen's, Weiss, or Kindle's contract but it would be fantastic if we get a top prospect like Mantha. I also heard the Leafs were asking Brendan Smith. But despite what the rumors said, what do you guys think the Leafs could get for Dion?
08 Mar 2015 20:25:10
I think I depends on how much salary TOR keeps, a cheaper Phanuef (5.5?)will get you a much better return than a 7m Phaneuf.
Phanuef with a 5.5m/year contract should get you a good return (late 1:st and 2 prospects?)
08 Mar 2015 20:28:09
Quit overrating these prospects. It will take a lot more than Mantha to get phaneuf. If it wernt for the world jrs no one would even know who he is.
Detroit doesn't have good prospects. Mantha and Larkin are not A level prospects.
Phaneuf will go to Edmonton they are desprete for a defenceman. Look for phaneuf and gardiner to be part of a package that brings back one of their 6 big guys.
08 Mar 2015 22:57:08
I think the coburn deal helps the leafs.
How much it helps the leafs might depend on if they retain some of phaneufs salary.
Phaneuf is slightly overpaid so retaining some salary makes him more valuable and considering the leafs are about to rebuild, why not retain 50% of his salary(most you can retain I think) if you're going to retain any.
Not likely the leafs will need 3.5 million in salary cap space if it's all young cheap players coming to town for the rebuild right.
Phaneuf at 7 million probably gets you a bad contract+late 1st and each team adds a prospect.
Phaneuf signed for the next 6 years at 3.5 million would get the leafs way more than philly got in the coburn trade.
Rebuilding properly will take time anyway.
08 Mar 2015 23:54:51
Buffalo was asking for Mantha or Larkin from Detroit for Myers. Detroit said NO!! Even though Myers was Big-Bodied, RH, Top 4 D-man that Detroit needed.
Myers in Detroit's mind was more valuable than Phaneuf. So if Myers can't pull one of those two prospects, then why should Phaneuf get one.
Phaneuf is a Top-4 LH D-man with an overpaid contract, bad attitude and can't play consistent on the defensive end. Maybe he can play better in a smaller role and his attitude might change with scenery.
However, You can't get top prospects like Mantha or Larkin from Detroit for Phaneuf. He just isnèt worth that. Phaneuf wonèt get you prospects like Max Domi(Ari), Sam Reinhart(Buf), Draisaitl(Edm), etc. Mantha and Larkin are Detroit's version of those players which are untouchable unless the return is really good. Phaneuf just won't cut it.
A Phaneuf to Detroit deal could get you this:
Detroit Trades: Weiss, Kindl, 1st 2016 and ok prospect
for
Phaneuf(Contract decreased to 5-5.5million).
No team wants his contract just like no one wanted Mike Richards's contract. So Leafs have to deal with their mistakes, they dealt with Clarkson so here comes everyone else.
09 Mar 2015 02:40:14
Stickboi- who are u kiddin? It's not overrating that's what the leafs were trying to get for doing and got shot down immediately! Quit overrating phaneuf he's not worth as much as you believe, if he was teams would have been bang the leafs door down at any price. And as u can see he's still a leaf
09 Mar 2015 02:41:10
Mantha and Larkyn are pretty solid prospects, going to be top 6. And I agree 5.5 Phaneauf is worth a lot more. Not sure
If he'll get a first plus two top prospects but it'll be somewhere in there.
09 Mar 2015 10:12:04
How consistent should phaneuf be defensively, he plays too many minutes against the other teams best players and look at his defence partners over the years.
If he has a bad attitude why is he the captain in hockey's biggest market.
Phaneuf is slightly overpaid just like a hole bunch of players we don't talk about much because they don't play in the fishbowl that is toronto
Phaneufs biggest problem is that he can't skate backwards very good.he will be appreciated more elsewhere
09 Mar 2015 16:02:49
Wow a big discussion here, Datsyuk fan I see your point but you have to take the possibility that after the Coburn deal the price of D man has become some what expensive. Coburn somewhat similar to Phaneuf, an under performing D man, with a bad contract was able to get a first round draft pick, a third round draft pick and a top 4-6 D in Radko Gudas. Phaneuf who is more overpaid than Coburn is a better then Coburn. If the Leafs eat a lot of his contract I think they could get a lot for him. I am not saying the Leafs will get Mantha or Larkin that's what rumors said and for all we care we can take it as a grain of salt I brought it up to start a conversation and wanted to know other peopl'es opinion on what they think the Leafs should get in return.
10 Mar 2015 00:49:26
Despite the rumors at the deadline I think phaneuf will end up in Edmonton or Anaheim.
10 Mar 2015 10:53:43
The Coburn trade helped the Leafs. 1st and a prospect for Phaneuf just because of the contract, value goes up when the Leafs retain salary
10 Mar 2015 13:10:23
It's tough to compare a deadline deal with what a Phaneuf deal will look like in the summer. The circumstances are very different, as is the flexibility of the teams. But that likely only benefits Toronto in the long run.
I'm not convinced that TO has to retain salary AND take back a bad contact to move Phaneuf (it will be one or the other). I'm also not convinced Phaneuf goes to DET, but if he does I would expect at least one of Mantha or Larkin to be involved.
10 Mar 2015 17:40:10
The price for dmen went up.
@draisaitl94 insisted that boychuk was worth a 2nd and a 7th max, before he got traded for 2 2nds and a 3rd.
Most people thought he was right.
I think the value went up and most people haven't noticed.
10 Mar 2015 18:21:23
returnofrealisticleaffan
I get your point that the price has gone up on Phaneuf. However, Detroit will not trade Mantha or Larkin(Pretty much untouchable)
They might if it was for someone like JVR, Morgan Rielly or Nazem Kadri.
Which Toronto won't do. So basically I think Toronto goes elsewhere. Detroit finds another D-man more affordable for giving up one of Mantha/Larkin or simply keeps them and prepares for the future with out Datsyuk & Zetterberg
10 Mar 2015 18:33:24
Again DAysuk_Fan13 did I say DEtroit will give up Mantha or LArkin? When did I suggested it that. Your response is extremely pointless dude, and this is not what you think this was posted from the rumors, which I wanted people's opinion, and you said yours hundreds or times, stop repeating yourself.
11 Mar 2015 10:52:09
Not saying they have to retain salary, just saying they get more IF they take back some salary
12 Mar 2015 00:36:04
Probably I really think they could get a lot for Phaneuf if they took half of Phaneuf's contract. PAying Dion $3.5 per year is a bargain.