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23 Feb 2015 18:54:34
Phil Kessel for Sam Bennett
Toronto gets a huge help for the future. They know they can't win now.
Calgary gets the elite scoring they need to truly be a threat in the west.
1.) If i'm toronto I wouldn't do this. Reports are the leafs are looking for a first, a solid prospect, and a decent roster player. When you go back to the Nash, St. Louis, Carter deals they command packages like that. Bennett hasn't played a game all year and coming off shoulder surgery, at the combine he showed he was no where close to being strong enough for the nhl. He is an amazing talent but he has a long way to go and is far from a sure thing at this point. Toronto passes and waits for a better package.
2.) @TMLeafs, Calgary would be doing Toronto a favor by taking on his huge contract , I don't think leaf fans are going to like it but unless the leafs retain quite a bit of his contract they probably won't get the return he's worth.
3.) 24 Feb 2015 00:07:09
If I'm Calgary I wouldn't do this. Kessel will score a pile of goals, and beyond that. NOTHING.
4.) Kessel foe Bennett?? Are u on something man. U leaf haters at least make it somewhat close man
5.) No from toronto
17 Jan 2015 23:17:08
Tor-, McKinnon, Hodgson
Col- Kessel, Phaneuf, Chris stewart
Buf- ROR, Lupul
1.) Colorado gets screwed while Buffalo makes out like bandits
2.) I wish but Colorado laughs and hangs up. Not a chance in hell they trade mckinnon
3.) Buf would love that and Col would never do that
4.) 18 Jan 2015 09:33:15
TOR and BUF win on expense of COL
5.) 18 Jan 2015 09:34:30
Oh and way to go bro, don't steal names lol
6.) Part 2
Tor-, McKinnon, Hodgson
Col- Kessel, Phaneuf, Chris stewart
Buf- ROR, Lupul
TML trades Kessel, Phaneuf & Lupul
TML receives McKinnon & Hodgson
Kessel >> McKinnon That is right now, Nathan may prove to be better than Phil but he has not as yet.
Lupul >> Hodgson I do think there is any dispute about this, Hodgson may find a coach that knows how to use him in the future.
Phaneuf >>>>>>>>>? Some how everyone thinks TML win this trade?
7.) Part 1 I am going to play devils advocate, please prove me wrong, I welcome criticism.
Tor-, McKinnon, Hodgson
Col- Kessel, Phaneuf, Chris stewart
Buf- ROR, Lupul
COL trades McKinnon & ROR,
COL receives Kessel, Phaneuf & Chris Stewart
Kessel >> McKinnon this is based on their careers to date.
Phaneuf >> ROR Ryan gets top Center minutes on the Avalance but is the third scoring center. Dion scores more points per game than Ryan and provides a physical presence AS a defenseman.
Chris Stewart >>?
And people say Colorado loses this trade?
Buffalo gets better players as well, but Murray would have to flip Lupul for a 15-20 1st to actually win the trade because he is 30 and does not fit into the sabres future (BTW if Perron is worth a 1st Lupul is a much better player).
8.) 18 Jan 2015 15:08:56
sbr2017 you know I mostly agree with what you say normally.
But Kessel >> MacKinnon? Really?!
Sure, Kessel might be or is a bit better right now. But in terms of trade value, MacKinnon >> Kessel.
Lupul < Hodgson. Lupul is way older and injury prone. Hodgson has at least some potential left.
And Phaneuf >> ROR?? Are you serious? ROR would immediately be the Leafs #1 center, plus he is a great two way forward. While I agree that it doesn't necessarily make sense for TOR because they don't have someone replacing Phaneufs minutes, that isn't COLs problem. In trade value, especially considering Phaneufs awkward deal, ROR >> Phaneuf.
9.) @sbr2017. Where to start? There's isn't a GM in the league that would trade Mackinnon for Kessel. Mackinnon is younger, cheaper and nobody questions his desire to win/compete. Kessel may have better #s now but trades are about the big picture. Same goes for your phaneuf/oreily comparison. OReilly is younger and doesn't gave a bad contract in terms of length(at least not yet) And not a chance you'd get a first for Lupul. Injury prone with to much term on his contract
10.) Thanks for all of the feedback. Draisaitl_94 it was difficult for me to go against your assessment because I never have before. I had an opportunity to discuss this trade other people and without giving my opinion they all agreed with my assessment, TML is the big loser, BUF is the big winner and COL improves. The big concern was COL giving up two centers for a winger and d-man.
1) yes Buffalo is the BIG winner. Neither Hodgson nor Stewart seem to fit into the "Village Motivator's" scheme so trading them for warm bodies is an improvement, but ROR and Lupul is off the chart improvement.
2) not too many defensemen can perform all of the qualities that Phaneuf brings to the ice as well as he can. He is the same age as Shea Weber (Dion is 4 days older), has a better contract and yet over their careers Dion has scored 16 more points. What is the beef with his contract? Would any one on this site trade Weber for ROR? You would be laughed off of the page, but now we all led to believe that ROR is MUCH better than Phaneuf? I stand by my assessment of the difference between Dion and Ryan. Oh, BTW as a defenseman Dion (393pts/726gms) scores at faster rate than ROR a "top" center (216pts/391gms).
3) Kessel has been among the top 8 scorers in the NHL for the last three years. Last year MacKinnen was 34th and this year he is 100th. What more do I need to say about the difference? COL fans should be salivating imagining Kessel on the same line as Duchene.
4) This trade also makes perfect sense for COL because other than Iginla, who plays RW, Briere? Stewart would slip into the 2nd line giving COL two good lines, Kessel-Duchene-Iginla, Tanguay-Mitchell-Stewart. Not too many teams have two top lines with that much firepower.
4) If Perron can bring a 1st, Lupul will bring a 1st and more.
5) Please I do not want anyone to think I am a closet Leaf fan, I know the value of the Kessel and Phaneuf, the Sabres play against them too often during the year.
So if you want to convince me please bring some facts to the discussion.
11.) @sbr2017. If phaneuf, kessel and lupul were as good as you say they are then why isn't Toronto a top team in the league? Most of your assessment is based on players point totals but there is more to winning than putting up pts. When and if Nonis (or who ever is GM by then) trades said players you'll see how the rest of the league values them and you may be surprised with the results
12.) 19 Jan 2015 10:46:43
1. You are honestly comparing Phaneuf to Weber? Geez. Weber is one of if not the best defenseman in the league. It's not all about points, man.
Weber >>>>>>>>>>>>> Phaneuf. And I think even all the leafs fans on here would agree to that.
ROR has never playes a #1 center role, I think. I think he'd blossom as the Leafs #1 center. So comparing a #1 defenseman to a #2 center on the Avalanche isn't a real good comparison.
2. How can you compare totally different numbers for Kessel and MacKinnon? let's just say, McDavid goes first overall to the Oilers or whoever. He has 0 NHL points. Would you trade McDavid for John Scott then? Because John Scott has 8 NHL points already. That's the logic you're applying.
MacKinnon is seen as future superstar and that's where his trade value is. Far beyond Kessels value.
Plus, value of centers > value of wingers.
3. See the problem? Mitchell as second line center? In the West? Against guys like Kesler, Carter, etc? Really?! How's that a good 2nd line? I'm tempt to say that the lightnings (or Blues) 3rd line is better than this 2nd line.
4. You think Lupul gets you more than Perron? Honestly? Perron is much younger and isn't injured like 3 out of 4 games a season. And has a much more cap friendly contract. Lupul might bring you a 2nd from a very desperate contender.
5. Oh and if it was all about points, what would happen to the Sabres Tyler Myers?
8 points so far this year. If we'd assess his trade value just thru points, as you seem to do, he'd barely be worth a late 5th rd pick.
13.) I really enjoyed this conversation, no name calling just stating our opinions supported with facts.
@willi if ROR and MacKinnin are better than Lupul, Phaneuf and Kessle why is Colorado out of the playoffs as well?
@Draisaitl_94 1) I was merely making a point that Phaneuf is totally under rated on this site, and ROR does get top min with COL this year, check it out. 2) Again I was pointing out that Kessel has been a top player for the last 3 years, MacKinnin has not. Good point about Scott. 3) I did say it was a problem for COL to trade 2 centers, Mitchell is not the best choice but put him between two good wingers and he would be adequate. 4) if Lupul is traded he would return more than Perron. Look at Perron already 5 goals in 6 games what could Lupul do? 5) When I assess Myers trades I emphasize what Murray wants in return and always qualify it by saying it may not be what he is worth. Lastly, I still believe the trade favors Buffalo, then Colorado and TML lose big time.
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04 Jun 2015 03:23:19
what was the most stacked chl team ever?
1.) 04 Jun 2015 17:20:57
Of the top of my head. that London Knights ream with Corey Perry a few years back was pretty deep.
2.) 05 Jun 2015 00:03:28
In the qmjhl the seadogs had huberdeau,Gelinas,Beaulieu,Coyle,De serres(was a great goalie) Phillips,Jurco,Despres and many others. Just one of many stacked teams
3.) 05 Jun 2015 16:24:20
Vancouver Giants had a very stacked team when they won the memorial cup in Vancouver, also London Knights with perry as said before. Would've liked to say Kelowna Rockets this year if they would've won
21 Jun 2015 16:13:09
Why the hell would Toronto in any situation accept this trade. Not only is it not enough for Kessel but you are adding the 4th overall pick in a deep draft.
11 Jun 2015 22:27:01
I'd put Gautier there instead of Carrick. Carrick is a mediocre AHL player to this point. Gautier was a first round pick and looked very good on the Canadian junior team. I like how he plays. His pesky line was one pretty productive in that tournament.
21 May 2015 03:55:35
The leafs also have Nashville's pick
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