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18 Dec 2024 23:41:52
Philadelphia Trades
Hathaway

Toronto Trades
Kampf

Trade Breakdown.
Kampf 29 years old
Hathaway 33 years old

Regular Seasons
Kampf 495 Games Played
Hathaway 570 Games Played

Kampf 43 Goals
Hathaway 68 Goals

Kampf 90 Assists
Hathaway 82 Assists

Kampf 133 Points
Hathaway 150 Points

Kampf .26 Points Per Game
Hathaway .26 Points Per Game

Playoffs
Kampf 34 Games
Hathaway 31 Games

Kampf 7 Points
Hathaway 6 Points


Salary Cap
Kampf 2.4 Million this year
Hathaway 2,375 Million this year

Kampf 2.4 Million for 2 more years
Hathaway 2.4 Million for 2 more years (resigned this season)


Complete wash for both players in every category except Centers have more value than Wingers in The NHL.

This imo is about as fair as any trade can be when you consider everything I posted about each player.




Thoughts ?

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19 Dec 2024 03:47:08
You just can't take being wrong, eh.

There's no reason for Philadelphia to trade a useful player for a useless one.

Philly isn't obligated to bail Toronto out of a bad contract for an AHL level player.

If Kampf is as good as you're saying he is pinball, keep him.

19 Dec 2024 03:55:27
2024-25 season stats

Hathaway- 3 goals 8 assists 11 points in 31 games played

Kampf- 0 goals 3 assists 3 points in 18 games played

You said it yourself in your Patrick Kane trade proposal, "live in his value today not from the past. "

Kampf has no trade value on his own, his contact being identical to Hathaways doesn't make him worth the same as Hathaway.

19 Dec 2024 13:58:42
memarcusjoe
Wow I just broke everything down how they are both completely comparable yet Kampf in your eyes is useless, sorry but that shows obvious bias against Toronto.
Even facts are ignored by you when it comes to The Leafs.

19 Dec 2024 15:01:56
DrwDave
Kampf has been injured this season his numbers would be better if he wasn't, so that narrative of what you do for me today for value is when it's a Leaf Player only?
That's what you're basically saying with that response.

19 Dec 2024 15:31:42
At the end of the day @Pinball there's no benefit for Philly to make the trade. They are still in the hunt for that last spot and Hathaway is having the better year compared to Kampf.

Yes Kampf has been injured, but he hasn't been even overly effective as a bottom 6 player for a few years now. It is what it is, but only way we unload him is for a late draft pick with little to no retention or tagging on an earlier draft pick and some retention to maybe get a mid pick back.

We need to address the bottom 6 for sure, but I don't see Philly dealing a guy who fits their style of play for a guy who does not.

19 Dec 2024 16:56:41
MG69
Why doesn't Kampf fit The Flyers style?
4th Line Center who is good at faceoffs, responsibly defensively, and kills penalties.
Why wouldn't Philadelphia want that in your mind?

19 Dec 2024 17:06:37
Yes, Pinball whenever anyone criticizes your always one-sided trades, they are biased against Toronto.

It couldn't possibly be your bias of the worst Toronto player being better than any other player on any other team could it?

19 Dec 2024 17:17:47
Pinball, so now your argument to devalue Kane of "live in his value today, not in the past" only applies to players of other teams and not when you're trying to peddle Leaf garbage? That's what you're saying with your response.

Live in Kampf's value today (negative, it will cost to dump him) not his value from years past (nothing) .

19 Dec 2024 17:24:07
memarcusjoe
No I am not devaluing Kampf you are, when it comes to Kane it's what his worth is today, Kampf and Hathaway right now imo are still equal today.

19 Dec 2024 18:06:58
Pinball, we agree you are not devaluing Kampf, you are greatly overvaluing him.

What your are doing though is devaluing players on other teams saying "live in their value today, not in the past".

While then turning around and saying "live in their value today, not in the past" doesn't apply to Kampf or Leaf players in general. There we must value them at the highest value they were ever valued at, no matter how long in the past it was or how small the sample size for that value is.

Living in Kampf's value today, means you pay to dump him like any other team does with any other cap dump.

19 Dec 2024 18:08:29
You won't return a player who by your own admission, is better than Kampf in every way, just older.

19 Dec 2024 18:19:49
memarcusjoe
No Kampf and Hathaway are even in every category including Cap.
Kampf is better because of age and being a Centre as Centres have more value than Wingers, Philly if any of these teams should add not The Leafs.

19 Dec 2024 18:34:44
When Kampf is a crappy center, it doesn't up his value. I'm sure Hathaway could be a crappy center as well.

Points wise this year, Hathaway is far better and by your own words "live in his value today, but the past".

Game, set and match.

19 Dec 2024 19:26:13
memarcusjoe
By the end of the season I guarantee that Kampf and Hathaway will be the same or close to the same points per game.
I will repost that at season end.

19 Dec 2024 22:16:11
I said game, set and match pinball. It's over. :)

20 Dec 2024 00:47:33
memarcusjoe
You said?
Your word is God now as well?
Your opinion is just that, your opinion.

20 Dec 2024 05:11:08
Game, set and match.

Pinball…you’re so far off, and for some reason you get condescending. No one with your knowledge of hockey should ever be condescending.

PS. Would ANYONE who upvoted Pinball on this post confirm their upvote by posting a reply to this? It’s pretty obvious that Pinball upvotes the heck out of his own posts, so if anyone actually did upvote him, please reply. ?.

20 Dec 2024 13:12:34
Easy Pinball, I was joking about game, set and match.

20 Dec 2024 16:19:49
The beautiful thing about opinions pinball, is that they mean absolutely nothing in reality.

You don't have to convince us Kampf is worth as much as Hathaway, we already know he isn't. Kampf is in 9 out of every 10 trade proposals you come up with.

If Kampf and Hathaway are even in every category, why does Hathaway have 17 more career NHL points, and a career +/ - differential of +31? Shouldn't they be identical?

The only way you're getting rid of Kampf without adding a draft pick as compensation is by waiving him.

He has a $1.35 million signing bonus for the next 2 years, which is laughable since that's the salary he should be paid not the bonus he deserves. But the Leafs reward even their 4th liners with signing bonuses so that's why you have the ghost of David Kampf making $2.4 million.

He also has a 10 team no trade list that you rarely seem to respect. You treat Kampf like he's a castaway, he's always your scapegoat to get a better player and yet you argue that Kampf is the better player in every trade you come up with. So why is he being shopped then?

20 Dec 2024 16:30:36
You are without a doubt the most stubborn Leafs fan I've ever heard of. Your OCD compulsion to post a different trade every single day is ridiculous.

Your evaluation of Leafs players and prospects is delusional. You argue that the players you're trading are worth more than the player you're trading for, yet you continue to try and make these trades involving them.

Robertson/ Kampf/ Jarnkrok/ Hildeby/ Dewar are your go to scapegoats. The only reason you can come up with to trade them is that you think there's a shinier player available on another team that is down on its luck and is likely willing to trade their players to Toronto for next to nothing.

You have absolutely no loyalty to any roster player that makes less than $3 million. You have absolutely no respect for any other team that isn't Toronto, you demonstrate that in every trade by having a narrow minded view on what every other NHL teams needs/ wants are.

In your backwards mind, every other team is either rebuilding or thinking about rebuilding so they're obviously only in the league to exist for trade pieces for the Leafs.

The only thing about you that makes you even remotely a Leafs fan is that you believe your opinion means something and everyone else's opinion means nothing. There are dozens of other Leafs fans on this site that have greater respect for teams and players and I know they don't claim you as one of their own.

It's so ridiculously disrespectful to compulsively trade the same rotation of 4th liners and injured players and argue that they're worth more combined than anything another team has to offer.

20 Dec 2024 16:57:31
DrwDave
Your opinion and leave it there, it's ok if Kampf stays Berube loves the way he plays anyways.
Yet he is useless in your eyes.

20 Dec 2024 17:48:41
How much of a spineless jellyfish do you have to be to argue this much about why Kampf is worth more than Hathaway, and then just walk it back with "it's okay if Kampf stays"?

You've been trying to come up with ways to trade Kampf for months going back to last season. To call yourself a Maple Leafs fan is so insulting and disrespectful to every Leafs fan on this site.

You have no respect for any roster players that makes less than Jake McCabe. You try and trade them every single day, while simultaneously telling us they're worth MORE than what you're asking for. You think that makes you credible?

Yesterday you tried the same Hathaway trade but for Dewar. After everyone schooled you on the lack of value going to Philadelphia, you just said "k forget about Dewar, what about Kampf for Hathaway? "

Zero respect for these players. Zero loyalty to your favorite team. Zero respect for other people here who disagree with you.

I've seen Marcus and Islandjet show blind loyalty to Winnipeg for years on this site, but the difference between them and you is that unlike you, Marcus respects the players on Winnipeg so much that he will argue why a trade doesn't make sense from the Jets perspective.

You just throw all the 4th liners on Toronto away on a daily basis and argue why a trade makes sense from the other teams perspective. As if you'd know anything about the Flyers, Red Wings, or any other team you want to take a player from.

You're an embarrassing excuse for a hockey fan. You won't agree, but that's my opinion.







 

 

 
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