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20 Jul 2018 20:40:10
Winnipeg: Trouba
Edmonton: Draisaitl

Leafs17

1.) 20 Jul 2018 21:04:08
I doubt Edmonton would do it and the Jets can't afford Draisaitl's contract. But value wise as long as Draisaitl can actually start carrying a line as a 2C, it is pretty good. 2C for a top pairing RHD.


2.) 20 Jul 2018 21:46:52
Memarcuswindowlicker approves.


3.) 20 Jul 2018 22:03:27
Oh boy. much rather Draisatl to Trouba.


4.) 20 Jul 2018 22:09:44
Lmao no from oilers come on joe.


5.) 20 Jul 2018 22:12:59
Edmonton needs Drat way more than they need Trouba. Also value wise it isn’t there. Imo. Especially Trouba thinking he’s a top 10 dman in the league. Not a chance.


6.) 20 Jul 2018 23:02:47
Sorry guys, I was just trying to make a point of how ridiculous all the Trouba trades were getting. I really didn’t think biasjoe would think this is fair.


7.) 20 Jul 2018 23:29:18
@McJesus,
I prefer you keep Draisaitl as well. The longer the Oilers have that much tied up in bad contracts up front and keep rolling out an ECHL quality defense, the longer they stay anchored to dead last in the West.


8.) 20 Jul 2018 23:47:12
Ya crap, back to back 70 point - 22 year old, big solid strong centers are so terrible to have. Sucks.


9.) 21 Jul 2018 03:18:53
Have fun resigning your core Marcus, especially when Trouba who ain't even the number one dman on your team wants 7 million and has temper tantrums because he's playing behind Buff.


10.) 21 Jul 2018 06:20:45
HAhahaha wtf sick chirp.


11.) 21 Jul 2018 09:12:37
ECHL quality defence? Larsson is just as good as Trouba. Klefbom and nurse are just as good as and if not better then Myers. Not do mention they grabbed Bouchard who has top 2 potential and have Bear in the pipe line. I’m pretty sure Klefbom would score 3 goals per period in the ECHL.


12.) 21 Jul 2018 11:26:53
Wow vbb. 👏👏👏. Salute - No sarcasm there.


13.) 21 Jul 2018 17:26:46
Vbb you just mentioned how to defence on Edmonton who are as good as Myers. The jets bottom pairing defence.


14.) 21 Jul 2018 17:31:42
This trade would only happen if the Oilers retained $2 mil per year of Draisaitls contract.


15.) 21 Jul 2018 19:44:36
@IJ your so biased, its not even funny, lol.

Your idea of a realistic trade is probably Nico Hischier for Trouba. Lol.


16.) 21 Jul 2018 23:25:54
Myers/ Moreissy is their 3rd best dman.


17.) 22 Jul 2018 00:09:06
Not even close vb. Myers is fourth at most probably fifth when kulikov is actually health. Myers has issues in his end.


18.) 22 Jul 2018 06:17:31
Haha alpaca. 2 weeks ago jets fans were saying Myers would be top pair on half the teams in the league. Now vbb names guys better and just to discredit that you say Myers is terrible lol. New level of little man syndrome. Most clueless fans.


19.) 22 Jul 2018 15:14:43
You'll notice none of those were me.


20.) 22 Jul 2018 15:59:08
You’re saying Kulikov is better than Myers lol and that no oilers Dman is as good as either of them. That makes you, islandjet and MarcusJoe all one. If you did a one to one comparison of why you would rather Myers over klefbom, I can respect that. Just coming out and saying no one on Edmonton is as good as Kulikov who was being scratched in buffalo after being traded from Florida for very little is clearly just trash. Klefbom and Larson are clearly better than Kulikov. And better than Myers.


21.) 23 Jul 2018 06:32:50
Never commented on edmontons defence. I simply pointed out that he compared them to Myers. Your reading an awful lot into my comments. And yes a healthy kulikov is as good or better than Myers.


 

 

20 Jul 2018 20:39:28
Winnipeg: Trouba
Toronto: Matthews

Leafs17

1.) 20 Jul 2018 21:06:06
Yes, let's see you talk Leaf fans into this. A generational player, 10 or 20 times better than McDavid for a crappy D man?


2.) 20 Jul 2018 21:38:19
ok this is obviously a bad trade but . Mathews 20x better than Mcdavid? that's a joke, Mcdavid is the best hockey player in the world . Mathews is Maybe Top 10.


3.) 20 Jul 2018 21:38:59
How about what a jets fan thinks biasjoe? Is Matthews good enough to carry a 2nd line? Is that enough to offer for a top 10 d man in the league?


4.) 20 Jul 2018 22:04:55
Who said Trouba was crappy and who said Matthews is so much better than McDavid? Marcus get your head checked please.


5.) 20 Jul 2018 22:41:38
No from jets Trouba is a god. He deserves 10 million because he’s a true #1rhd. It’s McDavid or bust- Jets fans.


6.) 20 Jul 2018 23:32:16
I for one have never heard anyone say that Trouba was crappy and I don’t even think that vbb’s would say Matthews is better than McDavid. Biasjoe has had a rough couple days to say the least.


7.) 21 Jul 2018 03:19:51
Trouba>EKs wheels + Kanes hands + Charas height + McDavids hockey IQ.


8.) 21 Jul 2018 05:55:17
I don't understand why everyone overvalues leafs players? I obviously don’t think he’s as good as McDavid he’s on the Eichel level imo. Maybe abit better ( 40 goals vs what ever Eichel got but yah ) .


9.) 21 Jul 2018 18:04:37
I never thought I would agree with vbbbvvbb. Matthews has shown in the playoffs that he is not a generational talent but a good player.


 

 

20 Jul 2018 20:38:56
Winnipeg: Trouba
Ottawa: Karlsson

Leafs17

1.) 20 Jul 2018 20:58:24
Ottawa adds. Karlsson is inconsistent and injury prone, whereas trouba is a star in the making, leading the jets to the conference finals.


2.) 20 Jul 2018 21:08:30
Nope. Jets can't afford to pay Karlsson what he wants with the players they have coming up for renewal.

Plus, as Montreal taught us, you don't trade a really good young defenseman for a really good old one.


3.) 20 Jul 2018 22:45:17
Crazyattack- I agree. Soccer has Renoldo, Basketball had Jordan, Baseball had Babe Ruth and the NHL has Trouba.


4.) 20 Jul 2018 23:08:29
Vbb that might be your best response ever lol.


5.) 21 Jul 2018 04:05:24
@vbbbvvbb finally the first time I agree with you, except its spelled Ronaldo


6.) 21 Jul 2018 05:56:18
Sorry man I don’t follow anysport besides hockey lol.


7.) 21 Jul 2018 16:15:55
And marcusjoe, you could also say that trade would never happen because Karlsson would never move to Winnipeg. Like Trouba has tried to leave and will again, his rights are owned there and didn’t want to be there. Why would a guy who could go to 31 cities be there. Couldn’t convince Paul Statsny to leave $750k on the table to live there for a chance to win, not getting a Karlsson anyway.


8.) 21 Jul 2018 17:34:41
No chance as the Jets won't be able to sign Karlsson for what he wants, unless the Jets trade him for what they would want.


9.) 21 Jul 2018 17:50:35
This is laughable easy Ottawa says no and walking away.


 

 

27 Apr 2018 11:45:09
My 2018/19 leaf line up. Keep in mind I am not a GM, nor have I been interviewed for the position, yet! I don't think my signings will go through because I seem to be the only one that cares about toughness. Anyways, Bozak is a must to resign. He's a great 3rd line center that kills penalties, wins face offs and is great in the shoot out. I'd love to see Komarov back as 4th line center. He takes face offs short handed and I believe he's played center in Finland and TO. I'm sure Plekanec will go back to Montreal. I don't see there being enough money to go around for JVR considering they still have to sign Nylander, then Matthews and Marner the following year. I say just small changes this year in hopes of taking a run at Doughty when the time comes.

Re sign - Nylander $6 for 6, Bozak $3 for 3, Komarov $2 for 2, Polak $1 for 1 and Carrick $1 for 1

Sign - Maroon $3 for 3, Prout $1 for 1

Walk - JVR, Plekanec, Moore

Just a guess on money and term

Matthews, Nylander, Hyman
Kadri, Marner, Marleau
Bozak, Kapanen, Maroon
Komarov, Brown, Johnsson
X - Martin, Leivo, Aaltonen(4th center?)

Zaitsev, Reilly
Hainsey, Gardiner
Prout, Dermott
X - Polak, Carrick

I just think Hainsey needs to be with Gardiner. The defense is still weak but the team would be a little tougher to play against. Maybe Liljegren is ready for 19/20 and they could have a legitimate top 4, hoping they land Doughty of course.

Leafs17

1.) 27 Apr 2018 12:45:00
Okay so heres what I think:
1. Resigning Komarov would be a big mistake, esp to that contract
2. Neither Bozak nor Maroon will come that cheap plus Maroon already pretty much said he wants back to the Oilers
3. As you basically said, Leafs still lack a top end D, they won't go anywhere without one, imo.


2.) 27 Apr 2018 14:03:43
I could see bozak coming back at a contract kind of like that but maybe a bit higher. He’s 4.2 mill now, and got that contract while playing top line for 4-5 years with kessel. He’s now very aware he’s behind Matthews and Kadri. I would think 3x3.5 or maybe even ideally for me would be like 2x3.75 or 2x4. It’s a discount for sure but it’s the only place he’s played and where he started his family. got to play those cards.

The fact komarov didn’t play the 4 games of the playoffs when he was healthy for 3 tells me that babcocks opinion of him has changed. Midway through this season I thought he was most likely to return, not any more.


3.) 27 Apr 2018 14:20:10
I'm guessing Maroon signs in Edm, NJ or STL.
I think Leafs main focus should be to find a top 4 D.


4.) 27 Apr 2018 17:39:43
Nylander 6x6 will not happen he’s easily going to demand more money as well.


5.) 27 Apr 2018 20:29:43
I know Maroon liked his time in Edmonton but this is a business. Do they bring back another big, physical winger or go with players that can skate? Komarov coming back is a long shot, especially because he is not a natural center which they lack. I just like him and was hoping to see him back. Still might need a 4th line center. McJ I don’t know what it will take to sign Nylander. Pastrnak is $6.6 and he is better than Nylander.


6.) 27 Apr 2018 21:48:11
Nylander can demand more money all he wants; he's not going to get it.

Pasta is a good comparable for him (same draft year) and he's way better and only makes 6.6.


7.) 27 Apr 2018 23:01:24
Might be a bit more than 6x6 but his playoff didn’t help his case. Pasternak and ehlers are both similar player types from the same draft and both have had slightly more success. They’re both on long term deals around 6.5 mill. I think that’s where it will be. Even outside those very similar comparisons there's Gaudreau, Monahan, Mackinnon, scheifele etc who were all really good players coming off entry levels in the last 2-3 offseasons and all got between 6 and 6.75 million. Draisaitl is the exception getting 8.5 and I don’t think that’s the new norm, that’s the one GMs will look at and realize it hurts their situation.


8.) 27 Apr 2018 23:36:59
Ya my only argument to Nylander getting more money is comparing himself to Drat who got 8.5 like you said, and his argument could be that he’s the next best player on Toronto and he could try to get 7 Mil+.


9.) 27 Apr 2018 23:45:54
unsportmanlike Nylander is getting at the very least 7 million for 8 years. he's a star in the making who has 2 60 points season before turning 22. Plus the fact he plays center is valuable. Toronto is going to have to pay him what he's worth. he's on of the stars in this team and knows it. If Mattews gets around 9-10 million he is going to want at least 70% of that. And max year 100%.


10.) 28 Apr 2018 01:34:43
@triplets You’re right they won’t be going anywhere next year with minimal changes. However, they were a period away from beating one of the top teams in the league. I just think the leafs should be patient for one more year and make a serious push for Doughty. Gardiner’s contract will be up, maybe they let him walk and Dermott slides into the top 4. I really don’t know if they can afford Doughty after signing Matthews and Marner. If they could fit him in without trading a young stud, they will be contenders.


11.) 28 Apr 2018 02:52:36
Colt, Matthews isn’t signing for 9 lol and marner has shown who the second best player is. Arguably it’s Matthews, marner, Rielly, Nylander.


12.) 28 Apr 2018 03:14:05
I love Nylander but if Nylander asks for 7 mil trade him for defensive help. He should not be making more then Pasta.


13.) 28 Apr 2018 03:20:30
Oh yeah Colt? Is he a gold medal winner like Muzzin?


14.) 28 Apr 2018 12:05:10
Fair point McJ regarding Drai. I would point out however (contrary to Colt’s post that was bereft of facts as usual) that Drai plays a lot at centre and has been effective (Nylander has merely had a few brief stints there and has not been able to hack it; he’s going to get paid for what he has done up till now and that is as a winger) .

Secondly, the Leafs have Lou Lam who is not an easy negotiator (ffs he won’t even let the kids have facial hair in the regular season) . I don’t think Nylander gets anything close to Drai money.


15.) 29 Apr 2018 15:04:20
* I meant the fact he can also play center is valuable.


 

 

21 Feb 2018 08:50:03
Just a thought. Would Draisaitl for Faulk & Rask/Lindholm be fair? Gives Carolina a #1 center and Edmonton the RD they need, plus a #3 center. I already know what FT4A will say, just wondering what normal Oiler fans would think.

Leafs17

1.) 21 Feb 2018 11:29:15
Looking at it again, maybe Draisaitl for Faulk, Lindholm plus? I don’t think Edmonton should trade Draisaitl at all but Carolina has some good assets to at least get Edmonton thinking.


2.) 21 Feb 2018 13:29:32
I think it would have to be lindholm Faulk and a pick for Draisatl.


3.) 21 Feb 2018 13:37:32
I be always been a fan OF Elias Lindholm and belief he still has the potential to become just as good or maybe better then Drai so big no from Canes. I think Drai' s stats are saturated and that If he played in Carolina he would be a 60 point player tops. Still good but Drai is like a Monahan you know? Do u trade Faulk and Linholm for Monahan? Nooo.


4.) 21 Feb 2018 15:12:27
It’s going to have to way more than that lol and no sorry Lindholm will never be just as good or better than Drat yikes man. And that comparison is whack lol.


5.) 21 Feb 2018 15:57:29
Oilers add, maybe Nurse, Yamamoto and 2018 1st.


6.) 21 Feb 2018 18:39:05
Leafs17

Austin Matthews for the crew you named instead seems more reasonable.


7.) 21 Feb 2018 20:03:23
Sorry oil fans. Trying to make your team better but that’s a monumental task. That is yet again a very original reply yup. FT4A, there is no crew in this league that could fetch an Oiler player is there? I guess you guys stick with 3 good centers and nothing else. Good luck with the tank job chirp.


8.) 21 Feb 2018 21:34:41
McJ and Ebs, please disregard any negative comments I make towards the oilers. I do like Edmonton and you guys seem ok. I really don’t think the Oilers should trade Draisaitl but they should be listening to every offer. Is there a package from Carolina you would accept?


9.) 21 Feb 2018 22:31:14
It’s not too bad I just think a lesser trade based around Nuge would be more realistic. I think Faulk and Nuge have closer values than Faulk and Draisaitl.


10.) 22 Feb 2018 00:17:58
Thanks Ebs. I think Faulk and Hopkins could be a one for one similar to Johansen and Jones. Maybe a small add somewhere. I do believe that Draisaitl has what it takes to bring in a top defenseman, top 6 forward and possibly more. You’re right about a Hopkins deal being more realistic but it doesn’t solve the winger issue. However, trading Draisaitl would hurt too much I’m guessing. I wouldn’t want to see him go if he was on my team.


 

 

 

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16 Sep 2018 03:45:57
Does getting Karlsson make Braun expendable? He's not a #1 RD but he's just as good if not better than any of the leafs right side. The leafs could get him without giving away too much I would think.

Leafs17

1.) 16 Sep 2018 15:54:00
Braun is probably expendable but not a player San Jose is shopping.


2.) 16 Sep 2018 23:02:43
He probably just plays on the 3rd pair for this year no biggie.


3.) 17 Sep 2018 15:43:33
You’re right habby, I just thought their winger depth could use some help by trading Braun. Maybe Brown or Kapanen might be something they’d be interested in. I’m assuming they’re going to try and resign Karlsson as well and SJ could fill the 3rd pairing d with a much cheaper option.


4.) 17 Sep 2018 20:47:57
I’ll reiterate what I said for the three unintelligent enough to comprehend what I said. Justin Braun is not being shopped around on the trade market but for the right price he’s available.


5.) 17 Sep 2018 23:10:31
What? There is only two of us talking, you must be including yourself. Nobody said Braun was being shopped, most players we put in proposals are not being shopped. You are the last one on this site to talk about intelligence. I guarantee you used a dictionary because those are some pretty big words for you. Also, how the f*ck do you know who’s available and who’s not?


6.) 18 Sep 2018 03:14:53
Lol I think he was referring to the 3 disagree on his post.


7.) 18 Sep 2018 03:45:05
We should really try to be more civil on here. Anyway my 2 cents is he’s no more available than he was before the Karlsson trade. They’d have to make their team this year better they are going for it. Also until Karlsson signs an extension they have to treat him as a rental, if they trade Braun and Karlsson walks, they get real weak on the right side real fast. San Jose is definitely going all in this year, so having a solid D play 3rd pair is valuable, and I don’t think they plan to kick off a rebuild and start tanking next year so he’s insurance they know can step into that top 4 role if they can’t get a deal done with Karlsson. If Karlsson extends i feel it gets more likely.


8.) 18 Sep 2018 05:11:37
I’m confused too lol.


9.) 18 Sep 2018 05:54:08
You have proposed trades for “Paryanko and Stephen Jones. ” Are they being shopped or is anyone available for the right price? You’ve used words like “critera, tital, and let’s not forget imput. ” Sounding out words should not be used after kindergarten. You think steroids should be legal in the nhl because it would be “funner” to watch. The next time you have “INPUT” on a conversation, please realize that you show your lack of intelligence on a daily basis.


10.) 18 Sep 2018 06:39:41
Good point jbs about Karlsson possibly being a rental.


11.) 18 Sep 2018 22:35:42
VB just got ripped a new lolol.


12.) 19 Sep 2018 03:15:06
Ripped a new one by a fellow fan too. Wow. Leafs17 has impressed me for the first time ever I think.


13.) 19 Sep 2018 07:16:02
Everyone is entitled to an opinion if you don’t agree with my opinion, okay but that dosent make you right. I don’t think I’ve made a proposal that was unrealistic/ unfair value wise on this site. You’re “inferior” mind just can’t comprehend the posts I make leading you to direct a hate post on me in order to deflect the topic away from something you don’t fully understand and in this case it’s Braun’s availability, which if you don’t agree with my above statements you have no idea what you’re talking about. So in that case you’re welcome for teaching you about Braun’s availability have a nice day :)


14.) 19 Sep 2018 08:53:20
I know that “dosent” make me right. Some of us with inferior intelligence than the beautiful mind of vbb’s like to post ideas without being ridiculed. You try and have a good day too kid. Don’t forget your lunch for school.


 

 

17 Aug 2018 02:31:49
Hey madeindade, why doesn't the leafs just get Ekblad since Tavares was a dumb signing? Just sign him to a contract without losing anyone. Good deal? I don't care to argue about it though.

Leafs17

1.) 17 Aug 2018 05:07:42
*Should the leafs just get Ekblad? I apologize for the terrible grammar McJ.


 

 

10 Aug 2018 01:10:20
Just a question because I don't see him play enough to judge. Is Seabrook not still a very good defenseman? I know his contract is huge and I don't know if Chicago would be in a position to retain say $2 million. I was thinking he would be a good fit in Toronto with Stanley cup experience as well.

Obviously not at $6.8 but under $5 maybe? Carrick could go the other way which would free up salary for Chicago and he is an RFA at seasons end. Maybe other pieces would have to be involved. This might not be a good idea but I don't see the leafs getting Parayko orTrouba without giving up too much.

The leafs could probably let Gardiner walk next season and fit Seabrook in. Chicago IMO would be open to try and unload his contract while getting younger but retaining $2 million for 6 years may be a deal breaker. I'm just trying to think of other options on defense for Toronto. Franson? I read an article that he is looking for a home, not one year deals.

I know he has said in the past that he loved his time in Toronto. $3 million for 3 years? I'm sure you guys will let me know how bad these ideas are.

Leafs17

1.) 10 Aug 2018 02:25:29
I think seabrook would be a decent fit short term. He's still a capable 2nd pair dman. It's. The 6 years which would be scary for the leafs. but I'd be totally against Franson at that price cause he should be much cheaper then that. Maybe 1 year 1.5 or 2 year 1.4 per year would do it then he probably be worth taking another chance on.


2.) 10 Aug 2018 02:32:58
Seabrook very good? No he’s a 4th dman he still has the hands but his feet are gone. He’s probably as good as Tyler Myers now.


3.) 10 Aug 2018 04:18:06
I only said 3 years habby because he’s looking for a longer contract than one year. I’ve always liked him even though he’s not the shutdown man the leafs need. Vbb’s I remember you bashing Seabrook many times. They just gave him that contract a couple years ago. Did he fall apart?


4.) 10 Aug 2018 04:19:52
I’d be happy with Myers as well. Is Seabrook at $5 million still that bad?


5.) 10 Aug 2018 08:51:04
He's barely a top 4 guy anymore, prolly not for much longer.


6.) 10 Aug 2018 11:19:48
Thanks for the info guys. I thought he was still a top pairing d man with an outrageous contract.


7.) 10 Aug 2018 13:00:55
Seabrook had a down year but so did everyone on the hawks I think he still has a couple good years left in him. Probably not 6 good ones though. I don't see how Franson can honestly expect a 3 year deal considering he spent most of last year in the minors. He played well there though and if he would accept a 0ne year deal for cheap he might be worth taking a chance on again.


8.) 10 Aug 2018 13:33:33
You could probably get Franson for 1 year at $1M. Or even a PTO first.
I don't think it's smart st all for any team to retain that much money for that long like your suggesting the Hawks do. Especially for only Carrick coming back.


9.) 10 Aug 2018 15:16:02
For less than $5 mill I would like seabrook for 3 years maybe. He’s not a top pair guy anymore for sure, but if he was, $6.8 mill wouldn’t be outrageous money, right? It’s just seeing the decrease in him from age 31-33, really makes me worry what we would be getting from 33-36, let alone 37-38.

Unfortunately it’s like Weber. He’s the perfect Dman for Toronto. Absolute beast RHD that would take so much pressure off Rielly, plays all situations, but again it’s those last few years on the deal that make it an easy no for me. Those guys were both warriors for a long time and were always in the playoffs and representing Canada, so a ton of extra really hard miles on their bodies. This when we will see their game slow down and injuries pile up.


10.) 10 Aug 2018 15:29:05
Yah by year for of that contract you'd be paying 6 million for a 6th dman Chicago definitely regrets that contract he’s one of the most washed up players in the game.


11.) 10 Aug 2018 16:11:30
Big difference with weber though jim. If he's beat up by the time his last 2 or 3 years of his deal rolls around then he will just retire. Why force it for 1 mil per year at that point. The other difference is weber is still a top pair dman and until I see any difference in him I don't believe the decline rumor. Plus this is the first battle with injuries he's ever had. Just montreal luck it happened with them. in his 26 games with montreal on one leg last year he was still as good as he ever was.


12.) 10 Aug 2018 17:33:08
Oh yeah, I’m not saying Weber isn’t a top pair. I fully believe he is. I meant the last 3-4 years of both those deals, which is seabrook till 37 or whatever and Weber till 41. They’re not at the same point of decline right now at all, but by the same point in that contract I would assume he will be.

And seabrooks contract is front loaded too. Not quite like Weber’s obviously because it’s half as long. But he’s only owed $8 over the last 3 years. Plus if Weber retires early he really screws Nashville badly on cap recapture. But that’s not Montreal’s problem lol.


13.) 10 Aug 2018 19:53:37
I think it could benefit montreal if he decides to retire in the last couple years maybe Nashville will pay a hefty price to get his rights so they could avoid that cap recapture.


14.) 10 Aug 2018 20:06:01
Yeah. I remember we talked about that before. He would have to be on board with it, but saves preds $24+mill in cap space. That’s got to be worth a prospect and a afford pick or two if it gets to that point. Funny to think about, but the prospect it could cost the preds by that time might be playong peweee hockey right now lol.


15.) 10 Aug 2018 20:12:19
Yes but I got a feeling when the next CBA is discussed this could be one of the things they change so nothing might not ever come out of it lol.


16.) 10 Aug 2018 22:27:39
Ya yupp I said other pieces may have to be involved. I was kind of thinking Carrick and a 1st. I also thought the 6 years of retaining $2 million would be a deal breaker. I had no idea though that his decline was so bad.


17.) 11 Aug 2018 08:39:02
Even contracts aside, I'd rather have Franson than Seabrook for next year, tbh.


18.) 11 Aug 2018 20:00:06
I know Franson can be unreliable defensively as well but the guy hits the net 9 times out of 10 when he shoots from the point. I’d rather him over Carrick in a heart beat.


 

 

06 Jul 2018 20:28:17
Can anyone tell me what they know of Jordan Subban? Is he going to be a lifetime AHLer? I'm guessing there will be a few clowns saying he's a future Norris trophy winner. Those comments are always appreciated too. Thanks.

Leafs17

1.) 06 Jul 2018 22:52:00
He's a future Norris trophy winner.


2.) 06 Jul 2018 23:00:11
He once looked like he might be capable of being a 3rd pair dman with powerplay ability. He took a big step backwards last year and if steps back anymore he may become a career echler. good skater with a decent shot. up until last year at least.


3.) 07 Jul 2018 02:14:31
Thanks habby and I hope so yupp.


4.) 07 Jul 2018 05:28:04
Habby is not correct.
Jordan Subban is a real offensive talent. The thing is, he is only 5'9 and 170lbs.

He projects to be a great AHL defenceman, but not a regular NHLer. Most likely will become somebody like Adam Clendening or Ryan Murphy. But probably a little worse.

He didn't take a step back, he was just dumped in the depth chart of the Ontario Reign (LA's Farm Team)

Coming from an Oilers fan.


5.) 07 Jul 2018 05:33:39
Very nice shot that’s about it.


6.) 07 Jul 2018 08:10:33
Thanks.


7.) 07 Jul 2018 13:29:34
It was his 3rd year in the ahl and his worse one yet not a good sign. plus if he was so great don't you think he would have been higher on the depth chart?


8.) 07 Jul 2018 17:21:25
And if he had that kind of upside, a rebuilding team like Vancouver who isn’t in a rush, would have held on to him. If a team at the bottom trying to accumulate young assets gave him up for nothing, it says something. Never say never, could find his game, but a very long shot.


9.) 07 Jul 2018 22:25:34
@Unbiased Jim

Because Vancouver wanted Nic Dowd instead. And he's an NHL regular 3rd/ 4th liner. Great on the PK too.

@Habby

They got him to help their AHL team in the playoffs. Their AHL team needed a better PP. Even though they had Sean Walker, Alex Lintuniemi, Paul Ladue and Kevin Gravel as their top defencemen in the AHL.


10.) 08 Jul 2018 04:57:20
But yet they didn't play him in the playoffs.


11.) 08 Jul 2018 08:07:01
@2707 Canucks weren’t going to the playoffs clearly, nick Dowd was a useless add for them and Ontario Reign made Jordan Subban a healthy scratch in every important game down the stretch including the whole first round of playoffs. Why say things when either you have no clue, or are completely lying?!


12.) 08 Jul 2018 08:14:38
Canucks REALLY wanted nick Dowd. That’s why 40 games later he’s a Washington capital lol it was a nothing trade.


13.) 08 Jul 2018 11:51:33
I'm just saying that Vancouver was desperate for a power play quarter back defensemen last year and the year before and they never once thought calling up Jordan Subban was a good idea, also worth noting Travis green the current HC of the canucks coached him for 2 years in Utica didn’t ask to call him up so that says a lot.


 

 

03 Jul 2018 19:57:05
Matt Martin "in demand". Imagine if a leaf fan posted something like this on here, they'd be crucified. I understand that it has to do with Toronto paying his bonus which makes his contract look better. If they can get somebody to take him that would be great. I still think there is a need for players like him but obviously Babcock does not. I was very surprised, and disappointed that Martin was not put in the lineup against the Bruins at some point.

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1.) 03 Jul 2018 20:24:26
Martin for an AHL tendy confirmed.

Good trade imo for Toronto. 0 retention for a team that could use the extra cap space. Isles tho.

Ladd, Boychuk, Komarov, Cizikas, Clutterbuck, Leddy and now Martin all have term. Eerk.


2.) 03 Jul 2018 20:41:59
Nice trade for the leafs to get rid of his cap hit but I wouldn't exactly call it in demand with what they got back lol. Must have been dreger started that rumor.


3.) 03 Jul 2018 20:44:46
So who’s stepping in to protect Tavares when Lou sends Martin after him? I’m a believer in balance of speed and grit. I’d like to see them bring in a couple guys who can play the game but will protect their teammates if need be. Maroon, Bieksa?


4.) 03 Jul 2018 21:09:26
Tavares didn't ever really need anyone protecting him I wouldn't worry about that if I were you. Plus tavares and martin were always good friends so I doubt martin would intentionally hurt him even in some bizarro world where lou would tell him to.


5.) 03 Jul 2018 21:17:32
It wasn’t just Tavares I’m worried about habby. There’s just nobody to step in, especially in the playoffs when the going gets tough.


6.) 03 Jul 2018 21:29:35
Lou goes to Long Island first he let's the leafs nab tavares then he helps them out by taking a plug like martins contract off the books for them. you sure he still not working for you guys? Lol. Lots of time to add an enforcer if they need one which I'm thinking they won't.


7.) 03 Jul 2018 23:09:09
Don’t forget he ‘stole’ Leo Komarov from us for 4 years and 12mill lol

Okay Lou, you got us back, let’s call a truce and leave Matthews, marner and Nylander alone now! Haha.


8.) 04 Jul 2018 16:56:00
But some fans had Martin going for an actually return of more value. Look at what he was actually worth.

By the way, it's actually one of the best trades I remember Toronto making in recent history. To dump that contract and not have to bring another one in is so good for you guys. Guys an overpaid plug. Islanders seem to have a fit and familiarity for him.


9.) 04 Jul 2018 19:01:38
@yupp. I don’t remember anyone on here ever predicting a good return for Martin lol. Everything I saw was either a 7th rounder, or conditional pick or us giving a 7th.

And getting rid of a 2.5mill cap hit for 2 years is a good move. But leafs best trade? Not getting a 26 year old top 10 goalie for a 30th overall pick? Or getting out of 5 years of phaneufs $7mill without retaining a penny and actually ending up with a 2nd rounder and prospect (then flipped him forCalvin Pickard)? Or getting David Clarksons 5x5.25 off the cap without giving a single asset or retaining a penny? This Martin deal is small beans compared to those lol.


10.) 04 Jul 2018 19:09:34
The phaneuf one would be about the equivalent of oilers getting out of these 5 years of lucic without retaining and ending up with a first rounder. Tell me you wouldn’t call that a great trade lol.


 

 

 

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If Heed is really bad it is fair.

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25 Sep 2018 18:34:29
Jim nailed it. I love Simmonds and I think the leafs need some physicality in the lineup, but not for a 22 year old stud.

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21 Sep 2018 22:59:31
Simmonds will get a 1st at the deadline and possibly more if the flyers are out of contention.

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21 Sep 2018 22:56:54
Everyone should know pinball’s trades are usually ridiculous. That’s funny you say that unsportsmanlike, I was starting to think islandjet and memarcusjoe were the same people. They always reply on the same thread and there can’t be 3 jets fans. I think the black alpaca is a jets fan also.

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21 Sep 2018 04:17:08
I like it as a leaf fan. Manson would be in my top 5 choices for the leafs to target. Silfverberg is a solid 2 way forward as well which Nylander is not.

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I think that was a terrible deal by the lightning. Gudas, a 1st & 3rd for a 30 year old average d man. They could have had Polak for Gudas alone. Polak was the 1st name that I could think of, but there had to have been better options for cheaper. Personally, I hope the leafs keep Polak.

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Thanks

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@steamer do you understand that it doesn't go against Toronto's cap? Big difference. The owners are paying, they owe us one. They'll probably raise ticket prices to get their money back.

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That's Toronto for you. I think they should have waited too

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Not really

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