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10 Jan 2019 04:26:59
Just a couple ideas to try and help both teams.

Toronto trades Brown to Edmonton for Kassian and a 2nd? They have similar cap hits, I added the pick from Edmonton because Brown is better and younger.
Toronto gets tougher, Edmonton gets a little deeper.


Toronto trades Kapanen to Edmonton for Kassian and Bear? Toronto gets tougher and another RD in their system. Edmonton gets a top 6 forward that could be real good with McDavid. I'm thinking Edmonton might have to add to this but I know Oiler fans really like Bear.

Are either of these fair value? I'd rather a Nylander/Nurse swap but I don't think that would ever happen.


1.) 10 Jan 2019 05:32:11
I personally wouldn’t include a 2nd to get brown, it would be a 3-4th round because like you said Toronto needs some grit and I don’t see brown worth that much.

2.) 10 Jan 2019 05:32:33
And Kassian and bear for Kapanen go right ahead.

3.) 10 Jan 2019 11:36:32
I wouldn't do the Kapanen deal to be honest. Kassian honestly has very low value, wouldn't trade away a guy on pace for 20/ 50 for him and Bear, even if Bear is highly regarded, aince he hasn't played much in the NHL. First trade i'm on board with, although, i don't think wed get a second.

4.) 10 Jan 2019 16:38:12
Thanks guys. I really don’t want to lose Kapanen and I don’t know a lot about Bear. I would like Kassian on Toronto though.

5.) 10 Jan 2019 20:52:55
Bear is former whl dman of the year and is a pp qb with an absolute cannon, shorter dman but with experience may be a competent offensive 3rd pairing dman.

6.) 11 Jan 2019 00:06:03
Thanks notdelusional. The leafs seem to like the little guys.

7.) 11 Jan 2019 04:27:48
Kapanen is a top six player. Looks like a perennial 20+ goal scorer. He is worth more than a depth forward and depth prospect. Kassian for Brown makes more sense.



30 Dec 2018 00:29:13
Seguin for Kotkaniemi, Alzner and a 1st?
I might be way off here but Montreal should go after Seguin while Weber & Price are still in their prime.
Montreal gets a #1 center and gives them a real good 1/2 down the middle. They also dump Alzner's contract.
Dallas gets a solid young center, 7 years younger than Seguin. They will also save $ once Seguin's new contract kicks in next year.


1.) 30 Dec 2018 01:22:15
No. not going to trade KK. I understand your logic behind the deal, the more I see of KK, the more I like.

2.) 30 Dec 2018 02:23:10
Price has been playing like trash if anything Dallas should go after Weber imo they have a better team just need better secondary scoring. They’re a good team that can’t put it together much like Saint Louis And Florida.

3.) 07 Jan 2019 16:43:49
No to Seguin. Should have stayed in Boston with Thorton.

4.) 07 Jan 2019 16:45:38
Why in would Habs want to deal with Dallas. They are going nowhere still dreaming of the Hull days twenty years later.



18 Nov 2018 23:50:42
Nylander for Bennett, Stone & 1st?
Calgary adds a top 6 forward and I don't think they have a need for Stone or his contract. Toronto gets some much needed grit who is also the same age as Nylander, a decent RD and a mid to late 1st probably. Calgary definitely gets the best player in the deal and rid themselves of Stone's contract but I think it also helps the leafs salary wise. Stone could be ok for a couple years until Liljegren or Sandin are ready. I know there are a lot of different views about Bennett on this site but I like the way he plays and I think he still has more potential.

Leafs also pick up Luke Schenn just because I love the guy and I don't want to see Marincin ever again.




09 Nov 2018 23:20:14
I might be way off here but Minnesota is looking for scoring and Pittsburgh is looking to change things up.
Spurgeon, Fehr & a 1st for Kessel
Spurgeon, Eriksson for Kessel

Spurgeon improves Pittsburgh's defense, Fehr adds some center depth and has already played there, plus a 1st. In the second proposal, I really don't know much about Eriksson but he's young and from what I've heard from you guys, he's supposed to be good. The cap in both deals are similar. Although Kessel only plays at one end of the rink, he is at the top of the league in scoring year after year. You have to give to get.


1.) 10 Nov 2018 04:50:20
Erikson El might become a bust at this point.



23 Oct 2018 10:13:03
Babcock has said he'd like a couple bigger bodies up front. Mantha is off to a slow start and Ithere's rumors of a possible change of scenery.

Kapanen plus 2019 1st for Mantha?

Kapanen 1st round 22nd OA 22 years old
Mantha 1sr round 20th OA 24 years old
Kapanen has the speed and although a small sample size, the talent to play in the top 6. He is also 2 years younger. Mantha is a proven scorer but doesn't put up big point totals. He has size but apparently lacks intensity sometimes. I added the 1st because Mantha is more proven. Is it fair value wise?

Or ignore all of this and sign Nash when he's ready.


1.) 23 Oct 2018 13:18:32
Is there really that much a difference between the two players, a 1st round pick difference? With all the Leaf fan praise for Kapanen I'm a little surprised to see you would add a 1st to him for Mantha.

2.) 23 Oct 2018 14:13:26
I don’t think there’s a huge difference in skills, mantra has had more time to prove himself than kappy. He’s not 6’5 like mantra but he can fly and works his ass off. The last thing Babcock wants is a guy who lacks intensity.

3.) 23 Oct 2018 15:30:19
I’ve always been a fan of Kapanen, this is the first we’ve seen him play in the top 6. It may not be the best idea to trade him but a power forward is much needed IMO. Babcock demands intensity and I think playing on a team that is supposed to be contending would help Mantha with that. Maybe the 1st is not needed but Mantha has proven himself more, mostly because of age and Kapanen not cracking the top 6 until now. I’d rather trade Nylander + for Mantha and one of Detroit’s young RD prospects but I don’t know enough about them to make such a proposal.

4.) 24 Oct 2018 22:08:38
I don’t think the difference is a 1st round pick. I also know that Babcock hates lack of intensity. I think he would rather Kapanens speed and look elsewhere for size. Mantha was a beast of a goal scorer in junior, bit till he shows a bit more in the NhL, I don’t think the return is a younger good player and a 1st.




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13 Dec 2018 10:04:01
I really think Toronto should try and get Maroon now. There will be a few teams looking for a power forward come deadline day. I'd prefer Simmonds but I think philly will be asking for too much.
It's a start for a St.Louis shake up, maybe a young kid can step up in his place.
For Toronto, they obviously need some grit. If given a chance to play in the top 6, Maroon could get back on track. Maybe he resigns? I think Maroon will fetch a 1st from a contender, maybe not.


Gives Toronto many combinations. With Marner being such a good play maker, I put him with Maroon and sent Hyman back to his line from last year with Matthews and Nylander. Just my thoughts.


1.) 13 Dec 2018 11:55:52
I wouldn't give up a 1st for maroon.

2.) 13 Dec 2018 12:38:59
He has a NTC on this one year deal because he wanted to play in home town STL where his girl and kid live. He's super close to his 13/ 14 year old son Anthony and they are best of buds. He loves being close to home.
With that said, you would just have to hope he would want to leave that for Toronto. Not saying he wouldn't.
I don't think he having any of a noticeably good year to fetch a 1st tho. STL would gladly take one for him if you're offering tho! 1G 7A in 23GP.

3.) 13 Dec 2018 13:11:34
Yeah, he took less money to get the NTC so he could be a hometown Blue. It’s possoble it hasn’t been what he thought it was going to be with all the losing and negativity and would welcome a move out, but I wouldn’t pay that 1st for him. I’d rather add a prospect to that 1st for Simmonds or spend the 1st on a rental D who would have a bigger impact for us.

4.) 13 Dec 2018 13:20:17
I like that you guys don’t think it would take a 1st, Pinball said the same the other day. I know it’s his home town and he’s having an off year, but the forward group in Toronto is much more talented. I know what you mean yupp about his kids but tell me one nhl player that is not super close with their kids and would love to be close to home. I’m sure he was hoping for a more successful season for himself and the team, maybe he’d waive for a few months to see what happens in Toronto. I’d do a 2nd in a heart beat to have a physical presence and a guy that we’ve seen bury some goals.

5.) 13 Dec 2018 15:12:07
Actually he has a no trade clause till December then he can name right teams to go to. I am sure he would like to go to contender. He won't be back in stl. Just hasn't worked out.

6.) 13 Dec 2018 20:56:03
He has a NTC till January 31st. So feb 1st he submits a list of 8 teams he won’t go to, not 8 he will go to. So they have 22 options to trade him to.



27 Nov 2018 23:29:05
@thermo. Is that c sucking American prick really coming back to the lineup or is he still out for a few more months? You told us you knew someone that said Matthews will be out 4-5 months, not weeks.


1.) 28 Nov 2018 03:41:45
It was obvious he was full of it at the time lol.

2.) 28 Nov 2018 04:06:56
Not sure who this Thermo is. but I also heard Yankee Doodle going to ride on his pony pretty damn soon.

3.) 28 Nov 2018 04:11:44
However, if I was his coach, GM or whatever, I'd be pissed . I'd tell him, shut up. , your no Dr, they clear ya. not you. if he doesn't play next game, will become a controversy that he doesn't trust the medical staff ect.

4.) 28 Nov 2018 09:37:29
Wtf Sosa? Not everything is a conspiracy.

5.) 28 Nov 2018 13:07:40
@Leafs17. Yes it is, JFK shooting, World Trade Center was an inside job and Auston Matthews. 3 biggest conspiracies in history.

6.) 28 Nov 2018 13:09:13
Didnt say it was a conspiracy. its jus players shouldn't announce they are fit for duty. the team Dr does that. Mathews acting high and mighty. putting himself before the team. Even made Babcock look stupid., he didn't know. kid needs to keep his mouth shut. they should trade him, to his hometown team and let him rot down there.

7.) 28 Nov 2018 13:38:17
There’s no conspiracy or controversy. They wanted him in one full contact practice before he plays, that was yesterday. If he doesn’t play tonight, no problem we will see him Saturday. If he does, great lol and the envy and need to have him out of your division makes it all sweeter.

8.) 28 Nov 2018 13:52:46
Also if you have listened to his coach at all talk about injured players, he’s the guy that says “should be fine to play, don’t know what the Dr is saying but looks good enough to me” lol so I don’t expect that guy to give Matthews a hard time for saying “I’ll be back tomorrow”.

9.) 28 Nov 2018 16:23:22
Babcock just said he’s cleared and playing tonight, you can quit worrying for us Sosa, we appreciate your concern lol.

10.) 28 Nov 2018 18:01:52
Your welcome Jim. congrats on getting Yankee Doodle back.

11.) 28 Nov 2018 20:56:12
Are you going back to work soon Sosa?

12.) 28 Nov 2018 21:31:46
Lol. December 19th. haha.

13.) 28 Nov 2018 21:58:31
Mall Santa?!

14.) 28 Nov 2018 23:48:51
Hm. not a bad idea Jim. unfortunately lol town I work in. no mall. And to damn cold to be outside. lol.

15.) 29 Nov 2018 02:45:50
And . Jim your wife could sit on my lap lol.

16.) 29 Nov 2018 04:29:59
Actually not married, but I assume you saw Matthews stat line tonight, so I understand your bitterness 😉.

17.) 29 Nov 2018 05:51:24
In his defence jim he posted that before the game. You must have a girlfriend or have just got out of a long term relationship cause you don't develop the arguing skills you have by being single lol.

18.) 29 Nov 2018 13:01:12
I don’t argue with my girlfriend. She knows she’d lose. I Was just born stubborn.

19.) 30 Nov 2018 09:02:01
Good for u Sosa on your recovery. Hopefully it keeps progressing.
Just by curiosity what do u do for work.

20.) 01 Dec 2018 17:33:40
Heavy Equipment Operator.



22 Nov 2018 13:48:19
Does anyone think that Bennett has found his game and may turn out to be the player he was expected or no? I don't see him play a lot but I was impressed the game against the oilers and it sounds like he had another good game last night. I'd be interested in his style for the leafs. Maybe it's time to trade him while he's hot and get maximum return or keep him and hope he's found his game?


1.) 22 Nov 2018 14:20:00
Elliott Friedman and Brian Burke talked about him last night on the flames broadcast and obviously Burke would know him really well. They both said that he has felt so much pressure to produce offense because of where he was drafted, but that’s the teams problem, not his. If he just does what he’s doing, play physical, shut down players, aggitate then he will be a really useful player for a long time. And if the offense comes with it eventually, great.

Similar to Kadri. We expected him to be our 1st line centre with his skill set and 7th overall pick. But he’s perfectly slotted the last cpl years. There’s lots of guys that are 1st rounders that have to adjust their game to make it work. Bobby Clarke was pissed that the kings took ‘his guy’ Trevor Lewis in the draft before him and he had to settle for Claude Giroux lol and Trevor Lewis is not what you would be hoping he was when you used a 1st rounder on him but he was a huge part of a very successful team for a 5 year span.

You can either spend your whole career in the dog house trying to be something you’re not, or accept a role and grind out a good career.

2.) 22 Nov 2018 14:35:16
Also if you could get him in a way that doesn’t use Nylander.

Marleau - Matthews - kapanen
Hyman - Tavares- Marner
Bennett - Kadri - Nylander
Leivo - Lindholm - Ennis

Him and Kadri on a line would have guys coughing up pucks to Nylander I’m pretty sure.

3.) 22 Nov 2018 21:33:45
Thanks Jim. I was thinking Nylander would have to be in a deal to entice Calgary to make a move.

4.) 22 Nov 2018 22:13:32
Yeah, we don’t have much else that would interest them. We can’t sfford to lose D, and they’re wouldn't want prospects after signing Neal, ryan etc they are expecting to win.

5.) 23 Nov 2018 00:57:02
I'm kind of upset Benett is doing so well . I was hoping Habs woulda been able to get him cheap lol. I do like his game, and I totally agree with what Jim said.
I think he's a "Glue Guy". every championship team has those guys. and everyone needs them to be successful . what makes Bennett very valuable in that role, is he still has offensive upside, and even now, is more skillful than most o those guys. and for a kid who couldn't do a chin up. pretty tough customer. good for him for finding his niche in the game.



06 Nov 2018 11:21:01
Just when you thought the drama in Ottawa was over. They should just fold the organization and start fresh somewhere new. No offence to Sens fans but this past 6 months has been a disgrace. It looks like some good young talent coming up too but even Chabot was involved this time. I know it may not seem like a big deal in comparison to other things going on, but this doesn't sit well with management. How long before the assistant coach steps down or is replaced? Any comments Rambo?


1.) 06 Nov 2018 17:33:18
This is an overblown story. It’s not flattering on the players, but it’s not a big deal. The problem is just the timing and the situation. If it was any other team, it’s nothing. But because it’s like the 5th or 6th embarrassing leak out of the Sens in a year, and they traded away good players in an attempt to get back on track it seems far worse. Add in that 2 of the players in the car were Duchene and Chabot., One guy that they were hoping to convince to stick around and one guy they’re hoping to be a face of the team going forward and it’s not good lol.

2.) 06 Nov 2018 17:57:34
Is Rambone an uber driver in Phoenix?

That just sucks that happened to Sens players with the way that organization has gone the last few months. I bet players talk like that all over the league. That über driver is a major dick for that breach of privacy. I feel for the guys on this one. We all know how much a joke the Sens organization has been. This is a tough one. Cherry on top.

3.) 06 Nov 2018 19:41:36
IMO it’s a fairly big deal Jim. 100% every other team does this. But it’s going to separate the room. I’m sure they lost a lot of respect from the coaches and some players. Kinda sounds like the coaches aren’t very good and they should change things up though. Lol.

4.) 06 Nov 2018 20:51:38
I don’t mean it’s not a big deal within the room and with the coaches. It’s going to be awkward to work through. But media wise, if it was another team (not habs or leafs because media jumps on someone who farts in these markets) it would be a quick story and blow over in a day or so. But because of the recent history in Ottawa, it’s gping to be read into far more than elsewhere. It’s going to have people figure out which guys in that car were the ones that spoke out during the Karlsson-hoffman stuff, what side were guys on, who has said that they’ve moved on and everything is going well and then be caught mocking coaches and admitting they don’t care. If all the other crap hadn’t happened, it wouldn’t be as bad is all I’m saying.

5.) 06 Nov 2018 21:20:32
Yeah it would be a big deal no matter what organization it was.

6.) 06 Nov 2018 22:07:25
Yes jim, it's magnified because of the issues ottawa have had lately. And it's really not a big deal for what the players were saying cause players talk about coaches and vice versa all the time. But getting caught is what makes it bad.



31 Oct 2018 22:27:34
There's been talk of the NYR clearing out all UFA's for the rebuild. I'd like to see the leafs get McQuaid on the back end. He's a guy that plays nasty as the games get bigger. Leafs could probably get him for next to nothing and we won't have to watch Marincin try and play hockey anymore.


1.) 01 Nov 2018 01:41:18
How did NYR get him again? He was from Boston, wasn't he? I was surprised when Boston let him go because that type a d man is great for a playoff battle.
Would be a great fit for Toronto and a playoff battle. Add some grit some of you on here want.
Good post. Good idea.

2.) 01 Nov 2018 01:51:18
I think that would be a decent guy for the Leafs. His foot speed isn't there, but he does have a toughness to his game that I think could benefit the Leafs.

3.) 01 Nov 2018 02:16:16
You could probably get McQuaid for just a pick too. 3rd or 4th? Probably 4th? Not familiar with his whole skill set but know he's a big stay at home defender. Third pairing?

I've read Kevin Hayes name a lot lately. But he carries a $5.18M hit. I think he would be a good fit maybe Winnipeg on the third line as a playoff rental. NYR would have to retain tho.

Zuccarello would be a good pick up for any team. At $4.5M if they retain he could bring them back something decent maybe. Might be a good fit for Edm come deadline if they are in a good spot, which very well could be looking at the pacific right now. Might fit nicely on Drais wing.

I've also read that Winnipeg will more than likely hang on to UFA to be Myers for an "all in" playoff push. The article noted that they may not be able to resign him as they have a lot of talent that will be getting paid this off season and might not be able to fit Myers and he may be odd man out unfortunately.

4.) 01 Nov 2018 02:35:51
I would say the leafs are going to go after Hayes, and what I’m about to say next is dead serious ok, this is not a joke.
I’m friends with someone who knows the leafs photographer. He said that the leafs are downplaying Matthews’s injury. You ready for this leafs Fans?

Mathews is actually going to be out for 4 to 5 MONTHS, not weeks.

I am dead serious about this, you can down play it, or you can just laugh at this post and shake your head, I would probably do the same. But I’m not lying, it’s bad, and the leafs need to lock up Nylander now, which is probably why they are downplaying it (my guess) . Or at least they need another center because we can’t have Lindholm as the third line center, we will barely make the playoffs that way

Again I’m being dead serious, go ahead and judge me but I’m telling the truth, if it’s not then you can rip on me all I want.

5.) 01 Nov 2018 03:10:09
Depends on what Myers wants for money if he takes third pair money then I don't see him leaving.

Also depends on what is happening with Trouba.

6.) 01 Nov 2018 04:26:55
I hope you’re wrong thermo. Either way they still have a Tavares/ Kadri top 2 and all kinds of money for this year. I wouldn’t let it change Nylander negotiations what so ever. A trade for a top 4 dman should still be a possibility. Obviously without Matthews and Nylander it won’t be easy but every team goes through sh*t like this.
Yupp McQuaid was traded for Kampfer and late pick I think. It would be real nice getting a dman like him if they make the playoffs. Could play Boston again and having him against his former team would be nice. I also mentioned Zuccarello in the summer for Edmonton because of his speed to play with MCDavid.

7.) 01 Nov 2018 04:34:09
Does anyone wonder if this injury is as serious as mentioned above. does that maybe change the negotiations with the upcoming Mathews contract.

8.) 01 Nov 2018 12:34:58
I think with him having that injury in the past, and now being out long term because of it, Matthews is going to probably sign either a bridge deal, or a long term deal that is under $12 mill.

9.) 01 Nov 2018 12:35:10
Zucc is now on the wrong side of 30, I would welcome him as a rental, to play with Drai and not offer him a contract after. I think he'll be 32 start of next season so this off season he will be looking for that last decent contract like 4/ 5 years $5M or something and someone else can lay that. I really wanted Grabner for McDavid and Nuge but Rattie had such a great seasons end with that line so they knew they were keeping that together to start the year. Drai is the one who needs a winger. Nuge and McDavid can have anyone.
Namestnikov is another Ranger I wouldn't mind at all.
Kreider as well.

10.) 01 Nov 2018 15:45:55
Always been a fan of McQuaid. I would like this move as long as that isn’t ‘the solution’. To get him as a 6th man with some grit, love it. Still need to get someone to play top 4.

11.) 01 Nov 2018 15:48:56
@themostleaf I wouldn't be shocked if this is true. if surgery is required on the shoulder most times that takes 5 to 6 months to recover from. it was a real hard smack so anything is possible. It would be a shame for him to miss that much time though especially after the start he had.

12.) 01 Nov 2018 16:05:54
A guy I work with said he wouldn't be surprised if it was a few months. He's has shoulder problems from hockey hits and 2 procedures done and was 5/ 6 months to rehab the one time. That's if it's as bad an injury as that. Wait and see I guess.

13.) 01 Nov 2018 16:10:04
McQuaid is definitely not the solution Jim. McQuaid at a small price along with maybe Pesce like some Nylander rumors are suggesting would be a nice start.

14.) 01 Nov 2018 16:57:45
I've had shoulder issues since I was playing football, and I was little skeptical when I heard 4 weeks. Shoulders are brutal to heal. took me about 6 months. and to this day, still have issues 20 years later. can't shoulder press free weights. sometimes it jus gives out., like almost slips? Anyway. I'm sure he will have way better care and rehab ect than I did. just hope for the kids sake it heals fully. and I can go back to not liking him haha.

15.) 01 Nov 2018 21:18:02
Manson would still be my 1st choice. He’s a stay at home dman that can put up points and will fight anyone. I don’t know that Anaheim would be willing to part with him but they are 24th in the league in goals for. With Perry out long term and on the decline, a deal starting with Nylander and Manson sounds great for both sides IMO.

16.) 01 Nov 2018 23:54:13
Especially after he wanted to play out thebyear for his contract. And with the start he had, was on track for a massive pay day. I don’t think this injury all of the sudden gets him less but missing 15, 20, 25 games could really stop him from getting more.




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20 Jan 2019 01:46:29
I’d love Manson but I actually agree with islandjet this time. Kapanen or Nylander would have to be in there and I’m not sure what Anaheim’s cap looks like.




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16 Jan 2019 20:25:56
Carolina will get more for Ferland. That’s too much for Simmonds, they can’t afford to resign him. I’d rather wait and see how Liljegren develops.




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16 Jan 2019 14:44:42
If we can agree on a 3rd Sosa, I’ll call Dubas right now.




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16 Jan 2019 04:15:34
I proposed that last week Sosa but added a 2nd to the leafs because Brown is younger and more productive than Kassian. Some thought maybe a 3/ 4 pick was more appropriate.




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15 Jan 2019 20:55:35
I think it’s bacicslly just calling out your character colt. Whether past or present, your views of blues players are absurd. Therefore, you have no room to say it’s “because leaf fans think all their prospects are the best”. You fo the same.





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I think that was a terrible deal by the lightning. Gudas, a 1st & 3rd for a 30 year old average d man. They could have had Polak for Gudas alone. Polak was the 1st name that I could think of, but there had to have been better options for cheaper. Personally, I hope the leafs keep Polak.




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@steamer do you understand that it doesn't go against Toronto's cap? Big difference. The owners are paying, they owe us one. They'll probably raise ticket prices to get their money back.




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That's Toronto for you. I think they should have waited too




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Not really